Sam Smith Is Silly

Deng and 9 for Jefferson and I might be more inclined to listen.

i wouldn’t mind both but it seems rondo would be the chip for conley.

Sam Smith shouldnt even be a sports writer after posting this crap.

(although I wouldnt be entirely surprised if Ainge did something this stupid)

If Ainge wouldn’t trade Jefferson in an Iverson trade, he’s not even going to think about trading Jefefrson in a Conley trade.

agree with Jeff – this is mostly about Conley’s dad being Greg Oden’s agent. Truthfully – you might blow a 2nd rounder on a pick to make your new franchise player happy, but are not going to give up a major piece to get the number 9 pick. There’s no indication that he’s like Stevie Franchise, who apparently needed Cat Mobley around in order to play

Deng and 9 for Jefferson and I might be more inclined to listen.

::belly laugh::

Because nobody in the league can get double-doubles with little defense in complete garbage time in a garbage season on a garbage team. Deng only just scored 33 in a playoff game. Since it’s been a couple years maybe it’s been forgotten that the stakes and level of play are slightly raised.

Not saying Jefferson can’t do something similar in the same position but there’s no way to prove it until he plays on a good team for once.

Actually that scenario might play out by natural cause and effect. Should Conley drop to the middle of the first-round, a future first-rounder might be enough to secure the needed pick as with the deal to take Rondo last year.

or else the celtics might be able ot trade some combo of green, west, theo, rondo, and whomever for the #9. conley is pretty good.

BullsBlogger, I can’t let you downplay Jefferson’s game like that. These weren’t just double-doubles in garbage time. Over the second half of the year Al was an automatic 20 and 15 on 50% shooting. I realize Chicago has never had a post threat like that, so you’ll have to take my word for it, those are elite numbers.

Jeff, you are so right in observing that it is Sam’s “time to shine”. His spouting of off-season ideas is a reliable (and enjoyable) as Isiah destroying whatever player, team, or league (R.I.P. CBA) he touches.

Nevertheless, Sam must be learning because he compares Al to Gasol.

…even a wing-nut like Smith sees Al’s abilities rising.

"::belly laugh:: "

Jefferson is already better than Deng, and he will probably end up much better.

That being said, I do like Deng a lot. Not only is he a very good player, but he was smart enough to leave Dook after 1 season before Coach K transformed him into another overrated stiff like most of the Dookies in the NBA.

Actually I think that pairing Conley and Oden is a lousy idea. It would stifle the development of both players. The NBA isn’t high school or college. Do you think those two guys could “take over” an NBA team? Maybe in 5 years, but not now.

And the Bulls can probably forget about Conley with pick #9 because I think he’ll go before that. IMHO he won’t get past the Blazers or Sonics.

He’s Mental!!!

Jughead said:

“I thought he was suggesting that we trade Al Jefferson and a pick for Gasol so that Memphis could pick Conley to pair with Jefferson/Oden. Or in the Bulls case Memphis might be willing to demand only one prospect this time around – Deng or Gordon instead of both in addition to the #9 pick in exchange for Gasol. However, he’s still nuts if he thinks that Gasol is worth Jefferson and our pick – I’m not even sure I would trade Jefferson for Gasol even if they were paid the same and could be swapped evenly.”

Agree 100%. I wouldn’t trade Jefferson for Gasol, never mind the pick. But I was questioning that Oden and Conley together on an NBA team is a good idea in the first place. I think each player would develop more rapidly if not constrained by the other.

I really like Conley and think he has CP3 potential or close to it.

I would agree with that too, Jughead, although I really don’t like Gasol’s defense.

ucn33 said:
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Jefferson is already better than Deng, and he will probably end up much better.

