Bad Publicity

Mustn’t forget Cedric Maxwell’s contribution.

Amen to that, Jeff.

All in all good or bad, this team has been relevant in many ways.

Look around our world right now and what do you see, Don Imus! Virginia Tech! Duke Lacrosse etc.

You tell me, itâ€â"¢s not just basketball happening but our whole culture!

But for the real insiders there have been some good things. We all can remember what a fool Paul Pierce was after the playoffs a few years ago. Now he is a mature model of a pro and we are lucky to have him.

when did Perk get sued, and for what?

Chad Ford’s analysis of Wyc’s handling of this situation is absolutely right: it’s short-sighted and hypocritical, given the treatment TA has received. What if we can’t land the all-star we desperately need because we don’t have the extra 2 mil to make salaries match?

Telfair hasn’t been waived yet. Maybe Danny is convincing the Wycster to hold off on any more pronouncements until he can get Bassy moved.

It is ridiculous to do this, and reduce the value of an asset. Why not just keep your mouth shut, knowing within the organization what you want to do, and try to move him in a package. The answer is just what Telfair’s attorney said. A cheap opportunity for publicity. Just another example of short sighted management

Maybe they would get more positive press if they started doing intelligent things instead of stupid things.

mcpu40- absolutely!! May 22nd can’t get here fast enough.

When did perk get sued? Why? How did I miss this information.

So now we know it’s his wife’s gun…Whose car?…case dismissed!…
I think that it’s bad business that Wyc so casually is entering into the basketball operations arena…That’s Danny’s job, and this is America!…innocent until proven guilty (see Tony Allen!)…
If Wyc thinks for a moment that the rest of the league is gonna see our severing ties with Bassy as a difficult decision based on off-court behavior, he’s got a screw loose…
And even beyond that, it is an unkind gesture to assume that this foolishness in Brooklyn is cause for public ridicule…
Sometimes it’s best to keep one’s mouth shut thus increasing the odds that your foot won’t end up in it…

This is just bad business, plain and simple. I realize that Telfair was not a part of the long term plan, but to cut him and pay for his salary next year without even seeing if they could get anything in return is a poor decision. It’s obvious the gun was his own. If you remember, he got arrested at an airport for having a gun registered under his girl’s name previously. He is a kid who needs to grow up and become more responsible. Worried about your safety? Hire a bodyguard. That being said, Wyc made a bad decision. Tony Allen has been in trouble, but he is still around. So why the double standard? I agree with the org’s conduct policy and think it a good move. That being said, Telfair deserved to be treated better in this case. Wyc needs to get his act together, stop jumping around like Mark Cuban, and be more professional. Owner’s should not be acting like children on the sidelines.

If the celtics release Telfair, YOU HEARD IT HERE FIRST, He will become a legit pg in this league somewhere else, playing the system that he thrives in!

Agree with Dulany, Allen has been in the same, if not MORE trouble then Telfair, yet he gets a pass. I agree with Telfair’s lawywer, the C’s are using this as an EXCUSE to get rid of Telfair. It’s sad cause Telfair could have actually helped this team with a smart coach, playing a fast break tempo every game and letting him run the offense intsead of waiting around for open shots.

 " But for the real insiders there have been some good things. We all can remember what a fool Paul Pierce was after the playoffs a few years ago. Now he is a mature model of a pro and we are lucky to have him."

I’m a great player on a bad team….A mature model of a pro wouldn’t throw his teammates under the bus like that…..and if he was a mature pro, he’d have shown leadership by competing after the Orlando game. Nobody is unaccountable, IMHO.

This is a sanctimonious attempt at damage control.

Pierce is a HORIBLE LEADER! He needs to be moved to miami to be with his other egomaniac friend: FATOINE!

We will never be a serious contender with Pierce leading this team, that’s a given.

Thanks mcpu40!!

lets see how the teams plays next season with more matured and more dependable talent around PP.. if we get more stagnant iso plays with the ball sitting in PP’s hands while he thinks about what move to do or whether he is just going to jack it up from here he is while everyone else stands around watching.. then we need to move him asap!

or maybe its doc that will need to be moved or both?

00dc2 said:

“lets see how the teams plays next season with more matured and more dependable talent around PP.”

You mean like Kevin Durant?

