Another "Moral Victory"

With all the individual breakouts and the distinct lack of wins, you’d imagine that coaching would have something to do with the failures, wouldn’t you? Who is our coach in 2007-2008? Thoughts?

Doc really deserves a shot at the NBA record. Detroit on the road is a sure loss. Only 9 more after that. But hey, Doc has done a great job. GREAT job.

Detroit and Miami sure losses, next chance at a W a week from tonight against NJ

Rondo has arrived ya’ll

rondo
pierce
green
jeff
oden
FUTURE!!!!

Wally – King of the Losing Streak. Never have I seen someone make late game 3’s that have no bearing on the game as often as he does. He sucks. He should be conviced to retire. Either that or ship him out with Telfairy.

Rondo – tonight was the first game of a long streak of starts for the Celtics. Thats the only bright spot for tonight.

Message to Celtics Media Dept…Please pull those lame Telfair commercials. The guy plays for 2 min. The only ‘Telfair Day’ he’s going to get is when he’s traded.

Thats great, so have Al, Delonte, Gomes, and Green, and yet 14 and counting. It is exciting that Rondo played well, after all he is 20 and a rookie, but good god, we weren’t that close to winning again tonight…

“Moral victory?” Look, SOMEONE has to take the shots and get the rebounds. It doesn’t mean the team is any good. And does it occur to anyone that after you lose 20 or 22 out of 24 games, sometimes the numbers the kids put up are because no one really takes them seriously? Why should they? Any decent team knows they can turn one the jets at the end of a game and beat us.

One other thing that bears saying: winning isn’t some natural progression for a team, as long as you’ve got decent players. For most of their history, the Clippers have been proof of that. Winning is part experience, part talent, and part learned response. The fact that the kids put in some effort and occasionally pull to within hailing distance of better teams doesn’t naturally mean they’ll turn into winners.

Wrong, we were close, then the coaching staff decided to put Wally in.

And that list above should read,
Rondo
West
Pierce
Durant
Jefferson

What is the NBA record for consecutive losses?

Why is Wally getting minutes over Green?

Why haven’t we had the same rotation once this entire season?

Best game I’ve seen Rondo play, but how many layups did he miss 5? 6? Layups are like free throws, when you get them, you’ve got to make them.

Look on the bright side at least we arent…

Nevermind.

With each loss, Doc is solidifying his place in the record books as the worst coach in Celtics history. We saw glimpses of his talent in Orlando, but I, for one, had no idea that he would become a Celtic legend.

Great game by Rondo, too bad it didn’t translate into a win though. And another double double for Delonte! I love that kid. He should have gotten more touches..almost a triple double

Wally can’t move…He shouldn’t be playing…You can see it on his face…Doc is putting him in and feeding him to the sharks…His wheels are flat…He should be resting and getting his legs under him again…It’s a pity!
But it’s really nice to see Rondo coming around…We just have to sit tight…We have nearly all the pieces in place.

so pissed. so pissed this celtics team set this record. So angry. Draft 2007 1st pick overall? Thats f-ing awesome, but not right now. So pissed when this losing team couldnt gather thier crap together and do somethin decent. Screw these guys. Screw danny Screw Doc screw the crew…bucha wussses. Really angry.

p_dawg said it well, “someone has to take the shot and get the rebounds”… 14 in a row shows that we are really bad at the moment no matter the individual stats or the so-called development

I think that may have been the worst game I’ve seen Gerald play during the streak. He was just flat out awful. Him and the rest of the bench were just awful. And that was the difference in the game.

Another thought about Wally. Near the end of the game, when Jefferson went to the line, the broadcast showed Wally coming in for Gomes. Then the camera went back to Jefferson on the line and the camera caught Jefferson seeing the change up and had a pissed/disgusted look on his face.

Maybe I’m reading into it, but to me, even the players notice that Wally wont help them.

cos is right. the second he put wally in the game in the 4th quarter it was over. i am not blaming wally- he is hurt. it’s doc the schmuck. rondo was on fire and played good d. where were kandi and powe? i’d say the schmuck is tanking, but he was making dumb moves way before the injuries-like 3 years worth.

brick and master po’s hate for Rondo is just going to be legendary I guess no matter how great he becomes. Its not a west vs rondo thing guys and never was. GET OVER IT

oh yeah and now we will get a “gee wizz we like rondo”..uh maybe reviewing archives will help. In any case, I like West but he isn’t our future point guard.

We can all argue about which 5 guys deserve to be in the Hall of Fame in ten years. Soon to be World beaters…..

We are not that bad….even though I’d like to see them end up with 1-3 picks in the draft….we are young and we are developing….

Look the other teams that lost like this were veteran teams that really stunk up the joint……

At least what your getting here is the bright future….it’s not bright presently thats all……

After the season ends, we should see Danny really get to work and put this team right where it belongs again…

The only question I still have is Doc….part of me wants to give him a shot next year…..It’s never easy for a coach dealing with the youth of players while the rest of the league is more or Veteran players…….

