Tony Allen Cleared of Charges

Finally a break! Could this be an omen of things to come? Bring on Josh McRoberts!!!

I’m sure Tony ate his sal-mon and mashed potatoes before the final trial. Good luck with the rehab Tony!!!

YAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY There should be a frickin parade!

I just got back from Chicago. Tony hired me yesterday morning to defend him today. It just took me 3 minutes to get him off the hook, at no cost to him. Great,isnt it!!!!!!!!!

the off season is starting well.

Hopefully this will be the last police related incident that we read about involving Tony ever again.

Funny what happens to the prosecution’s witnesses in situations like this. Poof!

Yeah that was a pretty bad knee he suffered from.

Glad to hear this is behind him. Hopefully his luck is turning around.

Time to make a “Tony Allen night at the Ga-en” commercial?

I’m surprised that Grousbeck didn’t rip Tony’s nameplate from his locker a week after the incident at the restaurant. What? Waiting for justice to be done? How novel! After all, Tony was tried and convicted on this board and other Celtics boards. Isn’t that enough?

that’s awesome. congrats Tony. Here’s to your monumental comeback!

and here’s to the State’s inability to prove that you ordered a man to beat up another man! Good work!

I agree. If Telfair played like Rondo this year, his name plate would probably still be there. But I think the management also considers whether the player seems capable of redeeming himself. I think Telfair, with his movie and P Diddy Posse, has an ego that is incapable of redemption at this point

He is most definitely legally innocent of all wrongdoing in connection with the incident at the restaurant. The judge said so, and in this country we aren’t allowed to try a man for the same crime after he’s been acquitted.

The reasons that people got down on Tony were NOT legitimate, unless someone actually was there and saw what happened. The state, with all of its police, forensic experts, prosecutors and all the rest had its chance, but the judge dismissed the case almost immediately. This wasn’t some long trial where the jury believed one set of witnesses instead of another. The judge threw the case out for lack of evidence because the prosecution had no case.

Let me add, by the way, that the police were obviously lying through their teeth when they said that the whole thing was captured on videotape. If it had been, the judge wouldn’t have thrown the case out after a few minutes. He might have thrown it out later after the lawyers briefed the issue of the admissiblity of the videotaped evidence, chain of custody issues and all the rest, but that would have taken weeks, if not months.

The prosecution had no case, just like in the matter of the Duke Lacrosse players.

So, Tony was found “most definitely legally innocent of all wrongdoing” in the concerned matter. Great. So was O.J.

And who are you, Roy Hobbs, to proclaim “moral guilt” unless you were actually there? “Judge not, lest ye shall be judged.”

Like O.J., Allen may have more to lose ($$$) in a civil case (as opposed to the criminal one).

I thought Roy Hobbs made a perfectly sensible remark, “Legal innocence ≠moral innocence ≠actual innocence.”
I don’t know, Brick… you’re sounding a bit judgemental.

Who cares who Allen hangs out with? He grew up on the South side of Chicago. Do you expect his friends to be angels? So now, in addition to “moral guilt” we have guilt by association?

What problems did Tony have? (Not that they would be admissible unless there were prior convictions, but why don’t you tell us what they were,Roy Hobbs.)

I’m issuing an open invitation to Tony to have lunch at my house anytime he wants.

I can’t help wondering how Brick, a cop’s son, feels comfortable declaring “the police were obviously lying through their teeth when they said that the whole thing was captured on videotape”?

And this, after Brick remarks about how it’s “funny what happens to the prosecution’s witnesses in situations like this. Poof!”

Let’s see, the witnesses decide they’ll no longer testify (for whatever reasons). And then maybe there was a video, but perhaps it’s audio wasn’t crystal clear. And so without the witnesses, the judge tosses the case.

Sounds a bit judgemental with regard to those policemen.

Well, they were lying. A good cop would have either obtained enough evidence to proceed with the case or dropped it. And not only am I a cop’s son, but I’m also a lawyer (although I don’t do criminal work). And a good DA would not have allowed the case to proceed.

