Jeff, Garnett will soon be 30 having averaged 39 very physical minutes per game over his 11 year career. That’s a lot of mileage to be giving up so much. My biggest problem would be the two picks. All the Oden and Durant hype doesn’t guarantee that someone in the top ten will be the best player from this draft class. I would argue it’s very possible. Also I like Delonte’s toughness that’s an intangible that would be sorely missed. He’s the leader of this Celtics team. And Gerald has huge upside – were he to learn how to dribble and play defense he could be a top 25 player in this league.

Besides KG is a great player but he is a big who shoots from the outside and isn’t exactly a low post presence. Furthermore, I don’t think he’s as great a rebounder as people thing he is…he has great rebounding numbers but that’s because he’s been by himself.

I typically agree with you on this site but it’s time to let go of the KG man crush. ;) I believe it’s a fatal attraction.

First off, I can’t believe that they’d want Wally back. Second, why not just give them their own draft pick back instead of one of our own? Third, they are going to want one of this year’s picks for sure. They are at risk for losing this year’s pick to the Clippers, so they may not even have a first rounder. The team that offers a good draft pick in this year’s draft or a top big man talent will probably be the team that Minnesota deals with.

It kind of depends on what direction the Wolves would want to head in talent-wise…i.e., do they value andrew bynum, ty thomas, or gerald higher? then, would the bulls be willing to give up a more developed young player (e.g., hinrich or deng) to balance out the fact that thomas is valued less. This seems to be a reasonable offer, to me at least, though I would switch Gomes and West given the choice (agreeing with the other poster about Delonte’s intangibles).

Definitely have to disagree on the slights on KG by the previous poster though…if he isn’t such a great rebounder but puts up the numbers, who’s to say he wouldn’t keep being “not great” but keep putting up phenomenal numbers in Boston? Seems like an odd comment. Plus, with him and Al underneath, who cares who pulls them down, we’re pull them all down. He’s got several good years left—it’s not like he’s a prototypical big guy who wears down at age 30/32. He’s in phenomenal shape, is ferociously competitive (I actually see this as potentially his biggest downfall—Simmons constantly jokes about KG killing his teammates at some point, and I think what he’s getting at- how on edge KG is- is right), and has a skill set perhaps unrivaled in the game for his size (Dirk’s got it too, better shooting but less explosive). For all the Durant worship on this site, I’m shocked to see even one KG detractor—Durant has about a 10% chance of being as good as KG is ever, even at the age Garnett is now.

Any resistance to trading for Kevin Garnett is a whole new form of March Madness.
Can we please start getting real about all our non-Al youngs?
I still don’t see the T-Wolves pulling the trigger on this trade, Jeff, but a solid proposal on your part short of giving up Big Al, which is another form of March Madness altogether! LOL.

Can we add Doc Rivers for Kevin McHale? I’m not sure either one of these guys will not be looking for a new place to work…

Your out of your mind if you think Minnesota will take Gerald Green and Delonte West and 2 first rounders who are completely unproven for a proven All Star and future hall of famer.
Boston is going to be a much much much improved team next season when they are healthier and have made some trades and get the first or second pick of the draft this year.
Oden seems like the perfect fit for this team, but of course Durant wouldn’t be a bad consolation prize, and the C’s will get either one of these players without given up anyone.
Besides that Gerald Green could end up being a very important piece to Boston’s future, he’s coming along and next season could be his break out season, so I say hold on to him one more season.
Wally should be getting traded and possibly Telfair or Allen Ray

Green stays …No thanks

Troy Hudson and Mike James add up to $11mil for another 3 years. Garnett has an opt-out after next season. Theoretically, we could end up with those two crappy contracts, and nothing else, after just one season. Even if Garnett stays, we are basically paying him $33mil per year, because those two are junk.
I would rather give up more talent, and take on less money. We are handcuffed from signing any other young guys (TA, Gomes, Rondo, etc). Forget about signing any FA.

I assume “future draft pick” doesn’t include this one coming up. WHat’s the roster if we draft Oden?

