Pau-er Play?

Jeff, fwiw Im agreed on PP & Al but not Gerald. Not to say he wont develop, but he’s got a ways to go (handle, D etc). Pau can play. Now. Id also toss in the #1 (bird in hand).

i think the only untouchables in a deal are Al Jeff pierce and a lottery protected number one. I believe gerald is replacable. i think he can be great but sometimes youre gonna have to sacrafice. but then again i dont know if memphis would even want gerald considering they have gay and warrick. another interesting thing to ponder is who do they hold in the highest regard, warrick, gay or green?
i think a frontcourt of jefferson, gasol and pierce would be dominating, and you need to work hard to get this done. gasol is the type of player that would fit nicely with jefferson consiering his ability to play the high post and his passing.
i think if we made this move, we would still have an opportunity at a top 5 pick depending on how long pierce is out of the lineup. remember its lottery, toronto won last year and they had what, the 5th or 6th worst record, ditto for the bucks a few years ago…

I’d make the trade at the right price which does not include BIGAL.

Pau would be a nice pick up if the cost isn’t exhorbitant. I could live with Jeff’s price provided there’s lottery protection on the picks and they’re not this year’s. Make one of them the Minny pick at that would do fine. Getting Oden/Durant is a long shot as is. With Pau and some returning players from injury, this team won’t make the playoffs but probably get the 9-12 pick which will still be a pretty good player in this draft. If we get Pau with Jeff’s offer, we’d have:
Pau/Perk/Kandi
Al/Powe/Veal
Wally/GG
PP/Ray
Rondo/West
That line up would make waves in the conference. Add in TA and a solid draft pick next year with a better vet backup than Kandi (or Kandi for that matter if needed) and things are really looking up.

Great read, and the kind of trade that has the potential to totally change the atmosphere here at the TD BANKNORTH GAHDEN along with Danny Ainge’s stature as a GM. Al Jefferson no matter at this point should be untouchable even for Gasol. The tandem of having Pierce, Gasol, and Al Jefferson would totally fix most alll of our Big Man problems and big man stupid trades that Danny has made in the past few years. Is it worth giving our #1 pick and Gerald Green to get the deal done to have those 3 players play together? YES. Will sebastian telfair, ratliff gomes and a pick get it done? NO. At least not the way telfair has been playing(or lack thereof) this year. Either Jefferson or Gerald and #1 will have to go. I’m sorry Gerald but having 2 big guys that put up double-doubles every night is something we havn’t had since the 80’s. We must also remember that we commited 60 mill to Pierce so he is clearly the face of this franchise. Also, having both Jefferson, and Gasol would give us trading chips for even better deals in the future, even though KG is turning 32 and lets face it, we would have to be way beyond where we are right now to trade for a guy of that age who would turn 35 in 3 years(KG might have missed the bus thanks to McHALE)….GIVE THEM ALMOST ANYTHING BUT JEFFERSON. But ratliff, telfair and gomes will not get you an All-star in Gasol. Green and the #1 goes if Jefferson stays imo.

You can only get value by giving up value.

We can’t get a top shelf player like Gasol with out giving up Jefferson or Green, and probably a first rounder as well. The Grizzlies are not going to trade an All-Star caliber 7-footer for our spare parts – there will be better offers out there than that.

Use Green and a first rounder to get Gasol. Then the Celtics front-line consists of Pierce, Jefferson, and Gasol. That’s an amazingly talented, and reasonably young, frontcourt. Sign a veteran guard, even just an average veteran guard, for some experience in the backcourt – and away we go.

That would be a great team. But you have to trade a valuable asset to make it happen. Just make sure its Green and not Jefferson…

small point Jeff, but I disagree that Telfair would be good fit for an uptempo team, other than being quick he really hasn’t shown any ability to push the tempo with the C’s (like Rondo has shown at times). I can’t see any GM wanting Telfair, unless it’s bargain basement, and I can’t see DA putting him in a bigger trade as a throw-in after he mortgaged so much to get him.

You don’t get Gasol without giving up Big Al.

It’s great that Al’s had a nice month here, but statistically he’s only leading Gasol in two catagories (rebounding .9 boards per game and TO’s .6 less per game). Gasol’s outscoring, outshooting, out passing, more steals, more blocks and doing all ‘when we don’t really know how healthy he is’.

I haven’t had a chance to write this yet, but Friday I was sitting in a bar getting ready to head into a game and the Boston/Toronto score kept flashing along the bottom of the ESPN broadcast that was on the bar screen. There was a 5 consecutive times accross the bottom of hte screen where the C’s never scored a point, how did that happen? I thought maybe they just weren’t updating the score, but then realized that Toronto’s side kept going up….

i mentioned this below .. ask yourself how far is Danny willing to go to keep his “we need another star” promise to Paul ?

and whats the bet Paul feels fine pretty damn quick if Gasol becomes a celtic ?

