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Quiet Joy

Less Griping, Less Typing

There's a strange counterintuitive phenomenon taking place.  Before the season started I expected activity on Celtic boards to grow with the team's winning percentage.  If anything the opposite seems to be happening.

Take a look at Celtic forums around the web.  With the team great again, you'd anticipate a fury of activity; thousands of new voices being heard; an avalanche of green-tinted posts and opinions.  Unexpectedly just the opposite appears to be taking place.  So far the busiest Celtic discussion groups seem slower.  The team's phenomenal early season success has had a deadening effect on online banter. 

This is all very unscientific and is based only on my own foggy perception, but it sure seems real... 

You may well ask -- How come? Read more

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I have 10 theories:

1) The Inertia of Bliss
Happy fans are just sitting back and enjoying this. 
People are just not moved to type, "The team sure looks good."
Or to respond, "Yup.  They sure do."

2) Nattering Nabobs Are Hushed
Do you hear those squeaky wheels?  Not too much anymore.  Most of the formerly negative voices have come over to the light side of the force. 

3) So Are The Pathological
As for the rest - well even crazy people generally don't want to appear crazy.  (As a side note, you can tell who these nice folks are because they generally start off saying "I was right all along, BUT..."  or they're still just going along same as ever -- steadfastly criticizing the rotations, management, or searching for imaginary character flaws instead of enjoying success.)

4) Serial Traders Are On Vacation
Why propose moving a guy out when he's helping the team win?  ...and everybody seems to be helping the team win.

5) What College Game?
No one's talking about the 2008 draft.  Last year at this time I was watching every Ohio State game I could.  This year, I know there's some guy named Beasley and some guy named Rose out there, but I've never seen them play and probably won't until midwinter.

6) Pink Hatters Aren't Joining Up
Would you?  You come into a place where people are saying things like: "Have you seen Rondo's rising mid-range hot zones?"  "Glen Davis has an incredible PER."  You've got fanatics discussing every arcane statistical and historical detail of the sport -- it's probably intimidating to hesitant pink toppers at the entryway.

7) Basketball Viewing of the Diehards Has Changed
A lot of folks who previously posted in game threads have bought season tickets and are now cheering in person.  Others are watching Ray Allen with bandwagon jumping friends instead of brooding alone with Allan Ray.  When you watch with flesh and blood others, you probably post less.

8) Green Discussion Has Spread To New Places
Though the Celtic talk has subsided a bit on our own boards, it's exploded everywhere else.  Celtic fanatics who have huddled together in the darkness for years are now boldly going forth and interacting with fans of other teams.

9) Nobody Disagrees
There's no controversy.  We all like...well, we all like everything.  Who wants to talk about that?!?

10) It's All New
Unlike previous great teams, this one is so unknown.  This is a group that no one had seen before.  They didn't just add one or two key guys.  Instead it was pretty much a full roster makeover.  So final conclusions are slow to arrive since we're seeing each situation for the first time.

In closing, let me say that I do not expect the mass silence to continue.  When the playoffs loom there will be an explosion of activity.  There will be a cacophony of joyful online noise -- the first great green eruption of the internet era.  The Celtics had one of the worst records in the league last season.  Now they're a leading title contender.

We're all adjusting.

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Well, the major thing you are forgetting about is the dreams we once had for the future of previous years C’s…

that’s why it was great to talk about the C’s last year and previous years…. What would Al Jefferson become… what would Gerald Green become… will we win a championship with this group, etc…

No, the future is here and there is a lot less to think about… or dream about.

The unknown commodity factor has disappeared.

by The Incredible Hulk on Dec 11, 2007 12:53 PM EST reply actions  

People like to complain, this blog is an outlet.
When things are this good, there’s nothing to complain about…therefore, less traffic.

It’s like the 6 O’Clock news.
Who’d watch it if there were nothing but nice stories?
Answer: Very few people.

Watch a car crash, take pictures, blog about it.

Got a nice NBA team?
Yeah, well…that’s nice.

But boy do those Patriots stink.
Oh wait, no they don’t.

by mcpu40 on Dec 11, 2007 12:53 PM EST reply actions  

pretty much nailed it gant. by this time last year im trying to figure out already who id like to draft. i dont think we even have a 1st rnd pick this year and if we did it would be late. or im looking at trades, arguing over why such and such guy is struggling. right now i got nothin’. wouldnt be upset if one of atls pgs wee released but not really worried about it. overall just lookin at how our guys progress. not thinking about any trades at all(not sure what to do with myself). the only things im looking at have to do with rondo, and our bench, thats it. how does rondo progress each game and how tony recovers and big baby develops off the bench.

by bucknersrevenge on Dec 11, 2007 1:11 PM EST reply actions  

I know that this is unscientific, but I’ve even noticed myself typing less these days.

