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The Pacers laid out the Knicks last night.  That's all there is to it.  All there is, except, of course, everything else we have to babble about:

  • There is not much good to be said in the bullet points to come about Eddy Curry.  That in mind, he did make one play wholly unique by his standards: In one fluid move, Curry took a power dribble in the post, spun off a double team and had the presence of mind to kick the ball out to a wide-open Jamal Crawford for a three less than three minutes into the game.  Just an excellent play, and one not usually seen from the passing-deficient Curry.
  • Now that the compliment for the night is out of the way, it's worth noting that Curry had a terrible all-around night.  Don't let the 4-for-7 field goal shooting and 8-for-10 free throw effort for 16 points fool you; Curry was a net negative for the Knicks last night.  He couldn't hold the ball down low, fumbling several passes away seemingly unforced, which led to seven turnovers.  Further, he failed to rebound like a center, going for just two on the night, committed three offensive fouls and really did nothing defensively.  Jermaine O'Neal in particular had his way with Curry all night.  He moved with ease past him around the rim, and when he stepped out for the mid-range jumper, Curry certainly wasn't following him.  Not an encouraging performance by the standards of anyone who doesn't hate the Knicks.
  • Nate Robinson took a DNP-CD.  Why this occurred, we may never know.  Not that I'm his biggest booster, but given the guard play that did occur for the Knicks, he certainly could not have made them any worse.
  • This has been said before, and it will be said again, but for the sake of at least trying to convey what happened in Manhattan last night, it bears noting once more: The Knicks guard no one.  Nobody.  Culprit number one last night was easily Zach Randolph, who consistently failed to get out on Troy Murphy (who hit five treys), didn't make much more of an effort than usual inside, lost his man with abandon and made a habit of walking back into the play late after failed offensive possessions.  Really, it was symptomatic of the Knicks' defensive play overall.  Quentin Richardson was a major enabler in Mike Dunleavy's 36 points, as he lost him and then failed to close out on several plays.  Curry was Curry.  Credit David Lee for working hard on Jermaine O'Neal early in the game, but beyond that, it was business as usual for the Knicks defensively.  Lots of open threes.  Lots of lay-ups.  Lots of easy post moves for the opposing big man.  The Pacers shot 58.3 percent from the field and 47.3 percent from deep.  No shock.
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  • Troy Murphy might have the ugliest shot in the game today.  No matter though, since he seems to have perfected the line drive trey.  Or at least he did last night, going 5-for-8 from deep en route to 17 points. Well done.
  • No matter how responsible the Knicks were for it, Mike Dunleavy looked awesome.  He just did whatever he wanted.  He shot the ball very nicely from the three-point line and midrange and got to the rim with ease.  The 13-for-18 shooting for 36 points reflects that.  Not much more explanation needed here.
  • The Illegal Screen of the Night Award goes to Indiana big man David Harrison.  Early in the second quarter, Harrison simply ran up behind Jamal Crawford and bopped him.  Nice work.
  • For a dude having a subpar season, Jermaine O'Neal looked excellent, especially early in the game.  He worked hard in the half-court offense, hitting his old faithful turn-around jump shots and also showing some nice skills with the left hand, going to both the baby hook and the scoop lay-up.
  • Here's a novel concept: A player practices a skill before the game and then uses it effectively in the game.  David Lee was on the floor an hour before game-time working on mid-range jump shooting with an assistant coach feeding him the ball.  He took two 15-footers over the course of this game, which resulted in four Knicks points.  Meanwhile, Nate Robinson and Zach Randolph spent the pregame shootaround throwing up shots from three steps out of bounds in the left corner.  Great (although Z-Bo did wind up hitting from 35 feet as time ran down in the first half).  Now, if only Lee and his coaches could devote some time to finishing clean lay-ups around the rim, he'd be all set.