Great post, Jeff… you read my mind!

 TheRev72 said: _
  You can only get value by giving up value.
This is more like the AI situation. Pau needs to go. I like the move with Telfair, Gomes,’08 #1, and Kandi if they need a big for the rest of the year. If they want more give them West. We can always find guards, not good bigs.

Good stuff, Jeff, thanks.

Gerald could really be something down the road, but that being said, wing players are not as hard to find as post players. We also hopefully have TA coming back. We won’t be short on offense with Pau and Paul around.

if we can get pau without giving up big al, pierce or del we will be a very good team this year.

we may not make it all the way back to the playoffs but no one will want to face us down the stretch.

next year we are as close to contending as anyone in the east.

with pau in the high post, big al in the paint, pierce on the wing and del nailing jump shots Cant you just see it? sactown east!

Hey the Grizz aren’t going to just give Pau away. Just because he asked for a trade, doesn’t mean they have to move him. This is far from the Artest/Iverson situations. You don’t see the Grizz sending Gasol home until they can move him do you? They have all the leverage. He’s years from Free Agency, he’s not going to stop playing and walk away from all that guaranteed money, and their season is shot anyway so its not like an unhappy Gasol is going to cost them a shot at the playoffs. They can hold out until the draft to trade him or the off season, so please stop kidding yourselves by thinking you can get an All Star 26 year old 7 footer for bargain basement prices.

Lo : theyre saying that in the best case scenario , im sure everyone is aware of the realism behind trading for Pau..

well at least i hope they do.. ;)

Im a fan of Green as well, but im much more of a fan of Jefferson. Green is an afterthought at this point. To me the only untradables are Rondo, Jefferson, and Pierce.

Just for fun, I’d like to hear who you think will take the next step Rondo or Green?

I agree Rondo is more of a special player than Green in my opinion. His weaknesses, such as shooting, are in areas that are easily learned through practice. His strengths are his vision, speed and defense those attributes seem to come naturally to him. Gerald it seems is just the opposite good at the things you can practice but not much in the way of natural instincts. To me Rondo is the guy to keep.

Watch him improve is outside shot this offseason then watch out.

I also wouldnt hesitate to give up our pick this year

Sometimes the best trades you make are the ones you don’t make…..

If West does trade Pau to the Celtics and doesn’t receive Jefferson or Green then he needs his head examined.

Gasol is traded to us if Memphis is desperate….. Danny should wait till the last possible minute in the trading deadline and if his price isn’t matched…..

he should just walk away and leave things as they are

A frontcourt of Big Al and Gasol would be a terror in the league for years to come. As long as PP,rondo, and al, arent included in this deal i make it happen with no hesitation. As much as you dont want to hear it Pierce will be back soon which means more wins. Our chances of getting Oden or Durant is probably just as good as drafting Jerome Mosio again.

Great post Jeff, but I don’t think I was clamoring for a midseason trade as hard as you were.

G$ not a deal breaker, especially when celts could get 26-yr old 6’10 allstar that complements your core (PP & bigal).

I agree with almost everything you said Jeff, except for one thing. If trading GG makes it happen, I would do it…no brainer. I am not as high on GG as most fans are. I remember when TMac was that young and I can’t see GG as the next TMac as some has suggested. He’ll be 21 next year, excatly the same age PP came out of college(if my memory serves me right). Fair or not, I will be comparing GGs 21yrs vs PPs 21yrs and we’ll see what happens…

Here it is a chance for the Cs to become relevant again. If ownership wants a winner I think this is our best chance unless we wait for at least 1-2 more years. We need to send Theo,G$,07rd1 top 3 protected,08 rd1 pick lottery protected,07 rd2 pick and Telfair for Pau and Cardinal no way Memphis says no to this ownership just has to be willing to eat Cardinals contract. This would leave us with Minnys pick which will probably end up in the lottery.This would leave us with:

Gasol/Perkins/Kandi
Big Al/Gomes/Scal
Pierce/Wally/Cardinal
T.Allen/West/Ray
Rondo or West/vet fa pg
and add a player from the Minny pick and their is no way we don’t run away with the Atlantic and contend in the east next year unless injuries ruin us.

If it gets the deal done without giving up Al, maybe we could include Green but get back Warrick…?

Bostonsports fan, I don’t know how the lottery protection affects the deal but you can not trade first round picks in successive years.

I’ll be shocked if we give up less than Gerald, DWest and our unprotected #1 plus Theo. But I wouldn’t be surprised to see Scal and Cardinal swap places as part of the Grizz salary dump. Jerry West might give us a break on talent (i.e., leave us DWest) in exchange for taking a bad contract.

Well it was only a matter of time, but I hate to say Jeff that was your worst post. Yes not bad if you only look through rose colored glasses, and believe me I do, but mine were not tinted enough for that one. Why?

