C's Players for Pau?

WTF I don’t want to give up our top draft pick for that stiff. He’s not that much of a difference maker. If Ainge pulls the trigger on that this then that’s ridiculous.

My vote is for focusing on the plummet.

In years to come, Gerald Green is going to be a great player here. We should keep this young core together.. go for the gold in the draft, and let the kids all stay together for many years to come… if we get lucky and add Oden or Durant, we are really in business.

If the other kids take Perk’s lead and sign for reasonable money, we’ll be fine.

If we do this deal and send Green, Telfair, Gomes and Theo.. you know what will happen? Memphis will tank the year, land Oden and be a much better team than us two years from now.

We need a talent like Oden or Durant to really have a chance.

He is a difference maker with Paul and Jefferson. This lottery fever has too many if’s and 2-3 years of development to suffer through. Do the smart thing Danny and get Pau if you can.

I love this piece from today’s Celtics Imperfect 10 Globe article:

“as he came in for the abused Gerald Green. (Rivers said it appeared the Raptors were "picking on” Green early in the game.) Green came back suitably chastened and finished with 12 points."

Give Green 3 years and every time he plays Toronto, He’ll go for 40.
This has to be because of the Garbage time slam he delivered last year.
I hope he’s keeping a list, ala Arenas.

If we plan to be great in some years, we don’t need Gasol now. So either trade Telfair, Green, and Ratliff for him, or just say no and draft Oden. It’s as simple as that.

As long as we keep pierce West, AL, Green, Rondo and a pick this year then pull the trigger as fast as you can Danny. You can still work Pau into the system slowly

To get Pau, some young chips must go. Jerry West like Green!!!!! I think that the Celtics can offer more than the Bulls and more in line to what Jerry West wants.

Geez. How many ‘garbage time slams’ did Vince Carter throw down in his Raptor days? 500? 1000? Raptor fans & players have short memories.

Here’s my thing about Gasol. I don’t see how he fits with Al. The Celts need help in the paint with defense, shotblocking, boxing out, rebounding, etc. Gasol doesn’t do much of that. The better interior defense, the more room Pierce and Al will have to operate. The one thing Gasol does provide is offense, but with Pierce back in the lineup I don’t see that as a need.

Jerry west also liked Kobe

How do you not make this trade? A package of perkins, green, theo and a pick (from minny or clev) for Gasol and Warrick works according to the trade machine. A front line of Pierce, Jefferson and Gasol would be fierce for the next 5 years. I think you make this as soon as possible.

It depends on what year the draft picks are from. If we can ditch Wally & Bassy in the deal then I’d be ecstatic.

I’d try and keep gomes & delonte who I see are our better players that would be trade bait. These 2 guys are great team players and would fit into 2 posistions as subs. Telfair should be #1 piece, move him, if theo’s expiring works great put him in. Green is still unproven with lots of holes in his game but great upside if things work out so I’d try and keep him. Don’t trade Pierce, Al, Rajon, can’t trade but would try TA, Wally. So telfair out of town, great no problem, perk gomes west…wouldn’t want to see any of those 3 leave but to make this deal work I’d add perk instead of the other two. Gasol great fit for team….now how about a coach??

There is also the possibility that pierce comes back and helps us win enough games to end up with the 4th or 5th pick, now you have no gasol and no oden. If you can get an all-star for spare parts you do it.

Lets do it , gasol would make us division champs for a long time.
give them our #1 this year along with ratliffs contract and maybe next yrs #1 and a couple players. keep perk as he is now finally old enough to be a college grad and is so close to being consistent with his double double type games.
keep rondo west perk big al pp gomes
offer telfair ray szerbiak green scali and kandi any of these guys they want plus two #1 picks and ratliffs awesome contract

As in any trade, the question is the cost. If Gasol costs Green and Perkins, fine. If he costs Jefferson, no. The Celtics will also have to include West or Rondo in either scenario.

I would not give up a 2007 first rounder unless its lottery protected through 2008.

Gasol has already said he’s ony interested in going to a contending team. That’s certainly not the Celtics. While players don’t have no trade clasues, they can make it virtually impossible to be traded somewhere they don’t want to be. Mourning forced his way out of Toronto, Iverson nixed the Bobcats, etc.

Hey, chemistry takes a while to flourish. thefore, if Pau comes to town that will happen and we can still have pierce’s minutes reduced or even have him shelved for the rest of the season giving us the chance at the sweepstakes. Im sure Pau would understand the move given the desire to win a banner.

