Odom is better thna KG in many ways, let them do that trade. Maybe we will get the wolves draft pick someday!!

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=261387303127576878312422&teams=22216161616

celts give minny thsi years 1st top 2 protected and an 2009 1st and minnys pick back

Incoming Players
 Kevin Garnett
Salary: $21,000,000 Years Remaining: 3
PTS: 22.9 REB: 12.6 AST: 4.3 PER: 25.48

Outgoing Players
 Kendrick Perkins
Salary: $1,689,410 Years Remaining: 5
PTS: 4.0 REB: 4.3 AST: 1.2 PER: 8.85
 Gerald Green
Salary: $1,347,000 Years Remaining: 2
PTS: 9.6 REB: 2.5 AST: 1.0 PER: 12.58
 Brian Scalabrine
Salary: $2,793,103 Years Remaining: 4
PTS: 4.2 REB: 1.9 AST: 1.0 PER: 6.85
 Theo Ratliff
Salary: $11,666,666 Years Remaining: 2
PTS: 2.5 REB: 3.5 AST: 0.0 PER: 6.89
 Delonte West
Salary: $1,080,480 Years Remaining: 2
PTS: 11.6 REB: 3.0 AST: 4.6 PER: 14.58
Successful scenario

Maybe we should go after Jermain O’neal. He should be cheaper to go after.

If we are lucky enough to land Oden, would anyone still want to trade for Garnett?

I would offer nothing for KG. He likes to play outside, doesn’t go to the basket unless there is a straight lane, will not take a charge. Al Jefferson can give us what we need and I think Al is mentally tougher. Also, we cannot afford Al if we get KG.

TrueGreen, the fact that KG likes to play outside is the reason he would be a great compliment to Al (unless we can’t get him without giving up BigAl, of course). I wouldn’t do it if we had to give up Al.

Here’s my goal: Keep Pierce and Jefferson, and keep our pick if it’s top 2.

I’ll give Minnesota anyone else they want, and either 3 or 4 first round draft picks, and I’ll help them to fix some salary mistakes that they have made.

Here’s my trade:
We give them
Green, Allen, Rondo, West, Perkins, and for salary purposes Ratliff, Szczerbiak, Ray.
We also throw in $3M in cash (the maximum allowed).
And draft picks:
We give them our first round draft pick in 2012, we give them back their own future draft pick, and we give them either:
   our first round draft pick this year, top-2 protected,
   or our first round draft picks next year and in 2010 unprotected.

We take from them
Garnett, Jaric, Troy Hudson, and Mike James

Here’s ESPN’s breakdown of it:
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=2367276120186873047302683124222613531051387&teams=16161616161616162222

Minnesota Timberwolves

Incoming Players
Allan Ray
Salary: $412,718 Years Remaining: 2
Kendrick Perkins
Salary: $1,689,410 Years Remaining: 5
Gerald Green
Salary: $1,347,000 Years Remaining: 2
Rajon Rondo
Salary: $1,143,600 Years Remaining: 2
Theo Ratliff
Salary: $11,666,666 Years Remaining: 2
Tony Allen
Salary: $1,037,280 Years Remaining: 2
Delonte West
Salary: $1,080,480 Years Remaining: 2
Wally Szczerbiak
Salary: $11,775,000 Years Remaining: 3

Outgoing Players: Mike James, Troy Hudson, Kevin Garnett, Marko Jaric

Boston Celtics

Incoming Players
Mike James
Salary: $5,215,000 Years Remaining: 3
Troy Hudson
Salary: $5,603,000 Years Remaining: 4
Kevin Garnett
Salary: $21,000,000 Years Remaining: 3
Marko Jaric
Salary: $5,525,000 Years Remaining: 5

Outgoing Players: Allan Ray, Kendrick Perkins, Gerald Green, Rajon Rondo, Theo Ratliff, Tony Allen, Delonte West, Wally Szczerbiak

At the end of the day, if we get lucky and get a top-2 pick this year, we start
Jaric or James, Pierce, Durant, Garnett, Jefferson

And if we miss on a top-2 pick this year, we start
James, Jaric, Pierce, Garnett, Jefferson

Sorry, here’s the link to my ESPN trade:

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=2367276120186873047302683124222613531051387&teams=16161616161616162222

Boston incoming:
KG
Minny Incoming:
A. Ray,G. Green,T. Ratliff, S. Telfair, C. Magette, L Powe, 2008 FRP, 2010 FRP
LA Clips incoming:
Mike James, Delonte West, Minny’s 1st rd pick

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=276130236873047241724222611051497&teams=16161616161221216

Pros: Keep 2007 FRP and Keep big Al
Cons: We lose pretty much everyone else besides Gomes, TA, Pierce, Rondo and we lose 3 first rd picks

edit above: the FRP’s are Boston’s First Round Picks

To all……..