Bad move by Wyc. Whats the point of cutting him? You might as well keep him around for trade bait.

best thing for Wyc is not to be like us bloggers and spill our guts out…… but to leave things in house and deal with it appropriately by tradiing him away or cutting him at the end of trainning camp

This is why being a fan is torment. The team is in the hands of a few men who we didn’t even vote on to run this team. we are paying money to an owner and having no say on matters. wha’t the point in supporting that??

Life isn’t fair. Yeah Tony Allen has gotten a longer leasch than Telfair, but Tony Allen, when healthy has produced more and looks to be the better prospect. I have no sympathy for Telfair. He knows the law. He gets paid more money than I will make in my lifetime and all he has to do is stay in shape and stay out of jail. Not hard.

I think Allen staying out of jail and doing well on his rehab is great news. He is going to be a solid contributor next year. Thank heavens.

John do u see foolish that sounds? rules are rules, u can’t bend them just cause someone is better then the other

Are there any examples —either concrete or leaked by a source —that have had Wyc involved with the basketball operations? Like a signing or trade perhaps? I have a bad feeling that Wyc made this decision without consulting someone on the basketball side of this and has subsquently ruined any chance of moving him. Even a 2nd rounder would have been nice.

You also forgot about poor D-West’s confrontation with his girlfriend. Not his fault, but still a bad headline.

If Telfair is cut then we should fire WYC!!

Telfair has TALENT! he isn’t the greatest scoring HS player ever for nothing! It’s not his fault that Nurse Rivers is a complete IMBASILE and used him the way allen ray should be used!

“John do u see foolish that sounds? rules are rules, u can’t bend them just cause someone is better then the other”

That sounds nice and everything but that is not how it works in professional sports. Do you think that any other Chicago Bull not named Jordan or Pippen could have gotten away with gambling and loosing huge sums of money in Atlantic City the night before a playoff game in New York? Do you think that Bird and McHale lived by the same rules that Gerry Sitching lived by back in the day? No. That is just not the way it works in professional sports.

ENOUGH ABOUT BASSY. IT’S TIME TO GO AFTER RICK CARLISLE!

John, WYC is using this as an excuse. He doesn’t like telfair. Telfair didn’t do anything to warrant him being cut. His girlfriend has a gun permit. Granted I hate guns but if he’s cut because of this, then WYC IS WRONG! it’s obvious that doc doesn’t like telfair and wyc is a big doc fan. end of story!

Amen to that, Whales.

Carlise can’t coach a sucesfull uptempo team

Since when are the Celtics an uptempo team?

since doc leaves!

… or successful for that matter? The Celtics suck ass. :’(

Doc can’t coach period..uptempo, half-court, young players old players, defensively, offensively…Carlisle clearly can. So that is a big step forward.

Well I’ll tell you what I’d be a hell of a lot more optimistic about the Celtics in 08’ with Rick Carlisle running the show. (See 05’ playoffs). I doubt anyone could’ve done anything with that mess in Indiana.

Obviously Carlisle is a better coach then Nurse, that’s a no brainer. However he’s still not the answer for celtic nation! we are the most storied franchise ever! we deserve the best!

One Word tp describe our team……DESPERATE, you can agree to disagree if you choose, but what other word describe that fact that the only good news is tony allen’s successful surgery?? Ok, soooo a possibly career ending surgery’s result is the only good news coming out of celtics nation???

Jeff said “At least the Tony Allen news is positive.”

How can Tony Allen’s situation be positive?! We are all a bunch of hypocrites! How do we possibly justify coming down this hard on Telfair over the things he has done when we completely ignore TA’s situation. He was caught on tape telling his boys to F@@@ him up and the guy shoots him. Just because some rediculous judge lets him go stating not enough evidence doesn’t change the fact that TA is a thug and should have been bounced out of the league. I am not defending Telfair’s actions at all. He broke the law and deserves to be made an example of. What is unjust however is the fact that we are all smiles about him having the charges dismissed when he is 100% proven guilty due to this video of his words. No one disputes that is what he said. Don’t tell me that Telfair did anything near as bad as TA. We keep him because he can help our team. Telfair tears it up this season he is still in Green next year and we love him. Hypocrisy at its finest!

First of all, I dont consider Red’s death tragic. He used tobacco all those years and still lived into his 80’s. That’s not a tragedy, that’s a victory!