I definately agree with Jeff:
“If we could get Gasol for say… Theo, Gomes, Telfair, and a couple of future picks (not this year), I’d have to say that would be tempting” I would also ship Wally with this package, if the other team wanted.

I dont want any more expiring contracts, this franchise uses them for sideways moves and to lower payroll a few million, which doesnt make the on court product any better.
if we get Gasol to go along with rondo pp big al then we would be a contender that needed a sharp shooter to take open jumpers as pp big al and gasol would have 5 guys trying to cover those three.
rondo would thrive scooping up loose rebounds with his hustle and dishing for dimes big al and gasol would dominate the paint on both ends pp would be pp and do everything wow

I agree with Jeff too. But there is no way you would get Gasol for the package he is proposing.

Memphis will want Green and the #1 this year lets be real about it.

I for one would give them those 2 and Theo for Gasol. If you can Acquire an All-Star caliber player in his prime. Especially a true 7 foot center you do it. Put him with Pierce Al and Rondo and for the next 5 to 6 years we’ll be a contender. We might need to add a vet PG but other than that we’ll be in great shape. If we could keep Wally it would make us even better in my opinion.

West / Rondo
Wally
Pierce
Jefferson
Gasol

By the time the core that group is starting to fade in 5 or 6 years. The group we have now will just be hitting thier stride. And theirs no guarantee that we get either Oden or Durant. They may not even come out this year. Add Gasol and bring back Peirce and the pick WILL NOT be a top 3 lottery pick. There is also no guarantee that Gerald becomes what we think he may. Go for the sure thing. Bring Gasol to Boston!

It makes sense to me. It is possible that this team could turn things around with or without Pierce. If PP comes back in a week or so, I doubt that the C’s will end up with a top 3 pick. However, the possibility of adding Gasol, and a pick still in this year’s top 12 (my guess as to where they would end up) is still a good outcome. If Green has to go to make it happen, I would procede.

The lottery system makes tanking way too risky.

As good as Green will be, they would be able to find a pretty good wing with a pick somewhere between 5-12.

I also read somewhere on this blog that Gasol would complement Al very well as a high post player. This seems very logical.

Everyone on this forum is justifiably haunted by the Billups and Johnson trades, but this situation would be different. All Star 7 footers in their mid 20’s are incredibly rare.

This strating five could be very good next year:
 
West or Rondo
Allen
Pierce
Al
Gasol

Of course it’s tempting…Stein’s article is tasty, but who says that West wants to part with Gasol???…
But as I’m writing, I realize that if Gasol goes, Memphis almost absolutely has the most ping-pong balls for Durant or Oden…now, it gets juicy!…but I see it as an extremely long shot…although Memphis beat Utah in Utah in overtime the other night…You tell me!…Please?

I think alot of the Gasol-to-Boston talk over the next three weeks will be Jerry West just trying to jack up the price that Chicago will eventually pay. I think Gasol is going to the Bulls and it’s pretty much a done deal.

In my opinion Boston’s chances to get Jason Kidd are greater than their chances to get Gasol. Kidd just officially filed for divorce, and may be looking for a change of scenery. JO might also be available if Jefferson were part of the package.

This is more of DA throwing a bone to the fans that he is actually doing something to improve this horrible team or has the assets to acquire such a player (which he doesn’t). The Bulls have a lot better assets and need Pau more, that will most likely be the trade partner. The C’s only assets are Big Al (who shld be untouchable) and the un-lottery protected pick in 2007. I doubt many NBA teams are sold on the rest of our young players, Green has really been exposed with the increased PT and is still a few years away (if he actually develops into anything)

Could somebody please explain the attractiveness of expiring contracts. Ratliff is owed $10 million next year. Somebody would want him because they wouldn’t owe him $10 million two years from now? This seems to me the foolishness of fantasy league people who aren’t spending real money. But it is talked enough that I must be missing something.

You can’t make a big move without giving up Jefferson, Green, this year’s pick or Pierce. That is true now, and it will be just as true in the offseason if you substitute next year’s first rounder instead. And next year’s draft is very strong too (with O.J. Mayo plus any of the underclassmen who decide to stay in school).

