Q & A With A European Celtics Fan
As you are probably aware, the Celtics will be spending a week of training camp in lovely Italy next year. David Stern has been championing his dream to make the NBA a truly global game (a trend that was essentially started by the late Red Auerbach many years ago). Fans of the NBA are sprouting up all over the world and they are starting to let their voice be heard on blogs.
I had the privilage to exchange emails with Fabio of Italian Celtics Pride. I wanted to get a feel for how Italians (and perhaps by extension all Europeans) view the NBA. The following is a Q&A:
What is it like being a Celtics fan in Europe?
Easier than it was 25 years ago, that’s for sure. Back in the ‘80s you had to be a diehard fan to wake up in the middle of the night, turn on your radio and tune it to the American Forces Network frequencies, but the reward was the scratching voice of Johnny Most telling you the tales of the Green Knights in their perpetual quest for the Holy Trophy. Television networks would only air one NBA game per week, except for the Finals that gained more respect year after year, until they were finally aired live in the mid-eighties. Just in time to provide one of the most thrilling entertainments in the history of the NBA, the famous 7-game series between the Celtics and the Lakers.
Back then there were only a few magazines talking about the NBA, and they would eventually devote a few articles to what was going in the United States, and that kept Euro fans salivating for news and photos. In the ‘90s, with the constant “globalization†of the National Basketball Association and the birth of the World Wide Web, it became easier to feel the pulse of the Boston Celtics.
At first it was the official sites of sports magazines or TV networks, but soon after a plethora of Celtics-related newsletters and sites began quenching the Euro fans’ thirst for news. Fans started gathering in newsletters, and the boldest even provided live play-by-play coverage of the games they could watch living in the proximity of a U.S. military base (in my case that’s Aviano airport).
That’s how we lived the 2002 and 2003 playoff pushes, in a wave of thrill the Celtics fans hadn’t endured in about twenty years. By then it was easy to find tapes (and later DVD’s) of the games. Some fans would buy the games from Pontel and later ship them back and forth to other fans that joined the “net†to see the games and judge what was going on. That’s why when some American friend objects that being a “EuroCeltic†is somewhat lesser than being a Boston-based fan, we answer by saying that being a fan in America is easy. You have the papers, the TIVO, the radio shows, all the commodities.
Here in Europe, people go to sleep at 9 p.m. to wake up at 2 a.m. If we are lucky, we find a way to watch the game in a small blurry window on the computer’s desktop. If we are not, we’ll just lean on the nba.com play-by-play until the wee hours. An American fan may take for granted the opportunity to buy a ticket to go to the TD Banknorth Garden and root for the Green, but for us the banners and the “Mystique†of the “Gahden†represent a far away dream, a “once-in-a-lifetime†opportunity which will generate some good-natured envy in the rest of the European Celtics community, once we are back to our country.
What do European Celtics fans think about the team now?
There’s a vast majority who would unceremoniously dump Coach Rivers right away. They concede he is good at motivating people and at keeping the boat en route in the worst storms, but they question his rotations, his defence and his capability to lead the team out of the muddy bottom of the standings. They were willing to see something more than what they have seen, even with the hard luck of this season, pointing out that with Paul Pierce in action Boston was still 10-14.
The old cliché of the passionate Latino fan this time suits perfectly, as they seem to consider Rivers’ shortcomings instead of trying to consider the difficulty of coaching a quite unstable roster filled with inexperienced players and marred by in incredible chain of injuries. A portion of the European press immediately attacked Danny Ainge because they didn’t like his aggressive style as a player (extending that judgement to his managerial skills). However, he has regained some credibility with his draft picks. Celtics fans here received a negative imprinting, though, and the lack of signing an impact free agent and a couple of questionable trades that did not improve the team hurt Danny’s cause. Right now, after Al Jefferson has made some strides and with flashes of brilliance shown by some of the other kids European fans are cutting him some slack, but the 2007 draft will be a crucial point in his tenure. In Europe, Paul Pierce is widely considered the only Celtic who is worth the Mystique. Where a lot of U.S. Celtics fans underline his lack of leadership and his being incapable to push the team as Bryant did with the Lakers, in Italy there are only a handful of fans willing to load that burden on the Captain’s shoulders. Pierce is something else, the last icon in a gallery where most of the photographs are black and white, and even the color photos are yellowing because of passing time.
As a matter of fact, most of the European fans don’t speak English well enough to understand the nuances of the forest of NBA-related American sites and blogs. That is the reason for the success of European based portals like the one which gave birth to Italian Celtics Pride, the site I directed for about two years with a good friend of mine, Leonardo Ancilli. Italian NBA magazines are quite reliable; although they have lost most of the impact they had until the early ‘90s when they represented the main source of NBA information. This is because they are obviously bound to print news and comments that are often excelled by many Internet writers. This has created a stir lately both in the U.S.A. (Sam Smith) and in Italy (Franco Montorro, director of the American Superbasket best selling magazine), but instead of putting the obscure work of the web writers at its place, it has implicitly admitted the growth of the importance of the Internet sites.
