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Inside the Numbers - TWolves Pick

Remember that Wally trade? I often forget, but we actually do have a future 1st rounder coming to us from the TWolves. Of course, there is a complicated set of protections and restrictions associated with it. Here is an article from a year ago explaining everything (hat tip to Gant on the RealGM forum).

For those die-hard draft fans who want all the details, here's how the protection on this pick works: If the Timberwolves send a pick to the Clippers in 2007, we receive the Timberwolves' pick in 2009 if it falls outside of the top 14, in 2010 if it falls outside of the top 5, in 2011 if it falls outside of the top 3, or in 2012 unconditionally. If the Timberwolves send a pick to the Clippers in 2008, we receive the Timberwolves' pick in 2010 if it falls outside of the top 14, in 2011 if it falls outside of the top 5, or in 2012 unconditionally. If the Timberwolves send a pick to the Clippers in 2009, we receive the Timberwolves' pick in 2011 if it falls outside the top 14, or in 2012 unconditionally. Finally, if the Timberwolves send a pick to the Clippers in 2010, we receive the Timberwolves' pick in 2012 unconditionally.

Got all that?

This is all triggered by the Wolves finishing out of the bottom 10 this year. Can you guess where they are now? 10th place. ClipperBlog is watching closely.

By the way, if you just can't get enough of this, here is a link to several Inside the Numbers stories.

Also, here is an article from a Minnesota paper accusing the Celtics of being the TWolves (tankers) of last year.

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I canNOT wait until this pathetic season comes to its merficul end.

by mcpu40 on Mar 25, 2007 7:32 AM EDT reply actions  

Hey!, Jeff, right up my alley…Minny’s at 10, one-half game worse than New York…makes for an interesting last few games…It’s unlikely, but a definite possibility that NYC will tank, Minny go to 11 or 12, send pick to Clips and then begin to rebuild with KG in Malibu or something and in two years we’d have a juicy pick…The whole business is crazy, but chess-like enough for a bag of corn…

by BoundingRounder on Mar 25, 2007 8:16 AM EDT reply actions  

That is funny in a kidney stone kind of way

by Green Mountain on Mar 25, 2007 8:48 AM EDT reply actions  

There’s no doubt in my mind that Minnesota will go into “tank mode” over the last couple of weeks of the season, if they’re not already doing so now.

by Roy_Hobbs on Mar 25, 2007 8:49 AM EDT reply actions  

Roy, the question perhaps is, Can Minny out tank Isiah?…I’m sure you get what I mean…And stilacelticsfan…You’re being too hard…If you went back to Telfair’s senior season in HS, you’de see that he averaged 31 points per 32 minutes and, I think, 8 assists…He was the most high-flyig point guard ever…ever!…Portland made a supposed decision: We will go half-court with Zack…In their words, it was go up-tempo with Telfair, or deliberately with Randolf…They went big…Bassy foundered.
What we perhaps should be wondering is, Where the hell did the phenom go?…What happened?…and how can we get it back?
Telfair is a bit pudgy, don’t you think…I believe he should hang with Perk and chisel…He has speed and quickness, and he must have had a shot (31 points in 32 minute games)…There’s more than meets the eye. Don’t give up hope entirely even if he is given to 50K platinum necklaces and Bentley’s…I’d almost bet (almost) on his underlying competetive fire…Afterall, he is still a kid in the man’s world of a Point Guard.

by BoundingRounder on Mar 25, 2007 9:17 AM EDT reply actions  

why would NY tank? they don’t have a pick

by Jeff Clark on Mar 25, 2007 10:35 AM EDT reply actions  

For all the critics of Danny, at least we do not have Kevin McHale’s or Isiah Thomas’ bonehead moves to deal with. I loved his game so much that it hurts to say this but Kevin McHale may be worse GM than Isiah. I knew about the Joe Smith debacle but Marco Jaric for Sam Cassell and a #1!!! At least he let Marcus Banks go. And, while Wally hasn’t panned out yet, how could someone bring Mark Blount into their clubhouse?

by Wildblu1 on Mar 25, 2007 11:45 AM EDT reply actions  

The Knicks do have a pick I believe, however, they will flip flop number one’s with the Bulls in this year’s draft. The Knicks have absolutely no incentive in tanking, in addition, they do have an outside chance of securing the eight and final playoff spot.

by DAS on Mar 25, 2007 11:46 AM EDT reply actions  

Stern should of taken away another 5 picks from Minny for that Madsen fiasco.

by johnnyrondo on Mar 25, 2007 12:39 PM EDT reply actions  

..I am a bit slow….how does this relates to the 2007 Cs scouting/draft?

…or are we just thinking 2-5yrs ahead?

by cocofan on Mar 25, 2007 2:52 PM EDT reply actions  

Grant is wrong. We don’t get the pick in 2012 unconditionally. The same conditions apply — top 14 protected, top 5 protected, and top 3 protected, depending on how many years it has been since we became eligible for it. If we don’t get the 1st round pick in 2012, then it becomes a 2nd round pick in 2012. And that would really stink.

Regarding some other comments:

New York won’t tank, since their pick goes to Chicago.

We’re thinking 2-5 years ahead.

Finally, I’m really upset at McHale for firing the coach back when the team was actually playing well. I think there’s a good chance that we’ll never see that 1st round pick, and we’ll get the 2012 2nd round pick instead.

by dslack on Mar 25, 2007 3:09 PM EDT reply actions  

The final four is huge this year. Durant is staying school or at least that is where my money is and Oden I feel even more confident will stay in school. Hibbert could very well be in Green next season. Like it or not. If you watched this G-Town team play Hibbert did well and in my opinion would be an big upgrade of size and ability over Perk. Does everybody feel that a dominant Jefferson and Oden would work necessarily. Not saying it wouldn’t but a 7’2" center who can give you 10-10 every game wouldn’t be a bad thing.

by richardlight86 on Mar 25, 2007 7:03 PM EDT reply actions  

That Kevin Garnett hit the winning shot at the buzzer last night to give Minny a win over the Blazers has to bring a smile to the face of Celtic fans. Hopefully the T-Wolves can hang in the playoff race long enough to keep them out of the bottom ten and serve that draft pick to the Clippers. By the time the Celtics claim their #1 from them, perhaps Garnett will have been traded and they will be rebuilding.

by lemonadesky on Mar 26, 2007 6:51 AM EDT reply actions  

Hi dslack,

The above information is blissfully correct. It is a quote from an article written last April on Celtics.com by Michale Zarren. “Michael Zarren is the Celtics’ Basketball Operations Analyst, responsible for assisting team decision making through the use of quantitative and legal analyses.”

by Gant on Mar 26, 2007 7:37 AM EDT reply actions  

Gant is right.

My apologies. Right you are! I had apparently misread that same article a while ago and I didn’t go back and double check it before writing my post. I apologize for besmirching your good name. (I suppose I can take solace in the fact that it wasn’t even your name that I besmirched, as I called you “Grant”….) And I’m glad you’re right.

So, we only get a 2nd round pick if Minnesota hasn’t sent their pick to LA by 2010. Which means they just have to finish out of the bottom 10 sometime before 2010. That seems pretty likely.

by dslack on Mar 26, 2007 8:31 PM EDT reply actions  

No worries. It would be very interesting if the Wolves stretched it all the way out to the expiration date before finally sending their Clippers the pick in 2010. Then the Celtics would go into the 2012 season knowing they had the pick with no conditions at all.

by Gant on Mar 27, 2007 10:16 AM EDT reply actions  

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