I vaguely recall watching the Chinese national team play the U.S. in the world championships, but I do not remember Yi Jianlian. However, he is supposed to be a 7 footer who has the same kind of game as Gasol: good passer who shoots from the outside, dcecent weak side shot blocker. Ainge’s trip to China may be a way of letting Jerry West know that the Celtics don’t have to pay 75 million dollars for those skills (which is roughly the amount left on Gasol’s contract through 2011).

i’m not smart enough to know what to do- gasol vs. ping pongs. it is all wishful thinking to help us endure the abysmal season. i love durant/oden or another talented big,e.g. noah, and i like gasol. the proof will be in what is left out of the pudding, i.e. what they would have to give up for a gasol, or how lucky they get with the ping pongs.

there are no lottery guarantees so the simple truth is Gasol is very good, nearly great, and he DOES fit with Al, and PP up front. Untouchables are only PP, AL, GG, TONY, RONDO. If I am making the deal everything else can go including all picks but they have to be lotto protected. I think some of you forget an 8 to 9 man rotation is all that can play and is all that is needed. Al and Pau up front is lethal as hell. Then you come flying down with rondo, GG, PP and Tony. This is a 60 win team. We might even still have West when its all done. Chances are though they can get more elsewhere and I think we MUST pass if any untouchable has to be incuded

gasol is the sure thing. i dont think its that hard of a decision if its the deal at the top of this page. even if it includes our pick. if we get durant is Al going to be our center??

Yeah Bassy, Gomes, Theo and a pick (that isn’t this years) is a great trade for everyone…EXCEPT for the Grizzlies. Why on Earth would they do that trade? They can’t want to save money that badly.

I’m sorry but how overrated is Gasol? Can anyone imagine KG or Duncan playing on the worst team in the league? Give me a break. SOOOOOOO soft defensively and his rebounding is Blountastic. Give me Oden over this guy and his insane contrct any day..

ENOUGH already! Gasol is not coming to the Celtics. Does no one here read the news around the league? Here’s the quote:

Gasol asked Heisley if the Grizzlies would consider trading him to a contender — a squad that has a chance to win sooner rather than later. Heisley responded by explaining to Gasol that the Grizzlies preferred to keep him. They would only do a deal that best suited the team by acquiring a high draft pick, salary-cap flexibility, someone of comparable ability or a combination of each.

This would seem to eliminate the Celtics as Heisley said he’d do his best to accomodate Gasol’s request. Why would Gasol want to go from the team with the worst record in the league to the team with the second worst record in the league?

People have to remember, that the Grizz don’t have to trade Pau. He’s under contract for several years so they have all the leverage. What’s he going to do, not play? So unless Jerry West has suddenly become a moron, there is no need for them to dump him for a crappy package like some have proposed above. Why does anyone think that other teams are interested in the Celtics garbage? Sure every once in a while, Billy King or Isiah Thomas makes an insanely moronic trade, but you can’t bank on that. Really does anyone think there’s a market for Wally? He’s an aging player, who has knee and now ankle problems, and he has a n albatross of a contract. If you’re running another team, would you trade away expiring contracts, or draft picks for this guy? The only way to move Wally is to take back some other teams garbage. Let’s face it, to get someone of value, most of the time you have to give up value in return. So if you don’t want to trade, Pierce, Al, Rondo, Green, or this year’s first round pick, please don’t expect to get anyone of worth back. No other team is out there is in the business of doing the Celtics or their fans any favors. If Bassy is playing like crap for a 12-30 team, do you think he has a lot of value around the league? Is another year and a half of Theo’s contract at $10 mil really that enticing? Or Wally and his bad knees and now ankles, not to mention the $13 mil or so he’s owed for the next couple of years. If you were running another team, would you make that kind of deal?

Wow, I justed posted this the other night. I have felt that this has already been in place, since Pau’s dad leaked it. I did then and do now feel that Jerry West is waiting to the 11th hour to see if anyone will pony up a better offer.

To fully evaluate this one must look at all parties that may be involved. The Bulls I don’t think will break up a team that is currently contending, with a strong chemistry. So while they may be fishing I don’t think they’ll put a package together strong enough to knock us out.

On our current #1 pick I agree with the poster that there is no way we will be a 1-3 once PP comes back, unless our one ball get’s dam lucky. We were just under 500 ball with PP in, I think all would agree this time without him has improved our young vastly. At worst I see us at 500 with his return and others regaining health, as is. My guess we’ll be around 5-7 at best. If we pull the trade off, Pau should easily take us out of the lottery or at worst at the very end of it. Me I think it would make us very, very good.

