Youth Card Getting Old

Youth card was old a year ago ..

in the video, did you see him slip up

when they asked him about a potential Gasol, garnett or J.O deal he said

“we will be accquiring” before correcting himself.

I think Wyc has toldhim to use the chips to get a marquee guy, obviously we have the chips to get a deal done

i completely agree. the youth card needs to 100% be thrown out the window from here on out

that was a slip of the tongue if anything .. dont read too much into it..

So funny. How old do you expect everyone to be next year? Al, Perk, Rondo, Green, West, Allen, et al… Oden or Durant… So let’s see, if nature doesn’t reform the order of her law, you’re going to hold whom accountable? Danny, Doc Paul Pierce? And you’re going to do this by what? Pouting? Can’t wait for the next change of heart. Older as the youth excuse is the griping about a legitimate appraisal of our team. We’re young. We will be so until…we age.

They’ll be playing the youth card, because even if they luck out in the lottery, Oden and Durant are 19 years old and not NBA ready. Durant is nowhere near ready defensively. They’ll also play the injury card, and if Ainge makes a trade the “no roster continuity” card. They’ll play the “Hey he made the shot, what could I do,” card, the bad luck card, the misaligned phases of the moon card, the race card and the dog ate my homework card.

There will always be an excuse, beause that’s what losing general managers and coaches do.

danny has drafted for athletic ability. our guys have it. what seems to be the case often is a lack of smarts. some of it may be inexperience some might not. if he does go for a/or some vets, i hope he gets ones with smarts.

When your average team age at the end of the season is 22 years old, I think the “youth excuse” still has some validation to it.

I think what should be said is that the “whole losing card thing” is getting old. We need to do something about that. I want to see playoffs next year!

Youth, the potential of youth, is exciting and our guys, have exhibited NBA talent. However, we’ve also demonstrated that we can’t beat other teams’ #8-#12 guys. Telfair is truly terrible. Alan Ray is not inspiring. Gerald Green will be next year’s Al Jef so I’m a fan but, boy, he is someone’s toast every night. Perk just doesn’t look like starting NBA talent. But you want him on your team. Gomes has improved his shot but plays soft some nights. Leon Powe is the one in the last month who proved himself I think. Rondo, we all know, is a shot away. Delonte..you can write him in for 40 games and out for 40 games. Doc did not have the players this year but he didn’t over-achieve either. Not by a long way. Make him earn his extension with wins next Fall.

I really hope “pressures” don’t infuence Danny to make move for a veteran big guy.

Bill Simmons in his ESPN column counting down the MVP canidates
26. Kevin Garnett
I know it’s not his fault. I know. At the same time …

A. He missed the playoffs for three straight years in his prime.
B. He made it past the first round once in his entire career.
C. You can’t say those things about any other “superstar” from the past 30 years. Not one of them.

I wouldn’t trade Al for Garnett straight up never mind throwing in the pick which could be a big man; (preferably a big man that can face the hoop and can shoot or beat his defender with the dribble and that can complete a Celtic rotation of 3 big men (18 fouls to give)).

It is hard to player evaluate with only seeing a team 2X/yr but what I noticed is that Garnett falls away on all his shots, even his jump shot has him going backwards; his “money” shot is the baseline follow away. Going towards the basket is alway best near the end of a game.
Garnet is disappointing to me in that he came into the league, like McHale, with that follow away shot and really never developed the other ones like McHale did.
Al goes to the hoop with power, nifty moves, good feet, and great hands and he is only going to get better; there are only a few players he has trouble scoring on now.

I love playing that ESPN lottery simulator! Giddeeyuppp!!! Brings me back down to earth big time. I think we have a better shot at seeing Gasol in Celtic green next year than Oden. Hope I’m wrong!

Everyone here knows the reason we are not a great team, notwithstanding the injuries of this year, is our youth and inexperience. What do you want them to say when reporters ask them why they struggled this year and what will help them improve next year?! The correct answer is we are too young of a team. Look at all of the contenders for a championship this year! They all have experienced veterans. This young of a team is not experienced enough to play great at the end of close ballgames or to prevent getting blown out in spurts and getting behind. Youth IS the reason!!! Do we want them to lie to us and tell us that the reason we weren’t better is because we needed to shoot the 3 more, or make more free throws?! Any reason other than YOUTH is not accurate. Why are we surprised or resent the fact they are telling the truth. The question is what are we going to do about it?!