“NO KG”….. We are better off with Al Jefferson and Gerald Green in the fold than trading one of them for someone who is a “Cancer” on his team.

Why would we want someone like that, if he can’t even take it upon himself and become a team player for the sake of the team. KG is all about KG…

His skills do not match his I.Q.

“Why would we want someone like that, if he can’t even take it upon himself and become a team player for the sake of the team. KG is all about KG…”

This would be the arguement that any team would use to low ball offer for Pierce FWIW. I don’t buy it in Paul’s case and I don’t in terms of KG either.

Trade the top 2 pick with salary for Garnett. With Garnett, Jefferson, and Pierce as the frontline, the Celtics would be unstoppable.

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=23896871021831261387&teams=1616161622

Should be noted, I think Minnesota asks for a draft pick back as well.

“I’m not in favor of offering Jefferson personally. Much rather give up Green.”

You set the rules stating no low-ball offers. Any that don’t start with Jefferson are low-ball offers in my book. I’d rather deal a package surrounding Leon Powe, but that wouldn’t get you KG’s unborn son.

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=2757276168730268312611051&teams=161616161622

Return their draft pick, and throw in our 2008 lottery protected (2009 unconditional)

They don’t take wally back, good call.

well no one is going to beat how much “indeed proceed” and “dslack” gave up.

since this would occur when we know where we draft, we have two offers to make:

if we get a top two pick this year, we trade them three first round picks not including this years, any ones they want. We give them Green, West, Perkins, Telfair, and then any and all expiring contracts(Wally,Ratliff, ?) they want. We take back up to two pieces of garbage.

is this enough? I don’t know. Id argue that Greens potential is the key, and West is an attractive piece as is Perkins. Gomes and Powe can both go if they want them

wed start: Durant/Oden, KG,Al, PP, rondo. I kept Tony as the 6th man. We can fill in the two spots with anything that moves. I can play for free if they want me;>) I think wed win the title.

If we don’t get a top two pick we send this years pick, their own and one more to them. We still send Green, but now I think we only need to send West, Telfair, Perkins and whatever contracts they want. They immedaately have Green West Perkins and THis years high pick to play good minutes

if this isn’t enough I would easily pass on the whole thing

I hate to throw cold water on the parade (I seem to be doing that alot lately), but let’s all keep in mind that Garnett has an early termination option this year, plus a player option a couple of years down the road. So unless Garnett is willing to waive these options and restructure his deal (which he would do only if he’s happy about where he’s going), you are relinquishing assets for a short-term rental. For all practical purposes he has a no trade clause, unless the Wolves are willing to take back almost nothing for one of the league’s premier players.

And why would Garnett be rhappy about coming to Boston? To be reunited with Wally? LOL, I don’t thinks so.

He wants a contender, just like every other 30 year-old star without a ring. He would probably ok a trade to the Bulls, a contending team in his hometown, or the Lakers, who could offer Kwame Brown’s expiring deal, Lamar Odom and a prospect or two, and who could offer KG the chance to play with Kobe plus all of the other benefits of tinseltown.

In light of Garnett’s ETO and player option, the chance of KG coming to Boston is so small that it is hardly worth discussing.

KG is sooo over-rated. Hasn’t won nothing, isn’t going to win nothing.

Give me AL Jefferson any day of the week.

Garnett is going to cost us at least Jeff or our draft pick as the main piece. So basically you have to decide between one or the other, or both. The rest is gravy, except Green, who is worth maybe 1/3 of Jeff or the pick.

“He wants a contender, just like every other 30 year-old star without a ring. He would probably ok a trade to the Bulls, a contending team in his hometown, or the Lakers, who could offer Kwame Brown’s expiring deal, Lamar Odom and a prospect or two, and who could offer KG the chance to play with Kobe plus all of the other benefits of tinseltown.”