Memphis, as some have pointed out our strong in the wing with Gay and Warwick, so I don’t think Green would be a deal breaker. I think they would be more interested in our pick, even if that falls later in the 1st round. Memphis needs a point guard, mostly. Hence the Telfair or West scenario. Front court help for them is going to come from this draft, by trading Pau they are locking onto the most balls.

So for me, I say do it! Even if it calls for trading this years number 1 pick, which I would not make lottery protected, but would make 1-3 protected. Just in case the Leprachan finially shows up. Players I would protect at all cost is Pierce, and Jefferson. Next I would try to protect Rondo, Green, and Perk, next West, Gnomes, TA, and Wally, and all the rest as the most willing to let go.

Heisley and the Grizz blowing smoke. They will trade Gasol to save money. The Grizz are in dire financial condition and the team is for sale, and they are dumping salary. Cardinale, Stoudamire, Swift and Miller are also on the block.

The only question is where Gasol lands. But if Gasol comes here, Gerald Green or Al Jefferson will become a Grizzly.

The Celtics should be willing to give up anyone on the team other than Pierce and Jefferson to get Gasol. Green could be the chip that gets it done.

A frontline of Pierce, Jefferson, and Gasol would be fantastic and certainly makes the Celtics contenders to win the East next year. Sign a veteran guard (who is even just average but has experience) and this team quickly becomes very very good.

The biggest offseason issue for the Celtics remains what to do about the coach. Rivers is going into the last year of his contract and will ask for an extension. If they give him one, all is lost, whether they manage to acquire Gasol or not.

I think Pau would love to come to Boston because he knows he would be the missing link on a talented, yet injury plaqued team. I mean who would not wanna play next to Paul Pierce and Big Al. I say we go with Telfair, Theo, Green,and our #1 top 3 protected. This would leave us with an imposing lineup:

Big Al,Gasol,Pierce,Wally,Rondo w/ West,Gomes,Ray,Kandi,Perk, Scal.

then next year we would be all set and ready to become a force in the east w/

Big Al,Gasol,Pierce,Tony,Rondo w/Wally,West,Gomes,Perk,Scal, vet pg, w/maybe Ray and Kandi back.

tell me that team, if healthy would not be really good.I think it would be sweet

The C’s first priority should be to acquire more talent. This team isn’t good enough to win consistently with the roster that is in place. Its filled with players that are either too inexperienced or inexperienced and not very good. So DA should take any steps necessary to greatly increase the talent on this team, whether that be through the draft or via trades. Talent wins in this league. When is the last time a team with below average players, with a great coach, won anything? All the winning teams, with “good” coaches, not coincidently, also have great players. Just take a look at Miami. They suck this year, but is that because Riley forgot how to coach or that he suddenly became a bad coach? Or does it more have to do with the fact that Shaq is older, often injured and not the player he used to be? Could the fact that the play of Walker and Williams has deteriorated rapidly have anything to do with it as well?

Look at all the winning teams in the this league and there is a common theme, they have a lot of talent. Dallas, Phoenix, San Antonio, Utah, etc, all have much better rosters than the Celtics. The C’s need to either add better players, or the players they have need to get better.

I don’t see how Gasol helps this team enough to make it worth forfeiting the possibility, however improbable, of getting Oden or Durant. What this team needs more than anything else is much better interior defense. How many times have we seen the Celtics shoot 48% but still trail by 10 points because the opponent is shooting 54% (also because of turnovers, I realize)? Yes, our offense tends to go into brain lock in the 4th quarter of close games, but that won’t happen nearly as much as Pierce comes back, Al continues to improve, and the two of them learn to play together. But the defense will continue to suck if we trade for Gasol. Acquiring Gasol may make us good enough to win our pathetic division the next few years, but we will go nowhere in the playoffs. To go anywhere in the playoffs you have to be able to clamp down on defense in close games.

I say try for Oden or Durant, even though I know it’s unlikely, and if we don’t get one of them then accept a nice consolation prize in Noah, Splitter, B. Wright, Horford, or Thabeet — all of whom should quickly become much better interior defenders than Gasol.

Stuck in Philly said:
  “There is also the possibility that pierce comes back and helps us win enough games to end up with the 4th or 5th pick, now you have no gasol and no oden. If you can get an all-star for spare parts you do it.”