That being said, I do like Deng a lot. Not only is he a very good player, but he was smart enough to leave Dook after 1 season before Coach K transformed him into another overrated stiff like most of the Dookies in the NBA. "

Deng is a superior player to Jefferson. There’s no way in the world that Chicago would give him up in any trade to Boston just for Jefferson, and the notion that Chicago would toss in their pick makes me think that Moranis didn’t get any sleep for about 72 hours before posting. He’s usually much more on the ball than that.

Oh, I forgot the P.S.

Deng is younger than Jefferson.

Ok, I’ll be the first to say it… if we’re going to go young, it would be Pierce sent out the door. (Or better said, Pierce will be asking for the door).

Pierce won’t bring back Deng (sorry homers), but he would get us something like Nocioni, Thomas and the #9.

(I’m not saying I would do that, but that’s the scale of what we’d get back.. obviously, that gives us roster size problems)

Hey Roy Hobbs:

“Roy Hobbs said:
  Yeah, I agree with Jeff. Absolutely ridiculous. No team is going to trade a major piece of its roster to acquire Conley simply because of the thought that Oden can’t function without him. I think there’s no basis for that opinion, anyway. Conley is a nice player; Oden is a potential superstar, and that has more to do with his size and skill than it does with who his teammates happened to be.”

Who his teammate happened to be!?!? You DO know that they both went to the same college because they played together in high school en route to multiple state titles… you knew that right?

I live in Columbus (after moving from Boston) and have watched Oden and Conley in person about 8 times this year. I’m not going to say that they “need” to play together, but any team would be incredibly lucky to get both. They obviously compliment each other well but Conley has a incredible knack for pacing the game to suit Oden. I love what Jefferson did this year, and would be gun shy of trading him for a rookie, but at the same time I have zero doubts that if Conley and Oden played together, they would be in the finals in the next 3 or 4 years.

Jefferson is far more valuable a player than Deng is. Deng is an exceptional talent, but a low post phenom like Jefferson is much harder to find than a tweener 3/4 type like Deng. For every 33 point game Deng posts, he’ll have four uninspiring 15 point games. Again, Deng is a great talent, but Jefferson is far more valuable in the NBA. Jefferson is a potential, if not probable 25 ppg, 12 rpg, 2 bpg player from the low post. Low post players, especially dominant ones, are rare. In a league where Sam Dalembert, and Tyson Chander get $50 million cuz they play in the post, what’s Jefferson worth? I can name a dozen wing players similar to Deng, while you can’t do the same with low posters.

C’s fans, go to church, throw coins in every fountain you cross, and sit out at night looking for shooting stars. The C’s need all the luck they can get on May 22nd.

As for Sam Smith, prosportsdaily.com always links his articles, and I sometimes wonder how he has a job that pays him to write about basketball. He’s a borderline moron when it comes to trade proposals. I think most of the posters in this forum know more about B-ball than he does.

“Over the second half of the year Al was an automatic 20 and 15 on 50% shooting.”

I wouldn’t consider him doing this three times in 40 games to be automatic…

Deng’s got more value around the league than Jefferson, he actually plays defense.

I WOULDN’T TRADE JEFFERSON FOR ANYBODY RIGHT NOW. HE HAVE YOUTH AND THE WILL TO GET BETTER. 16 POINTS 10 REBOUNDS IS GOING TO BE 23 AND 12 REAL SOON. THE EAST DON’T HAVE ANY REAL CENTERS. HE COULD PLAY CENTER IF WE GET DURANT OR PLAY POWERFOWARD IF WE GET ODEN. DENG IS VERY GOOD BUT HE CAN’T PLAY CENTER. NOW IF YOU LIKE DENG TRADE SOON TO BE OLD MAN PIERCE AND THROW IN GORDAN. NOW YOUR MAKING SENSE. JEFFERSON, DENG, GREEN,AND GORDAN. IF WE GET ODEN OR DURANT YOU CAN THROW ONE OF THEM IN. WE ALL WOULD BE PATIENT WITH THE PROCESS OF THE TEAM. AND WE WOULD BE IN THE PLAYOFFS.