  • There has been plenty of talk (much of it done by me) about the improvements in Jamaal Tinsley's game this season.  Certainly, his assist numbers are up, and he did thread another 12 dimes last night.  But the numbers don't come close to telling the whole story for him.  The Pacers play sloppy basketball.  While Tinsley had 6 turnovers, he also had an inordinate number of passes tipped, deflected and generally prevented from getting to their intended targets.  The numbers do tell the story regarding his shooting, as he went 1-for-8 from the field, a slightly more extreme exhibition of his sub-40 percent shooting this season (or sub-13 last night).  Tinsley has improved, and he does push the ball well for the Pacers, but his decision-making looks like it still has quite a ways to go.
  • Danny Granger plays a nice game.  He shoots well from mid-range and beyond and gets a lot of lay-ins thanks to well-timed cuts to the basket.  Plays defense and rebounds, too.  The man doesn't need the ball in his hands to be effective, which is an underrated value in today's game.
  • Zach Randolph had a really good first half offensively.  He shot 7-for-9 in the first quarter and looked particularly solid with his trademark wing and high post jumpers.  His from-the-moon three-pointer gave the Knicks renewed life by cutting the Indy lead to seven at the half.  That said, Randolph scored just 4 of his 26 points in the second half, and his defense was as integral as any other factor to the Knicks' demise.
  • One more Z-Bo note: He deserves his own bullet point for the most criminal defensive play of the night, which came at 1:20 of the second quarter.  After an Indy miss, Randolph failed to get a rebound, as Troy Murphy tipped it away from him.  As Murphy dribbled the ball back to the right wing to reset the offense, Randolph tilted his head, tugged his jersey, yelled at the referee, and walked around in a circle.  All of this occurred just outside the low block, ten feet away from Murphy, who calmly spotted up and canned a trey with no defender within miles of him.  Unpardonable.
  • Once again, diehard Knicks fan and Money from the Parking Lot author Bill 'Willy Po' Powell joined me in attendance of this game.  His thoughts after the fact were brief: "I called 'em like I saw 'em tonight.  I saw Zach Randolph.  I called him a bum.  Easy."  He also insisted on replaying the aforementioned Randolph play 15 times when watching the game film later.  Yeesh.
  • Yet another 2-for-8 shooting night for Quentin Richardson.  He's hurt and needs to get some rest.  That is all there is to it.
  • Bizarre ending to the third quarter: The Pacers went the length of the floor in two seconds, Mike Dunleavy got the ball down low, ball-faked, drew contact from Randolph and threw up an errant shot at the buzzer.  The officials ruled that there would have been a foul but that it came after the buzzer, thus ending the quarter.  In what appeared to be a nearly unprecedented occurrence, the officials reviewed the play (you can review something other than a basket at the end of the quarter?) and then assessed that the foul came before the end of the quarter, awarding Dunleavy two shots from the line and restoring a tenth of a second to the line.  He hit both, giving him an absurd 22 points for the quarter and providing a reason for an extra television timeout.  Great times.
  • Renaldo Balkman may have had six offensive boards, but this was largely related to his five missed field-goal attempts (in five tries), virtually all of which were lay-ups.  Not the type of performance that will justify any pleas for more minutes for him.
  • The fourth quarter was chock-full of ugliness.  Marquis Daniels, Jeff Foster, Shawne Williams, David Harrison and Kareem Rush continued to pour it on for Indiana.  Mardy Collins shot an air ball, and Nate Robinson and Malik Rose couldn't get into what at one point became a 30-point game.  Little effort, lots of booing.  All in all, another satisfying Knicks stinker.  Label this writer content.
  • Finally,it's time for what is fast becoming my favorite part of these columns: Thanks to Axel and Patty at the concession stand outside the Garden for their hospitality and good nature.  Always a pleasure, fellas.

