Gerald's Progress - Opposing Viewpoints?

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It seems that Doc expects alot more from Gerald green from the article which is suprising. It looks like Doc really has high hopes for the Kid and doesn’t want him to settle for just being good, he wants him to be great. This is a big burden for me and we’ll see if Gerald can handle it.

I meant big Burden for such a young kid

Also I think Rivers doesn’t want this kid to become complacent with his effort. Push the kid to become the best and if this is the way Rivers chooses to do it, so be it. No one said Doc was a great coach.

I’ll take Geralds lost in transistion as opposed to Wally getting beat every time.

The only reason I have been watching the games lately is to follow Gerald. What Doc is saying is simply not true. The kid is playing defense as well or as poorly as anyone on the team. They dont run any plays for him offensively so its hard for him to stand out. He had some good moves to the basket vs Seattle.Doc is playing Wally who plays much worse defense and because of his injuries cant elevate more than 6 inches from the floor. If properly coached Gerald will be some terrific player. More than ever Doc has to be fired sooner than later.He is a “confidence” destroyer with young players. Happy New Year

Wow. Doc just blows my mind.

I didn’t see the official /- statistics, but in Seattle it seemed as though when Doc favorites like West, Wally, and Gomes were in, we were getting crushed. With Gerald and Rondo in, we had some good runs - even though Gerald missed a bunch of wide open 3’s that he usually buries.

Ainge is again talking mostly about being happy with his progress and with him doing things in accordance with his timeline for him. In that sense he’s absolutely right that Gerald is ahead of the schedule that the org thought he would be at.

Doc’s talking about the reality of what he’s doing. Doc can’t be the big picture, long term planning guy that most of us would like him to be…coaches just aren’t wired that way. Doc’s looking at the reality of hte situation which is that the team’s losing. If the team keeps losing sooner or later Doc gets canned, but they don’t end up keeping the players around and just change the coach. Doc knows this.

There’s not a coach around whose lost this many games in a row that is going to say positive things about many players on his team. It’s the nature of the beast. Also, there has to be some account taken in for the fact that Doc’s answering a question. You’re never sure what that question is, nor are you really ever aware of what the context for the question is. Nor do you know if there’s 5 more minutes of soundbites talking about the same player and this is the one the writer went with.

This seems to be the first open disagreement between Doc and Danny…Danny was at the game last night and Gerald got more positive PT coincidentally. For the small minority of us Doc haters this has to be another silver lining… :’(

good cop bad cop. Someone has to get thru to him. Might as well confuse him. Maybe that will work. yeah right.

I would take 30 years off the end of my life to be a 6’8" 20 year old boston celtic with the ability to jump out of the building and a stroke to die for. I feel the same way Ben Affleck felt towards Matt Damon’s character at the end of Good Will Hunting when Will was squandering his abilities. Doc is sitting on a gold mine, but is too dumb to see it.

I said the same thing you did, Jeff, when someone used those quotes to try to prove Doc’s incompetence. Danny is looking at the long term progress of Gerald because he’s the GM, while Doc, the coach, sees the intricacies of Gerald’s game that need to be fixed because Doc’s goal as coach is to be win in the present. It’s just two different angles of view. People are really making to much out of this.

well we don’t know the context but I prefer to hear Da say what he said and Doc is an a$$wipe. Recall that Al only felt DA was on his side, and now this. Danny HAS to become coach of this team.

Its true that we are way worse with Doc favs in just like last year. he is a very very bad coach. All we hav to do right now is play GG, Al, RR, TA and when he returs, PP, all the minutes we can

It points to the inherant conflict for the direction of the franchise. Ainge is looking long term. He probably is willing to flush this season and gladly take his top 4 pick next June. He is willing to wait on Gerald and Al and possibly Tony. It’s why he’ll make a trade only if it’s bringing in someone with “upside” as opposed to bringing in a ready veteran that could help win a few more games right now (i.e. better defense, shot selection, etc.). Doc only works in the here and now so he has to relate to ongoing deficiencies on a game to game basis. The only way these two trains meet is if Ainge is offered a trade for a proven mega-talent in which he would deem it ok to move his young talent for. Then Doc might have someone who could fix some of the current team shortcomings on the court.

Doc is “Right On” to raise the bar high for Gerald Green. after all Doc knows the Kid better than anyone else including Danny Angie. It does not say much to comare Gerald Defense to wally or any other celtic Gerald is playing better defense than he did last year and at the beginning of this season. What should and can be done by Gerald with good instruction; teaching and coaching should always be infront of him as well as praises for improvments. Prodding Gerald the way doc has been doing seems to be working. He is a much better player than he was in all phases of the game. His shot selection ceratinly has improved along with his production. He is getting the ball into the post more consistently and passing better in the scheme of the offense. Gerald, also, is certainly more aware of his rebounding responsibilites and his numbers in that regard is climbing. Doc and Danny in my mind are on the same page but see things from their respective roles and responsibilities to Gerald and the Team They don’t necessarly need to say the same thing about a player or situations. Why should they in the first place?