It is nice to feel we are going somewhere special, and I find myself enjoying reading about the team more than writing about them. I agree with The Incredible Hulk…we are in the future, so we no longer need to talk about it.

The best thing, however, is the types of arguments we can engage now as opposed to years past. We can legitimately compare ourselves to the great teams of Celtics Past, but we can also put ourselves in the conversation with our best contemporaries (aka San Antonio, Detroit, Phoenix, etc.).

Ah, it’s great to be green in ‘07/’08.

by RAcker on Dec 11, 2007 1:17 PM EST reply actions  

Your list is pretty good there Gant. It’s the lack of controversy that is probably causing this lull. There are only so many “get rid of Scal” threads that one can read/respond to before it’s all re-hash.

We can still talk about our former young guys, like how Al destroyed the Suns, or Gomes is turning in solid minutes, or how Gerald can’t get off the bench for the worst team in the league (for 2 years running, now).

But there is only so much controversy a 17-2 start can create. Even the most bitter among us has to admit, this is a pretty special group we’ve got right now. It’s a fun time to be a Celtics fan (as well as Sox fan, Pats fan…and heck, even the Bruins are turning in a solid effort).

Perhaps “The Fellowship” no longer has a reason to be miserable. :)

by Fezyk on Dec 11, 2007 1:19 PM EST reply actions  

Yup, you nailed it. I have noticed the decrease in traffic, and myself have relaxed my net searches on the web and clicking of links. They are winning, therefore most articles say that and effectively stop there. As someone who doesn’t have cable and lives outside the local broadcast zone, there is part of me (only PART of me) that liked it better when they had all the kids and the unknowns, and, I know, all the losses. I can see them more on national tv now (at the local bar) than ever, but there is so much less interesting stuff to read. For a couple of years now, I have relied on following the Celtics at at least a few degrees removed from the actual games – but really, its just a different dynamic. Once the playoffs come around, and the Celtics may be on 3 or 4 nights a week (hopefully for a while) all will be good.

by Red Greenback on Dec 11, 2007 1:22 PM EST reply actions  

It is more simple. We don’t need forums as much because Celtics talk has returned to the daily papers, the daily news, ESPN, sports radio especially and as Gant stated we can talk to our friends about them again. People care about the Celtics again.

by pablohoney on Dec 11, 2007 1:23 PM EST reply actions  

  1. is a huge one for myself.

If I am not at a game this year, I am usually watching the game with 4-10 other people, when last year, the same people would have laughed at me and done something else when I said I was going to watch the Celtics game.

  Being able to talk Celtics with them all the time has really diluted my urge to post.

by RichT24 on Dec 11, 2007 1:30 PM EST reply actions  

It’s probably because there is nothing to complain about….. this team rocks!!!

by Frontierboy on Dec 11, 2007 1:44 PM EST reply actions  

“Every happy family is the same, but unhappy families are all different” A bad team is just fun to talk about, because we can all try to remedy it. A good team? Watching the games is incredibly fun, but I don’t feel the need to talk about the team quite so much. Besides, you can only say so much about a team this good until you start sounding like Chris Farley "y’know, that game where you scored 28 points….that was awesome:

by Cullain on Dec 11, 2007 1:53 PM EST reply actions  

Trade talk, the draft, and the direction of the team have been traditionally the top topics of discussions on the board. The Garnett and Allen trades have dictated the direction of the team, we won’t be making any significant draft picks, and there really aren’t too many other roster moves that can be made in this salary cap situation… they are all now moot points. It doesn’t matter anymore who you would or wouldn’t give up Jefferson and GG for… they’re gone now.

by speedster on Dec 11, 2007 1:54 PM EST reply actions  

It’s a temporary dip. After the football guys complete their run, and excitement about the playoffs begins to grow, there will be lots more discussion. In the meantime, it’s all really fun, and in a completely different way than we’ve been used to for a while.

by Gant on Dec 11, 2007 2:13 PM EST reply actions  

9) Nobody Disagrees
There’s no controversy. We all like…well, we all like everything. Who wants to talk about that?!?

This would be the biggie, in my view. Controversy makes for good discussion. There’s only so much “Great team, eh?”, and “Yup, they’re really rolling” that you can write.