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I have no idea how Troy Murphy gets that shot of his to go through the hoop. He shoots the ball like 2 feet in front of his face, he looks like a kid that doesn’t believe he can throw the ball far enough to reach the hoop … yet in it goes every freaking time (I really dislike Troy Murphy).

The Knicks missed 20 straight FG’s to end the second quarter … and this was the part of the game they played well. They were still very much in the game until Mike Dunleavy put on a show.

Tinsley was carrying an injury in tonights game. He was openly grimacing on every possession … several times he caught the ball out front on a fastbreak but couldn’t run or explode and was forced to wait out the play for a teammate he could pass too. Nice sucking it up Tinsley.

Jermaine continued his strong recent play. He struggled with injury early on in the season and has looked much better with each passing game.

Jeff Foster was huge last night. Great defense, big boards. Some lovely cuts to the basket including a special give-and-go that surprised the whole lazy Knicks team.

By the way I can’t recall any team in the NBA giving up on the post like the Knicks do. All an Indy player had to do was front Curry and Randolph and that was it … done. The Knicks big men didn’t fight for position. They didn’t put up a hand to call for where they wanted the ball. And the Knicks guards didn’t even look to pass it over the top. Done. Whole offense shot down by the Pacers fronting the Knicks big men. Crazy world.

Mike Dunleavy is the difference between Indy losing and winning right now. Check his numbers out, 20ppg on great shooting versus 14ppg and worse in every other column on the box score. He’s got to start being more consistent.

Most underrated threat on Indy right now? ….. Might be Mike Dunleavy at the top of the key with cutters running around the floor. He’s 6-10 and normally being guarded by SG’s that are 6-5. He sees the floor superbly and his passes are normally money. He just throws it right over the top and more often than not Indy come away with a shot inside of 10 feet.

Jim O Brien has bedazzled me with his entertaining offense. I didn’t like the 3 point contest game plan he ran back in the day but I really enjoy watching his work in Indy.

Eddy Curry was awful tonight. I couldn’t understand why he was being left on the floor. 7 turnovers and most of them weren’t forced. Just dumb plays. If he can’t produce in the post he’s worth nothing out there. His rebounding tonight was horrific. Murph, Foster and O Neal were grabbing everything in sight. It was late in the 2nd quarter when Eddy got his first board. Unreal. They missed 20 straight FG’s … you can’t grab a rebound when you know your temmates are missing everything in sight? On his one rebound in the first half he did show some nice lift, he skied up there and snatched it out of the air. Then nothing more.

I can’t believe how poor Eddy Curry’s screens have become. He doesn’t even bother setting them 80% of the time. He just shows and makes the defender think he’s going to hit him and then rolls away from the ball while his guard gets harrassed by two guys. Well done Jamal Crawford for not turning the ball over more often on those silly plays.

by Who on Dec 18, 2007 6:01 AM EST reply actions  

Devin Brown was huge last night. He made play after play during the game and was the reason the Cavs won in overtime. Huge steal, amazing offensive rebound, another quality defensive rebound and great defense. He’s fitting in nicely in Cleveland. Always liked Devin, good to see him doing well. He’s one of the rarest players in the NBA – a player who does better the further away from Jerry Sloan he gets.

Spurs looked toothless without Tony Parker … and they still almost beat Phoenix. Ran out of ideas when TD stopped scoring. Lack of players who can create a shot for themselves or their teammates. Suns were able to gang up on TD and Manu.

Hustle stat of the night – Tyson Chandler and his 12 offensive rebounds.

Raef LaFrentz rolled back the clock with a game changing effort snatching 11 boards in 18 minutes on the floor. Blazers continue their streak behind Roy’s hot hand and a balanced effort.

Portland’s other first round draft pick, Rudy Fernandez, had another nice game this weekend. Another 6-5 SG with serious game. Great teammate who can create ad nauseum for himself or teammates. Scary how much talent this team has. Youngest starting five in the NBA … without Oden.

Grant Hill really is phenomenal. He must practice catching the ball all day long. I don’t know how he does it. Then he must practice those long strides on his way for a coffee break. Every single time it takes him one dribble to get from the three point line to the rim. It’s incredible. It’s not just when he gets to the rim either, he catches it from 35 feet and next thing he’s at 18 feet after one dribble and he’s rising up for that lovely J of his. More players should copy Grant Hill and learn how to catch the ball like that. What a move!

by Who on Dec 18, 2007 6:14 AM EST reply actions  

Someone please rescue David Lee from the hell-hole that is the Knicks. That kid is a baller.

by migit on Dec 18, 2007 9:23 AM EST reply actions  

mr. thmas is getting his just desserts. maybe he should call up his old buddy, rodman to come in and foul everyone in the paint.

by nazzbo on Dec 18, 2007 9:57 AM EST reply actions  

You sound like a Knick fan although a pained one. Do you know that most of us are only interested in the Isaiah death watch? Some want it to happen since he has been a world class s**t for a long time. Others just can’t see the Knicks lose enough which is reason to keep Isaiah at the helm.
I agree with migit. Poor David Lee

by Wildblu1 on Dec 18, 2007 11:45 AM EST reply actions  

Greatest article ever, thanks.