Wow, that would be 10 cents on the dollar. What worries me about KG is the fact that he has been in the NBA so long and played so many minutes. The three years KG spent getting beatup as a teenager in the NBA are going to show on him a lot more than the three years Pierce spent at Kansas. I really wonder how much he has left. Considering the contract issues, Brick brings up, I am not sure how much you give up for him.

Assume for a moment the Celtics get the third or fourth pick in the draft. It will still be a very valuable player, but the last thing the Celtics need is another valuable young player. Moreover, the Celtics have suffered through the development of Perkins, Jefferson and Green. Next year they might actually be able to something in return finally. If the Celtics don’t get Durant or Oden, why not trade the pick for a high paid vet with an expiring contract and getting someone to take Wally off of thier hands. That would mean that both Theo and Wally’s salary money would go off the books next year, giving the Celtics the salary flexibility to both sign any of their young players they want to keep and actually go into the free agent market. Assuming Al Jefferson is a 20 10 guy next year and I think he will be, the Celtics would be competetive next year and in the position to sign a free agent or make a deadline deal to put a viable third option with Pierce and Jefferson. I know that is thinking out of the box a bit, but I would sure like to see the Celtics get out of salary cap hell.

I have no interest in Garnett at this point. I feel that we would have to give up too much, and for what? To set as our foundation two guys (Pierce and Garnett) over 30, still lacking a true starting center and PG, which buys us maybe 2-3 seasons of competing in the East, but does not get us beyond that. No thanks, I would prefer to suffer in mediocrity a little longer, with a longer term bright future as the pay-off.

My first trade presumes we don’t land a top 2 pick in the upcoming draft.

Boston Receives: Garnett
Minnesota Receives: 2007 1st (if it’s not top 2), Gerald Green, Sebastian Telfair, Ratliff OR Sczerbiak, and Scalabrine (to make the salaries work).
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=276168710212417261&teams=161616162

That’s the most I’d be willing to give. It may be that the Lakers or someone else can offer something better.

If we get Durant with the second pick, I MIGHT be willing to make this trade. I know some people disagree with me, but I believe Durant’s natural position in the NBA will be SF, and I believe Pierce is getting too slow to guard SGs in this league. With that in mind, I MIGHT propose:

Boston Gets: Garnett, Foye
Minnesota Gets: Pierce, Green, Telfair, Gomes, 2008 1st (protected, maybe top 10, maybe top 5).
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=2757276166224173003261&teams=1616161622
I would rather give up Powe than Gomes, but the numbers don’t work. Either way Minnesota would probably summarily reject it.

If the Celtics draft Oden, I would stand put with regard to Garnett, because I think the roster is more easily solidified with one or two smaller roster moves.

Moral of the story: It probably ain’t happening Jeff.

the reason KG would come is simple: if the deal could be done for our distant future and $, instead of our near future and present, he would be in a line up with: PP, Oden/Durant, Al Jefferson…..youy think he rather go play with KOBE?! ROTFLMAO! He once won around 60 games with not even half the supporting cast we could provide.

Celtics trades Ray, Telfair, West, Wally, Theo, powe, Gerald, Scalabrine, and Tony Allen

Minnesota trades Madsen, Jaric, Hassell, Hudson, McCants, Garnett

works on tradechecker: http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=26199835338749627772367276130236873047102183124172422&teams=222222161616161616161616

This is basically trading the Celtics for the T’Wolves, we don’t get good contracts in return so I wouldn’t give them any draft picks except maybe one 1st round pick but that’s it.

Our rotation would be:

Rondo/Hudson
pierce/jaric/mccants
hassell/pierce
garnett/gomes/madsen
jefferson/perkins

hassell can take some defensive pressure of pierce and just guard the other teams best players. when hassell is not having a good defensive game just throw in jaric or mccants at the 2 guard and move pierce to the small forward. you’re second unit won’t be bad at all either with hudson, mccants, hassell, gomes and perkins. and the key to this trade is not even factoring in our 1st round pick, I mean this lineup can easily make the playoffs and do some damage, but just throw in a durant instead of Hassell and have hassell come off the bench at small forward. Look at this lineup: Rondo, Pierce, Durant, Garnett, Jefferson. If not Durant, you can’t do much worse with an oden in there either. But this is a great mixture of young guys and veterans and when pierce and garnett decide to hang it up, you still have Rondo Durant or Oden and Jefferson to build around because they will just be getting into their prime. Now for Minnesota, they get rid of a lot of bad contracts and get young and talented players with potential and cheaper short term contracts.