C – Oden
PF – Al
SF – KG? Kg will play small forward?
SG – Pierce
PG – Rondo – hmmm

I honestly think if we make a trade for a star, it’ll be a point guard. If we draft Oden or Durant… C/PF/SF is already locked in.

meh, id rather this site concentrate on current celtics issues rather then bogus trade ideas.

can a moderator move these topics to the trade forum?

I don’t want KG. He is a stud. He will make any team he plays for a playoff team and maybe even a title contender, but I do not want to risk the future for a couple of shots at a title. I know, we haven’t had a “future” in some time so many of us say why not go for it…sure, but not by giving up 2 Unprotected first rounders AND GG. That would only leave us a few years to capture the title and if not, then Paul and KG retire or move on and we are left with no draft picks and only Big Al to lean on. No thanks to that deal.

C – Oden
PF – Al
SF – KG? Kg will play small forward?
SG – Pierce
PG – Rondo – hmmm

what a lineup
wont happen though. they wont give up KG so easily. no way!

most likely there will be no celtics blockbuster trade in the offseason. there is a good chance we will draft Durant at #2.. Perkins will turn into a decent starting centre as his foot FINALLY heals and he sheds a little weight. Jefferson keeps getting better. Green learns to dribble and becomes an offensive weapon taking the ball to the hole and posterising intraffic. Allen returns and continues his great development.

Perk/AL
AL/Durant/Powe
Durant/PP/Green
PP/Allen/West
West/Rondo/??

If we do draft Oden or Durant I’d want to get a good PG not trade for KG.. would you give up Rondo/West/Theo/2008#1Pick for a good PG? Probably!

You’ve got to be kidding, Jeff. Green is a long shot and overrated. West is the most overrated player on the Celtics. And they take Wally too? The draft picks are of questionable value (assuming one isn’t the 2007 pick), because if we land Oden or Durant, that makes us a lot better quickly.

Even worse, you assume that this move alone instantly makes us contenders. KG makes us better, but we need other pieces (players, coach and GM) and TIME to get there. We sabotage our future for how many more years of mediocrity?

The young players the Celtics have is grossly overrated here. Go outside of Boston. Other teams are interested in AJ. That’s it. Green is intriguing, perhaps, but no one is willing to give up any real value for him. The rest are role players, at best.

how would this deal ever beat Odom and Bynum or Thomas, Deng, Hinrich for KG. No way Minny does this deal. We are talking about KG here!

So, if Pierce makes a trade demand, we’d be happy to ship him away for a package of something like Tyrus Thomas, Chris Duhon, Michael Sweetney and PJ Brown? Because that’s basically what we offer for KG here.

You underestimate the value of McHale knowing he has to make a great deal if he ever does deal KG. This would not be it. To get a true super player we would have to move either Al or the shot at Oden or Durant. That won’t happen. Even Ainge isn’t that strange!!

  Bad, bad idea! Don’t even think about it.

Money matches but thats it. There simply is not enough talent included that the Wolves want. They will want a talented big man for a talented big man IMO.

Gerald just doesnt have that wow factor around the league to compensate enough for not having a big in the deal. 8)

Lakers are not giving up both Odom and Bynum – NO WAY.

Bulls no longer have the matching contracts, P.J. Brown’s has now expired.

I tend to agree that the TWolves would push really hard for this year’s pick (and I really don’t want to give that up). Also, I would prefer a trade with fewer moving parts – that really juggles both teams’ rosters in a disorienting way.

In the end, I think that would be very close to the top deal on the table – but I wouldn’t be surprised to see the TWolves take an equal or lesser deal that provides some more short term help.

Can people PLEASE STOP assuming the Celtics are getting one of the top two picks? It’s called a lottery[/i] for a reason. It’s fine to suggest it as a hypothetical, just please put an [i]if - “before you jinx the band and they break up.”