One thing I noticed last night is that for much of the game our “young guys” were better than their 7-12th players. If you pulled their starters (which a few of them were already sitting) Prince and Rasheed, I wouln’t trade them straight across for their bench. That tells me that we are close and improving. A good pick in the draft, a good veteran acquisition, and we are there. Maybe not title contenders yet, but definitely Eastern conference contenders.

If we had Wally and Theo and Pierce the entire year without injuries hitting us we would have won 10-15 more games easily. The reason we would still not be contenders is Theo isn’t a game changer anymore, and Wally has limits to his game. We have 3-4 of our young guys that should turn out much better than either one of those two. If we can add a little depth and experience through trades or free agency we can get to a point where we are contending deeper in the playoffs. 17 more wins this year and we were in… Considering our injuries that’s not much of a stretch.

Ya, our “young” guys like Perk, Jefferson4, West, Allen…are not young players anymore. Sure there age is young, but they’ve been in the NBA for 3-4 years now. Most teams would call them Veterans by now.
I love when Paul says we need to bring in Veterans. I’m pretty sure hes trying to say… This team sucks, and im tired of the players on it.
Amen

Well if we end up at #3 we can look forward to adding a couple of veterans then we’ll see if we have enough experience.

“I wouldn’t trade Al for Garnett straight up never mind throwing in the pick which could be a big man; (preferably a big man that can face the hoop and can shoot or beat his defender with the dribble and that can complete a Celtic rotation of 3 big men (18 fouls to give)).”

Wow. I hereby nominate 4thgenfan for CelticsBlog HOY (Homer of the Year).

Legend, comparing in hindsight Bird winning in his second year is kind of easy. What you don’t state is the veterans he was playing with. Tiny Archibald, Cedric Maxwell, Robert Parish… Not to mention another incredible youngster with him in McHale. If Pierce had a couple of stars like these guys with him, he’d probably have a title also. You can’t compare the 81 class and this team… Take all but one of these guys away from that team and what would Bird have won… Nothing…

Are you saying that if next year we have the same injury problems and have our top 5 guys out a huge chunk of the year then we should be going deep in the playoffs?! Come on. That is nonsense. These young guys got better and better this year as they were forced into full playing time that most weren’t ready for. Big Al shone. That’s great. We knew he had the potential to be a star. Rondo shone. Also great. Green shone offensively at times and at times looked like a young kid. Fine. You could put any coach you wanted to out there with the injury problems we had this year and they wouldn’t have done much different. They WILL be better next year because of it, but we better not have Pierce go down like he did this year or it will be the same story. Maybe 6-10 more wins, but same story.

EJPLAYA said:
  “Everyone here knows the reason we are not a great team, notwithstanding the injuries of this year, is our youth and inexperience. What do you want them to say when reporters ask them why they struggled this year and what will help them improve next year?! The correct answer is we are too young of a team.”

No, the correct answer is that Doc Rivers, at least, should not be given the opportunity to answer that question, escept in his capacity as a TNT analyst. Then I really don’t care what he says.

I want a coach who expains why we are winning, not one who makes excuses for losing.

Brickowski, your right

But, I’m not sure what everyone in here does for work, but when dealing with your jobs or family, you always try to keep things in house and not allow outsiders know what is going on. The Celtics are a business and they are run as such. We are the paying customer, but if we don’t like the product we can go else where, problem is I’m not driving hundreds of miles to watch a game else where so I have to settle with what I have or do something else with my time.

Honestly Danny and Doc don’t have to tell us a thing, same goes for Belichick, Pioli or Theo and Company.

It’s there company to run it as they wish. We are really a small speck to them on a large scale.

We are looking at things as fans as they do as well, but they also look at it as a business, it’s there company. Doc and Danny don’t owe us a thing in telling us what they are doing.

They basically tell us the minimum or what they’d like us to know.

When running a business you never expose yourself to the outside world that may affect what you are doing. We donâ€â"¢t have to agree with it, but it happens all the time.