The problem is the kids are not listening and doing what there are told…

We’ll be fine……

cos,

your not reading into it…I saw it too and said oh my god…..GOOD FOR AL……. he has heart and that’s what this team needs…. a fighter like AL

For AL so young to be able to do that, means that he is beginning to come into his own and once Pierce gets back…..that will be a good combination

Ancient, I never said it was a bad thing. Actually I loved it, gave me more reason to believe that the coaching staff will go before Jefferson goes.

I do hate this losing streak and all, and Im glad Pierce is coming back, but everyone needs to realize that this draft class, along with this dreadful record, is way too much to pass up for some extra wins. Ideally, we get a good to great pick, and make changes on the edges with the expiring contracts and some fringe youth players and build around Pierce, Rondo, Jefferson, and said draft pick. Add a decent vet or two to that core, along with whatever youth we have left puts us back in the playoffs with a much bigger future outlook.

The record and the lottery depth is too much to pass on.

Moral Victory? Jeff, this has to be a joke, right? I was there tonight for history. I was also there for the greatest plaloff comeback in NBA history versus the Nets. Guess which was better. Wally = Horrible. Scals = It is really sad that he was our starting forward. Gerald = invisible and little playing time tonight — WHY? Perkins = might as well not get off the bench. Rondo was good tonight. Gomes was good. West was good and Jefferson was good. Guess what, they lost by 11. No opponents are taking this team seriously. They play hard for 10-15 minutes and they win the game. The franchise is officially a joke. I am guessing I will be looking at the potential of 17 in a row when I attend next Friday’s game. A DISGRACE.

Rivers’ tenure as Boston coach has been about as successful as Bush’s policy in Iraq.

Hmmm… we suck.

Look at the bright side. There is no way they can lose again until next Tuesday. And maybe over the weekend Grousbeck will come on the radio and tell some jokes.

rondo
dwest
pierce
gomes
big al
we’ll see this soon . . . . and well see some W’s . . and the koolaid will be sipped once again

Rondo, dwest, pierce, gomes and big Al. Then the bench comes in and gives up the lead — every game.

Green may not have played well, but that dunk sure was impressive.

Thats sad. my opinion is this guy hasnt showed up at all. every game, theres at least 2 plays where he loses his man and the guy cuts to the rim for an easy 2. We can’t be hanging on to a dunk. He’s got to perform and soon or he’s trade fodder.

Been a while since I last visited Celticsblog. I’m depressed. I have even stopped listening to the games on Sirius which is the only way I get the games. My confidence in everything associated with this team, from the owners to the players, is shot. Now I know how Devil Rays fans feel.

   Lots of guys are getting their moments, but the TEAM can’t play. Rondo was exciting despite missing some chippy layups, but he should get a mulligan for his first start. Getting to the basket is more important. At least he’s not stopped by that fence around the paint that Telfair sees.
   Losing takes away a lot of scrappiness and edgyness, and creates that climate for losing more. Here’s hoping PP is really the cavalry for these guys.

Everyone wants the top pick in the draft. Well this is what you gotta go thru to get there! What I worry about is that on our journey to the #1 pick we now have the “loser” mentality that has crept into every pore of this franchise. We are young so we lose, we can’t play D, so we lose, we have injuries, so we lose. I recall that the Clippers used to be the joke of the NBA as they would be in the lottery every year (sometimes high lottery) and still lose every year. Look at the Hawks, look at the Bulls from 1999-2004. It takes more than adding lottery picks. Oden well may be great but I’d be surprised if he by himself turns this franchise around. Duncan was an abberation. He joined a playoff caliber team led by David Robinson and Sean Elliott who had been hurt the prior year. Duncan is a great player but could he have turned an expansion team around by himself? Maybe. I’m all for getting Oden but I hope we can surround him with some experience, not put all the eggs in his basket and expect him to lead us to the promised land by himself. That’s a lot of pressure on one kid’s shoulders.

I’m looking at the greta drafts in history, particularly 1999 and 1984, arguably the 2 best. (84 had 4 HOF with Akeem, MJ, Barkley and Stckton, and 99 had Brand, Odom, Francis, Baron Davis, Shawn Marion, and many regular players on todays teams) Even those drafts had significant mistakes. 1984 of course had MJ taken after Sam Bowie, but Mel Turpin was #6. In 1999, Wally and Jonathion Benderwere taken ahead of Shawn Marion and Andre Miller. Sometimes its health, and sometimes its in the head, and sometimes its just a bad evaluation of talent , but its not a given that Celtics will get a franchise player, particularly after #2. Like many here, this season is alre4ady in the crapper, and I’m looking for a silver lining, which appears to be the draft, but I’d much rather see this team get on a roll after PP gets back and see some winning and great team basketball. If they could win 17-18 of their last 30 games, I’d be a lot more excited over the summer than losing and getting the 3rd or 4th pick. Even Durant may be 3 years before he’s a star( and he WILL be a star) and I’m not sure the Celtics can wait. Oden can probably move right in and start and get 10 rebounds a night and 10-12 pts, but Ainge isn’t going to wait around for Brandon Wright or Noah to get strong enough to help us.