The main lightning rod for a lot of discussion in recent years, Ainge, is now pretty much Teflon at this point. What’s to complain about? Even the presumably suspect bench is performing well. Even the avowed and virulent Ainge haters are silent at this point (and let’s face it, they stimulated a lot of debate).

by Zoots on Dec 11, 2007 2:22 PM EST reply actions  

I also agree that the Patriots, and the NFL in general, is taking the general Boston fan’s attention right now. After the Super Bowl, the bandwidth is going to max out again.

by johnnymost on Dec 11, 2007 2:39 PM EST reply actions  

My only post this evening is a welocme one….lol ;D

by Edgar on Dec 11, 2007 2:50 PM EST reply actions  

‘To say and to listen. To teach what we know truly to those who do not know. To send peaceful thoughts over the bridge of words. . . . Reach out. Yet be wary of what you allow yourself to grasp. . . . Guard above all things the purity of your vision.’" – Master Po

sorry……….things are so good right now, I found myself drifting a bit back at the temple

 8)

by Master Po on Dec 11, 2007 2:50 PM EST reply actions  

Yup, all valid points. Especially the theory that in the ‘2nd season’ the chatter will pick up again. There will be some discussion about seeding, and then the potential opponents, and finally the acutal games.

There might also be an arguement to be made that as long as they keep their proverbial foot on the throat of the pretenders, the only games that matter are against other contenders. I can’t wait to see the results from the west coast trips.

by ATX on Dec 11, 2007 2:50 PM EST reply actions  

Nothing to complain about on the court. So let’s T off on the Celtics dancers. Get ‘em outa here. We aren’t the Lakers. I preferred the gymnasts from 2 years ago. I preferred L’il Phunk. Those kids were cute. The dancers are beauties but IT IS PATHETIC. We’re the Celtics again.

by Wildblu1 on Dec 11, 2007 3:14 PM EST reply actions  

sorry……….things are so good right now, I found myself drinking back at the temple

;D oh Po ;D

by Edgar on Dec 11, 2007 3:16 PM EST reply actions  

Actually for myself, it’s been work related and I wish I could be more pro active on here then I have been….

But I try and come on here and read as much as I can

by Ancient Red on Dec 11, 2007 3:16 PM EST reply actions  

All the additions to CelticsBlog also seem to thin out the comments. On the other hand, after years of lurking I’ve felt compelled to chime in 3 or 4 times this season.

I would like to urge some of the longtime “eminences” to comment more, i.e., Brickowski. Even on the rare occasions that I know enough to disagree, I still learn a ton from you guys. Thanks folks!

by Thruthelookingglass on Dec 11, 2007 4:27 PM EST reply actions  

I definitely think there is less posting. I thing reason # 1 is the main cause. It is for me. This is followed closely by the disappearance for the serial traders. Ainge’s actual trades and signings are better than most of the unrealistic ones proposed by the serial traders. And even if there is someone to trade for even the most rabid serial traders must realize we have nothing left to trade with. Like it or not Scalabrine is much more valuable to this team than anything they are likely to get in return. Fortunately there’s not a lot to complain about.

by colt45s on Dec 11, 2007 5:11 PM EST reply actions  

Brilliant article / list. I’ve been thinking about this same sort of thing lately, and your list is definitely more comprehensive than anything that I could have come up with. Well thought out, and well done.

by Roy_Hobbs on Dec 11, 2007 6:06 PM EST reply actions  

Good sound reasoning! Frankly, I am in shock about our quick turn-around and our 17-2 start. Speechless would be a an appropriate word. Only a moron can find fault with our record, players and coaches. Maybe RA is playing too many minutes, but we are winning and that is all that matters now. Doc still has 60 games to get ready for the playoffs and cut down on the minutes later in the season. For the past 3 years all we Doc “haters” – no personally but his coaching moves – was that he was the perfect coach for our young team. Now, suddenly, he is the perfect coach for this veteran team! I will give him credit for the job he is doing so far.

by scndtony on Dec 11, 2007 11:32 PM EST reply actions  

Yes, the Patriots are commanding the bulk of the attention and even account for a good share of the forum posts on this, a basketball website. I attribute some of the passivity to not wanting to rock the boat. If the waters are calm, let’s not stir anything up.

However, let’s see what happens when the team hits a little losing streak. It’s bound to happen during the long season. My guess is the woodwork will be losing some posters should the C’s drop a couple games.

As Rivers said in the papers today, the team is not good enough now to win a title. Is that just Belichick-speak or does he really believe that? I take him at his word. No, they’re not good enough, but it’s fun watching them try to get there.

by lemonadesky on Dec 12, 2007 8:22 AM EST reply actions  

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