Exactly what will happen as far as wins and Losses, so Ainge must be getting on the horn now to get Gasol here. Ratliff/Green/West/Telfair I think would get it done. And I would do it, too. Would be nice if Memphis was willing to part with Mike Miller in the deal, too. Toss in Perk if we need to. Ainge has said that he “likes shooters.” I bet Miller can be had on the cheap right now.

Rondo
Pierce
Szczerbiak
Gasol
Jefferson

6th man- Mike Miller.

Again, why would the Grizz unload Gasol for “spare parts”? Its insane. Also I doubt the Grizz are going to be willing to just “throw in” Miller. He’s played great for them all year, and he’s still has a few years in him before he hits the other side of 30. Its funny a lot of people on this board have blasted Ainge for not being able to pull off a big deal, yet all you guys ever want to offer is spare parts. If that’s all Ainge is offering, and we have no way of knowing that for sure, then I’m not surprised nothing has gotten done. Really when it comes down to the trade possibilities over the last few years, one of three things likely has occurred. 1) Ainge hasn’t aggressively pursued trades. 2) All DA has offered are “spare parts” 3) DA has made genuine offers and the other teams weren’t/aren’t that enamored with the Celtics stable of young players.

Right now the C’s probably have 2 chips (aside from Pierce) that would get other teams really excited, Al Jefferson and this years draft pick. For all his physical gifts Green is still a question mark. He’s 21 years old, he’s shown some promise, but he’s also been very hit or miss. I doubt other teams see him and think “he’s a sure fire star”. The same holds true for Rondo. So unless Ainge is willing to move Jefferson (which I’d be against) or this years pick, don’t expect him to pull off any blockbuster trades.

I just think that standing pat, and let the lottery decide the future of the franchise(no guarantees) is a risk I am not willing to take. If Gasol is available and we don’t have to give up our 2008 #1 pick and the deal could be had by trading Theo, Gomes, Telfair, GGreen and a couple of future picks(as Jeff put it)…gee, what’s the hold-up?

..and yes, I think GGreen would have to be involved(although they do have HWarrick whom is better and plays the same game/position….other wise, why would Memphis do it….

…I am ready to part with Green for Gasol.

..truely, I can’t understand why Chicago wouldn’t part with LDeng and BGordon for Gasol….to me its so ovbious what needs to be done…

Get Gasol without giving up this years’ pick. next year or two okay. I would second the emotion of Gomes Telfair West and Ratliff along with our 08 first round Pick plus two second rounders this year.

I would not trade either Pierce, Jefferson, Green, or Rondo for him. I would try to hold on to D.West and Gomes, and Perkins.

I would offer this years pick and Theo’s expiring contract, and whoever else they might want.

We would finally have the talent to compete for a championship. A high low game with Gasol and Jefferson would impossible to stop.

I would take a 26 year old Gasol entering his prime over a “chance” at 20 year old Oden anytime. Especially with Pierce on the roster.

If we are going to give up only “spare parts” for Gasol I would think that either a.) Memphis laughs at us or b.) they make us take back another crappy contract (i.e. Cardinal).

I have to admit. I don’t know what to do, or what I want the Celts to do. I’m tired of the loosing, but I love the idea of having Oden. He is exactly what we need. But adding a potential all star would stop the loosing (not sure how many wins it translates into, though. Playoffs, ECF, Finals, #17). I DEFINATELY do not want to give up this years #1 unless it is lottery protected.

What about waiting until draft day and see where we stand? Then maybe make a move to trade up if needed? I don’t frickin know!

This trade will not happen unless our 07 pick is included. I can not see the logic in some fans posting that this pick should not be included. Protect the pick 1-3 only, if you made it lottery protected it would take the value of the pick away from the Grizz, and I would believe stop any deal from happening. Oden and Durant are the only two players in the draft that would even begin to make the trade questionable. 1-3 protected would cover that. Anyone thinking a draft player taken after 3 is more valuable than aquirring Gasol is as Spark would say, highly illogical. Gasol’s carreer has been on a team that he is the only double team threat. With the C’s you’d have Paul, Al, and now Pau as threats. This to me is a no brainer. And hey if anything if the deal goes thru, we may have new hate-uhhs and play-uhhs switching…that in it self could be refreshing. I for one am getting tired of the same negative posters. Me I’ll remain positive no matter what happens so your stuck with that. ;D

gasol is an all-star. i don’t to wait another 2 years for a draft pick to develop under our “wonderful coaching system”. we have the ability as a team to coach good players for other teams, but none of which can produce while their in boston.after building so many chips and assets, i think this is the chance we’ve been waiting for. iverson…we didn’t really need another guard, but gasol? we’ve been needing a big man for ages. jefferson is good, but no all star yet. if we can get gasol without giving up rondo, jeff, or pierce, then there you go. perfect trade and opportunity.

i started a thread on this not too long ago .. everyone seemed dead against cashing in the pick while the the thought of oden/durant was a possibility was realstic with Paul out..

