Is Tony Allen The New Antoine Walker?

My first first comment!!! Woot!

I do agree with what Nunes is saying tho…

TA is a warrior.

Tony does a lot of good things, and alot of not so good things. He’s no Gilbert Arenas, however he can get to the rim and is one of the few guys on this team capable of shutting down another top scorer. Personally I think he’s a good guy to have around but he’s not gonna be the guy to carry us through any playoff series

Yeah… but I don’t like Tony Allen and I loved ‘toine! But thats the point of the argument, isn’t it? ;)

allen has always played this way….a lil drama may have taken him off his game but now he is back…

“keep as many of the "kids” around for as long as possible"

ummmm…. can’t get on board with that one. I’d rather see a two young guys and wally moved for salary relief and one contributor preferably a big.

I’m in the camp that you should play 8 consistently than use the next 12 situationally and as injury insurance. The last three can be for Allan Ray type gambles for all I care.

“Young” guys:

Perk, Telfair, Jefferson, West, Allen, Green, Gomes, Rondo, Powe. If we only played the young guys (and there is someone on the board who loves each of those eight) we’d have a full roster.

When was the last time you saw AW steal a ball or make an effort on D?

What TA lacks in talent he makes up in effort. Yes, he still tries to do to much, but he’s working on it.

Antoine always seems to fight against his own talent. Ask Pat Reily if Antoine was a worthwhile investment….

TA has been awesome as of late. I know people are always in awe when they see a big guy like Al Jefferson play well because it’s much more difficult to find a big player who has his skill set, but I have to give props to TA. If TA can play at this level for the rest of the year, I would have to say that TA and Al should be in the running for the most improved player award in the NBA.

The problem with Antoine jacking 3’s was that he was a PF. Allen is a shooting guard: the mistakes he makes are at least within the scope of what he should be doing.

Turnovers on the break and offensive fouls attacking the hoop – I can live with that. It’s aggressive play and as he establishes himslef, he’ll get more calls and learn to back off when needed.

Wow a “Tony is inconsistent column” really going out on a limb with this one. Except you could label everyone of the young guys with highs and lows during a game or two.

If Tony starts jacking up 3s with 22 secs on the shot clock, or makes a career of inconsistent play then you can call him Toine. But comparing him to No 8 is just a weak ploy to generate excitement to a comparison that could be made about the every player on the Celtics.

While Tony and Al asre striving to correct their mistakes and improve their overall game, which most concede that both are doing their best at, why doesnt PP try to improve his decision making brain so he stops trying to consistently try to dribble thru 3 or 4 defenders on his way to the basket. He must be among the Celtic leaders, if he isnt the leader already in TO’s. He thinks he invented the spin move and he gets trapped in it more than he should. He is our best scorer but that doiesnt necessarily mean we will win every game in which he is our highest scorer.

I remember the times when certain fans were very quick to point out that every game in which Ricky was our top scorer, we lost. Remember that connection? Well, I hope that with the game improvement shown by Al and Tony, PP cuts down on his suicide spins significantly and count on other teammates to score. That could take us to the next level, together with our coming draft.

Please don’t even mention Tony in the same sentence as Antoine “Soft Serve” Walker.

Tony is no Gilbert Arenas. No, he is not, but Arenas was not a first round pick, so obviously wasnt as hot once as he is now. Right? Why then cant Tony become just as good or better with time? Both were second rounders. At least Tony defends better than Arenas. Maybe he will improve on his jumper as Arenas did – who can say now he cant or he wont. Both are fearless and strong going to the basket. Bothy make their foul shots. So lets see what happens if Tony continues having enough playing time.

There is a definite advantage on Arenas part now – He is the go-to guy in Wa. He knows he can shoot whenever he wants and he controls the ball. TA is not the go-to guy- There is only 1 go to guy in Boston; who also controls the ball. So, since Arenas and Tony are not in equal footing, its not fair to say that Tony is no Gilbert Arenas, as if Arenas as so much better. I would like to see Arenas playing alongside PP to see who would demand to be the go-to Guy. Suicide would be an option for Doc. lololol

No way, Walker blows and only scored points because he was a chucker. He played 0 defense and never gave up his body for a charge. He always dribbled the ball off his leg.