What are the Euro-Leagues like?
European basketball leagues have a smaller market than the NBA (and less money available) and they are structured in a different way than the U.S. sports. In fact, where in the NBA you only need to be “accepted†by the league to build your own expansion team; here the leagues are structured in a pyramidal environment where the best teams advance to the next level. To make things clear, it would be as if the team that wins the Developmental League was allowed to play in the NBA, while the worst NBA team was demoted to the NBDL until it proves it is worthy of returning to the main show. That’s exactly the way most of the sports leagues are run in Europe.
Of course, there are no “draft nights†here. The best teams run their own farm teams and gather young talent. The leagues are divided on the basis of age, going from “Minibasket†(for kids 5-12 years old) to the “Juniores†(18 years old). The best players in these farm teams usually make their way to the main team, and the better they are, the sooner they’ll reach it: Drazen Petrovic debuted in his Sibenka first team at the age of 15.
Now, while the NBA was channelling its efforts towards improving the individual marketing and christened even some playing rules to focus on the one-on-one play, the European basketball pyramidal system preserved its team oriented brand of ball because young players continued to join more experienced players who taught them the nuances of the pro ball and helped them to correct the most naïve aspects of their game (that’s why the Nowitzki’s, the Bargnani’s and the Parker’s always seem more experienced than their American counterparts, when they reach the NBA).
Until the early ‘90s, only the best Euro players could have made it to “The Showâ€, but the watering down of the NBA and the contrast between the European team-oriented game and the rise of the Michael Jordan’s clones in the U.S.A. have created a situation where any NBA General Manager seriously thinks about Euro players to round up his roster, even if success isn’t always guaranteed.
What do Italian fans think of Andrea Bargnani?
Andrea Bargnani here is highly considered but only in the basketball communities, and this does not come as a surprise: Pau Gasol and Jorge Garbajosa in Spain or Tony Parker in France are stars which shine less than their soccer counterparts Zinedine Zidane, Ronaldinho and Buffon. In Europe soccer is still the biggest game. Soccer is bigger than every other sport and capable of drawing crowds a-la NFL playoffs for 20-25 home games per season, and 10-15 thousand season tickets sold by the best teams.
That’s why even the biggest stars of the NBA have to take the backseat when compared to the soccer greats. The only basketball Euro star whose leverage is as big as his soccer counterparts is Dirk Nowitzki, but Germany has a long tradition of fans being drawn from one sport to another by the heat of the moment as soon as a winner pops up: Boris Becker in tennis and Michael Schumacher in Formula 1 racing are clear examples.
In Italy, the first two NBA players Stefano Rusconi and Vincenzo Esposito didn’t prompt local television stations to air live games of their teams, while German Uwe Blab and Detlef Schrempf managed the feat. Now in Italy there is an undeniable interest towards the Toronto Raptors, but it is a sort of curiosity to see if the young buck can become one of the actors starring under the shiny lights of the “Viva Las Vegas†NBA.
Thanks Fabio! Once again, Fabio’s blog is called Italian Celtics Pride. You can be sure he will be paying attention when the team comes over for a visit during training camp next fall.
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Well, back when I was still an ‘Euro fan’ myself, rooting for the Celtics was limited to box scores, the Herald and the Globe. Of course that was in 1997, before the blog boom, so it was a bit hard to find organized fan communities on the www.
I am now back to Europe for a year, and to put things into perspective, all sorts of coverage is more readily avaiable, including video, fan reactions, etc. A huge part of that is the wonderful job Jeff’s doing in keeping Celticsblog.com as a single, up-to-date portal, which aside from letting us all rant on the current state of affairs at the Garden, but also serves as a starting point to all relevant locations on the net. Kudos, Jeff! Keep up the good work.
Grande Fabio, nice to read you again soon as possible.
I’m italian too, and our best promising player is Gallinari, a sort of Peja Stojakovic with moch more killer instinct and he’s only 18.
by Michele on Feb 28, 2007 8:16 AM EST reply actions
I think the idea of moving teams from 1 league to another is a cool idea (not that it would ever work here) But could you imagine if the worst team in the east and west had to play in the d-league and the 2 best from the d-league got to play in the nba each year. How crazy would that be? talk about teams never “tanking” again!
In the late 60’s G.I.s in Europe could follow Boston sports through mail-delayed Boston newspapers. Back then the Globe had the best coverage and one had to be a patient and diehard Celtic fan to wait for their 3 week old copy. The Globe made it easy to purchase for G.I.s, the price not much higher than postage.
But back then the Celtics were coming off a period of utter domination in basketball, a far cry from the today’s decline. The lustre and myth were still strong which definitely helped generate European interest (the mystique of a winner gravitated fan curiosity).