I’ll be very diappointed if Pau Gasol is the end result of Danny Ainge’s master plan. I’d rather just end up with a lottery pick and not part with any of our good young talent. Pau Gasol is also not what this team needs since he plays no defense, and on the offensive end is basically an older Al Jefferson.

Just finsihed reading all these posts, and in Danny’s mind everyone is available,

but, Paul, Al and the 1st round pick 2007 if it means getting Pau

My focus has been on the articles I’ve been reading on Oden and Durant. Oden is the player we need, first and foremost as much as Durant is a hellava player, Oden will eventually be the “Dominant Center” in the league for years to come.

A front line of
Oden
Pierce &
Jefferson

with a backcourt of
Green
Rondo

is very enticing in the future

A few things…

Only way Celtics are in a conversation for Pau Gasol is with the 2007 pick UNPROTECTED…anything else is a pipe dream…

Chicago doesn’t seem to be offering more than Gordon, Brown, and NYK 2007…so competing with that package is the only thing of consequence…

Getting Oden would be fantastic, but in a game of probabilities its only a 20 percent chance currently and Paul Pierce WILL, WILL decrease those chances upon his return…

Pau Gasol is an All Star in his prime…he may not be Garnett, or even the prospect of Oden, but he’s an established star player who any player in the 2007 draft would be fortunate to develop into…people are falling in love with unproven potential while calling for the team to win, this is hypocritical…

Pau Gasol, Al Jefferson, and Paul Pierce collectively is a frontcourt that ensures contention for the next 5 years regardless of our other players development…Delonte West is consistent now and Wally Z is an effecient perimeter shooter as well, these are perfect complements to the “big 3”…Tony Allen, Rajon Rondo, Perkins, and Powe represent good defensive subs and upside of their own…you’ve got an ideal “now and later” scenario with more players to be added in ’08 and ’09 etc…

People talk about defense, but having a highly effecient offense that limits turnovers and can rebound and block shots improves defense…individual defenders are easier to add as role players, not to mention Rondo’s development and Allen’s recovery represent 2 potential starters down the line who do it on both ends…

The draft is extremely lucrative this year, but it represents more waiting for said player to develop and perhaps surpass Gasol’s current ability…Pierce’s hourglass isn’t endless and acquiring another vet All Star would necessitate trading players at some point…

Finally, trading some players improves the play of others because they have more defined roles and more minutes available…

This trade is a logical no-brainer if it can be done for the right mix of pieces…

…small addition…

Oden isn’t invincible, just as Shaq, Duncan, Garnett have proven not to be…2 of those guys have won titles, but Shaq didn’t win his until he found Kobe and Duncan has been defeated in the playoffs numerous times…

Say Memphis got Oden and Horford for their future frontcourt, that’s awesome, but there’s still work to be done…Gasol, Jefferson, and Pierce are perfectly capable of defeating that tandem and there are more pieces to be added in addition to the head start Boston would have on Memphis in terms of continuing to tweak their contending team…

Oden with Jefferson and Pierce is better than Pau, but that is a statistically inprobable right now…Gasol is within our control as far as making the attempt and the difference between the two of them is moot when if you consider either paired with Jeff/Pierce to be a contending team, which I do…

Wow, thanks Eric W I feel somewhat vindicated on my post. Although I did put protecting the pick through 1-3 I did that to quam some of these other posters. I agree with you this craze that were going to get Oden or Durant is insane. Your right with the return of PP and others this team odds will be slim to none. So after reading your logic in the matter I concure I would even give up the UNPROTECTED pick. But would insist on my orginal non tradebales being Jefferson and Pierce, for all the reasons you stated. Lets do it!

