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Bad shooting and bad defense vs. a good team = another loss. (Box Score)

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I’m all for showing up Doc Rivers, but this is a disgrace. What would he have to do to get fired? He could light Danny’s house on fire and Danny would probably thank him.

by Cant Teach Height on Feb 7, 2007 9:59 PM EST reply actions  

…West’s regression back into a wannabe-pass-first-PG is not helping things…since he got the flu and Rondo was inserted into the starting lineup West has stopped looking to score and has been trying to out-PG Rondo when on the court…this mindset is becoming extremely anoying as West future as a starter in this league is reliant on him averaging 18 and letting the rest of his game complement his scoring…

by BillfromBoston on Feb 7, 2007 10:00 PM EST reply actions  

doc is destroying this team how can u coach so bad?

by celticswillwin43 on Feb 7, 2007 10:05 PM EST reply actions  

E-M-B-A-R-R-A-S-S-I-N-G. But, you can’t blame Danny. After all, he didn’t realize he was going to have so many young players on the team. Can’t wait to see #17 Friday night.

by vinnie on Feb 7, 2007 10:14 PM EST reply actions  

I’m sick of this, how is Doc and/or Ainge not getting BBQ’d right now?

I don’t care if everyone on the Red Sox 25 man roster was injured if they lost 16 in a row people would be screaming for Francona and Theo’s blood.

If he doesn’t get fired this year its a disgrace.

by putinrondo on Feb 7, 2007 10:16 PM EST reply actions  

These radio announcers are asking what the Celtics should do. Get rid of Doc and get a good “Hubie Brown” type coach. We do not look like a professional basketball team at all.

by bceltfan on Feb 7, 2007 10:17 PM EST reply actions  

i bet if there was a really weak draft class neither Ainge or Doc would be around..its been said before but is the obvious truth.
still i cant believe we have reached this point as a franchise ..

by havlicekstoletheball on Feb 7, 2007 10:29 PM EST reply actions  

God Bless Doc Rivers… this season. But he sure as hell better not be back as coach next season.

The game was pretty interesting to watch, and Al Jefferson did well against two very good Centers.

by TomHamilton30 on Feb 7, 2007 10:32 PM EST reply actions  

Well, the first quarter was fun. Then at the beginning of the second quarter Doc just sat there and watched the Heat rip off about a dozen straight points and take a lead before he elected to call a time out. The Heat never looked back after that.

No one played well except Jefferson. No one.

by Brickowski on Feb 7, 2007 10:35 PM EST reply actions  

Did anyone hear Doc’s press conference? He blamed the bench for the loss, even though each one of the starters shot poorly. :-\ Then, when he was asked if it was him or the players that was at fault, then he changed his tune and said that it could never be just the players it was him too, even though he just got through blaming the bench players. LOL

Please fire Doc! >:(

by Bankshot on Feb 7, 2007 10:39 PM EST reply actions  

There’s no more debate. It doesn’t matter whether or not you think it’s Doc’s fault. The wheels have come off the bus. Roll him out for the rest of the season, then slip him into a TNT blazer for good.

by p_dawg on Feb 7, 2007 10:47 PM EST reply actions  

Bankshot, you have no heart. Doc deserves a shot at the NBA record for consecutive losses, and it would be unconscionable to fire him before then. He had a shot at the record in Orlando but had the rug pulled out from under him. He only has eight more losses to go, and no coach could possibly be more deserving of immortality.

by Brickowski on Feb 7, 2007 10:48 PM EST reply actions  

im getting sick and tires of yelling “TIMEOUT!!!!!!!!” at my tv.my mom knows when to call one, heck even my grandmother knows when to call a timeout. you know its a sad day when even I dont watch the game till the end. i love the guys on the team, except doc. also, im ot too fond of wally or bassy…. but everyone else…. go get em guys (next year)!

by Matty Free on Feb 7, 2007 10:56 PM EST reply actions  

Rondo played okay. The turnovers were pretty bad but hes a rook.
It looks like our first team isn’t too terrible but then Doc plus the bench just completely shat the bed.
We are soooo bad. Its a sad day to be a celtic fan.

by BigAlBeezy on Feb 7, 2007 11:20 PM EST reply actions  

Pierce’s injury is more serious than first thought, then he is ready to come back and his elbow flairs up. Now Wally, steps on a teammates shoe and is hurt again. Man, you can’t make this stuff up, it’s that bad.