So let me get this straight. The cops were obviously lying about one supposed piece of evidence, because they didn’t have “enough” other evidence (like witnesses who decide not to testify).

No. They were lying about the videotape. Because if the incident had been caught on videotape, the case would not have been dismissed. They conjured up the story about the videotape hoping that someone would sing. It was a performance almot as amateurish as Wyc Grousbeck’s performance in the Telfair incident.

Ton Allen is no angel, Roy Hobbs. He’s just innocent.

I totally agree with Brick. The case being thrown out at that stage would indicate the state lacked any evidence. Why be surprised by this? To compare T Allen with OJ is absurd.

I am so glad for him….its time to turn the corner.

I can’t seem to grasp the part about how there definitely wasn’t a videotape (of whatever audio quality)… because, the judge dismissed the case. I guess I’d have to go to law school to understand that logic.

As for the O.J. thing, that’s just a short-hand way of saying, not guilty isn’t the same thing as innocent.

i still wish that Tony was home in boston resting his knee at the time and not even around that garbage but this is a day i been looking forward to for a long long LONG time Anything tony did for the last few years i couldnt wrap my arms around because as a human being i cant support a criminal even if he is on my team. But now i can root for the guy for the first time in a while even though he did do that stupid idotic dunk that potentially could have ended his career no i can be paronoid over ping pong balls!!!!!!! but thats better then worrying weather or not someone is going to jail

Well, the question is whether or not the prosecution has enough evidence to proceed with the case. Do they have a witness? Do they have a videotape showing what happened? If the answer is yes, the case goes to trial. They select a jury, present the evidence, conduct examination and cross exammination, etc. etc.

If they don’t have any evidence, the judge tells the prosection to pack up and go home.

The OJ case went to trial. This one apparently did not.

No, the question is, for someone who was claiming someone else was being judgemental, where does he get off saying some policemen were obviously lying through their teeth? Regardless of the supposed strength of any prosecution’s case.

Leave it be Brick. You just overstated things a bit.

Crimninal cases aren’t tried before a judge unless everyone knows the outcome. No defense attorney would waive a defendant’s right to a jury otherwise. The trial was just a formality.

And so therefore… the cops were definitely lying.

Bench trials happen all the time in civil cases. In criminal cases, they never happen unless it’s a formality.

I’ll let the other lawyers here (and there are a few) be the judges of that.

Still, the cops were definitely lying, right?

Tony hangs around with gun-toting thugs. Tony had problems at OSU, the community college he attended, and with the Celts. Tony was charged with a felony.

What problems? I went to school there at the same time he did and don’t remember any problems. Eddie straightened him up, even if just for a few years!

Was he indicted?

“Finally a break! Could this be an omen of things to come? Bring on Josh McRoberts!!!”

please say that that was a joke about mcroberts…

Roy Hobbs, please stop before you ruin The Natural for me for good. I don’t want to think about some arrogant hot-shot lawyer while watching the movie.

Look there is no doubt that the rules for the rich and famous differ from those experienced by us in the stands. If Tony Allen couldn’t ball he’d be in jail for 5 to 10. But he can so good for him he gets to keep his millions and stay out of jail. My problem is that if Paul Pierce gets pulled over for a DWI while speeding with a gun I will bet my life you won’t see his name tag taken off his locker. Basically what the Celtics have said is we will support our good players when they get in legal trouble but we will cut our fringe ones. Which is both hypocritical and in my opinion disgusting.

It means nothing: nothing at all, but TA was in a far worse fracas than ST…Far worse…Yet Telfair is “kicked to the curb”…The Goat of the 06-07 season…It doesn’t ring true to me…I would rather he be cut for his dismal defense or erratic shooting; but a symbolic “badman” I don’t see him to be…

Excellent point BoundingRounder, food for thought.

That said, I am very happy for Tony that this incident is behind him.

I know he is not the first young athlete to get in trouble and he won’t be the last.

A lesson learned will be the best outcome.