I doubt if today’s Celtic teams, if not for globilization, would warrant the slighest interest if not for their illustrious past. It’s probably why so many of us here today hang onto our team, like a parent patiently waiting for the return of a wayward child.
by moskqq on Feb 28, 2007 8:41 AM EST reply actions
dear Friens Fabio, nice to read your Q & A on celticsblog.com.
by Trinità on Feb 28, 2007 10:03 AM EST reply actions
Nice to see this from a fellow European.
I saw Rubio a few times this season. It is really unbelievable how a 16 year-old can play in Euroleague. Definitely the best in the world at his age. I couldn`t believe when I saw the boxscores for U-16 european championships…triple double, quadriple double, I have never seen domination like this…best prospect since Drazen Petrovic.
Interesting part is that he leades Euroleague in steals and is a phenomenal defender and his weakness is offense! His shooting isn`t the best, so I am eager to see how he developes this part of his game in the future.
How can a one-dimensional 16 year old player be the best in the world? Don’t we have a similar “faulted” player in Rondo or is there still a marked difference in talent? Remember too that Rondo is (supposedly) playing against stiffer competition. I don’t quite understand the “triple-double, quadriple-double” tag on a player weak on offense or was that “weakness” an overstatement?
by moskqq on Feb 28, 2007 1:21 PM EST reply actions
Hi again from Spain!!
I wrote some posts in the past and i’m back after logged in.
It’s always interesting to see that you’re not the only dump waking up at 2 AM to see my C’s last lost on the play-by-play ;)
So, I wanna answer the two “Spanish Questions” from Eeyore III:
1. Splitter is playing for Tau, one of the best teams in Europe, and he has to share playing time, with other players like Scola, Teletovic(another prospect) & Peker. He is putting up the same numbers than last year with less minutes so i don’t think is a lowdown. And Tau’s star is not him, is Luis Scola, so the ball goes to him the major part of the possesions.
2. Ricky Rubio is really amazing, trust me. I live 20 km away from his town and i’ve looked him play lots of times in the pasts years, and he is the real deal. He’s a 6-3 (but he can grow up) PG with very long arms, amazing court vision and very tough defender.
The U-16 Euro Champ was unbelievable, I can’t remember an exhibition of dominance like that never, of any player at any age. The Final was amazing, it’s really difficult to me to explain only by words what i saw that evening, with Ricky doing 51 points, 24 rebounds, 12 assist & 8 steals. Imagine that and include a midcourt shot in the last second of the regulation to put the game in the OT and a steal plus a layup at the second OT giving the championship to Spain.
Do you need more? Somebody please can talk with danny to draft him now! ;D
Nice to be back again with posts and my apologize again for my english :)
For those inclined to read yet another commentary on Ricky Rubio, check his bio. It seems this “freak of nature” has an extremely high basketball I.Q. in addition to world-class athleticism.
For a player to so dominate (offensively) in a championship game (i.e., 51 points) and yet be categorized as “weak” offensively, suggests that he is a great scorer but not necessarily a great shooter. While we salivate at the prospect of obtaining another “freakish” talent at PG, his bio suggests that his parents won’t even allow him to be interviewed until he’s 18 and of course, NBA league rules require a minimum age of 19?
by moskqq on Feb 28, 2007 2:18 PM EST reply actions
The limit for European Player is 19 years, like US players.
by Trinità on Feb 28, 2007 4:44 PM EST reply actions
Ricky Rubio has a lot of upside, I have watched the DKV Joventut-Girona match and he was really something: he scored 10 points and grabbed five rebounds in 17 minutes of play. But he is still very young and skinny, and he needs to improve his outside shot. No question about the fact that he is on the right track to the NBA, though. But believe me, Brickowski, right now Rubio couldn’t lace Petrovic’s sneakers, so to speak. I have always been a huge fan of Marco Belinelli, I would love to see him don the Celtics green, even if he is registering a sub-par season in the Italian League. Danilo Gallinari, son of a former Milan player who won a lot of Euroleagues alongside with Mike D’Antoni, Bob McAdoo and Hall of Famer Dino Meneghin, has improved dramatically in the last six months, and he just needs to sink his jumper with more continuity. Tiago Splitter? Well, big men with no offensive skills never conquered my heart, and Tiago is another Anderson Varejao with less defensive and rebounding skill. Perkins is way better, in my humble opinion. There was a time when the Italian League was the best in Europe, but right now I have more fun watching ACB games. Barcelona, Girona, Joventut, Real Madrid, TAU, Unicaja Malaga, there are a lot of good teams in Spain right now, where the Italian League has lost a lot of its appeal. Still second place in Europe, though.
Kudos to moskqq for his brilliant analysis, though: here in Europe we are waiting for the Celtics’ resurrection, but it is a good thing to let our american brothers know that they are not all alone at carrying the burden of this awful season.
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