by bceltfan on Feb 7, 2007 11:39 PM EST reply actions  

i find myself smiling with each mounting loss

by BadBoyBosh on Feb 7, 2007 11:42 PM EST reply actions  

Doc must go, he will never get a coaching job again in the NBA. He’s a joke, even before the season started he finished at the bottom of talented NBA coaches in an ESPN poll; again this is before the season started. Doc must be fired or forced to resign by the All Star break. Again, I don’t care about wins and loses, hoping we get a #1 or #2 pick; however the B.S. that Danny and Doc have been saying all year needs to stop. Make a change, get rid of both of them. The Heat came out flat, then went on a 10-0 run and “toyed” with us the rest of the game. I am not into S&M, but even if I was, I’d be crying “uncle”, this is toture.

by bceltfan on Feb 7, 2007 11:50 PM EST reply actions  

Get a real bonfide NBA caliber (fundamentalist) coach for the remainder of the season. Only then will we know if these guys can be consistent talented youngsters as we have been brainwashed to believe. If not, then this whole youth thing may have been a facade. Either way, we need a coach that can teach, demand, evaluate our players. This is another wasted year, as last year was wasted too. Danny created this mess, granted he wasn’t handed a championship roster, but he took us from mediocrity to miseray. Doc cannot teach and get the “best” out of his young players.

Even Philly, a less talented roster than ours is supposed to be has gone on a 6-4 streak verse our 0-16. Charlotte was 5-5. Memphis was 3-7. How bad does it have to get before a change is made? I do not want Doc the rest of the year, period.

If Wyc and Danny really wanted the Cs to play winning ball, Doc would have been fired last year. I sure wish I could perform my job to Doc’s standards and get paid $5M for my efforts.

by bceltfan on Feb 7, 2007 11:59 PM EST reply actions  

I watched a good portion of this game on NBA T.V.- pathetic. This team cannot play D, period, end of story. Gerald Green, you my friend, are the worst of the worse defenders on this team if not the whole league.

People wanting advice on dunks for him. Gerald also said he has a film of every winning NBA dunk, I don’t give a CR*P. My advice, say something stupid like T. Thomas and get disinvited. Go sprain an ankle and join the list of wounded Cs. The dunk contest means zip, nothing, nada.

It is a combination of your coaches not teaching you how to play D, and your non commitment to play D. It is cowardice that you have all this talent and fail to take the ball to the rim for fear of contact. You were babied big time last year by Danny and Doc, and although you are a 21 year old young man, you are still being treated like a baby by coaches, management and some fans.

 Enough of this, he is young excuse. Freshman in high school are playing better D right now than what I have seen from Gerald. Big AL was rumored in trades and he stepped up. You Gerald have failed to step it up and you pattern your game as a “Wally” player, rather than a “Pierce”.

Study films on MJ and Kobe, learn what it is needed to become a complete NBA player. Get your priorities straight. The NBA dunk contest is a joke, I will skip it. I hope you lose this dunk contest and commit yourself to becoming a true NBA player despite the lousy coaching you are now getting.

by bceltfan on Feb 8, 2007 12:20 AM EST reply actions  

bceltfan – agreed. For his own career, Green needs to go somewhere they expect/teach defense. Unfortunately, those teams may not want to take a risk on someone like Gerald.

EricW, I partially agree about Delonte. He does seem to give you either one or the other, scoring or passing, for 5-6 games at a time, then switches. I’m sure the hope is he can become Chauncey Billups and give you both. I don’t know if that’s justified, but it’s nice he can actually accomplish something.

Rondo and the mistakes we’ll have to endure. The team injuries are giving him baptism by fire. He’s mostly holding up. And the refrain seems to be “well, at least this year Jefferson became a player.”

by Assistant Village Idiot on Feb 8, 2007 12:43 AM EST reply actions  

We took 31 more shots then Miami did this game, and got 16 more Offensive boards. And we get blown out. This makes me think of the new Microsoft Windows Vista commercials featuing Lebron. Wow….

by celtfan 3.0 on Feb 8, 2007 1:36 AM EST reply actions  

It’s amazing, all this negativity, when Veal (0 boards in 13 minutes last night and 1 board per 9.6 minutes this season) has been named the runaway winner of the McCarty Little Big Man award for the third straight month and thirteenth straight week, a feat which not even McCarty ever managed. Veal is a real threat to end the year with his name inscribed on the trophy and secured for his trophy room in perpetuity.

by Celtsfansince55 on Feb 8, 2007 2:20 AM EST reply actions  

We took 31 more shots then Miami did this game, and got 16 more Offensive boards.