Their lineup would be
Foye/Telfair
Davis/Allen/West/ray/wright
Gerald/Wally/Reed
Smith/Powe/ and whatever happened to Eddie Griffin
Blount

This is a young athletic lineup. The only thing they would be missing is a Center to back up Blount, but if they had to they could go small and play Craig Smith and Powe at the 4 or 5.

“Theo, Gerald Green, and Perkins for KG”

That would be highway robbery. God, I am not even sure McHale would be dumb enough to do that deal. I don’t care if KG is 30 or 50, that would be a fabulous deal for the Celtics.

I’d give Pierce and the top pick. That and Ratliff for salary comps might get it done. I’d throw in telfair, Powe, Scal, but no Rondo, West, Jefferson or green. If we could keep the pick, they can keep get Green.
  On the other hand, if we can get a top 2 pick, I’d keep it and play a team with Rondo, Green, PP, Jefferson and Oden/Durant, with West, Gomes, Allen, and Wally off the bench. Thats a pretty good team in a couple years.

“"Theo, Gerald Green, and Perkins for KG”

That would be highway robbery. God, I am not even sure McHale would be dumb enough to do that deal. I don’t care if KG is 30 or 50, that would be a fabulous deal for the Celtics."

Ditto. They’re not going to take a package built around Green.

First minnesota would wait for our draft position….If it is No.1 or 2, then that would be all the T.wolves would be asking as DA would be dumb if he includes Gerald…ofcourse fillers for salary would be added but then again would DA even be thinking about trading Oden/durant for a washed up KG?

Jeff,

Your deal (something like, Ratliff, Perkins/ Green/ 3rd-5th pick/ Minni’s 1st) isn’t a bad foundation, likely we’d also need to give up Rondo or West. And I’d expect to take back one of the Wolves’ albatrosses: Jaric or James for example. It isn’t a deal that can’t be beat, but this year’s trend of low-ball offers for HoF talent may continue into next (market may also be saturated: Kidd, Carter, J. O’Neal, et al).

Not sure if this would work on trade checker:
Ratliff/ Perkins/ Green/ Rondo/ Scalabrine (as filler?)/ 3rd-5th pick/ Minni’s 1st/& cash

For

Garnett and Jaric

JohnK said:
  
“Wow, that would be 10 cents on the dollar.” (referring to my trade scenario to the Lakers).

Well, if KG exercises his early termination option, the Wolves will get Zero cents on the dollar. He becomes an unrestricted free agent.

And that’s not 10 cents on the dollar. Odom is a decent player with a short deal (expires in 2009) and they also save around 35 million in salary. LA could throw in some useful young players too (e.g. Turiaf, Walton or one of their young pgs). And the Lakers would be delighted to take Mike James in exchange for Vlad Rad. Makes sense for everyone.

At the end of the day KG may block this trade from even happening. I mean the only way I see him wanting to come here is if he decides to try and bring a storied franchise a title. Other then for that reason I don’t see it happening. We can try, I think Garnet got 5 years left in him but Al with his progression probably has 13 or 14. Now, KG is an elite talent but I only see us winning one title if that with him and the long term if we don’t get the 1 or 2 looks bleaker then brighter. Besides, I don’t care if you gave me Wilt in his hay day have you seen Dallas. They are unstoppable.

If I were Minnesota I’d keep KG especially as it stands Minnesota has the 8th pick in this years draft and they could land a good pick from it.

You don’t trade a KG and neither do you trade a PP, not that you can’t, but you need someone as a corner stone to build around and right now Minnesota and besides Minnesota is $14 Million over the cap to Bostonâ€â"¢s 10 and we will be free of Theo’s contract next year.

Remember we have Jefferson to sign !!!

So we’ll need that cap space.

Right now our youth won’t bring back someone comprisable whose salaries match.

We’re giving up too much, especially for Garnett who I dislike…..

You folks want to really cry….HELL blame Pitino for his big mouth way back in the Draft where he was praising Dirk Nowitzki and Nelly grabbed him before we grabbed Pierce…..

Minny sends us:
KG and Mike James

Boston sends Minny: ‘07 #1 (unprotected), return Minny’s #1, DWest, Gomes, Wally and Theo.

