Trade Idea of the Day - 2/17

Realistic proposal…DO IT Danny!

understand the thought behind protected number 1 pick, but with PP & wally back, celts likely to win enough games to end up w/ 4th-7th pick anyway.

so ultimately trade is gasol for green, gomes, perk,& 5th pick (al horford?).

focusing on oden or durant is wasted energy. the probability (7-15% chance) is not worth rooting for.

then what do you do, let stoudamire take up all Rondo’s minutes? how do you stop someone on the block with AJ and Pau? it makes this team relevant, but they’d be awful defensively and they wouldnt matter come playoff time.

I’m too high on G-Money to like this trade. And, sorry guys, but trading for Gasol now, could cost us Greg Oden!!
BTW, I do this trade if you put D.West instead of Green.

I did forget:
Memphis do not want another swingman like GG; maybe they are looking for a true PG (Rondo? Telfair?)

I’m not in favor of bringing Gasol here. He would be a stopgap. And I’m not in favor of trading the 2007 pick, even if top 3 protected. Next year’s draft could be very strong as well, with the likes of OJ Mayo coming out.

Sure, Memphis would do that deal in a heartbeat, because two years from now everyone will loook back on it and realize that Boston was raped.

Like the trade! I would like it even more if we could get top 2 protection on the pick. Or swap Gomes for Delonte. But if this was the trade that brought Gasol to Boston. I would be all for it.

This is just a repeat of the discussions around Iverson. Everyone wants the quick fix, the big name. Look at the Nuggets record since the Iverson deal.

Gasol has never won a playoff game in his life. I don’t want him. And he doesn’t want the Celtics either.

It’s really easy to say, “let’s rip off Memphis and somehow get Jerry West to give Gasol away” and then ask why anyone wouldn’t want to do it. However, that is not based in reality.

How is our pick worth as much as you claim if we acquire Gasol? We’d play ourselves away from any good shot at Oden or Durant, and Memphis knows it. So West would never make that trade assuming it will lead to Oden or Durant. Their best chance at the top pick is still their own pick, not ours.

And you’re being ridiculously homer-ish if you believe we’re just one move away. One move away from making the playoffs NEXT YEAR, perhaps. But there’s a difference between that and being a real contender. And I like how you mention offense but conveniently forget defense, like every other Gasol-booster.

We don’t need to get any younger than we already are.
Do it.

Let’s talk about the difference about the difference between “quick fix” and “patience.” I mean, come on, quick fix? This team will NEVER get a quick fix, certainly not with Gasol. But it makes us better, brings in a vet, a vet big, consolidates our talent, quality over quantity, addresses a need, you name it.
Folks, at some point, you gotta look at these young guys and LET GO! Maybe not Al and Green together (I LOVE Big Al), but sooner or later you have to decide what you’re wiilling to give up to get a quality player. That was the plan all along, right? Even while insisting that Gasol’s not the entire answer to our woes, I’m so tire of kicking the can further down the road by waiting for another draft through which to build — and which the chances slim to snag one of the saviors at that!
If that makes me impatient, color me red, then.
Do it.

They have a 50% shot at Oden or Durant, not a marginal shot. And I wouldn’t mind a shot at someone good next year.

Gasol is a soft cry baby. Let him go to Chicago. We don’t need him here.

The problem is, the pick we are giving up decreases in value after we deal it. If we keep it, the pick is worth more. So it is logical that we keep the pick. It only makes sense to deal for Gasol if you believe 1) we really have to win now or 2) Ainge is not going to get a good player with whatever pick he ends up with or 3) the pick we end up with will not be able to net a similar player later once order is determined.

Now, I’m inclined to believe we are not in any rush to win now, and also that Gasol, while talented, is not a rare talent, and that Ainge will not blow the pick. That’s why I want to keep the pick. The fact that Oden and Durant may come out seals the deal for me.

Anyway, Gasol doesn’t want to come here so it’s a moot point.

I’d also like the Gasol boosters to tell me exactly how we will manage the salary cap if Pierce, Gasol, Jeff, and Wally are all making big money in 08-09. Then in the future, how are we going to add talent with Pierce, Gasol, Jeff, and Perk taking up $50 million and more until the 2010-2011 season. Is the rest of our roster going to be rookies and 2nd round picks? You can only have so many players on big money deals, which is why it’s important that your franchise players be worth the money. I don’t think Gasol is a final piece so it’s not worth the investment right now.

“Now, I’m inclined to believe we are not in any rush to win now…”
No rush. Just been 20 years. Ainge has been here, what, about four years?
No rush. Take your time. We’ll be here. waiting.
Like for Godot.

Big Easy, the last 20 years are not relevant. We can only look at the team and situation we have now. There is a risk to every move you make, even ones that seem like they are helping the team.

Generally speaking, if you have a low draft pick you just do not deal it away, even for some who’s 26 years old, and especially not for someone in their late 20s/early 30s. The chance to 1) get a franchise player, and 2) have him for four years on a relatively cheap deal is just so valuable, much more valuable than a player who is making max money and is a good player, but not great.

