Stat Stuffers (and Another L)

Look on the positive side…ahh – never mind.

The more Ryan Gomes completely sucks, the more minutes he plays. Way to go Doc.

Nice that we’ve moved into a tie with Atlanta in the Gred Oden sweepstakes.

rondo had 9pts 8assts 7 reb 3 steals . . wow . . he is going to be putting up kidd numbers for us, some of those boards were sick

All according to plan. ;)

yep, rondo’s stats looked very very good. unfortunately, like kidd, his shooting was pretty poor. i think the only shots he made were layups, meaning he was 0 for everything else.

i hope rondo develops even a mediocre jump shot soon. if he can, he might be one of the better pgs around in no time at all.

amazing. last year we saw the celtics had no good pg. this year, both telfair and rondo, while they have flaws, look to be very young and good nba pgs.

Rondo’s a more complete player than Bassy. This game was a perfect example – Rondo rebounds, plays D, and creates for others. He’s going to be the answer for us — I just hope someone tells Doc.

Perk and Gomes need to be giving Al a lot more help on the boards. And if not, Doc needs to go with Powe and Kandi. Not that they’re better, but Perk and Gomes need to earn their minutes.

rondo is a keeper, green’s blood is so cold he should be called the iceman.
anyone still questioning al’s toughness or heart? not me.

hold on to these 3 plus del and paul.
everyone else should be available

Too bad GG couldn’t stay out of foul trouble. He was well on his way to a 30 point game.

Good effort from the team and a fun game to watch. Too bad Jefferson had no help rebouding and no team defense. Doc, why not more POWE and less Perk?

As I said in the other thread, the last 18 seconds of the game should probably be investigated by the league for intentional tanking. No coach could actually be that stupid.

Rondo was also 3-11 from the floor…

Red i know youre up there ..

SERENITY NOW !

Downside includes 23 fouls and 20 TOs (Al & Gerlad being prime offenders). Josh Childress pulled down 14 rebounds!. Leon Powe. please? Credit for Doc for having Rondo in at the end of halvers for D-pressure and distribution.

Downside includes 23 fouls and 20 TOS. Gerald annd Al, alas, were prime culprits. Oh yeh, and Josh Childress of all people getting 14 boards.

Downside includes 23 fouls and 20 TOS. Gerald annd Al, alas, were prime culprits. Oh yeh, and Josh Childress of all people getting 14 boards.

I was impressed by Ray — that’s two good games in the last three for him. Moreover, he seems to be really trying to do what the team needs: take it to the hoop for easy baskets and foul shots, rather than relying solely on his jumper. He’s doing a credible “Tony Allen, Lite” impersonation.

Interesting to see Al back playing C at the end of the game. I wish we would stop letting the other team dictate matchups and playing style, and just setup our lineups to play the style of ball we want to play. Um, whatever that style is.

I also wish Powe would see more playing time and that we’d learn to use him effectively. He’s so good for this team because we miss so many shots, and he’s our best offensive rebounder. We need to stop trying to post him up against bigger, faster players with more NBA experience and instead tell him whatever points he gets, he’s going to have to earn for himself through his rebounding.

Rondo had a solid game, but he also missed Green for a uncontested three if he would have given him the ball the first time around. Little mistakes by these young guys are killing us.

hey guys, sorry for the triple post (blame it on useless phone line server)

Glad to see that we’re now tied with Atlanta, and poised to take the lead in a high lottery pick.

I’ve got to agree that outside of Big Al, Green, Rondo, PP, and possibly Delonte/TA, the rest might as well be traded.

I like watching Al play… it’s amazing how well he rebounds. Telfair’s head bob/fake/twitch doesn’t fool anyone on defense, and there is absolutely no reason for him to play over Rondo. As a league pass member I will flat out say that most of the other team’s announcers even like Rondo & Powe better than Telfair & Scalabrine.

are we now officially in tank mode?….i mean this was obviously a winnable game, oh well, it really doesn’t matter now whether we win or not….the development of Al, G$ Powe and RR is more important to me now.

