Signal Move Or Just Another Transaction?
I knew there was something missing from this season: speculation about roster moves! We've all been so happy with how things have gone, it hadn't even really occurred to us that we might still have work to do on the roster. Oh sure there have been grumbles here and there about needing a backup big man and perhaps a point guard, but at 20-2, there's not a lot that you could put into the "urgent need" category.
With that said, only a short sighted GM would pack up for the year and let it ride till the offseason. Danny may be a lot of things, but short sighted is not one of them. So is this release of Brandon Wallace a sign that the team will use its "roster flexibility" in the next few months? Or is it simply a matter of a young player not fitting into the team's plans in the next year and an attempt to save a few bucks? Nobody but Ainge can be sure, but rampant speculation is always fun, so let's try some of that.
First of all, let me point out that the bench has been a hugely pleasant surprise. I intend to write more about this later, but what we are getting out of Posey, House, Tony Allen, and especially Big Baby is much more than I would have hoped for at the beginning of the year.
However, that isn't to say there isn't room for more depth. The team now has two roster spots open. They can only dress 12 and Gabe Pruitt has already done two tours in Utah. Leon Powe is our very own human victory cigar and Scot Pollard gives us 5 minutes every 3rd game due to injuries and general lack of effectiveness.
Here are some options if we go with a free agent.
If I were sending a wish list to the North Pole, it would start with a solid big man to back up Perkins and let KG stay away from defending the bruiser 5's in the league. Some name players available to help out at the 5 include Dale Davis and old friend Vitaly Potapenko. Some have speculated that Olowokandi won't be back because he wasn't a Garnett favorite in Minnesota. I don't know much about his game, but with his size and youth I'm not sure why Jackie Butler is still unemployed.
After that you get into the power forward options. These are less ideal because they don't do much to keep KG out of the paint. Then again, beyond Glen Davis, the other options at the 4 seem to be using Posey or Scalabrine in small lineups. So it wouldn't be bad to get another player in that rotation.
There is a lot of speculation that we still have an eye on PJ Brown, but I'm sure he has his eye on one last payday. You see, he could still be included in a sign-and-trade (perhaps by Chicago) to match salaries for a team looking to land a big name player at the deadline. He could net somewhere in the $6-9 million range just by extending his summer vacation well past the New Year. Even then he might be bought out and go to the team of his choice. If that happens or he doesn't mind taking the vet minimum, there are still other teams that would stand in line to secure his services for the rest of this year, including Detroit. He's probably the biggest name available, but that also makes him a pretty long shot.
There's a little speculation that we might go after Chris Webber. I don't really see it. I know he'd be a nice passer/scorer from the high post, but I don't think he's going to give us much with his age and injuries factored in.
Moving over to the point guard slot, there's always a chance the team could end the House/Tony Allen at backup point experiment and bring in a guy that can run an NBA offense. I think we've been down the Gary Payton road before and there may be too much history there for an amicable reunion. I don't see Earl Boykins as a legit option. He's too short, thinks he's a shooter, and has a reputation of being a little difficult. I think a prerequisite for any player to be considered is knowing their role and not trying to do too much. That might be why they passed on Brevin Knight as well. I don't really know why we never made a play for Beno Udrih as a backup point but clearly Danny wasn't interested for some reason.
I really can't imagine the team going for a shooting guard or small forward, but you never can say never with Danny boy. I would think that the acquisition of James Posey makes looking into Ruben Patterson a moot point. However, you can't convince Justin Poulin from Celtics Stuff Live that the team won't find a way to coax Reggie Miller out of retirement for a stretch run and one more shot at the playoffs. I am skeptical, but I admit we can't rule it completely out.
Just once I'd like to see them sign someone from overseas that actually sticks with the team (Batista just didn't play enough defense I guess). Maybe our friend Fabio can give us a list of names of guys that would be available at the right price.
My best guess is that the team will toy with the PJ Brown thing as long as they can but ultimately will sign a big man or two that we haven't even thought of yet. Don't forget that other teams will be looking to cut players by Dec. 20 to save some cash.
Now, what happens if the team pursues a trade? Perhaps a 1-for-2 or player and picks for a couple of players? That is a whole other Pandora's box. If I have time I'll look into some options, but for now feel free to discuss below.
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Antoine is logging the big DNP’s in Minnie. He’ll be back, if only for old times sake.
by Big Cat on Dec 18, 2007 8:24 PM EST reply actions
I like Brandon. He’ll get a chance somewhere.
This move signals a few things:
The team is in full win now mode. No time for developmental projects.
Danny has something in mind and he’s way ahead of everyone. I have no idea where this is leading.
Could it be they just want flexibility with the roster spot and didn’t want to lock in Wallace for the year? What I mean is, could they still pick him back up as a short term guy after the 20th? Is that allowed?
2 for 1 trade- hard to envision what that might be. Two free agents?
I’m stumped.
Slightly off topic, but maybe not. What is the state of the C’s current TV deal? The last ownership had taken most of the money up front leaving the C’s with little revenue for several years. With a new deal and their resurgence there would be pleanty of money to pay the luxury tax. I actually hope this the last year of the old deal, because they certainly are in a position to negotiate a favaorable deal. I am trying to figure out how cash starved operations is or is not. (yes the limiteds have money but running at a loss when you’re filling the Garden would give one pause).
Kurt Thomas would be a good backup for KG in 10-15 mpg. He’s a solid defensive player who can board & hit the elbow jumper.