The key to this deal are that our pick this year is unprotected — Minny could land Oden or Durant — and the talent level of the players going back is much higher than others are proposing (DWest/Gomes vs. Bassy/Scal). If the ‘07 pick doesn’t end up in the top 2, we give them our #1 in ’09.

Minny wouldn’t want Scal or Perk — they’ve got Madsen and Blount long-term. Bassy, Powe, TA, and Ray have no value to them or anyone. If negotiations get tough, we even replace DWest with Gerald — but definitely not both.

The hard part would be getting them to take Wally. But McHale was the guy who signed him, they need outside shooting, and we’re taking Mike James contract back — and he’s not working out for them.

If I’m the Wolves, I’m wondering at what point I’m going to want three, four, or five more Celtics in addition to the four I got last year. If I’m KG, I’m wondering at what point I want to play with Wally again. Or, if I’m the Wolves, I’m wondering why I’d want Wally back. A team with Foye isn’t taking Telfair. They are still waiting on McCants and they have Ricky Davis, so I don’t see them accepting Gerald Green as the big prospect. The Forbes best GM in sports (kidding, kidding) will want Al. Al would get it done. But everyone seems in agreement that we don’t want to do that. After that, it would take a lot of 1st rounders and Theo’s contract.

Brick, thanks for steering em toward where the real KG thing should be happening: LA and if not Chicago…
Right now, I find it befuddling that we’re wasteing time trying to figure out what might happen after the 22nd of May…On that day we will see if we have a possibility of landing one of the two most exciting picks to come out of college since Wilt!!! (OK a little hyperbole)
Anyway, Danny spent his weekend perched next to Durant’s Mom, Stepfather and Grand Mother…It was rather a precarious sight to behold…Reminded me of Steve Martin in the “Jerk”…Be that as it may, I’m sure he saw enough to realize that “Something’s happening here/What it is ain’t exactly clear/…and it has nothing to do with a 30 year old aging resident of Malibu beach…
Oden and Durant…You’re pick…Either of them nearly certain franchise players…One a kinda 6’10” I wanta be like Mike, and the other, the most unflappable, nonchalant superstar I’ve ever witnessed…Katie, Bar the door…
In the real world that’s happening right now, it looks like Charlotte’s got the picture and is holding Okafor out till the Independence day parade, and Atlanta has come up with a serious contusion on Joe Johnson’s leg (3 full quarters after he hurt it and played a wonderful game on it)…He may be done for the year…

I’m watching Charlotte and Hotlanta…I now after Danny watched Durant this weekend, there’s no way we are going to go by either of these teams…I’ve seriously given up on Memphis…I’m convinced they’re not going to go by us, so it’s time to check out new defenses and those that don’t work for one reason or another, and, as Doc so aptly puts it: “Play for next season as much as for this…”

[url=http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=275727616878312417261353&teams=161616161622]Here’s my deal.[/url]
Celts send
1) Wally
2) Ratliff
3) Gerald Green
4) Ryan Gomes
5) Sebastian Telfair
6) Minny’s pick that they owe us is returned to them.
7) Our 2007 1st Rd Pick (if it falls outside of the top 2) OR our 2008 1st Rd Pick totally unprotected

Minnesota sends:
1) Kevin Garnett
2) Troy Hudson
3) Their 2008 2ND RD Pick

Wally is added into this deal to make the numbers work and keep the players changing teams somewhat manageable. It also allows the Celts to take back Hudson’s unwanted contract from the Wolves. The Wolves would probably want to try and package Wally to a 3rd team and they could try and use some combo of future picks or less important youngsters to entice some team into sending an expiring contract for Wally. Minnesota has several reasons to do this deal. 1) Future cap relief- especially if they can package Wally with some lesser assets. 2) Gerald Green. 3) A 2007 Lottery Pick or a 2008 unprotected 1st.

I thought I would make it a three way trade just for fun

Boston
trades: Perkins, Green, Scals, Theo, West, Minny’s 1st, 2008 1st
receives: Garnett, Reed

Minny
trades: KG, Hassell, Reed
receives: Minny’s first, Green, Scals, Marion, Banks, Piatkowski

Phoenix
trades: Marion, Banks, Piatkowski
receives: Ratliff, Perkins, West, Hassell, Bos 2008 1st

Phoenix saves both short and long term cash and adds some relatively inexpensive role players at positions of need (defensive minded center, solid wing defender, and good shooting combo guard). Phoenix would then be highly positioned in 2008 with the C’s pick, its own pick, and more than likely Atlanta’s first. I don’t know if Phoenix would do this, but if they don’t win this year and decide Marion has to go this isn’t a bad trade for them.

