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Kobe Here? Nice Try Marty

For those that care, Marty Burns listed the Celtics in the possible locations Kobe could end up.  His proposed deal: Pierce and Rondo for Kobe.  Nope, no way.  I wouldn't trade Pierce for Kobe straight up.  Its a chemistry thing at this point.  See the full Burns quote after the jump.

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2. CELTICS -- An intriguing newcomer to the Kobe Sweepstakes, the Celtics could offer Paul Pierce, Rajon Rondo and some other spare parts. Pierce is an All-Star, and he's from the L.A. area. From Boston's standpoint it makes sense, assuming it wouldn't mind adding another gargantuan salary to that of Kevin Garnett's. Bryant could replace Pierce's scoring while providing a better perimeter defender to go with Ray Allen. However, the Lakers would probably need more than just Rondo in return -- even with Pierce as the main chip.

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Ainge wouldn’t give up Rondo for Garnett why would he give him up for Kobe? Plus, they acquired Garnett and Allen for Pierce, if they wanted to trade Pierce they would have done it on draft night and gone further down the rebuilding path.

by jpd985 on Oct 17, 2007 12:24 PM EDT reply actions  

And isn’t there some friction between Kobe and Ray Ray? I know there was a couple years ago.

by CelticRebel on Oct 17, 2007 12:27 PM EDT reply actions  

I can’t imagine Ray Allen and Kobe wanting to spend much time together…

by blackbird on Oct 17, 2007 12:27 PM EDT reply actions  

Anything is possible but not probable.

by CelticsWin on Oct 17, 2007 12:28 PM EDT reply actions  

i feel that at this point, even though it is a business, trading pierce would just be one of the most disloyal and disrespectful moves in any franchise’s history. pierce has given everything to the celtics without demanding a trade, even through the worst of times. he did question the front office at times, but he always was angry because he simply wanted a better team to win with, he didnt just want to skip out. if they were to trade pierce as soon as they are relevant again i would just be so horribly disappointed.

by chrismihm on Oct 17, 2007 12:28 PM EDT reply actions  

If and when the trade happens Kobe will be wearing a Bulls uni.

by docextension on Oct 17, 2007 12:30 PM EDT reply actions  

If Kobe was more of a 3, you’d have to consider it. But he’s not, so his game does not blend as well with Ray as Paul’s. Kobe is certainly a step up on a talent level from Pierce, offensively and, especially, defensively. Plus younger by a few years.

by footey on Oct 17, 2007 12:30 PM EDT reply actions  

I love how every writer says things like “an interesting newcomer” as if when Kobe went on the market there were two teams and then today all of a sudden Danny picked up the phone and put us in the running.
Nice try but we already have point guard problems.

by 35Lewis on Oct 17, 2007 12:31 PM EDT reply actions  

Do you think they could make the Celtics weaker beyond the top three?

Rondo is not enough. There are no 1st rounders to add.

Why not throw in Perk as well.

House
Allen
Kobe
KG
Pollard

by Wide Load on Oct 17, 2007 12:32 PM EDT reply actions  

I would hate to see Paul in Purple and Gold.

by TheGreenLife on Oct 17, 2007 12:32 PM EDT reply actions  

If this ever Happened, Danny Ainge would officially be “a snake”…

by truthhurts34 on Oct 17, 2007 12:34 PM EDT reply actions  

Laughable. :D

by RAcker on Oct 17, 2007 12:36 PM EDT reply actions  

Jeff, you’re insane! I’d make this deal in a heartbeat. Chemistry is the most overused word in sports. What kind of Chemistry did Shaq and Kobe have; yet it mattered little because they happened to be the two best players in the league at the time.

And if it’s on-court chemistry that you’re talking about, I think Kobe for Pierce and Rondo improves team play. They could play Kobe and Allen in a Phil Jacksonesque big-guard lineup and use Posey in a defensive/3-point specialist role a la Bruce Bowen. It would be a waltz to the Finals.

Of course, this report is crap, and there’s no way the Lakers trade Kobe for someone who is older, less fit, and less productive than Kobe without getting significant compensation back in terms of cap room or draft picks, neither of which the Celtics can provide right now.

But, you’re right in that it would suck for Pierce. But, you’re wrong if you imply that fans would dislike the move. Fans would cheer just like they always do once the team got on the court because more than anything else, winning is what people like.

by migit on Oct 17, 2007 12:38 PM EDT reply actions  

Sorry Jeff, the last paragraph was a response to Chrismihm’s comment about how disloyal to Pierce this would be.

by migit on Oct 17, 2007 12:41 PM EDT reply actions  

I don’t want Kobe. Sure he’s talented. But he brings way too much drama to a team.