As for the PG, I think Ainge is waiting for just the right vet. I’m guessing he didn’t want to sign anyone that would challenge Rondo for the starting spot, or tempt Doc into using the vet over Rajon. Brevin Knight would have been that vet. Beno Udrich isn’t better than Rondo.
I think Ainge is looking for someone like Cassell. Experienced, but will play a role.
Money not an option.
Brandon was released for another roster space.
I guess Brandon just got traded for a roster space to be named later.
by witkin on Dec 18, 2007 10:46 PM EST reply actions
Antoine is logging the big DNP’s in Minnie. He’ll be back, if only for old times sake.
BigCat, Antoine is not logging DNP-CD’s. He has a hurt ankle. Before the ankle injury, he was actually playing excellent ball for a couple straight weeks. Toine is not coming back to Boston. They are not going to buy him out.
KVH retired because he couldn’t get or stay healthy. Not much of an option.
Malik Rose is the Knick and he’s still a Knick until they waive him which is by no means a certain thing. Zeke likes what he brings to a combustible locker room. And even if they do waive him he’s Leon Powe with less mistakes except he’s lost nearly all of his athleticism. And I don’t like Leon Powe.
Kurt Thomas is starting for Seattle. He’s their only big man who plays defense and one of their few role model type vets. They need his experience and teaching for the youth there. They also need him to be competitive in games. And he’s an excellent trade asset right up until his contract expires. Unless Presti feels like being Father Xmas twice in one year I don’t see him letting Kurt go. And even if he does …. isn’t Phoenix at the front of the queue?
The Clippers look like they’ll be in the hunt for a playoff spot when Brand comes back and if they stay on track they’re not letting Sam Cassell go.
As for a 2-for-1 trade. Who are we giving up that has quality trade value? And how are we getting two guys of quality back?
We already had enough flexibility with an open roster space. This was all about saving money.
Well, if you think that cutting Brandon Wallace was strange, how about Memphis letting Terrence Kinsey go? Kinsey, you may recall, was the NBA rookie of the month last April, averaging over 18 ppg. He was making even less than Brandon Wallace and the Grizz are nowhere near the luxury tax threshhold. Plus, they already had an open space on their roster, just like the Celtics. So go figure.
If you look at the Celtics’ salary structure, you will quickly see that there is absolutely no way the Celtics could do a 2 for 1 or 3 for 2 trade that makes any sense (i.e. improves the team in any significant way) without trading Pierce or Ray Allen. Nor do I see an free agent out there who could crack the rotation. So the only conceivable explanation for cutting Wallace is to save the money.
Even though Walker is playing well as a bench presence for Minny, that doesn’t mean it’s a certainty that Toine won’t move on…just not to Boston. I kind of doubt he’d rather continue to languish two of the five years of basketball he’s got left in him in NBA Siberia(Minnesota).
though it would be nice to see him back averaging 10.4 off the Celtics bench as opposed to Minny’s…
Two roster spots, huh…..
My my guess/my hope is a trade’s coming. I still say we need to get Tony Allen outta here. I say you trade TA and a pick or cash or something for two players – decent pg and big man. Throw Powe in there too, he’s not playin much and I’m sure someone around the league must like him
Danny’s been always one or two steps ahead of all of us. I’m pretty sure he’s working on something. With the willingness the owners have shown to spent money I don’t think Wallace’s low salary makes the difference. There must be something else. Only Danny knows.
I wonder how is Kelvin Cato. I mean, is he the lazy and out-of-shape version we saw in Orlando or the 7-foot defensive presence he was in Houston? Cato in shape is an ideal fit because of his size, his rebounding, his shot-bloking ability and his experience. The only problem is his attitude, and Danny doesn’t seem to like to take too many risks with character issues.
by V_for_verde on Dec 19, 2007 6:52 AM EST reply actions
Regarding the overseas idea: I don’t know of any decent (to say nothing of NBA backup level) who are about to be released in Europe. Although, As a Maccabi fan – if you want Marcus Fizer – you can have him… ;)
Personally, i like the Jackie Butler idea the most. He’s young, strong and can bang around just about anyone in the league.
We don’t need anything right now. We are 20-2 and there is more risk to damaging the karma than improving it with who is out there.
It is what they say it is….flexibility. We don’t know who or if someone goes down.
I liked the idea that Walace could be a defensive tweener but this means that Danny didn’t think so and Danny has been right on with his picks. (Even Telfair is showing real value but we held the better value – Rondo)
I think another shooter/scorer off the bench plus a big man would round out the roster nicely. Cassell only gets in the way of eddie and eddie is playing so well that I would hate to see him lose minutes. rggie miller would be ideal for the stretch run. I’m concerned about ray allen; he hasn’t shot well and he’s hurt. he’s better than delonte, wally or jeff green at this point but I think we overpaid for him. still, wihtout him you don’t get Garnett so you have to look at that too. I love everything else about Ray and hope that he starts knocking down shots but if there were one major area of concern to me it would be that we need another shooter off the bench.
I cannot believe this is solely a $$$ issue. Ainge is not so shortsighted as to give up on a guy he so clearly saw potential in for the limited savings this cut brings. Ainge may not have anything specific in mind right now, but this move was clearly for future froster lexibility – and by future I mean the near future (this season).


































