Tony Allen Update

This season is so over…

It shouldn’t have anybody…not Scal…not anyone….Get well Tony!

We are in

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stillaceltsfan said: _
  “Why couldn’t it have been Scal instead of Tony!?!?!?”
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What you said really sucks.

the positives:

GG gets more playing time
powe gets more playing time
rondo might get more playing time

another positive:

draft pick in the 3-6 range.

what about are already piss poor record combined with the fact that all of our players are injured suggest a pick as low as 3-6? I wouldnt be surprised if we dont win again for 2 months. By then we will be in all out tank mode. We are lookin at Oden or Durant.

OK here we are:

Telfair, Rondo
Dwest, GG, (Ray)
Gomes, GG
Big Al, Powe
Perk, Kandi,

240 minutes divided by 10 = 24 minutes apiece; kandi don’t need that much and Ray don’t deserve that much…but DOC, please, please, please…PLAY THE YOUTH/ DEVELOP THE YOUTH!!!

I guess Dickerson was right…Tony’s knew is torn up!! That is such a big blow to us fans…just imagine how bad it is for him! Do we only have nine players for tomorrow night? I can’t wait to see more Rondo and Powe. (And GG…OF COURSE)

3-6? Did we lose the fricken lottery already? Damn you David Stern!

Can we apply for a roster injury exemption, just so we can bring in another warm body for practice if nothing else? Does anyone know the rules on this?

tony allen will never be the same, there is a chain reaction of bad things happening wow, i cant stand this, next year!

It’s pretty unbelievable as to how this house of cards has blown of the table. I hate to see this happen to anyone. Get well soon, TA.

Two months zago the majority of guys here were willing to trade Allen for a bag of peanuts, but now people are saying that his injury is a blow from which the team will never recover?

Grow up. Allen will recover from this and be ready for training camp next year.

It sucks for everyone hurt, and it sucks for trying to see what sort of team the C’s could turn out to be. But, let’s hope and pray that Doc finally sees the light and gets Powe some serious playing time. Maybe he’s this years’ Ryan Gomes.

Whatever team is the “survivor” winning the pathetic Atlantic will be the “biggest loser”. That team will only be an “apprentice” for the likes of Detroit, Cleveland, Orlando, etc. They will be out of the playoffs in what will seem like “60 minutes”, and I don’t need “20-20” vision or a “dateline” to know that.

With Allen going down I don’t see us making the playoffs at all. This is the perfect time to replace the coach and get a Scott Skiles type of coach in here to get us fundamentally ready for 07-08. So, trade Wally or if you can’t have Donald Trump buy out his contract and Rosie O’Donnel can do the same for Doc’s contract. Let the youth movement and the new coach era begin in earnest.

You know who I don’t like? Atlanta. Every year they pretty much get a top 3 pick, and every year they suck A$$. Not saying we’re a whole lot better, but we’ve had major injuries and still have a better record than them. I’m sick of them being allowed in the league, they have no devoted fan base, no definitive ownership, no real future… They should be removed from the draft.

In other news, yeah the Tony news sucks. Can anyone with medical experience please elaborate on the tear and what it means?

TA will be back, but it is a shame. I think why people gravitated toward him (and Ricky for that matter) has to do with body language and energy. They’re ‘up’ guys.

I hope Gomes shifts to the 3 and we get to see more Leon.

Wyc Grousbeck was the guest on Chad Ford’s Daily Dish if anyone’s interested.

Cos, thanks for the update on Wyc talk, but I am “tuning off” Doc, Danny and Wyc until changes are made. It doesn’t matter what they “say” it is what’s getting “done”.

I watched the whole Portland game and Danny sat in for a very long spell with the announcers. To hear him talk about Doc, you would have thought we had UCLA’s John Wooden reincarnated into Doc Rivers. A good coach would have this team more “fundamentally sound” than it is on both ends of the court. You cannot use “overachieving Celtic team” and “Doc Rivers” in the same sentence. Danny did the same type of thing, any good play seemed to be for Doc’s credit, any poor play he was blaming the individual player. Sorry Danny but it can’t be the players’ fault all the time.

We are 12-22 my friends. You take away the 6 wins against the other bottom feeders in the NBA and our record stands at 6-22. There are many good fundamental basketball coaches out there. I have no idea for example who Jerry Sloan’s assistant is in Utah, but I would probably hire a guy like that on the spot the way Sloan and he"overachieve" year in and year out.

It unfortanately is going to take the Celtic faithful to hit management in the wallet or they will not make this coaching change.

Celtic management from the top down to Danny sing high praises of Doc and claim Doc is staying the whole year. I have my faults with Danny too on the Minny trade and this past draft. I will not become a hapless Chicago Cub type fan and just enjoy the confines of Boston Garden (Wrigly Field). Celtic fans deserve a better product than what Wyc, Danny and Doc have provided. Keeping Doc will just further delay the development of our youngsters. If they don’t can Doc by the All Star break, it is going to be another mistake by this club, just like this past draft, just like the Minny trade.

