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100607Celticsnl30.jpg One critical point that I failed to mention specifically in my game recap was ball movement.  The team worked the ball around to the open men early and often.  In addition, the fact that those men were open doesn’t just mean that there were double teams.  It also means that the players were spacing the floor properly.

Think back to a year ago.  If Al Jefferson got the ball on the block, he was going to be double teamed right away.  If someone like Gerald Green was hovering too close to him, then Gerald’s man could cheat down and still be back in time if the kickout pass came to Green.  Nobody was too worried about Telfair or Rondo shooting, so the point guards could sag a little into the paint as well, making Doc’s high post offense suffer a bit.  And what about the weak side?  When the ball came out, it was either slow in getting swung around or it didn’t get there at all.

Contrast that with the game on Saturday.  From the get go, when the ball went into the post, the perimeter players weren’t sitting and watching like they had front row seats.  They were sliding and moving to open areas.  Ray Allen wasn’t hitting his shots, but he had his fair share of open looks.  Eddie House was like a kid in a penny candy shop with a pocket full of dimes.  Even Rondo found space inside the arch open enough that it must have felt like practicing jumpers in an empty gym.

And I don't have to tell you what open looks KG got for Perkins. 

And when the openings weren’t there on one side, the ball ping ponged its way to the other side.  There was no hesitation.  The guy at the top of the key didn’t grab the ball and see if he had a lane to drive.  He just skipped it across to the next guy.  The lesson is as simple as basketball 101.   The defender can’t move as fast as a passed ball.  If the defense is taking one side away, the other side is out of position.  Simple as that.

Don’t just take it from me.   Listen to Chris Bosh’s words:

"The Celtics are going to be tough, especially when they get their post game going.

They're easy to defend if they are stagnant, but when they are moving around, throwing the ball into KG and Paul Pierce, they have guys like Eddie House and Ray Allen on the weak side ready to shoot, it makes it tough.

"To have success against them, you are going to have to play great one-on-one defense against them. But it's tough to ask that of everybody when you're guarding three All-Stars. It's going to take a good scouting report to compete against them."

So it sounds like we’re going to see a lot more single coverage this year.  Teams won’t be able to double down on any one or two of our stars because the third one would kill them.  There will be some matchups that are more favorable than others.  It is going to be up to the staff to recognize those matchups and up to the team to take advantage of them.  Sure Pierce could beat any one defender on most nights.  But if he’s a little tired and being guarded by the best defender on the other team, then the Celtics will have to be aware of that and swing the ball to Ray Allen or work it into the block to KG.

It is going to be a long year for the Celtics opponents if the team can continue to be as unselfish with the ball as they were in the first game.  And it is going to be a lot of fun for us to watch.

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I really hated to give up on Big Al and G.Greene but knew I’d like KG. Wrong! I’m going to love KG. You are right. There is not a better player to build a team around. He has more infectious passion than Tim Duncan, less “me” more “us” than Kobe. Perk is going to be so much better with KG nearby.

Big Baby looked like an NBA’er. Pruitt less so. I would love to get a look at Battista. Hard to believe a skilled player could have been sitting at end of Atlanta bench.

Once again, props to Danny. With Eddie House and Posey also in with KG and RA it is really amazing to see where we are vs that gloomy ping-pong ball night. Just amazing!

by Wildblu1 on Oct 8, 2007 7:16 AM EDT reply actions  

Danny was even talking about how good Pruitt looked in practice. Said he was even better than he thought he’d be at this point. Maybe it is spin, but it is encouraging.

by Jeff Clark on Oct 8, 2007 7:22 AM EDT reply actions  

I was wondering when you would mention the passing on Saturday. The play that is represented by the picture in your article had me so far out of my char that I hit my hand on the ceiling fan. Only, for a change I was cheering something the Celtics were doing rather than shouting out instructions. This has the potential to be a fun season.

by PACF on Oct 8, 2007 7:35 AM EDT reply actions  

that pic still gives me goosbumps

that’s a point guard pass made by a 7 footer!

by Jeff Clark on Oct 8, 2007 7:41 AM EDT reply actions  

I find it interesting that Bosh mentions House as the dangerous PG option with the big three. Maybe we will be seeing less of Rondo than alot of fans were expecting and more of House.