It should be noted that the comments made by Doc and Danny came prior to the game, but anyone who stayed up for that game last night must have a pretty good idea of what Green and Rondo can do and should be doing with some regularity. Instead we are left with comments from the coach about how little Green and Rondo know and how they aren’t as good as they think they are…

A 6 game winning streak is one thing… not using that opportunity to give your young players playing time is pig headed.

Danny = thinking and talking strategically
Doc = talking tactically

My main problem here, is that I’m one of the guys that thinks Doc’s short term tactics are attrocious and don’t further the team. Many others feel the same way about Danny. But the disagreement in and of its self is trivial.

Personally I don’t think public criticism is a good aproach. “I need to do a better job of putting Gerald in a position to succeed.” – would be the kind of thing I want to hear.

Doc makes me sick. He’s constantly riding Gerald during the game “don’t take that shot”, “No no, don’t hesitate”. Doc doesn’t run plays for Gerald and seems to miss that he excels in the “chaos game” (that’s how I think he’s similar to T-Mac), hence he plays well with Rondo, etc. Anyone who can shoot the 3PT at 48% and can drive well is a valuable asset. His defense is 3x that of Wally’s now… where is Doc to support him?

Doc’s disparity in belief and confidence between young and veteran on the team is a slap in the face to the young guys who work hard and don’t get adequate playing time (or follow up playing time after they do well).

Well I missed last night’s game, but I hope to see Rondo on the court tonight!

Danny = thinking and talking strategically
Doc = talking tactically

Bingo Brendan

We’re just making alot about nothing. Re: TomHamilton30 comment.
I don’t see Doc riding GG. He’s explaining something to him in a casual tone. That’s the way I see it and I think that’s what teaching is about.
Immediate feedback on a recent play. I imagine Doc is pretty fed up with how the team is playing and yet he is still teaching and doing his job.

Doc wants GG to play better. But his method of achieving that goal
is flawed. You just let GG play without worrying that he will be
jerked in and out of the game when he makes the inevitable youthful
mistakes. And criticizing players in the media will not result in anything positive for the team.

I just love the Doc apologists trying to defend a guy who has no problem bashing Gerald, a guy who is one of the few bright spots of this season. Doc doesn’t call plays for Gerald, he doesn’t want us to run (which would GREATLY aid gerald’s effectiveness), he runs down Gerald’s defense while Wally staggers around the court, he seems to actively look to destroy the kid’s confidence – yet somehow Doc, a miserable TACTICIAN, is worth defending. I’m sure these are the very same people who thought that it “wasn’t Grady’s fault” when he threw away the 2003 ALCS.

Doc might just be an idiot. I am shocked that the players seem to respect him. Doc is holding this team back with his coaching deceisions.

Gerald has potential but potential doesn’t always get the desired results and Gerald at times just plays some amature like its disheartening and sometimes shocking to see how bad he plays. We can talk about his upside all day long but we happen to see flopside much too often. In my opinion he could and should be doing a lot more offensively and defensively. There are few people who can really contest his shot if he would just drive and shoot over them, but the acts as though he’s scared to dribble, he looks as though he’s thinking too much about driving, shooting, passing ect.Defensively i do see more progress than i do on offense, he’s getting better and will get better.
Quite frankly most good players show more courage than Gerald at his age, he plays like he’s intimdated by Doc or the opposing players. Gerald is playing like he’s trying not to make any mistakes instead of just playing and enjoying the game.
Gerald isn’t playing with passion he’s playing with too much restrictive fear.
Someone needs to coach some courage into him because I do believe he has more talent than he knows what to do with.

As much as I can’t stand Doc, I think he’s doing the right thing with Gerald. Gerald is getting lost on D a little. If you hand the kid too much just because he’s a better athlete than the other guys, you risk ruining him. Doc did a good job making Al earn his playing time, did the same with Tony Allen, and if he gets Gerald giving full effort every time, he’ll have succeeded. I think Gerald’s stroke is going to make him a dynamic scorer in this league; he just needs to round out his game a little, find ways to participate in other areas.

If I’m the coach, I tell Green I don’t want to see a 3 point shot until after he has taken the ball into the paint at least 4X. He has a decent “stroke” and is relying too much on that. He needs plays for him to run off a screen and there needs to be some assistant coach that can teach him and light a “fire” under him for defense the way Clifford Ray has helped develop Big Al’s game. Last but not least, I give him 15 to 20 min. every night even when Pierce comes back. Gerald has a much better game if he starts going to the rim. He needs to bulk up in the off season like M. Jordan did to handle the contact inside. Time for Gerald to start becoming a man.

Jeff, You had it right when you suggested, difference being Coach and G.M…From Doc’s viewpoint, it’s, Hey!, my job is on the line…I need you now, kid!!!
I listen to Heinsohn on this…The kid will get there…He loves to play ball…and, to me, that’s the important thing…I thing maybe I’ll isolate on him during the next game to watch offense/defense…

This again is all so frustrating to read because it comes down to Ainge deciding if they should fully rebuild or compete. If we want to let Gerald develop and play, then Ainge (finally) needs to go all the way and trade Pierce and Wally.