Might be because we shot .320, and they shot .550 … :-\

What is with the “Your comment is too short” stuff??

by kozlodoev on Feb 8, 2007 3:38 AM EST reply actions  

BCelticfan,

We can’t fire Doc now. If we brought in Hubie to coach now, we would win some games and ruin our lottery chances! LOL This is what we have to endure so we can get a real crack at the top (bottom). No complaining!!! :)

by celty86 on Feb 8, 2007 6:46 AM EST reply actions  

That shooting % is not going to win many high school games let alone games in the NBA- Perk had another sub par game as did most, though he did get called for a couple of fouls that never happened. Rondo was fun to watch-

Doc can’t make these guys shoot better, they are supposed to be able to that and nothing is happening during the season the owners are staying out of it- why I don’t know but they are letting Ainge drive their 400 million dollar toy right off the cliff.

by CelticsFan18 on Feb 8, 2007 6:46 AM EST reply actions  

Jeff i blame this losing streak squarely on your shoulders , ever since we have moved her we have sucked :P
Lets go back to the old site.

by havlicekstoletheball on Feb 8, 2007 7:03 AM EST reply actions  

Once again, I was fortunate enough to fall asleep at half time and didn’t have to endure the full 48 minutes of garbage. I knew it was over when the line up that included Rondo, West and Telfairy gave up a quick 10 points and Miami tied the game 2 minutes into the second quarter. This season can’t end soon enough, as far as I’m concerned.

by aQua on Feb 8, 2007 7:13 AM EST reply actions  

they have been playing inconsistent and helter skelter all along, but they are now looking dispirited. a new coach is needed now to get them reorganized. with the injuries, the lack of depth, and frankly, the basketball stupidity, i don’t think the new coach will blow the lottery ping pong balls situation. they are an undifferentiated jelly mess.

by nazzbo on Feb 8, 2007 8:14 AM EST reply actions  

the fact that our coach & GM are still employed tells us quite a bit about ownership…..
losers are tolerated.

by tommyfan on Feb 8, 2007 8:23 AM EST reply actions  

Wyc is not going to hire another coach while being on the hook for cry me’s salary. And cry me is being quite successful at attaining the real goal for this season: lots of ping pong balls.

by aQua on Feb 8, 2007 8:45 AM EST reply actions  

Why bother saying they “suck” for when we all know what is happening on the court………..

This team is so worn down at the moment. You can tell it’s beginning to wear down on the players…

Is it by concidence that M.L. Carr was in the building

The best thing to do is not to “Put the fire out on the burning building, but let it burn to the ground” Your not going to be able to save the season

…and the only way to save it is to start over with the draft, even though its still to early

by Ancient Red on Feb 8, 2007 8:58 AM EST reply actions  

yeah, delonte’s scoring has been cut in half since he moved to SG. Ideally he comes off the bench and Rondo starts. Telfair is gone as afar as I can see but that probably won’t happen until next fall. I think Danny will give him another opportunity this summer but Rondo has clearly won the starting pg job. the offense just works so much better with him in there.Allen Ray has some skills but I don’t ever see him being more than an 11th or 12th guy on a roster- he’s just too small. we’re losing because we don’t have enough talent- pure and simple. If you look at our roster we only have 3guys taken in the top 10 ( pierce, wally and kandi) and none of them are contributing right now. I would be willing to bet that if you looked at every NBA roster and you added up the draft positions for each player that the celts would have the highest total. i.e.we are playing with less talented players than any other team. Looking ahead to next year if we can land a big man in the draft and if TA comes back and Pierce is healthy etc we should be a better team. there is still a lot of dead weight though whioh danny needs to remove.

by Red2 on Feb 8, 2007 9:01 AM EST reply actions  

Oh the indignity of losing to the self-proclaimed ‘Champ’, Antoine Walker.

by LuckyNumber07 on Feb 8, 2007 9:03 AM EST reply actions  

I think the countdown to setting the NBA record for consecutive losses is going to be exciting. If Doc can just forget to call a few more timeouts, and if they keep showcasing Telfair, we have a real shot at it.