The good thing is that a Celtics Lakers trade makes no sense for Los Angeles as migit pointed out. They should bite on Dallas or Chicago so that they have young studs to grow with Bynum.

by Mr October on Oct 17, 2007 12:44 PM EDT reply actions  

we’re all stocked up here, next!

by Jeff Clark on Oct 17, 2007 12:49 PM EDT reply actions  

Our chemistry is all set…. we don’t need to rekindle it again….

Your talking about a “LAKER” becoming a Celtic…… A LAKER…. please would Magic Johnson want to be a Celtic….. Would Larry Bird want to be a LAKER

That’s like the RED SOX and YANKEES making a trade….. no bleep’n way……

by Ancient Red on Oct 17, 2007 12:50 PM EDT reply actions  

Oh yeah, go get Kobe, how about seeing if McHale gives us back Telfair, and maybe we can swing a deal for Randolph from the Knicks. Maybe we can take a look at Lambier or Dennis Rodman. Is Mike Ditka interested in coaching basketball. Come on, lets really mix it up.

What ever happened to Kumbiya Humberto in Europe?

by docextension on Oct 17, 2007 12:57 PM EDT reply actions  

Ancient Red, remember Rick Fox? Remember Brian Shaw? Remember Chris Mihm? Gary Payton? Players have switched, and we’ve made trades before. I’m more then willing to trade with the Lakers, as long as we get the better end of the deal…

Now, having said that, I don’t see how this trade makes sense. Ray Allen and Kobe don’t mesh on the court, or off. And we need more PG help, not less. Kobe is a GREAT player, I have no interest in bashing him. But this trade would not help us.

by Cullain on Oct 17, 2007 1:03 PM EDT reply actions  

Kobe’s only 10 months younger than Pierce. Thanks but no thanks, I’d want nothing to do with this deal.

by tb727 on Oct 17, 2007 1:20 PM EDT reply actions  

i would love that trade

by dr_awesome on Oct 17, 2007 1:30 PM EDT reply actions  

I don’t think this trade is happening, but Kobe is the best player in the NBA right now. Paul has waited for this team, he would be crushed to not get to play in it. Still Danny will listen. I don’t think that Wyc would sign off on this.

by GreenBalls on Oct 17, 2007 2:01 PM EDT reply actions  

I WOULD DO IT IN A SECOND !!! Kobe, Garnett and Ray Allen???

by rickyfan3.0... on Oct 17, 2007 2:02 PM EDT reply actions  

Field only 4 players for 48 minutes each night, trade the rest of the team.

Seriously though, this roster is set (I believe).

No thanks to Kobe…even though he kicks butt.

by mcpu40 on Oct 17, 2007 2:49 PM EDT reply actions  

you do that deal every time…

by Motown on Oct 17, 2007 3:06 PM EDT reply actions  

The Lakers have better potential trade partners than us, and I don’t think Ainge would seek out a deal unless he’s trying to win the next 16 championships all at once. Another huge trade right now seems like overkill.

But if the Lakers called up and wanted to talk, wouldn’t you have to consider it? I think you would, if only to block Kobe from going to Chicago. Right now a Kobe trade looks like the biggest potential obstacle for us in the East. No matter how much you dislike Kobe, you almost have to get a piece of that action if it were possible…

by rjb182 on Oct 17, 2007 3:23 PM EDT reply actions  

Kobe, no. Baron, yes.

by Frankie G on Oct 17, 2007 3:26 PM EDT reply actions  

i would do the trade cmon kobe allen and kg damn wow all of them on the same team

by CeltsRunThis on Oct 17, 2007 3:29 PM EDT reply actions  

Pierce would kick up a fuss and force LA to renege on any deal. It’s impossible to work. Maybe a third team?

Not sure if it would be worth the effort.

by Who on Oct 17, 2007 3:29 PM EDT reply actions  

chemistry ain’t a matter of fellas enjoying each other’s company on an all-expenses paid trip of Europe. We had that last year and look how much it mattered. Chemistry is on the court, the ability to cohere to a team concept that exploits the strengths of each individual player for the larger good. Kobe has proven he can do this, Ray Allen has proven he can do this, Garnett and Pierce for the most part have not, or at least in Garnett’s case, not very succesfully.

This team as is will be a tiger in the east, but if you really want a shot at the title, Kobe’s defense, killer instinct, championship mentality and true clutch ability (ie: being clutch in games that matter) would serve this team far more than a bunch of guys who like hanging out together off the court.

by Bob Dylan on Oct 17, 2007 3:41 PM EDT reply actions  

Have we forgotten that Kobe is a BALLHOG? I wouldn’t do the deal for the simple fact that Kobe needs a lot of shots to be effective, pretty much rendering KG and RA ineffective.

by Mr Freeze on Oct 17, 2007 3:51 PM EDT reply actions  

I predict Kobe is going to the Bulls.

by Brickowski on Oct 17, 2007 4:13 PM EDT reply actions  

I think we will be great with the Big 3 now and we would still be great if we did Pierce/Rondo for Kobe. The thing is though it is it won’t get done for various reasons- Kobe will be a Bull.