The young guys got playing time but who who increased there trade value?
Gerald, no.
Telfair, no.
Perk, no.
 Gomes, maybe a little but how much of a chip is he anyway.
TA, he was on his way, but has no value now.
 Delonte, he may have had more value 12 months ago.

The only increased trade value is Rondo, Jefferson and the #1 pick.

I totaly agree youth can not be qn excuse anymore. not from the guys on the roster. I expect green and perkins both to step up their games as in breakout year for each. Lokking back over the 35 games pierce missed. if we had won a thitd of them we would have made the playoff and gotten a mid first round pick again. I am certainly glad that did not happen. thus i am not so mad angry or upset as to how the seasn went. Here’s Hoping we get an Impact Player our of the draft this year regardless where we are picking. hopefully we also can get a good trade or two that will have a positive impact on the team’s play as well. we should settle for no less than a forty win season in any event.

Steve Bulpett is a complete moron for this comment. That comment makes absolutely not sense at all. Some times in life….things happen. This season was an excellent example of that, Tony Allen, Paul Pierce, Wally Szcerbiak all went down with big injuries this year. Delonte West wasn’t the same until about halfway through the year. Al Jefferson wasn’t completely healthy until almost half way through the season. The only screw up on Doc’s part was not playing Rondo until the second half of the season.

But the bottom line is that heading into next year, we will have a healthy west, healthy pierce, a dominant Jefferson and hopefully a healthy TA. Along with that, if we get Kevin Durant or Greg Oden, we instantly move into the top 4 in the East, Day 1 of next year. Our fate clearly does lie on those ping pong balls, but I don’t know why everyone is so mad about this season.

Honestly it was a blessing in disguise that all those injuries happened. If they didn’t, we would have had the great fortune of squeaking into the playoffs as a 7th seed at best and losing to either the Pistons or Cavs in the first round. And we wouldn’t be getting a possible crack at Oden or Durant. So you tell me, which scenario is better?

Nothing like a 10 year plan…

 Bulpett has no credibality. He gives Doc a complete PASS. When he said the other night he would take West over Rondo I LOL. That statement alone tells you he knows absolutely nothing. Injuries happen, but good coaches still find a way not to lose 18 in a row even with youth. Coaching makes good players better!
 We will not be a force in the playoffs until we get a good coach. Kind of reminds me of the Bulls with Doug Collins. They didn’t go anywhere until they brought in Jackson. Collins again with the Pistons replaced by Brown. In the playoffs with Doc at the helm we will sink!!!

“Wow. I hereby nominate 4thgenfan for CelticsBlog HOY (Homer of the Year).”
Thanks Sean P; I’ll take the award; no dought I’m am a Homer but please let me share my enthusiam by asking these 2 questions:

How valuable is an inside scorer to a NBA championship team?

In the NBA, who are the best young inside scorers?

If you have one, keep him! The Celts may have the best young one.

Brick, you didn’t answer the question as to what we would have done with the very best coach on the planet this year. I think coaching decisions could have netted us 4-5 more wins max, but that still doesn’t change the fact that the current roster without Pierce, Wally, Theo, TA, Perk and Al for some of it, West and Scal for some of it, Olowakandi… All of your older players that had the experience to pull us through a lot of tight games missed considerable time this year and led to the situation we are in. Don’t skirt the question for once. Answer this: How many games less do the Mavericks win losing Nowitzki, Terry, Josh Howard, Stackhouse, and Dampier?! Should you blame Avery Johnson then because they weren’t contenders?! Come on team… You don’t need all those leaders. I don’t care how young you are just win!! Let me see what Doc does this next year with a team that isn’t riddled with injuries and then we assess blame there. What are you going to say if we win 45-50 games next year with all those crow feathers sticking out of your mouth?! I can say that I have always said Doc is an average coach that has players like him but it was the players that made him look better. If they don’t improve dramatically with health then I am all for giving him the boot.

 It will not matter how many we win if we are out coached in the first round and exit early!! That is where coaching takes center stage!!!

I know she is generally not a fav here, but I was thrilled to see Springer basically call for Doc’s firing in her chat today.