by HRB on Oct 8, 2007 7:43 AM EDT reply actions  

And you thought we needed a back-up PG. Not with KG on hand (LOL)

by PACF on Oct 8, 2007 7:48 AM EDT reply actions  

for years we’ve heard Ainge/Doc tell us that we don’t need a true PG if the offense is running well – but it has never run well without guys like KG and Allen

maybe the backup PG issue really ISN’T as big a deal as I made it to be

hey, I can admit when I’m wrong, it happens often enough ;)

by Jeff Clark on Oct 8, 2007 8:02 AM EDT reply actions  

Actually Jeff, I agree completely that we need a back-up PG. I am not loosing sleep over the fact that we do not have one, however, I believe a good, veteran back-up would not only help the Celtics but it would also help Rondo. He is poised to become a top flight point guard in this league but he would be able to get there faster and with more ability if he had someone to mentor him.

We are on the same page…I was just tweeking you (LOL)

by PACF on Oct 8, 2007 8:57 AM EDT reply actions  

yes, they did swing the ball around a lot. a lot of weak side passes. they looked good. a small criticism was the open 3 pointers toronto got after some of our doubling down low. something to work on.get batista in there. the minnie game will be fun and i will root for big al and gomes. iwould love to see anyone stuff blount. poor al- has to play with skippy.

by nazzbo on Oct 8, 2007 9:19 AM EDT reply actions  

It’s as simple as that, and it won’t change in the playoffs. Anyone that doesn’t think a championship right now is a viable option should get their head checked.

by davemonsterband on Oct 8, 2007 9:42 AM EDT reply actions  

PACF said: … help Rondo. He is poised to become a top flight point guard in this league but he would be able to get there faster and with more ability if he had someone to mentor him.

Doc was a point guard, Danny, though not a true point, knows a thing or two about the game as does Ray Allen. There is also film to watch of other good pg’s. I think Rondo will be just fine with the support he has. He also needs to develop his own stile and he’s a hard worker and smart. As to the team needs of a pg, I think we’re just fine.

by TrueGreen on Oct 8, 2007 9:45 AM EDT reply actions  

Two words: stay healthy.

by docextension on Oct 8, 2007 10:14 AM EDT reply actions  

I heard Minny beat a Turkish team and Al had 11pt 17 reb. It sounded like a poor game, each team shooting about 33%. Gerald went 4 for 15 from the floor.
Gomes was something like 11/10. Bassey something like 2 for 8. Theo had a big cigar in one hand and a hot dog in the other at the end of the bench.

I think we beat them by 10pt in London a couple of days from now.

by docextension on Oct 8, 2007 10:18 AM EDT reply actions  

TrueGreen…I think Rondo will be just fine too, I just think it would make things easier for him and the Celtics if we had a veteran PG to back him up…particularly during the playofs. Just one man’s opinon.

by PACF on Oct 8, 2007 10:43 AM EDT reply actions  

Well, it was good to see and it satisfied me to the point where they are trying to get along together, but I see it will take time, hopefully by Christmas.

Everyone has to figure out what their roles on the team will be.

One thing I truly believe that Doc should instill is a 9 man rotation is stick to it…. he shouldn’t be trying to play everyone…

As happy as I was for Tony Allen… I still wanted to get up and smack him for that dunk……last thing he needs is to re-injure that knee again….

But, going back to what I was saying is this team will be a force.

by Ancient Red on Oct 8, 2007 10:54 AM EDT reply actions  

While I was pleased with many many things in that game (KG being # 1) I still saw a stagnant offense in long stretches that needs work.

Is it that they need more time to play together? Absolutely.

Do we soome half-cour sets built around more than one player? Yes. This team, as seasoned as it is now, should be able to implement some fairly complex offensive plays, many more pick and rolls, out of bounds plays, double screens down low, etc. Just because we “swing it” won’t entirely get the job done.

Again I thrilled by the extreme level of talent, the win, the attitude, etc… but Chris Bosh saw the stagnant waters and that is why he mentioned it. I have every confidence at this point we will flow, swing it, run it and FINALLY implement some Veteran-tpe offense this season. Who has the clipboard?

by Master Po on Oct 8, 2007 11:11 AM EDT reply actions  

tyPO’s argghhhhh. “Do we need some more half court sets built around more than one player” is what I meant to say – sorry

by Master Po on Oct 8, 2007 11:14 AM EDT reply actions  

I agree House may be the best pg for with the big 3.