Minny gets a younger all star talent as well as a lot of young players to put them into the youth movement. They liked Banks when he was there and he seemed to fit in well. Green is a potential future star as well.

Boston gets KG and keeps AJ, Pierce, and the 2007 first.

a question: Who gave Kwame Brown $8 million a year?

and

a point: Brickowski has the bottom-line. KG will leave Minny on his own terms. Why would he agree to go to a rebuilding team with a worse record than the Timberwolves?

This probably doesn’t make much sense, but I’ll give it a shot.

Celtics get: KG, Zeljko Rebraca
C’s send: Perk, Green, Wally, Theo, 07 1st

Clippers get: Perkins, Green, Wally
Clips send: Maggette, Livingston, Rebraca

T’Wolves get: Maggette, Ratliff, Livingston, Celtics 07 1st Rounder
T’Wolves send: KG

So basically, the T’Wolves get a scorer, cap flexibility after next year, and a young PG with potential, albeit slightly damaged goods right now, plus the C’s 1st rounder for this year, which could be as good as Oden or Durant or as bad as Noah or Wright. The Clips dump Maggette and shed themselves of waiting for Livingston to develop, and get a potential star in Green. I guess they’re the wild card.

wahz is right — the trade would be after we know where our pick is. So keep in mind that saying “top-2 protected” with respect to this year’s draft pick is just shorthand for what we are willing to give up once we know where we pick; it’s not an actual term of the trade, because at trade time we’ll know if we have a top-2 pick or not.

Also, I liked the general terms in which wahz described the trade. I guess the only difference between his and mine is that I’ll take back 3 garbage contracts, and I’ll give 3 draft picks including this years (if it’s not top-2) or 4 not including this year’s. They can have anyone other than Pierce, Jefferson, and maybe this year’s draft pick.

Moranis, Phoenix won’t give up Marion. They like their core. And Perkins would play as little there as (or less than) Kurt Thomas. Also, they have Atlanta’s pick coming this year, not in 2008.

On a more realistic subject, we’d better hope that Minnesota improves and doesn’t end up in the top-10 draft picks this year, or else we’ll probably never get the future pick they promised us.

FYI, my understanding is that Wally remains extremely popular among lots of casual Timberwolves fans, for reasons that have nothing to do with how well (or not) he plays. I suspect Wally has more trade value going back to MN than he does for any other team in the league.

I don’t have time to really answer Jeff’s question, but I would

1) start with Theo & Wally’s contracts. Assume Theo never plays and they immediately save 80% of his last year; assume Wally sells them an bunch of extra tickets over the next two years.
2) have the Timberwolves send us back their 1-3 worst contracts, so that you get Fred Hoiberg some flexibility once he takes over, and
3) give them some young prospects with legitimate upside (Green, ‘07 pick) or where they need help (Perkins). Assume most of our young players (Delonte, Gomes, Allen) have close to zero value except to make the salaries match
4) Giving them back their own pick is a no-brainer, assuming they’re going to suck for a while and we’re going to be good. If we have KG and Pierce don’t assume our own future picks will have much value

KG needs to get out of Minny. Because at this point I am not convinced anymore that he is a superstar. He plays outside – but can’t put the ball on the floor and score like your normal perimeter player. At the same time he lacks the power to bang inside.

I can see he would be a nice fit WITH Jefferson but if you have to give up Pierce and Durant to get him – no. If you can fleece him for Green, West, Gomes, Perkins (not this year) first – go for it.

Pete

KG? Nah, I’d rather not have an aging star who is rapidly turning into a bitter malcontent. After the first loss, when he will start yelling in the locker room and giving the kids his trademark Garnett look. Thanks, but no thanks.

Considering KG will be turning 33 no thanks, and i have been one of KG’s biggest fans during his career. Similar to Pierce in the way that both players have peaked, and your not going to see them really get any better. Pierce is just a tad younger so he has some years left. Ask yourself if it is worth paying Pierce and Garnett over $42 million dollars a year, when needing to have money to resign some of the youngs, and also paying Garnett $22 mill when he is 35?