Wally’s new ankle sprain sets us back a little, because we really needed him to throw up bricks and play matador defense. But at least we have the undrafted, undersized Alan Ray to fill in until Wally gets back.

by Brickowski on Feb 8, 2007 9:16 AM EST reply actions  

I don’t know how many of you listened to the interview of Tommy Heinson on the Fan with the Mad Dog Wednesday, but when Mad Dog asked him what he thought about how good this team could be he said they could be so good that he would be willing to couch them if he was asked to! Hmm.

We’ve been exceptionally unlucky this year and it started with the draft. There were five players considered to be really good before a drop off in talent. Roy was one of them and falls out of the top five and is taken number six. We lost the 6th pick on a coin flip. The league decides not to allow high school grads to be drafted this year. Maybe Danny would not have traded that pick if Durrant and Oden had been allowed to go into the draft. No way to know what Danny would have done for sure but his last three drafts were high schoolers.

I’m disgusted with Doc! The last two loses have been horrible. Someone said that we should not let Doc go until he has a chance for the record for losing games. I agree, but I think he will quit before that happens. Actually, I think that if the streak is going when we come back from the five game road trip after the all-star game, I bet he quits before the Knicks game. There’s almost a sense of peace when I look at it that way.

by clipit89 on Feb 8, 2007 9:27 AM EST reply actions  

I watched the game last night on NBA TV. I have to admit I have been a little hard on Al Jefferson. It was almost comical the way the Heat defended him. Forget doublt teams, there were numorous times where Jefferson would get the ball in the post and three and sometimes four defenders would collapse around him. It is just unbelievable. Jefferson is not a great passer, so you can understand why they do that. But, no way does that happen if Pierce is playing. I have to cut Jefferson some credit, people play the guy like he is Tim Duncan. It is just nuts.

Also I understand now why people hate Doc so much. The team is killing the Heat in the 1st quarter and for no apparent reason Doc changes the lineup, puts in Scal and various other notables and poof there goes the 12 point lead. Why? If a lineup is working why not leave it in. This is a young team. Those guys could play 48 minutes a night if they had to. It is just crazy. He puts in these random lineups and has the almost uncanny ability to kill momentum every time he does. I swear Doc is tanking the season. No one could be that stupid.

by JohnK on Feb 8, 2007 10:06 AM EST reply actions  

JohnK, those oddball lineups drive me crazy too. It’s one the most infuriating thing about Doc’s coaching. The other thing is Doc’s inability to use timeouts to halt the other team’s momentum.

I know Doc is bad at both of these things, but at this point I think he’s using these “tactics” to increase the odds of a high lottery pick.

by fiddlesNdiddles on Feb 8, 2007 10:12 AM EST reply actions  

On Tommy Heinson, keep that old boy in the booth. I don’t want to hear Tommy saying the young Celts have a lot of talent and can be real good. The days of wait for the kids to develop is long gone. Show me the money. The only youngster who has arrived is Big AL and I have a hunch to credit more of that on Clifford Ray than any other factor. Gomes is Gomes, the most polished draft pick in his draft class. We didn’t develop him, he came the way he was, undersized and all. Tony Allen showed good progress before the injury, however how much of that was already there and I think for him it was a sense of finally being healthy than anything else. Tommy Heinson is close to the Chicago Cub’s announcer Harry Carrey, than he is a viable coaching option. A one, a two, a three… take me out to the ball game- lead us in singing that Tommy, but leading this Celtic team as a coach, no way, we are already a mess; continue being a Celtic shill.

by bceltfan on Feb 8, 2007 11:00 AM EST reply actions  

“We’ve been exceptionally unlucky this year and it started with the draft. There were five players considered to be really good before a drop off in talent. Roy was one of them and falls out of the top five and is taken number six. We lost the 6th pick on a coin flip.”

Luck had nothing to do with us not getting Roy. Portland used our #7 1 mil in change to trade for Roy. We easily could have done the same thing. Danny CHOSE Bassy over Roy. Period.

by Sean P. on Feb 8, 2007 12:04 PM EST reply actions  

Higlight of the evening? John Amaechi announcing he’s gay….

by Tradetime on Feb 8, 2007 1:44 PM EST reply actions  

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