Trade Telfair and wally for any teams second rounder suites me fine for now.

josh childress had KG numbers against us ,that was the game
23 14 2 2 1
also perk only getting 12 minutes didnt help and no shots, two games ago he got 1 shot and made it and didnt event go back to him that whole night
doc has to inclide him

Me, I like what I’m seeing. Our youngs are getting some great experience, it was funny I listened on NBA radio with Alanta announcers and in the begining they were saying how bad the C’s were. Then throughout the game they were like C’s just won’t go away. Buy the 4th they were a bit in awe. Oh and lunchpail, one of the annoucers mentioned his friend (can’t remember name now) who is best friends said that he told him that Ainge just loves Rondo and raves about him. They also credited Doc for keeping these kids playing hard and not giving up. By the end of the game I was thinking we might win, but I felt I really didn’t want to. I love that were keeping close in these games while improving our draft position. Mind you I’m not for tanking, I want the players to win, but if were close and improving our youth, I see it as a win win. Keep the Faith, Restore the Pride.

Whoops I ment annoucer friend was best friends with Ainge.

Um, Childress is likely a year from being a superstar so don’t downplay the 14 boards

And yeah Rondo is the guy now watch him get 12 minutes next game

our record will suck and we will get screwed in the lottery and end up with like the 4th or 5th pick

by the way, Mn is about to beat Detroit in Detroit and go to 20-16

could have been us with any reasonable maneuvering from Danny and coaching from Doc and fewer injuries.

I can’t forgive Doc but cross our fingers and hope DA can finish the team: veteran back up point, drafted future star c/pf combo, dump some of the garbage

4th or 5th pick in this coming draft isn’t so bad. Wahz at one time in this game I thought, imagine if we kept Joe Johnson and Chauncy Billups…so don’t be too quick to cut and run with some of these guys. Just a game or two ago people were ready to throw Allen Ray out with the dish water. A few months ago I remember posters saying Al Jefferson would never amount to much. On Telfair you have to remember he’s what only into his 3rd season out of “high school”. They say a pt. guard out of college takes 3-5 seasons to develop. (think Billups) It’s tougher for these high school kids to develop game and confidence going against the best in the world right off. Right now I’d say both Telfair and Rondo are much better than Marcus Banks, or Orien Green were, or are going to be.

I can only imagine how some of these games recently would have turned out with Pierce in the line-up. When Pierce returns, I’d love to see him and Rondo, Green, Powe and Big Al playing the majority of minutes together. Of course, Doc will find a way to screw it up.

Rondo has a bigger upside than Telfair with his rebounding ability and
quick hands and long arms. He sees the court better and finishes better in traffic. He will be a very good point guard. Especially with a team that runs. With AL in the middle and GG on the wing and Rondo at the point we have some nice pieces in place. They would have won today except for the turnovers, most of which did come in the first half. I wish they would play Powe with AL, that would be 2 good rebounders and we would give up fewer O rebounds to the other team. But another good
showing on the way to Lotteryland.

I was glad to see the Cs pick it up in the 4th quarter. It was getting
painful listening to Cooz trying to be objective without being too negative. I enjoy his insights but some of the dumb stuff he sees must
be tough for him to watch. Especially with his hoops pedigree.

Of course we lost. However a moment after the game I calm down and realize our future looks bright, Thanks to Al, Gerald, Ray and Rondo. It would be nice to win a few here and there, However,I am no Longer fretting over losses. Lokks to me like the core is being defined if not refined.

I’m beginning to wonder if this train wreck of a season isn’t such a bad thing. We’ve got one of the worst records in the league not due to lack of talent but due to injuries and poor coaching. So we give the young kids plenty of playing time, start to separate the wheat from the chaff, and get into the lottery in a strong draft. Then next year we fire Doc, hire a good coach, and hopefully Danny finally pulls off the much-needed trade for a second star to go alongside Pierce. If this happens, I could see us winning the Atlantic in a walk next year.

greg37
i agree with your idea of playing powe and al together,
powe brings the toughness and rebounding that perk is supposed to bring.

I am usually a glass half full guy but reading how happy everyone is with another loss makes me sick.

