Market Dried Up

I think I just suffered a stroke trying to understand the last paragraph. I think what you are saying is that Danny did okay with the dealing of the #7 pick given that we dumped Raef’s salary and we got a very promising pg prospect in Rondo. Like many situations with the team personnel, it will take several years to figure out if Rondo will really be the long term starting pg of the team. By that time, Pierce should be ready to retire.

“With 20/20 hindsight and a little creative imagination, Rondo would be worth a 7th pick last year and gambling on Telfair only cost us the 24th pick this year.”

Jeff, the Rondo part of your case is seconded by Schaller’s end of season rookie ratings. TenD
http://schallertpr.alliancesports.com/content.asp?CID=667593

Another aspect of this trade that doesn’t really get mentioned is that the C’s are going to have a much easier time dealing Ratliff’s expiring deal to land an all-star caliber player, as opposed to Raef, who has two years left. For those teams that are looking to shed salaries, Raef would be pretty unappealing…

This article was a back-arsed way of saying that Grousbeck’s idiot comments destroyed what little trade value Telfiar had, without actually coming out and saying it.

Translation of the “Springerese”: Telfair has zero value except as cap fodder in a larger deal.

Not that this make anyone leap for joy, but in the interest of full disclosure I believe we also receive a 2008 2nd rounder from Portland in the Telfair, er ‘draft day’ deals.

Give me a break, Brickowski! Telfair’s trade value was zilch. Not even Kevin McHale who bit on Marcus Banks. Wyc did exactly the right thing. Huge, strong statement…..F-up and you’re out of here. I certainly agree that Danny bailed himself out of a disaster by getting Rondo. Now it’s a push. We didn’t think Roy was a PG (still can’t tell) and Gay was another G.Green and too early to tell whether we made a mistake there.

No, the Patriots’ acquisition of Randy Moss was a strong statement. In contrast, the Celtics are just flailing around, like the Pats under Sullivan, Kiam and Orthwein, with coaches like Clive Rush.

And if it hadn’t been for the Michael Jackson victory tour, Sullivan might still own the team.

The acquisition of Telfair was about money. Saving millions and clearing cap space to resign a player like Jefferson is never a disaster.

The problem here is the team takes a tough stance but the league still makes the team bite the bullett with the salary. I’m not saying they should be able to just throw players aside, but the league and players union need to put together a process for major infractions by players. Possesion of a gun is a major infraction and this is the third time he has been involved with a gun insisdent. I like Telfair and think he can change and be a good player, but he needs to be taught a lesson, just not taking his career away from him. If the charges are not dropped, then a year ban from the league should be imposed, and the team should get the salary relief from this. What purpose should teams do what Wyc is doing if they still have to pay the salary.

If he loved Rondo so much, why didn’t he draft him with the 7th pick?

He didn’t love him enough, that’s why. He was lucky Rondo was there at 22.

IMO – He should have drafted Gay, traded for Rondo when he did and paid for Phoenix 2nd first round pick and drafted Sergio Rodgiguez (Portland did instead).

If people are willing to accept Artest and Stephen jacksons past they should make an exception for Telfair .. I say trade him to GS for Sarunas or a vet like Eric Snow (dont know contract limitations)

If we can use 20/20 hindsight and creative imagination, I think Telfair gets at least a fruit basket and a thank you card if the ping pong balls behave this year.

I wonder if Telfair’s nameplate is available. It probably has quite a bit of value as a collectible unless Grousbeck damaged it when he pried it off the wall.

Sorry Jeff, judging by this post the Kool-Aid is dripping from your chin and all over your shirt.

Ainge chose the Telfair deal over Rondo and was prepared to let Rondo go. He could have traded down if he didn’t want to take Rondo at 7, but he didn’t.

Grousbeck went off on a rant against Telfair and destroyed what, unbeknownst to Celtics fans, was some slim value Telfair held around the league. Now Telfair’s value is zero, and the Celtics might have to drop him. Why? Because of a relatively minor infraction that did not justify the indignation that followed. Wyc is the one who looks foolish here, not Telfair.

Finally, Ratliff is not going to be traded, unless Al Jeff is too. The trade was always intended to save $$$ and stay under the tax.

Basically, the organization stinks and it starts with the owners, down to Ainge, down to Rivers. Are they completely inept? No, but they don’t possess anything close to a long-term plan and seem to be making things up year-by-year. Now they are just hoping to be lucky and get a marquee talent in the draft.

I don’t care a whole heck of a lot about team chemistry off the court, it is on the court that counts. Shaq/Kobe hated each other’s guts yet they won crown after crown. The Ricky Davis-Minny trade was all about kumbyha and the results of that trade reeks. If Telfair played like Nash, boy I would be making excuses for his idiot behavior. But he doesn’t so to me go ahead and throw that little fish back into the lake.

I don’t want a total jerk of a player like Randy Moss or T. Owens on my team. I do however think that the Celtics are overly concerned about locker room buddy buddy guys than they are about putting together a talented squad to win championships and they aren’t even smart enough to know that.

 Take Scal- I rest my case.

Another component of the Telfair trade is the player we could have had with the pick we traded to Phoenix last year. This is a trade that cannot be fully evaluated at this time, although I believe if Danny knew what he knows now, Bassy would still be in Portland.

wyc looks like a blowhard making his case to the press. look what a good boy am i. telfair is a rich street kid who did not look like a negative influence on the team, just had another bad year. he wasn’t ready to play defense, improved on d somewhat over the year, but always looked tentative on offense. he is one player who did not respond to doc’s in and out lineup. he has minimal value with some potential. he seems to me to be the stan papi of the celts.

From last year’s newspaper reports it seemed that Rondo beat out all the other guards called in for the C’s to look at. This includes them playing against each other. Telfair is a blip in C’s history. Rondo will be here awhile, outside shot or not. Get over it and find other things to blame on management, Doc, the assistant coaches and Lucky.

I think Telfair was a victim of the style Portland played. He was brought here to uptempo the game. This assessment was based on his high school play. It was a chance to get a player with some NBA experience and build on it. It just didn’t work out. The reasoning behind the deal was right. And I said before, Rondo will be the jewel in a few years when we look at Telfair, Roy and Foye.

Here’s a news flash! Life isn’t fair. That’s why Randy Moss gets welcomed with open arms to the Patriots and Sebastian Telfair has his nameplate ripped from his locker.

It’s interesting that some label Telfair’s transgression as relatively inconsequential. Let’s see how inconsequential your friends and family think it is if you get pulled over in the early morning hours with an unregistered loaded handgun under the seat.