I rag on Tony Allen too but he is 100 times the player Walker ever was. He is 10000 times better on defense and better on offense as well considering he doesn’t need 18 shots to put up 20 points.

TA’s poor decision making and turnover issue is more a function of weak point guard play and poor coaching. On a team with a coach who firmly establishes roles and a point guard who makes sure players get the ball at times and in spots where the game was easier for them, TA would be thriving even more then presently.
Actually, the same thing could be said for Wally. Although, he is a completely different player than TA, his offensive problems stem from the same things as TA’s: LACK OF LEADERSHIP ON THE FLOOR AND FROM THE BENCH.

The kid is 24, he just needs 2-3 years and his shot will improve along with his defense which is already over par. In time, his mistakes lesson, and his understanding of the game will calm his temperment as he matures. For the money and the potential, i’d rather have him than the past 2 people who wore #42…

That was a terrible article.

good point though.

AKK :o :o :o :o Antoine!? He was at his prime when a celtic and he was horrible. I still feel everytime Pierce makes a mistake it is because of Walker (bad) and Pittino (worse). ‘Toine never worked near TA’s defensive effort. A 3pt shooting power forward who thought he could handle the ball. Makes you appreciate BIRD. TA in my opinion thinks to much, you always see him looking around after making a mistake. I say give him minutes, the turnovers do hurt, Doc coach him. His turn around seemed to come after cooz watched a game. I don’t know if it was his comments but cooz in his blunt (not blount!) way said he needs to be a 2 dribble guy or something along that idea. Tony is a driver not a ball handler. I’d like to see more pg work and less handling, except on wings for pierce and allen. ps-i gave up watching celtics in walker late era, it disgusted me.

salmon and mashed potatos vs. over nitrated hot dog

Tony just doesn’t know what to do besides taking it to the basket. If he had a stronger guard, or sidekick, he’d be terrific. When PP gets back, he,Jefferson,and TA will be very tough. If the second unit of Wally Green and can be effective, WE’ll score plenty.

Bad comparison. I see what the writer is saying though. Tony is sometimes a mixed bag like Toine was. He’d give you lots of points and rebounds, but then have a bunch of turnovers too. However, Tony is able to make up for his mistakes on the other end by creating havoc on the defensive end.

The problem with Tony early on, imo, was simply not enough playing time. Remember he was playing like 10 mpg behind GG? If Tony plays 10 minutes, he looks bad because he might have 3 turnovers in that 10 minuts, but expand his minutes to 30 and those 3 turnovers don’t look bad when he has 20 pts, 7 rebounds and a few steals as well.

Tony is another player that probably would not have seen the minutes had Wally not been hurt. Boy do I hate Doc as the C’s coach.

Tony is a box of rocks while Walker actually thought he was a star…Tony can be trained,he’s in shape and he defends

I understand the reason for the comparison but I really don’t see it/ Walker was the ultimate trick or treat player but he was good and bad in the same game. tony for the most part has either been good for a whole game or bad for a whole game. antoine was also much more of a focal point for the team than tony ever will be. tony is getting a major opp right now but when pierce comes back tony will no longer be the star. antoine always had to be the star and he had a star like approach to the game which tony just doesn’t have and hopefuly he never will have because a big part of antoine’s problem was his ego and unwillingness to play team ball

To me the comparrison is right on — both #8 and TA have flaws in their games, both focused around suspect decision making. With TA it is his ball handling and passing decisions. With toine it was his shot selection.

BUT no matter what flaws in decision making they both possess, they both leave their hearts on the court — almost to a fault where they both attempt(ed) to do way more than they were capable of thus leading back to poor decision making.

I am a toine fan, simply for the fact he wanted to win and you (at least I) could see that. I still wish toine had great coaching / veteran leadership his first few years in the league. WHat if he had the opportunity to grow under larry bird and lear the nuances from him — as opposed to be the heir to dino radja?