How many more seasons do we have to look forward to the draft in freaking January before we realize how horrible a job Dan Ainge is doing? If Ainge could pull off a decent trade, we wouldn’t have to keep scouting all these unprooven teen-agers to death. The only thing that a top 3 pick means is another 3-4 years of development and wasting PP’s prime completely.

Re-building doesn’t have to take 5 years, just ask Bryan C. & the Raptors.

Even including the past few games, I still don’t like Allen Ray that much and hope he goes in some sort of trade, etc.

Gerald really needs to learn how to play better defense and make proper pass to the post.

Rondo will be really great, and for those that cite Telfair as just being so young, etc… his biggest problems/obstacles are not stupid little mistakes that a rookie makes.. he’s just woefully inadequate on defense and his offense isn’t that great. That’s nearly impossible to fix in another 2 or 3 years.

This game was lost on purpose by Rivers. That’s the bottom line. At some point even the young players will get sick of the losing and the tanking.

They had the ball with 17 seconds left, down two points. No timeout is called. Then, with three seconds left and the Celtics 4 points down, he calls the timeout. Why, to let the loss sink in? To design a play to lose by only one? Why was Gomes left in the game when he was being posterized by the entire Atlanta front line and couldn’t even box anyone out? This game was lost by design.

Rivers may have to engineer another loss on Friday, since WSest will be back and Sacramento isn’t that good. But Monday won’t be a problem, even though San Antonio has been playing poorly. Just put Jefferson on Doncan and watch the early fouls pile up, and put Telfair on Parker and watch Tony go for 35.

Just a short note on Telfair, his defensive play (or lack of) has nothing to do with being a “3rd year college player” or not understanding the job. I believe there is lack of effort BIG TIME :( on his part…why does doc think he’s the better player. Is it because Ainge did the deal and wants to see him get time?? I only saw part of the game, liked al’s job, our coaching sucks, very plain and very simple. As I stated earlier with the injury squad we currently have playing and a top notch coach the celtics could win the impressive division! ps-perk needs to sit

I missed the game, but I’ll go out on a limb and guess where Doc messed up:

-with 3mins left and a shot at winning the game, Doc decides to go small with the best 6’8 and under team he could assemble…the Cs probably had Gomes as the center, with 4 players 6’5 and under on the floor, when the final buzzer called-up the game

Doc is being M.L. Carr here and it’s coming from above so that he may keep he’s job for next season.

Get use to it guys, he will be here, he’s not going anywhere next season, guaranteed!

Thinking about if Odgen does come to Boston, you have

Pierce, Odgen, and Jefferson for a front three

Now if we can work on our back court!

Excuse me but the Raptors were rebuilding long before Brian C got there. And although he now has a team with great potential, I don’t see them that much better or further along than we are, (give Ainge a #1 pick)just check their record, if it wasn’t for our year being desimated by injuries, we would be way ahead of them in the standings. Paitence, we have some very talented youth on this team. Everyone is knocking Perk now, but believe me when I say, they’ll be eating those words. Hopefully he won’t be on another team when it happens. It’s apparent that Perk is not at 100% right now. Clifford Ray is working with him you could see the improvement in his footing and his ability to not foul out, he just needs to get healthy. Same as Big Al did, I still see the two of them developing into quite the tandem.

As of now we have the number 3 pick in the draft

I did not see the game, but if this business about throwing games or putting lineups in at the end “not to win” is true, it’s sickening.

And I believe it’s true. Danny and Doc have thrown this season away just like ML Carr did. Just like ML Carr, I don’t think the plan started out that way but quickly switched when the season started going bad.

Brilliant strategy Danny, let’s get really bad and develop a losing culture, so we can draft more young players and get really good later. But when is later?

If that was the plan, then why did we re-sign Pierce, trade for Wally, and trade for Theo? I’ll tell you why, because it wasn’t the plan, this is just an acknowledgement that they screwed up royally.

Perk will be a very solid center in the league for a long time

BTW – there is a thread about building a culture of losing.