The T-Wolves are a team obssessed with winning now all the time and see where it’s gotten them? They have almost no pieces left to deal and they’re still just a mediocre team.

If you take a stab at the top, you have to make sure you make it, otherwise it will have been a wasted effort and could damage your cap situation significantly. The Bulls are now ready to take that stab, our team is not.

20 years is 20 years, I don’t care who was running the team and when.

If people think Gasol is soft and can’t guard anybody well Al can’t guard a chair! That’s why he has to play center. He gets rebounds (who’s his competition? Gomes, Perk?)and he can score in the post sometimes. But oh yeah, he’s so young and only going to get better! If we want to wait until we stumble across the final piece to the puzzle (assuming it’s not Gasol) ??? we will be waiting forever. KG isn’t walking through that door folks. Neither is Amare, Tim, Dwight, etc. So we wait for the draft then and if we do not end up with Oden or Durant, what happens? Another 20 years of waiting for the right pieces to align properly? I say grab Pau and go forward and then make other moves as necessary (there may not have to be as many as you think). Walking away from Iverson is one thing. A 26 year old legit big man is another. They don’t grow on trees. And what’s the guarantee that if we get Oden that he leads us to #17? Everyone is putting a ton of expectations on him that he is the savior. He could just fall short as others have. Ewing never won a title. Mourning didn’t win one by himself. I hope for Oden’s sake that if he comes to Boston that he doesn’t let us down or he’ll be crucified by the media and fans alike as all our hero’s eventually do.

Gasol has spirit, something much people cannot presume of…go for him…he is a proven big man…allstar in the west…I think the celtics are a better team with him than with Pierce…there are not many Gasols, there are more Pierces…he´s younger and Pierce will be done by the time we are really a contender team…I definately would trade for Gasol even if I had to say goodbye Mr. Pierce…

I really could care less if we got Gasol. I would only get him if we gave up a Telfair, Theo, a 6 pack of beer and yoyo and and the rights to date my friends sister. She is cute when she shaves you facial hair. Think about it. Mem. stick with Gasol. Danny fire Doc and stay the course…Oden, Durant or not. Teamwork is the way to win in the future. Back to oldtime Celtics basketball.

Wow, the arguments are now down to “Gasol has spirit”. Any more intangible characteristics we should base trades on now? Getting Gasol would be a “quick fix” because he wouldn’t make the Celtics a championship team. That’s all there is to it. If you’re happy winning 50 games in a weak east and not even sniffing the Larry O’Brien, then you should be all for this deal. If you want #17, you should forget the name Pau Gasol, because he’s not good enough to bring it home, not with Pierce and a bunch of scrubs behind them.

We better hope that: 1) we land the #1 or #2 pick; 2) Oden and Durant come out; 3) Oden or Durant are not being coached by Doc; 4) Oden or Durant fit well with Jefferson, and 5) Oden or Durant don’t take 3 or 4 years to SIGNIFICANTLY contribute. Not that worried about 4 or 5, but the stars need to align correctly on the “stay the course” strategy.

Then again, Gasol probably doesn’t want to play here and he hasn’t looked the same since coming back from the injury. He’s had some terrible shooting games this year and his lack of defense has never been more evident. Some of this is probably due to his displeasure with the franchise, but I can’t see his attitude suddenly improving with the C’s.

Good comments by posters concerning the salary implications of Pierce, Gasol and Wally if this deal did happen.

Also, I’d rather include West in the proposed deal than Gomes. The Grizzlies would probably like another PG anyway. Not a big fan of Stoudamire either. The idea of him “mentoring” Rondo and Telfair sounds frightening. I’d get rid of Green and Perk without hesitation. I just don’t see either one becoming a major contributer. Neither of them have good basketball instincts and I’m not sure additional experience will compensate for that.

I might consider this trade if it was the ‘08 pick instead of ’07. This draft is just too deep. You just can’t pass on a shot at a guy like Durant, no way, no how, and even if we get Noah, I think he’s going to be a very good one. I’m fine parting with Green. He has some trade value (not as much as people think) and he has shown a willingness to work and a strong desire to be good. That’s what will save him from Kedrick-itis, but I’m not sure he will reach his max upside, which I think is Rashard Lewis-ish. He’s a better athlete and shooter than Lewis, but doesn’t have a scorer’s knack that a guy like Pierce has.

i just cant wait for gasol to land in chicago…in three years this is how the trade will look, why trade two superstars (Green and Oden/Durant) for a whiney Spaniard. What the hell are we trying to do, were combining the two best players from the two worst teams in the league!!! And people think THAT Is gonna win us a championship! hahahaha

Bdo

I just cant wait for us not to get Oden and Durant in the draft. Why bank your entire future of your franchise on a 46% chance of getting 2 guys whove never set foot on an NBA court? What the hell are we doing playing scratch tickets? People think that THAT is the way to a championship. HAHAHAHAHa