Anyways, The celtics could end up being the best ‘thru-the post’ team in the league running thru the inside to KG and Pierce and even Perk and kicking out to Ray and House and Rondo and moving the ball around, plus kicking to paul or ray or rondo slashing to the hoop or like you saw to perk wide open for a dunk, unselfishness is a great thing for this team and their post-game is gonna be VICIOUS in the low-post and high-post, especially KG but Paul as well and having Ray as a weapon for the kickout or the slash, and house…. AMAZING. Posey too for the shot, even scal……. The bench and roleplayers 3 thru 9/10 is very good and underrated, let em sneak up, great! We played great defense too, even paul and ray played very good defense on the perimeter and having KG and Perk inside CLOSES UP THE LANE completely, must be great having them behind you anchoring the defense.

Just, I agree, amazing. KG IS A MONSTER down in the post, unstoppable, opens up everything, and Paul and Ray are such amazing weapons. These 3 are an AMAZING FIT, PERFECT, GONNA BE A VERY VERY SPECIAL TEAM FOR THE NEXT 3 OR 4 YEARS.

by celtpride34pp20ra5kg on Oct 8, 2007 11:48 AM EDT reply actions  

They haven’t won anything yet, but still they’ve a chance for a dynasty. (And yes, I know people will say I’m getting ahead of things here.)

by clover on Oct 8, 2007 11:51 AM EDT reply actions  

House would be great for the Damon Jones Heat/Derek Fisher Lakers pointguard role. ‘Bring the ball up, get it to one of the playmakers/stars, make a few plays, try on defense, and make your open shots’.

by celtpride34pp20ra5kg on Oct 8, 2007 11:52 AM EDT reply actions  

When Garnett went for the no-look, the PalaLottomatica crowd went “oooh”. The man just oozes dominance, no matter if he is shooting, rebounding, defending or passing.

by Legend on Oct 8, 2007 12:02 PM EDT reply actions  

Jeff, big admission, glad it only took you one game to see the error of your ways! That being said, let’s all not get carried away with this, ‘looks like House will get the minutes at PG now, not Rondo’ sentiment that seems to be brewing on this site. The way each played is exactly as each has been advertised, not sure why actually seeing it has made everyone turn House into Nash. Each is great in their own role, Rondo is not a good guy to bring in midway through the first half to add offense when the 1st unit of each team is tiring a bit, House is, let’s all stop the clamoring for those roles to switch because we have seen each of them in the first game.

And what is with all those who keep saying we don’t run any set offenses? Are you kidding me? If you TIVO’d the game, please go back and watch each half-court possession, with the sound turned down so as not to be distracted by Mike and Donny, and hit pause when the players are all set and then watch what they do. They only have 24 seconds, so by definition, in the NBA, all sets are designed for only 1 or 2 options, not an elaborate 5-option offense you might see in high school or college. Watch how they enter it to KG or Perk in the high post, then try to immediately get it to Pierce who implements the UCLA duck cut to post his man, if they can’t get it to him, they reverse the ball, and, as a result of 2 screens on the weak side, then free Pierce at the opposite elbow. If you want a Mikan-era style offense of multiple cutters ultimately resulting in a layup, break out the tapes, you will not find that anywhere in the modern era NBA. The idea is to get the ball in your best players’ hands, with good floor spacing, and then let them make plays. I was especially proud of the way Pierce came out and let his looks come to him through this seemingly hidden-to-most system. In fact, there was a good article over the weekend about Pierce trusting Doc’s system to get his looks. The naysayers will never vanish, but I think we we have alot to look forward to this year.

by KJ33 on Oct 8, 2007 12:15 PM EDT reply actions  

Looking forward to Wednesday’s game/reunion against Minnesota. Trade looks better and better each and every day…..

This team will be scary come Christmas time when they are able to put this together….

by Ancient Red on Oct 8, 2007 1:36 PM EDT reply actions  

KJ33 – I will go back and watch and point out some specific moments for you. and uhhhh NO I am not kidding you.

by Master Po on Oct 8, 2007 1:40 PM EDT reply actions  

I look around the East and I like what I see. Defending E champs- Cavs are missing 2 regular players because of contract disputes and Lebron is unhappy about it. IMO Cavs overachieved last year and didn’t do a whole lot to upgrade the team this year.