Toine haters — flame away. I am a big boy I can take it.

Toine’s best trait was his 6.9, 245-250lb frame. The dude could rebound.If he just had turned into a PJ Brown and leave the scoring to others, with his leadership role he would have played a lot more years with the Celtics; but it was not meant to be.

Actually, watching Tony in the last game made me think a lot of Pierce, in both his good and bad aspects. Tony was getting the ball at the top of the key a lot in that game and driving…lots of points, but also lots of turnovers, and a more stagnant offense.

I don’t really see the Walker comparison. Even people who dislike Tony’s game do so for a different sort of reason than the Walker haters.

the breakdown of tallen’s game was accurate, although nothing new if you watch the games…

connecting the dots to ant-wine’s game was a poor journalistic hook…

why cant celts fans get insightful analysis from globe/herald writers - similar to pats coverage?

tell me something i DONT know….

AW and TA are both turn-over prone. That’s probably the only thing they have in common. TA will always defer to PP, he is content being a 3rd option, can’t same the same about AW. Also, TA has a more effecient game than AW.

I’m okay with Tony turning the ball over…

last 10 games

he’s shooting about 50%
hes averaging about 18 a game
hes playing great D
I’ll take 4 or 5 TOs a game

Toine shot like 30 percent most games haha

tonys main problem to me is he overdribbles. its a problem now but one that can be corrected with coaching and experience. also while paul is out tony is trying on occasions a little too hard to replace pauls scoring. overall id rather him be overaggressive in nature with his dribble and his drive and try to slowly bring him back into the fold than be too timid to do anything. you can work with this. he was a bit more in control with paul on the floor before. i think that will again be the case when he comes back. and i think he’ll work on it also.

Say what you want about Antione (and its been said), but he carried the franchise on his back before Pierce got here and was an above average playoff performer. I don’t see TA being able to do any of those two things. We were frustrated at Tione because we knew how good he could be, and sometimes he did not live up to that. While Tony we have no isea how good he can be, and everytime we get a glimpse it seems like he takes giant steps backward (because of off the court stuff, or playing time, or the coach).

LuckyNumber07 said:
  When was the last time you saw AW steal a ball or make an effort on D?

>>> This Year on the Heat….Also when he returned to the C’s for the 2nd time, he had a game-clinching steal off of Al Harrington of the Hawks to Ice the game…He’s currently the Team Leader(for Miami) in taking charges this year…

"Antoine always seems to fight against his own talent. Ask Pat Reily if Antoine was a worthwhile investment…. "

>>> It paid off in spades last year when he helped the Heat win it all….so yes, I think it was a worthwhile investment, despite Walker’s struggles this year…

“Both sides are have legitimate points. And that’s what makes Tony Allen so frustrating and yet a completely necessary part of this team.”

Yeah…. I don’t know what we’d do without Tony Allen… we’d be lost….

ahahahahaha

I like antoine and I like Tony. I think ppeople have been off base about tony and didn’t understand the heart of antoine. He was a true and blue(green) celtic inside out and so is Tony. They both had different Types games and parts of each had your nerves on edges whenever they had the ball. Tone chucking it at critical times and Tony Dribbling it into double and triple teams. Both played their hearts out for the Green- employee #8 and Now Employee #42. Tony is in the mode of the new regime Danny and Doc and Toine was in the era of Rick pitino and Wallace. Both Played as instructed and as permitted. Tony is quit and Toine was very opinionated and said what was on his mind.

Are you kidding! Even now, unable to get into good enough shape to remain on the active roster, Walker remains twice the player that Allen is. Just look at their shooting percentages: Walker 99% and Allen barely 50. True, Walker’s 99 includes his FG, 3-point and foul shooting percentages (39, 22, 38), but still… And what about his 4 boards per game for a PF, or his 1.5 assists, which are almost equal to his 1.7 turnovers. And don’t forget his wave as they dribble past him defense. No, Mr. Allen has a way to go before he can be mentioned in the same breath as the inimitable Mr. 38.