Free advertisement… I knew I saw that somewhere :)

How could anyone possibly say it’s thier “Plan” to lose? We have 6 players injured, 3 of them our are top scorers, 3 our are only real veterans, (over 4 years in nba. Please lets’ keep it real. Listening to the Alanta annoucers they were shocked how well we kept in the game with the youth were forced to play with.

Yea I dont think the 4th and 5th Pick will be that bad. Look back 3 years at the other huge draft. It was all about Melo and James like it is now with Oden and Durant. But Bosh and wade got picked 4th and 5th so we still have a shot at grabing a great player. I just realistically see us having a top 3 pick tho.

Can’t you guys see what is happening? Bassy is a smart kid, and he’s becoming the “combo guard” that Danny and Doc were, and that they want him to be. He has scored 15, 14, 9 and 13 points in the last 4 games. If he can keep this up, he will keep the job when the other “combo guard”, West comes back.

Rondo on the other hand, with all of that “college boy” coaching, is still trying to play point guard. But he’s catching on. He scored 23 one game last week. Soon we’ll have the most “combo guards” in the NBA. We’ll suck, but we’ll be very happy with our progress. ;)

Of course Rivers is tanking games. How could anyone coach like that at the end of a close game if he were not purposely trying to lose?

I was at a game during the season that ML Carr tanked it. He did exactly what you’re describing Rivers did. ML put in and awful lineup at the end, and refused to call timeout with the game on the line. I could not believe what I witnessed live at the garden. That night, the team won despite ML’s worst intentions.

Look how well we’ve done since ML tanked that season. Way to copy a winning strategy Danny. ;)

Have to agree with the calls for a little broader perspective. Perhaps we should not be judging Powe on a couple of 5-10 min. games. Who knows what he could do with consistent minutes. Same with Ray. I am not prepared to get all excited about one game – one way or another. Jefferson does need some help and Gomes is either playing out of position or is undersized. Did not see the game but judging from his minutes he must have been doing something out there. Any insights?

You know, it’s really gotten crazy here…Guys are saying that Danny and Doc have thrown the season away just like ML, when they’ve had 70% of their offence buried on the bench…You don’t have to throw anything away when you’ve got only nine men suited up and the coach is playing to supply a healthy body…
the Celtics will come into their own and it will take time…As far as Telfair is concerned, I really don’t know, but I can tell you that that midget on Denver, Earl Boykins, has been around since Christ was a boy, and he sucked…Now, he’s hitting everything in sight and pushed AI over to shooting guard…Give it time…We have no chance of a top three pick unless we trade into it…When healthy we’re just not that bad…
This has been an extremely trying season for us, but there’ll come a silver lining…If Danny can snag a soon to be 20/10 guy at 15, and a blooming future all star in G$ even later, just imagine what he’ll be able to do near the top of the lottery class…It doesn’t turn me off at all…

it hurts to be a losing team. it’s painful to watch. yes, there are bright spots, al being the brightest, and the potential of rondo. i wish danny would pull a mchale, and fire docc, finish out the season as a coach to see these kids up close- then get someone new to coach next year.

Problem is Doc isn’t trying to tank. He is just a bad caoch!!

Telfair has shot like 37 percent in the last five games. Lets not give him too much credit. This team isn’t going anywhere this year. If they happen to lose a lot of games by playing the young kids, and it results in a high draft pick, I see nothing wrong with that. This culture of losing crap is over rated. You know what helps to fix that? Landing a great player in a draft. Is it a sure thing? Nope. But winning 35 games this year, sneaking into the playoffs, and drafting a mediocre prospect, isn’t likely to make them a winning team either. I’ll take my chances with a high draft pick.

With Perk struggling, the idea of pairing Powe with Big Al makes a ton of sense. It’s hard to explain how Doc can’t see it without resorting to conspiracy theories.

It’s time Doc tried a new approach w/ Gomes. He might be the type of guy who needs to get involved early — post him up the first couple possessions instead of making him the 4th option, stuck shooting 17-footers. The Bulls used to go to Cartwright early to get his motor running.