I do have ONE comment, though…and that is regarding CURRY.

Did he not have a heart problem?
Perhaps that’s to blame for his lack of stamina?

by mcpu40 on Dec 18, 2007 11:55 AM EST reply actions  

Who,

Good points all around about last night’s game. Can’t believe I omitted the 20 straight misses from the column. Of course, it’s worth noting that they did go 10-for-12 from the foul line in that span, and the Pacers were turning the ball over with abandon, so it really wasn’t as bad as it could have been. And yes, that likely was the Knicks’ most competitive part of the game (with the exception of a brief span before Dunleavy took over in the third).

I knew Tinsley was hurt, and he deserves credit for gutting through the injury. All the same, I wasn’t wowed by his performance last night, and the numbers he put up seemed — particularly shooting-wise — seemed to live up to his rep this year. Yes, his play has improved, but there is also still a long way to go.

Curry was bad, but Randolph was public enemy number one for the Knicks so far as playing any sort of defense was concerned. His play against Murphy late in the first half (the one I described in one of the bullet points) was deplorable.

Gotta love Obie.

-sw

by Steve Weinman on Dec 18, 2007 1:10 PM EST reply actions  

migit,

Agreed. Lee plays hard on the floor and consistently looks like one of the few Knicks interested on the defensive end. In the interest of full disclosure, however, he looked terrible around the rim last night offensively. That said, I’m still a booster, and it would be nice to see him have a chance to play for a decent team (a la Ryan Gomes in that regard).

-sw

by Steve Weinman on Dec 18, 2007 1:11 PM EST reply actions  

nazzbo,

Seems like as good a solution as any other the Knicks have employed in the paint. Kinda sad.

-sw

by Steve Weinman on Dec 18, 2007 1:12 PM EST reply actions  

Wildblue,

If I’m sounding like a Knicks fan, perhaps I need to adjust my approach. As I’ve mentioned in a couple of other columns, I’m a diehard C’s fan and, as a result of being a New York native, an ardent Knicks hater. I enjoy following the ‘Bockers because they are generally a compelling team to pay attention to, for a myriad of reasons — I actually wrote on this subject back when I was writing at Taking it to the Rack, and I’ll try and dig up the link for you, if you’re interested. If I sound pained, it’s mostly because watching this team on “defense” (loose usage there) is truly disgusting to any fan of the game of basketball. Trust me, I’m reveling in the Isiah Tenure as much as anyone.

As for my writing about the Knicks, I’m a general NBA columnist here at CelticsBlog, and having been at the game last night and then watched film of it afterwards, it seemed like a good time to share some observations on them and the Pacers. I do realize that for many, though, the Isiah watch is the gate attraction.

Thanks for writing in.

-sw

by Steve Weinman on Dec 18, 2007 1:16 PM EST reply actions  

mcpu40,

Valid point about Curry and the hear problem. I’m not sure how much of an effect it is considered to have had on his stamina, although I’m sure it could have an impact (I’m going to take a look and try and find some more on this). That said, he has long been in poor shape overall, and I’m not sure the heart condition on its own explains away what appears to be a glaring lack of focus and attention to detail defensively. I’m not saying that you were alleging that with your question about Curry, but just wanted to point out that there is more to his story than simply the heart problem.

Glad you liked the piece. Hope you’ll keep coming back and commenting in the days to come.

-sw

by Steve Weinman on Dec 18, 2007 1:19 PM EST reply actions  

Sounds like all is well in New York :D

by ManUp on Dec 18, 2007 3:26 PM EST reply actions  

ManUp,

At least by my standards, it is indeed.

-sw

by Steve Weinman on Dec 18, 2007 4:27 PM EST reply actions  

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