Also, Wyc owns the team. So, he can pretty much say whatever he wants, assuming it complies with the First Amendment. Unfortunately, Wyc cant be fired. So lets all stop Grousing about him (oh, that was funny)

I dont know about others on this board, but I am not too worried about losing a 5 foot 11 point guard who cant shoot. I mean, we already have one of those anyway. Why do we need another?

okay i didnt read over half the comments but what has tony allen done that half as bad as bringing a loaded gun onto a plain?

The rest of these guys are trying to pretend it didn’t happen, but he and his thug friends assaulted some boys back home and TA told him to F@@@ him up and one of them shot the guy. Even if all he meant was to jump the guy and not shoot him, it’s still assault and shows his character. Bringing a gun on a team plane is not like you or I taking one through airport security on a public flight…

Hit the nail on the head stillaceltsfan. If Telfair had done what TA did we’d be screaming for his head! There in lies the hipocrisy…

this whole thing with the gun and the car is no big deal.

the way he played on the court this year is inexcusable. I wish him a better performance in court

  Bassie: “Honey, you left your loaded weapon in the car again”

Bassie’s wife: “Oh shoot, Im sorry, I forgot to take with me after I returned from the grocery store. That’s funny, I thought I had my Glock in my purse.”

Bassie: “That’s ok, no big deal. Hey, by the way, Im gonna take the Land Rover for a bit tonight to see some of my friends. Have you seen where the keys and my suspended Florida license is?”

Bassie’s wife: “It’s in the kitchen, hun, in the bowl next to the refrigerator.”

Forget that Danny gave away the 2nd pick to Portland and that we received Telfair & Ratliff for Lafrentz.

It’s still a good trade, because we have Ratliff as a “BIG” chip to make a trade whether we package him and a pick or players and acquire a “Quality” Veteran

Salary cap had alot to do with that trade. We have Jefferson looking for an extention along with Delonte and Allen; though the latter two should not cost us more that 3-5 Million a year.

I have not problem with the trade, Danny took a shot hoping that Telfair became someone… well he did… but not what we wanted….

Before the season we looked at having 1-2 of our young players developing into an All-Star calibar player. We have that and then some….

Ratliff is the key in who we receive in any trades made by Danny.

oooooooops 7th pick……. that was a Freudian slip

Red, the salary cap had nothing to do with it, because we own all those guys’ Bird rights already so we can re-sign them all irrespective of the salary cap situation.

And it’s not a good trade, because in a year we could have had Raef as a “BIG” chip to trade, AND we could have had Brandon Roy or Rudy Gay, too.

I’m glad Telfair is gone. I don’t think he had any “trade value”, just as I think Wally has very little trade value and if we wait several years, the same will happen for Pierce compared to what we could have gotten last season or this season with up coming players such as a Deng/filler salary and picks from Chicago when they were desperately looking for vet help.

Danny has had some stinker trades but staying the course made for a miserable season. All hopes hinge on ping pong balls. Oden/Durant and I’m singing Happy Days are here again. Selecting Noah is a “band aid” move.

The “fear” is always the Billups/J Johnson scenario where the guy goes out and becomes a star with another club. I don’t think it will happen with Telfair, if it does more power to him for turning his game and life around.

Red, If we use Ratliff in a trade for some veterans we will be bringing back same salary onto our cap, probably for additional years. Then when we add Al’s extension into it our payroll will be heading towards luxury land if not firmly in it. I don’t see our cheapo owners doing that. Maybe I’m wrong. Either Al & Theo get moved for a bigtime vet or Wally gets moved, which won’t happen, or Theo stays.

There’s something very wrong with this league, when bouncing ping pong balls can decide your fate for 10 years (take away Duncan from the Spurs). It is very difficult to improve your team with trades (thank you salary cap) and buying your way out of the basement is impossible (thank you salary cap) if you care about the bottom line (not Mark Cuban). The only real way to improve yourself is through the draft, and these days there isn’t much talent beyond the top 10. There is the rare gem deep in the draft, but then you have to be lucky or have an amazing eye for talent (if you cite Delonte West as being a “find”, you’re crazy — can’t play the point and too small to play the 2). Something is very wrong with the system when “expiring contracts” have so much value. Since the cap was revived for 84-85 the NBA and the Celtics have been in decline (quality of play and perhaps in inflation adjusted dollars as well). Here’s a prediction — the Celts do not get Durant or Oden and suck for another 10 years. College ball is where it’s at: a true free market for the best players. I’m very close to being done with the NBA, but if Oden or Durant comes on the scene it will be difficult not to watch.