If someone could take Allan Ray’s fire and transplant it into Bassy, I’d be really happy.

ha some of you people are funny…perk is much much more valuable than most of you give him credit for. given his skills and contract, and attitude/leadership, hes a guy that needs to stay, i cant believe how stupid poeple are when they open their mouth and talk about the celtics. oh yea, and to fiddles, you say tanking for a high pick wasnt the plan until the season started going bad. no buddy, it was the plan all along, and when the season started to go really well (pierce and al combining for a truly scary duo), is when ainge said hold up too much winning, and then pierce has been down ever since.

of course, if ainge hadnt extended pierce for the max like he did, paul might not be so content to sit, but since ainge didnt doodle around, paul will just sit back and collect his checks, and be fine resting for now. ainge is a brilliant gm, i know cuz im smarter than all of you as far as evaluating the job and plan ainge has in place. i could see a long time ago that gerald, rondo and al were the 3 most important pieces for the future, as long as they werent chronic injury type players. well its nice to see youve all caught up with my thinking, now give me my damn props. thank you.

DantheMan,

Congrats:-))) You evidently have been right on top of things:-) Where does Perk fit into your equation, since we have him locked up for a while?

Peace,

Smitty

to be short and sweet, perk’s post defense (along with his leadership and attitude), and ability to control the paint, and play tough and physical and strong, and his nice contract, is why he is so valuable (not to mention his young age). perk frustrates the hell out of any big man he guards, whether bosh or jo or dwight howard, kg, it doesnt matter. none of those guys can seal perk off on a consistent basis, and when healthy (even when not fully healthy), he can very successfully guard those types of players, without getting too much foul trouble.

if you wanna compete for a championship someday, you need someone you can stick on howard or bosh or kg one on one and not get burned with, and perk is the type of guy who is so tough in the post. hes like diop of dallas, except not as tall, and with much more motivation and drive, which makes him a decidedly better player and one who wont be going anywhere fora long time.

I feel like I entered into Bizzaro World reading this site. Now it’s a conspiracy theroy? What Paul Pierce is really not injured? He’s sitting becuase of some grand plan to tank the season? Please this is to much…LOL ;D ;D ;D

I do agree with your assessment of Perk however.

Greg Oden will be the #1 in the next nba draft but if we have the oportunity I think we must choose Kevin Durant. He is the best ncaa freshman that I´ve seen in my life. He has the complete package, size, ballhandling skills, great shoot, great rebounder, can pass the ball. In 3-4 fours years can be one the best forwards in the league. Now is averaging 24-10 and is fresham, its amazing.

If Perk plays to his potential, we’re looking at a taller version of Charles Oakley, but only if he can develop a shot from 15 feet. More likely Rick Mahorn.

Yep, and Perk disappears and Gomes is too small. As I said the other day, take Jeff, Green, Allen Ray and Rondo and add Kandi and Powe and play without Doc’s screaming. Starting to sound like Pitino out there, Doc.

  A lot of you are talking team play as if it were MLB or NFL, where teams actually matter. In the NBA ONE (count em again – ONE) player makes a bad team very good and a average team a Champion. Imagine the current Celts with a Wilt, Shaq or Kareem in their prime playing the middle. Most SG’s and SF’s are interchangeable and easily picked up via FA. A good PG is difficult, a good PF is harder and a great C is near impossible (But Kareem, Wilt and Shaq were all traded). Havent’ seen Odam (Sp?) play so am not sure how good he actually is. But many saying he’s the next great center. (BTW I never thought Ewing was a great center – good yes, great no).

Perk can’t play with AL because they just double AL with Perk’s man.
When Perk is healthy he can back up AL at the 5. Play Powe more. They won’t get beat on the boards so badly with him in there. More rebounds,
hopefully more running and easier scoring opportunities.

To these radio guys, asking if we want one of the top lottery picks-heck yes, I want a top 2 pick, not 3rd, 4th or 5th. Give me a top 2 pick, no worse than 3rd. Play the snot out of these kids, keep Doc if you want, don’t make any trades, go out and play injured players that need rest, I don’t care. For the rest of the season, all I want is to see the Celts get ping pong ball #1 or #2.