I said this the day Buss came out and said he was entertaining offers. That’s my story and I’m sticking to it.

by docextension on Oct 17, 2007 4:31 PM EDT reply actions  

the scary part is that the lakers cant possibly get a better offer than pierce and whatever. i love deng but he is no pierce, same with Marion
  
pp is 30 kobe is 29 with a lot more games

even if this would make us better, and it would, please dont do this, I simply cant cheer for this guy and chrismihm is right, it would be a more disloyal move than Milloy, Vinatere(sp?), pedro, nixon, law, etc., etc. I would have to seriously question just who I am a fan of – he is a laker for god’s sake and probably the most annoying one ever

by chicagogreen on Oct 17, 2007 5:18 PM EDT reply actions  

right now we are what, a top 5 team pretty easily? the other problem here is that a kobe trade just might put the receiving team in a different category of favorite – kobe on the bulls in place of deng and one of gordon(who can’t gaurd anybody and cant drible), ty thomas, or noah – that would still leave a team that should win it all, clear favorite over us, detroit, phoenix or san antonio. i live here and watch a ton of their games – this team has the most amazing defense I have ever seen, ever, because they do it without a shot blocker (big ben is 6-9, and noah and thomas are new), put kobe in with that D and the rest of the league is playing catchup – plus whoever is left of noah and thomas should become that missing shot blocker. We should be very afraid of this trade.

by chicagogreen on Oct 17, 2007 5:24 PM EDT reply actions  

Kobe will definetly ruin the chemistry that the Celtics are trying to build thus far. I really like what we’ve got now and wanna see what we can actually do. Tha Garden will be reborn once again tonight!!!! 8) ;D

by streetsdreamer13 on Oct 17, 2007 5:29 PM EDT reply actions  

3 words: No to Kobe

by greenwise on Oct 17, 2007 5:43 PM EDT reply actions  

I would rather make this deal,than let Chicago grab Kobe…Kobe/KG/R.Allen make the finals for the next 5 years…PP/KG/R.Allen have a tough time getting past Chicago with Kobe/Deng/whatever’s left after the trade.

by Maxwell Smart on Oct 17, 2007 5:52 PM EDT reply actions  

Please take off your green-tinted glasses, people. Kope is one of the best players on the planet, while Pierce is a Top 20 guy. Even though it would be very disloyal to PP, purely from the standpoint of making the team better, I’d make this trade if I were Boston’s GM.

In reality, the Lakers are going to want much more for Kobe than Pierce and the promising Rondo. Chicago seems a likely trading partner, but they really can’t match up with Kobe’s slaary unless Ben Wallace or Kirk Hinrich is in the deal, and I don’t see LA wanting Big Ben and I can’t see Paxson trading Hinrich (although I would). Hinrich, Deng, Ty Thomas, Sefalosha and throw ins Khryapa and Aaron Gray works for Kobe and Jordon Farmar on the trade machine.

The Bulls would have:

Ben Wallace/Joe Smith
Nocioni/Noah/
Kobe/ Adrian Griffan
Ben Gordon/
Chris Duhon/ Farmar

is a smallish but solid rotation, but this team will be Kobe driven. Scrap heap pickups can fill the rest of the roster. I’m not sold on Hinrich, Deng and Gordon leading a team to a title, so I make this trade if I’m the Bulls. Kobe doesn’t need a great PG to win. He needs solid defenders lie Big Ben, Nocioni, Smith and Griffin, and a scorer like Gordon should go off playing with Kobe. The Bulls give up a lot, but wold be in better position to win a title.

and fill the rest of the roster with scrap heap guys.

by TripleOT on Oct 17, 2007 6:15 PM EDT reply actions  

2 words: Bull…. alright, 2 other words: NO WAY!

by celtpride34pp20ra5kg on Oct 17, 2007 11:29 PM EDT reply actions  

are you joking maxwell? yea right, this team would crush the bulls even with kobe. The bulls are still missing their final piece (post player), they have NO CHANCE AT ALL. They are dead in the water, theyre the pre-sheed pistons.

by celtpride34pp20ra5kg on Oct 17, 2007 11:31 PM EDT reply actions  

This team is not taking on headcase rapist bryant, we have a GREAT thing going, forget this loser. This is Paul Pierce we are talking about here, everything is great right now. Any REAL celtic fan says HELL NO to this.

by celtpride34pp20ra5kg on Oct 17, 2007 11:31 PM EDT reply actions  

Why not put Ray Allen in the proposed trade instead of Pierce? How about that.

by The Bones on Oct 18, 2007 4:53 AM EDT reply actions  

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