Now, is this the beginning of the change of luck we need heading towards May 22?

I hope and pray so.

Please Lord, number 1 or 2, please.

Cheers

Aussie

;)

fair enough Roy. By the way, after re-reading my comment, it was a little harsh. My apologies.

I’m just glad Allen gets this behind him & can concentrate on getting healthy and playing.

Well I was wrong yesterday. According to the article in the Herald this morning there was a tape and it showed that Allen was innocent. Funny how certain people here assumed that it would confirm guilt.

Good man, Brick, you get points for admitting you were wrong yesterday (presumably about the cops supposedly lying). As for your follow up point, I, for one, hadn’t assumed anything about Allen’s guilt or innocence, and am glad he’s in the clear now. I was just troubled at hearing the cops being slammed.

Allen was not heavily penalized by the Cs even though there was a criminal case hanging over his head when it was time to extend him. It certainly is easy to argue that TA shouldn’t have been in the position where he was even charged with a crime, but in this country a person is innocent until a prosecutor can prove to either a judge or a jury that he is guilty, beyond a reasonable doubt. So to me, right now TA is innocent. Just like Telfair is innocent of having an unregistered handgun.

To the owner of the Cs, there is no presumption of innocence in Telfair’s case. Maybe Telfair made an agreement with his employer that he would not be involved with firearms. If he did, and broke that agreement. I could then, and only then, see the Cs cutting him loose before his latest gun charge went to trial. If not, they should have waited until his case was adjudicated.

OJ lost a civil case to the Goldman family when a jury found him guilty of murder. The standard in this case was a “preponderance of evidence” not “without a reasonable doubt.” I can call OJ a murderer*, not a murderer, with an asterisk.

no kidding said:
  "I was just troubled at hearing the cops being slammed.’

They still deserve to be slammed, and so does the DA. When they saw the exculpatory videotape they should have dropped the charges instead of letting the case drag on for 2 years. Waste of the taxpayers money.

Again, this was about pressuring Allen to finger the guy who had the gun. It wasn’t about Allen. They were using him to get at someone else.

Thank you, Eeyore III, for reminding the folks here that it was one of the guys in here that got TA out of trouble. ;)

Here I would surmise that the defense asked for a bench trial after reviewing the evidence and realizing that it was exculpatory. Remember that Allen is also being sued for damages. Here Allen got the best result possible, much better than a dismissal of the charges or an aquittal, which only shows the inability of the prosecution to establish guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. He got an affirmative statement from the judge that he was innocent. What this means is that he will almost certainly win on the civil side as well.

The DA probably agreed because he knew he had no case, and did not want to commit resources to pursuing a lost cause.

Some guys just can’t handle being shown wrong, huh Brick?

Sure it was standard aquittal language but after an abbreviated trial. It was the criminal equivalent of a summary judgment proceeding, was it not?

Read the article in the Herald. As soon as the videotape is introduced as evidence in the civil suit the plaintiffs are dead.

Well I thought I’d never see it, Brick admitting he was wrong. LOL You know it makes you wonder all the time all these lawyers are spending posting in here, I wonder if their clients are being billed for it. ;D

Glad to see Allen’s done with the criminal charges, he should of learned a leasson that will stay with him for life. Telfair apparantly never learned his.

Brick was right that the motivation was to preassure Allen to give up the shooter.

Funny – just read all of this – first of all, he got in “trouble” at community college – there is NO history of what kind of trouble, but I was told that it was his GPA!!!!!!!!!!!! Secondly, the stuff at OSU was a joke – and was treated as such…there weren’t 300 people in that parking lot – there wasn’t a riot – there was a fighting match i.e. between two RIVAL colleges – a black college (Langston) and Ok State. The terms being thrown around were “sellouts” aimed at Tony (from Chicago) and Cheyne Gadson (from New York) – Tony was all of 19 years old….no guns, no real fighting, a totally blown out of proportion argument that was dropped by the d.a.

Roy and company obviously have never been to Stillwater, Oklahoma