The losing will continue until Rivers is gone and the Celtics hire someone who can coach. It’s as simple as that. We can discuss what this individual player did wrong, or that player did wrong ad nauseum, but it won’t make any difference. They suck as a team. Good coaches teach teams how to win. Bad coaches make excuses.

This team can’t defend a chair. They don’t practice defense, they don’t understand defense, they have no commitment to defense. You can’t routinely give up 35 point quarters (1st quarter against the Lakers) and 33 point quarters (4th quarter against the Clippers) and expect to win NBA games.

And the losing isn’t going to stop. There is a very good chance that this team will break the NBA record for futility. Most coaches would have been fired a month ago, if only to shake things up. Some coaches would resign out of sheer embarrassment, but not Rivers. He doesn’t think its his fault.

Grousbeck and Ainge have only themselves to blame for this ongoing fiasco. As far as I’m concerned, they can both go to China and stay there.

lost in this slide is the injury to Perk….he has been rendered pretty much useless. Even though he hasn’t shown us much this year, I think that he’ll be a good player alongside a developed Big Al. Pretty tough to have any ups with plantar fac….
A couple of questions:
1.) Why are they playing him? Isn’t that aggravating the injury?
2.) Why doesn’t someone show him how to set a good pick at the top of the key, he’s always in motion and it is rarely a suitable pick to work from.
3.) Is there hope for full recovery?

kids, I was wondering the same thing. They should be sitting Perk, unless his issue now is lack of conditioning. I think his foot still bothers him, based on his lack of any lift. It makes zero sense to be playing him at all. Give his minutes to Powe.

Brick, our losing streak has maybe 1% due to doc, 1% due to demoralized players, 1% due to youth, and 97% due to significant injuries. Even without Paul, does anyone on this board seriously beleive that we would have lost this long with a healthy Tony Allen still playing? Even a healthy Wally would have given us a break from this streak at some point. This biggest gripe against Doc was not playing our favorite players, Jefferson, Green and Rondo. Well those guys are getting plenty of minutes with one big fat 14 game losing streak to show for it.

Considering the value we placed on these kids, they should be good enough to avoid a losing streak this long. We overvalued them and I hope that it is all Doc’s fault so a new coach can get them to the level we believe they can reach. If that doesn’t work, then we’re doomed!

No, it’s 80% Rivers, 20% injuries. They were a disorganized, bad team before the injuries. They have a poorly designed offense that every team has scouted (hence they are incredibly turnover prone), no fast break, and they are one of the worst defensive teams in the league. They can’t score against a zone, and they can’t play a decent zone.I could bore everyone for hours with a detailed critique of their defensive schemes (or lack thereof).

Of course, if Rivers is fired they’ll just hire Beetlejuice to replace him and nothing much will change. They are too cheap to hire a real coach (who will want a premium to sort out this mess) while Rivers’ contract is still on the books.

There is no hope until they find a competent coach. None.

Just another night in the life of fantanking. Solid loss..

Doc is doing a horrible job as always. Perkins and Wally clearly should not playing for health reasons. Neither one is bad as they look. A heatlhy back up is better than a hurt starter anyday. How can Doc not understand that?

I’m ready to conceed that Doc’s job is made harder and easier with all of these injuries,
It’s harder to win games when 3 of your starting 5 players aren’t playing because of injuries.
So for that reason its easier to forgive Doc for losing some of those close games.
However Doc isn’t a grade A coach if you ask me,
Wally is a horrible defensive player and barely an average player when his shot isn’t falling, so playing him for as many minutes as Doc gives him irks me badly. Playing Wally with the other 4 players is like playing 4 against 5 basketball, that’s how bad he is when he can’t guard anyone and when his shot isn’t falling and his shot hasn’t been falling for the last couple of months.
Someone on the coaching staff needs to tell Gerald Green that he needs to take his man off the dribble a lot more than what he’s been doing. Gerald is playing scared to make a mistake basketball and therefore he’s making a lot of mistakes. So for that reason Doc yanks him out of the games because Gerald hardly contributes anything except for some ocassional jump shots. Gerald has so little positive effect on the court he has to be taken out.
Rondo is turning out to be the point guard of the future for the C’s.
Rondo is a player that effects the game offensively and defensively he’s going to be a great Celtic player.
Next years line up could be like this Rondo and Allen, two great defensive players, Jefferson and Pierce two great offensive players, Pierce the roaming scoring forward and Jefferson the low post scorer.
Olden at center gobbling up rebounds like nobody’s business, not to mention he’ll be healthy enough to play with both of his hands and scoring whenever he wants to or needs to. If they happen to get Durant he will average at least 18ppg and 12rpg and will still be in the improvement mode for the next couple of years.
Boston could and should easily win at least 50 games next year.
And they will have one very good bench