“Grow up. Allen will recover from this and be ready for training camp next year” – Brickowski

I hope that is true, but I’m not sure that it is. I am the furthest thing from an expert on this, but I am pretty sure that ACL tears can be fully recovered from or they can be career altering injuries — perhaps someone can eloaborate on the variables that effect the degree of long-term impact. It would seem to me that Tony’s ‘hops’ are essential for his game (we saw how he played when he seemed not quite there yet). If he can’t come back 100%, TA’s career may have suffered a blow tantamount to a knockout punch. I wish him the best.

On the bright side, I am preparing myself to hop aboard the ‘play the youngs’ bandwagon. I don’t think Doc has much of a choice — I think it couldn’t be clearer that this year is now all about getting game experience for the youth and adding a great pick in the 2007 draft. There is every reason to believe now that we are heading for a top 3 pick.

The one thing I regard as less important than most things I read is how Doc has done a good job “keeping the team morale up” despite our record or “the mood is very good” even if we are losing.

First of all, on every NBA team, there are at least 3 unhappy players thinking they sould be getting more minutes than we they are getting. It isn’t team morale that will make you a winner. As Lakers, Shaq/Kobe hated each other yet they won crowns. Dennis Rodman was not a team first player, yet the Pistons won crowns.

Playing tough man to man/team defense, switching on the picks, designing good X and O plays, making responsible coaching rotations, teaching fundamentals, etc, etc take priority over feel good locker rooms.

Lou Gehrig and Babe Ruth hated each other, yet year after year after year the Yanks won the World Series. Enough brass talk, enough team gets along talk under Doc. Either you “gots it” or you don’t and under Doc this team doesn’t have it to be winners. Why prolong the inevitable end of season firing? Make the coaching change now, especially without Pierce, Allen, Wally, West, Scal, Theo in the line up. We are lottery bound, let’s at least “build” with a responsible coach.

All I know is, Its a sad day for the Celtics. I will stay behind them no matter what though. Until tommorow night

Brick, Im with you in that Tony was to be gone as part of any trade the Celts might make. He only had value as trade fodder. After the injury he is now even called the “emotional leader” of the team. Can you believe that? All this time I thought we had no leader not even PP: Could all this be the result of guilty conciences trying to make up for having considered Tony only trade fodder?

Curious to see any analysis/examples of how athletes recover from ACL surgery. I could use some reall success stories. I heard Powe was mentioned in same breath as Lebron before he tore his ACL. I love him now, but imagine him with Tony Allen type qucikness and hops..

bceltfan – you make many good points. I’ll give you a Tommy point.

I sense a media campaign to pump up Doc is starting, with all of this “good for the team morale” talk.

Next year Doc is a lame duck in his contract. In the final contract year, you either extend a coach or fire the coach. Otherwise the team assumes the coach is on the outs, and you start losing players.

It will be telling what happens shortly after this season. If Doc is not gone quickly, that’s not a good sign.

I think Danny may be stubborn enough to stick with this awful coach, the “I’ll show everyone” type of thinking.

This is very sad about Tonay Allen. I really feel for him. The kid was starting to really come on. He can come back; it will be a tough road but I think he’ll do it.

Success story? Al Harrington tore his ACL playing against the Cs a few years ago, and he was the number one free agent on the market last year. Vince Carter will be the biggest name on the free agent market this year, and same thing. Let’s see – Edgerrin James, Jamal Lewis and Willis McGahee all came back from torn ACL’s. So did Carson Palmer. It sucks for Tony, but with modern technology it’s definitely possible to make a full(or at least 99 percent) recovery.

We’ve gotten the diagnosis on Allen but I haven’t seen or heard a prognosis of his recovery. All the comments here seen to be about the torn ACL but Tony has both a Torn ACL and MCL. That’s one I’ve never heard of before. Does anyone know of any other players that have torn both and how they fared after healing?

i am pretty sure Carson Palmers was both acl and mcl

 We all know Doc is an idiot. I wish DA would take a look and see what we the fans see. Since he has been here we lose close games. That is coaching or lack there of!
 Rondo should start, though he may not have played well in the first half against Detroit. He has more long term potential than Telfair. He is a better defender, and better passer. He has better ball handling skills. He will need time to develop his outside shot, and he finishes better the Telfair. If you notice when he is in the game the Celtics play better ball.
 I watch Telfair he doesn’t pass into the post. When he does he seems more willing to give it to Perk than Al. If Rondo got to play with Al more your talking about some easy hoops because unlike Telfair Rondo pushes the ball up the court Telfair doesn’t. He walks it up to play half court. Green would also benefit with more easy baskets just from running. Doc may see something in practice but we see it in games when it counts. We all know when the injured players come back our young guys will again sit. That is unfortunate as they are the future of this team. Guys like Wally, Scal are not and I wish were gone.