I’m guessing Big Al Jefferson would have to go in the deal, no way around it. Lets face the facts, these fantasy trades for KG that we all have running through our minds that McHale would take on a package not including Jefferson, and including Green along with other youngs and an expiring contract would get the deal done….Sorry there are 20 other teams in the NBA who could give a talented young along with expiring contracts. What everyone else doesn’t have however is a 22 year old, now constitant double-double threat with the total offensive capabilities of being a 20 ppg scorer. Although Al is no KG, those numbers could very well turn comparible to KG’s by the end of next year’s season. Witnessing how Al has grown from all the injuries, the fame that got to his head, and the pressure of playing up to expectance has been a thrill as a celtics fan. I also love that he recentely states wanting to stay in Boston his whole career, and how he rose to the occassion while being heavily rumored in trades that sent him scared to leave Boston.

Take your pick….

I am with Sweet Pete, KG just isn’t that good anymore.
His whole game is 18’ from the hoop, and he is forever pissed off, probably cuz he can’t seem to develop chemistry with ANYONE they try to pair him with.

Ask yourself this, If he is truly a top 5 talent, wouldn’t he have made some noize in the playoffs more than once in his career?

The starting point will be Jefferson, Green, AND Ratliff.

GG didn’t start getting minutes until late last year (he played in 32 games). He had to stand at the three point line so PP could operate. It’s just in the last thirty games they have allowed him to move without the ball. He’s only showing flashes of what’s going to be seen on a regular basis.

TrueGreens right. Once he plays on instinct, he will bring it to the next level (1 -2 years away).
 That being said, I would be tempted to include him in a package for KG, as long as Al was not part of it.

  I was commenting on your post. How did my post end up in front of yours?

Very simple if you want to go to the finals in 07 -08.
Theo, Wally, GG, 07’s #1 and Minne. pick. What club can top that and still field a top notch team?

I’m not saying I would do it but you have to give to get a player like KG.

For those who want to trade GG. I don’t remember who made the remark, but they basically said GG was a third year rooky. Meaning that next year GG should be judged as if he were a first year NBA player. He would have 2 years under his belt playing against NBA players as opposed to college players. He has come a long way as a pre-rookie.
He just has too much talent to give away. Just wait till he begins playing on instinct as opposed to thinking his way thru. And I bet he’ll be alot better starting next year with another summer of work under his belt.

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=236727572018687102183124172611051996558&teams=16292916292916229162

I think a 3 way trade with memphis would be a good starting point. This trade seems very fair for all teams involved. Maybe our 2008 first to memphis.
Boston Celtics

Incoming Players
 Mike Miller
Salary: $7,623,813 Years Remaining: 4
PTS: 18.8 REB: 5.5 AST: 4.3 PER: 16.76
 
 Kevin Garnett
Salary: $21,000,000 Years Remaining: 3
PTS: 22.9 REB: 12.6 AST: 4.3 PER: 25.48
 

Outgoing Players: Kendrick Perkins, Sebastian Telfair, Brian Scalabrine, Theo Ratliff, Tony Allen, Ryan Gomes, Wally Szczerbiak
Minnesota Timberwolves

Incoming Players
 Sebastian Telfair
Salary: $1,793,160 Years Remaining: 2
PTS: 6.9 REB: 1.4 AST: 3.1 PER: 10.01
 
 Theo Ratliff
Salary: $11,666,666 Years Remaining: 2
PTS: 2.5 REB: 3.5 AST: 0.0 PER: 6.89
 
 Tony Allen
Salary: $1,037,280 Years Remaining: 2
PTS: 11.5 REB: 3.8 AST: 1.7 PER: 17.05
 
 Pau Gasol
Salary: $12,364,000 Years Remaining: 5
PTS: 20.7 REB: 9.5 AST: 3.2 PER: 23.63
 

Outgoing Players: Mike James, Kevin Garnett
Memphis Grizzlies

Incoming Players
 Kendrick Perkins
Salary: $1,689,410 Years Remaining: 5
PTS: 4.0 REB: 4.3 AST: 1.2 PER: 8.85
 
 Brian Scalabrine
Salary: $2,793,103 Years Remaining: 4
PTS: 4.2 REB: 1.9 AST: 1.0 PER: 6.85
 
 Mike James
Salary: $5,215,000 Years Remaining: 3
PTS: 10.1 REB: 2.1 AST: 3.9 PER: 12.68
 
 Ryan Gomes
Salary: $664,209 Years Remaining: 2
PTS: 12.1 REB: 5.8 AST: 1.7 PER: 14.52
 
 Wally Szczerbiak
Salary: $11,775,000 Years Remaining: 3
PTS: 15.0 REB: 3.1 AST: 1.7 PER: 14.92
 

Outgoing Players: Mike Miller, Pau Gasol

What do you guys think?