I think Pistons are showing signs of cracking, I doubt Shaq has the youth or ability to be the force he once was, although Raptors, Bulls, Orlando Magic are up and coming, I still think we have a clear edge. I put Nets and Wizards in the also ran column.

by docextension on Oct 8, 2007 1:47 PM EDT reply actions  

The only real things I saw “wrong” were:

1. There was a little too much standing around on Offense, as though waiting for PP?RA/KG to take over and do something. However, they did pass the ball extremely well at times, and that standing around is going to change as the players have more time to play together. Toronto is a good team, the Celtics still arent a team on the floor yet. They are obviously coming together nicely off of the floor, but on the floor they still have a lot of adjusting to do with each other. It will come.
2. Defensive rotations seemed really rough, but again, there is probably a new system and learning how to play together and compensate for each other’s weakness, and take advantage of our defensive strengths.

There were a ton of great things I thought I saw in terms of hustle, attitude, intensity (these guys will be going all out every night and that’s saying a lot considering the talent level), ball movement (the unselfishness was very clear), and rebounding. About the time December rolls around this is going to be a team that no one wants to play.

by tmcdon on Oct 8, 2007 2:05 PM EDT reply actions  

What was expected but missing from the Toronto game was Ray Allen hitting his shots. That Allen had an off night encouraged players to sag off him but that won’t be the case when Ray starts heating up.

How can a defense double team KG when Pierce, Allen and even House are making their shots? We’ve yet to see the future dominance of this club when they develop team chemistry and an effective offensive and defensive scheme.

One comment that I did not agree with was that the players stood around and that as a result our offense was stagnant. Compared to past few years our players were very mobile. Their movements were to open passing lanes, space the court and to provide single and double screens and picks. By comparison, our “white” team (fourth quarter) did not have a similar ball and player movement and could be identified as having a MORE stagnant offense and defense. There were quite a few opportunies for players to cut to the basket (when driving lanes opened) but those opportunities were missed.

by moskqq on Oct 8, 2007 2:50 PM EDT reply actions  

One thing we’ve all overlooked is the end of the game. Rivers brought in the 3rd/Gray Team, and they held the lead! WOO-HOO, the Celtics held a lead! Seriously, they teetered a little bit but they held. It may have been preseason, but the Raptors were still trying to win. That’s a good sign to me, that everyone knows they have to step it up.

I liked the fact that Tony Allen dunked because I want him to do what comes naturally, not to be constantly worrying about his knee. He shouldn’t dunk every time he drives to the hoop, but he needs to test the knee, and he may as well do it sooner rather than later. Yes, for a sec he looked like he injured himself and I held my breath, but these are the kinds of things Tony needs to do. Otherwise he’ll play in fear and be useless to everyone.

by Green Bear on Oct 8, 2007 3:51 PM EDT reply actions  

that may be the first time tmcdon and I hav ever agreed.

by Master Po on Oct 8, 2007 4:05 PM EDT reply actions  

Not at all. We agree on many, many issues, Po. It just happened to be that you took something I said personally one time and since then you’ve believed I’ve been out to get you.

While reading your posts I think we agree on many, many issues about the team.

by tmcdon on Oct 8, 2007 4:40 PM EDT reply actions  

and for the record:

with the exception of our PM exchnge, I’ve never had anything against you.

Or anyone else for that matter.

by tmcdon on Oct 8, 2007 4:41 PM EDT reply actions  

Let me extend my own olive branch to you as well in honor of the new season of Celtic hope.

Peace and Cheers

by Master Po on Oct 8, 2007 5:21 PM EDT reply actions  

Accepted with relief and graditude!

There is no more beautiful sight than Kevin Garnett wearing Celtic green, down on block, flanked by Ray Allen, in Green, on the perimiter, and our own Paul Pierce slashing to the basket.

This is going to be a great season!

by tmcdon on Oct 8, 2007 6:57 PM EDT reply actions  

Can’t wait for this season to start up already, once KG, Ray Allen and Pierce mesh we’re going to be a tough team to beat.

by celticspride003 on Oct 9, 2007 4:38 PM EDT reply actions  

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