Imagine your Jerry West and you agreeded the deal your suggesting. Now let’s say for whatever reason we do fall into the lottery at 8-10 with Gasol (which I doubt) and our ball comes to the top and we get the #1 or 2 because you agreeded to taking the pick lottery protected. I wouldn’t want to be in Jerry West’s shoes, as I think at his age he could’t run fast enough to get out of town.

I find it highly unlikely that West would accept any trade offer with anyone without thier pick this year UNPROTECTED. To move Gasol would guarentee Memphis finishing out the season with the worst record. Wouldn’t logic dictate that West would want more balls to increase is odds for the 1-2 pick?

My other disagreement is this thought that we stand much of a chance to win this lottery. If and that’s a big IF, PP doesnn’t play another game we may finish out with the 2-3rd worst record. But as the odds are more in favor of PP returning, I just can’t see us doing better than 5-8 in the draft. And with Pau I agree with the other poster more like 9-12 no better. If the owner ham strung Ainge like you suggest there will not be a trade. In my humble opinion.

Jeff, let me get this straight: you wouldn’t trade Gerald 3-12, no defense, turnover prone Green, but you would trade Delonte 22 points 11 assists on 50% shooting West? I guess all a player needs to do to get some fan support these days is DUNK.

Let’s not forget that Gasol wants to be traded from Memphis so that he can play for a contender . Will he play for Boston ? I don’t know if he a no trade clause in his contract , if he does , I’m not so sure Boston is where he’s looking to go.

It’s amazing how much the word “potential” can blind you to reality. This is just like when Red Sox fans didn’t want to trade Trot Nixon for Sammy Sosa! We always overrate our own. Not willing to trade Green for Gasol. Jeeeeessshh!

Gerald Green has been over-rated by most Celtic fans. Watching him play alot of minutes, it is painfully obvious he is not the next Tracy McGrady. How he could be on the list of untouchables I just do not understand.

Val Kilmer’s Doc Holliday is one of the greatest characters in Hollywood history.

I think Memphis wants to be blown away and they would need Jefferson and a #1 to do that. They could easily keep Gasol, still lose a ton of games, and he wouldn’t cause a disruption or shoot his mouth off, even though he would be unhappy inside. They really don’t need to make a move, but I think they’re being fair to Gasol and looking to see if they can score big.

They might also realize that with Gasol as their top player they have yet to make it out of the first round of the playoffs (although they’ve had some tough matchups). He’s a good player, and young. He’s not a great player though.

Wait,We need to play out the year with what we got.See what is there in the draft.My hunch is Gasol will be there this offseason.If not oh well.But let’s play out the string with what we got.Either way we need to see who develops and were we will draft.One more thing isn’t Gasol’s contract coming up?Lest any one forget’s he comes from money.And he has said in the past he would like to go back and play in Spain.Remember Vazquez it wasn’t all about not being ready to play in the NBA.He loves the quality of life in Spain.Gasol has said he does to.

I agree with most posters, that it would take much more to get Gasol. I also don’t think that Green is high on their list of Celtic’s assets. I believe that Al, Wally or Theo, and our unprotected #1 is what they will ask for. I would not consider that trade. I also expect that Danny’s initial offer will be low, perhaps something similar to Jeff’s offer. I think that an offer somewhere inbetween may get it done. JW will play the Bulls and Celtics against each other and probably take the offer he considers best. I would offer something like – Wally or Theo, Perk, 2007 #1 top 2 protected this year then unprotected in 2008, and Bassey. I think it may take another #1 too and West instead of Bassey. I would consider another #1 or West, but probably not both.

Gasol and AL would be a nice tandem. But don’t trade AL for Gasol.
I don’t think West would do a deal with the Cs without AL in the deal.

See, I believe taht the only way to keep Jefferson, is to give up the 1st this year. My deal, and I have not checked $ yet so I don’t know if it works, is Perkins, Wally, West, Gomes, and a 1st for Gasol and Warrick. I think the only way we keep AJ is to give up Gomes and West.

Although earlier in the season I believed the value of playoff experience and winning was the higher priority, at this point I am way on the wagon for giving the young players as much playing time as you can and hoping for the best in the lottery. That approach should probably include avoiding a trade during this season unless bowled over. Keep the team stable for continuity for these young guys. Bring Pierce back gradually and cautiously.

If they can end up with one of the top four or five poorest records good things and maybe terrific things should happen. I love this team and they are fun to watch. The key guys are all growing and their trade value is as well. It may just turn out to be most fitting for the team to get a great draft pick for the future in this year dedicated to Red. The karma may be right.

Pray tell me WHY you guys think our crap is sooooo good? Does everyone forget we only have 12 wins? PP and AL are the only untouchables. Make the trade and give them anything else they want, including unprotected pick. With Pau, AL, and PP we would be unstoppable.

I could deal with trading Green, Gomes, or Telfair…

I can’t deal with trading Al, West or Rondo.

How’s Tony Allen doing?