Jeff I tried. It was just too Painful to give up guys in mass as it seemed to take to make the numbers work. For my part K G is a “No deal” let us move to a lower number suitcase to make a deal.

The only way the C’s do this deal is by sending both Wally and Theo and taking ONE of Minny’s contracts — preferably Mike James to either Jaric or Hudson. We need to clear Wally to avoid tax.

Minny has zero desire for: Perk, Rondo, Bassy, Powe, Scal, Ray, TA, Kandi.
Minny might want: DWest, Gomes, Gerald
Untouchables: Paul, Al

The mix of DWest/Gerald/Gomes depends on how many picks we send them and if they picks are protected.

If Phoenix doesn’t win this year and wants KG, they could make the best offer. New Jersey also might have enough with Jefferson, Krstic, a lotto pick, and filler.

But, of the three teams mentioned, the Lakers might be in the best postion. Boston probably won’t want to give up Jefferson and the Bulls have always seemed unwilling to deal Hinrich. With those two out of the picture, I just don’t see a deal going through. The Lakers seem the most willing to deal with their top young prospect. And if they could get Minnesota to go for Odom, Vlad Rad, Cook, and Bynum (as opposed to including Kwame Brown) it would be a no-brainer for LA.

I love KG, but Danny would have to give up Al (and alot more) to get him. If the Celts were on the cusp and had the contracts, I’d say go for it. But they’re too many players away from contention.

He’s an Idea. three-way trade, Using all-Celtic GMs:

Boston Gets:
Kevin Garnett
Troy Murphy

Gives up: Green, West, Telfair, Ratliff, Szczerbiak, Minnie’s Pick

Minnesota Gets:
Jermaine O’Neal
Sebastian Telfair
Their Draft Pick Back

Gives Up: Garnett

Indiana Gets:
Gerald Green
Delonte West
Wally Szcerbiak
Theo Ratliff

Indiana Gives Up: Jermine O’Neal, Troy Murphy

The Trade Machine won’t allow it due to Murphy’s Trade Restrictions but we’re talking after the season anyway right?

Minnie gets a suitable replacement right away in O’neal, plus a young point gaurd and a pick. Indiana dumps a failing murphy(and an unhappy o’neal), gains some cap room, and gets 2 terrifcally talented young players in return with West and Green. Boston gets KG. I’m no trade expert but it looks pretty good right?

Basically we get all MIN’s mistakes — Ainge could either keep or (in the case of Mike James) trade along…

Ahh…you forgot Blount! Minnesota will be looking to get rid of (in this order) Hudson, Blount, and to a lesser extent Marko Jaric. We will also try to trade Mike James and Ricky Davis in the offseason. Both Mike James and Pretty Ricky (due to his contract) will have some limited value to another team – so we aren’t going to dump them. Hudson & Blount are the guys that will be really hard to dump. Try to help us out there. We would also easily give up Justin Reed.

I think we would have interest in Rondo, Gerald Green & Jefferson. Tony Allen is a risk due to injury. Perk (on a diet) might be OK – but both Perk and Gomes don’t have the kid of upside we would want….unless they both grow about 6 inches taller. DWest (while a solid backup on a winning team) also has limited upside so he isn’t interesting. No way on Telfair. We would also have interest in Theo and Wally’s contract.

“NO KG”….. We are better off with Al Jefferson and Gerald Green in the fold than trading one of them for someone who is a “Cancer” on his team.

Why would we want someone like that, if he can’t even take it upon himself and become a team player for the sake of the team. KG is all about KG…

His skills do not match his I.Q.

Huh?? KG is absolutely not a cancer!! He is the ultimate team player (perhaps to a fault – as lots of us have been screaming at him to be more selfish)

Lastly, he has a very high basketball IQ