Anyone making an offer for KG this summer has to know they may only be getting his services for a single season – two if they’re lucky. He’s basically a hired gun. I don’t think the Bulls will offer the farm and I feel the above trade is fair, even if it handcuffs our organization financially.

I think he’ll go to the Lakers or go nowhere. Any good GM will think hard about giving up too much talent and taking on too much salary for one year of any player, even KG.

How does anyone here NOT do this? I lie Gerald Green too, but lets not over value potential here. Garnett and Jefferson would be huge on the same team. This is an awesome trade proposal for us, which is the same reason it wont happen. Unless McHale grossly overestimates the value of draft picks, it wont happen at all.

Real value is relative, Jeff. The point of a trade should be to make the team better, and I am not sure it works for either here.

No thanks…if we land Durant in the upcoming draft, we have our Kevin Garnett, 10 Years younger. Lets see where we end up in the draft first.

replace west with Sebastian, find a third team to take on james on hudson and it would be the deal I was thinking about.

You might ban me from the Celticsblog for saying this but, I rather trade for PGasol(27yrs.old and 4-5yrs left on his contract) than for KG(31yrs.old, can opt-out after next season)…and we might not even have to give up as much. I know KG is a better defender and probably has more heart(which is key), but in every offensive stat and blocks, PGasol is just as good, and a better post-player to put..IMHO

…anyways, sometimes I think that what AJefferson needs is a side kick who can knock the open 15footer and don’t comand the ball so much and who can rebound….heck, Brad Miller comes to mind. I don’t know his numbers and salary but, how about a guy like that?

Lets trade for PJ Brown he can knock down the open 15 ft jumper, can rebound and is a great locker room presence who could really tutor the young guys.

c- AL Jeff
pf- Durant
sf-Green
sg-Pierce
pg-Rondo/West

are you referring to Kevin Garnett from the Timberwolves team that lost to the Golden State Warriors by 20 points last night? If he is all that and a bag of chips, how does a team with his presence fair so poorly right now?

Minnesota says “no thanks”

I am not clear on what draft picks Minnesota is getting back….is it this years? Is Minnesota getting its pick back? Getting a first round draft pick from the Celtics with Garnett & Pierce on the team is probably going to be in the low twenty range.

It is largely believed that Minnesota already has a deal in place with Houston to trade Mike James while we get back Juwan and a 1st round choice. Anyways, there is still enough value for Mike James that we don’t need your help in getting that contract off our hands. Thanks for taking Thud though.

The only parts of that deal we would value is getting Green, dumping Thud and getting the choices. While i like DWest as a backup PG & defensive energy guy – we don’t want to give up value to acquire a guy who is often injured and isn’t really a true PG. Minnesota has had enough of tweeners playing PG. Rondo has much more upside to be a PG of the future.

We are happy enough to take back Wally & Theo’s contracts. If we traded KG we would also move Ricky Davis – which would be fairly easy due to his contract. Also, we would need to have a deal in place to dump Blount. Don’t want him around especially during a youth movement. I know Blount would be very, very hard to dump

Any team that trades for KG would need to have KG agree to an extention before the trade happened. But, i still think its 99.99% certain KG stays in Minny and if not Chicago would offer a much better package.

No offense, but awful due to the picks..

Minn might say no, but it depends on what’s going on behind the scenes that we don’t know. KG might have said that he wants out or he might do that after the season. As he can opt out after next season, this might be there last shot to get something of value in return. I don’t really see Chicago as a destination, they could easily have gotten Gasol this year with PJ expiring contract and Thomas, Duhon and the Knick’s 1st rd pick back in Dec. They passed on that. Now they don’t have the expiring contracts and would have to give up their core people, I can’t see that happening. As for LA, I can’t see them giving up both Odom and Bynum, plus other players to make the cap numbers work.

So this deal might be the best they get before KG can opt out. I also have an issue with dealing this year’s pick. However, before that can happen we will know where we are picking and I can’t see Danny trading the pick if it was the #1 pick – I would take Oden over KG based on upside, youth and his defensive skills. Now if I could get both, that would be different!