As long as Pierce,and Jefferson are not in the trade, i say do it. I would even include our #1 pick if it meant keeping gerald. Pierce, Jefferson, Gasol, and Green would be a force for years worth giving our #1 pick for…

Pau, Al, and Paul would be our best frontcourt in 20 years. This is a trade that makes a ton of sense for us.

It’d be tough to sacrifice Gerald and our #1, but I’d rather take a chance on a proven player like Pau than on ping pong balls.

Jerry W. will push for Rondo, and we’d have to give up DWest. I don’t think he’d settle for Bassy, Gomes or Perk.

Danny redeems himself big-time if he can get this done.

 dobbs said: _
  The kool aid available in the locker room must be extra strong.

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You don’t think a team with 2 dominant frontcourt players and and All Star wing isn’t a contending team? What team in existance has ever had 2 inside stars and one outside star and hasn’t competed at a high level…

it’s one thing to argue about Jefferson (though I think he’s well on his way) but Gasol and Pierce are established, as are Wally and West in terms of the support they’d bring and how it complements the others…

..you’ve got to start somewhere…champions don’t emerge out of the blue, this is a good starting point toward building around Pierce’s prime…

…put it this way, within 5 minutes on lottery day, all of this could turn into a discussion about Horford, Hawes, McRoberts…not bad players, i’d be glad to have them but not instead of an established player like Gasol…

This whole argument is about who likes to play craps and who doesn’t…the odds are in the house’s favor and we’re playing on borrowed money with Pierce’s prime at stake…

I want Oden more than I want Gasol, I want Durant more than I want Gasol, I even like the idea of Noah as well…but these are small-percentage hypotheticals…I want a contending team and Gasol ensures that in my opinion, not because he’s so great a talent, but because he adds the consistent high-level production that puts this team into contention…no more hoping for certain guys to begin to produce, we’ve got Jefferson, Gomes, West, producing with Tony Allen on the backburner…Pierce and Wally do their thing…adding Gasol gives this team a tangible focus for the first time in years…Rondo, Powe, Perk…those guys are a luxury item to watch develop at that point with more good players coming…

think how nice Minny’s pick is going to be when trying to get Pierce’s replacement…

Great posts by Lo. Most C’s fans overestimate the talent of our young players. Jefferson and our # 1 pick are the only real bargaining chips we have. Danny will probably not part with either, so this deal isn’t happening. Let’s get real: Gomes, Green, Telfair, etc. won’t fetch an All Star 7 ft center.

Wahz said:
“I think some of you forget an 8 to 9 man rotation is all that can play and is all that is needed. Al and Pau up front is lethal as hell. Then you come flying down with rondo, GG, PP and Tony. This is a 60 win team”

- Dude, are you high? Seriously, are you freakin high? A 60 win team!?!?! So, somehow our 33 win team last year and 20 something win team this year goes to SIXTY PLUS wins by simply adding Pau Gasol!!!! Man, that was a good laugh…

Wow, after reading all these comments its apparent that ‘Lo’ is one of the only sensible people here. HAHAHA, I just LOVE how no one wants to trade our crappy spare parts. Someone please tell me WHY Memphis would want the likes of Wally, Telfair, West, Gomes, Perkins, Theo, a protected draft pick etc for a proven ALL-STAR. Some of you guys are insane.

P.S. In case you didn’t get the memo, our team isn’t very good and most of our young guys suck.

I for one believe that Green,Theo and an unprotected pick would do it…and if that is the price for Gasol it is a no brainer…hey Jeff, how bout a census among us fans if whether we want gasol now or a chance at oden/durant.

oops, there is a poll already and just saw people want to stay put till the summer rather than trade for Gasol….I still kike Gasol in Green though.

Although it would be great to add Gasol, here are the things I don’t want to happen:
1. Trade away Jefferson or Green
2. Give up next years first round draft choice

I would say go for it if it was like Theo, Gomes, Telfair, maybe West, Perk, Ray, etc. (not all of those, those are just some possibilities). But what happens if we get Pau, and then we win the Oden/Durant sweepstakes. Do we draft Durant because he could fit in at SF, moving Pierce back to SG? But if we get 1st overall, there is no way the Celts could pass up Greg Oden.

Today there was a report saying that it would take Jefferson. If that’s the case i hope we pass. I would rather move perkins, gomes, telfair or green.

Why do people think Warrick has a game similar to Green? Maybe I haven’t been following him as closely since he left Cuse, but isn’t he a post player?