Fellowship Of The Miserable

we need doc like we need blount.

Just another in a long line of decisions made by Oh Danny Boy that I totally disaqree with. His handling of the head coaching position has been exceptionally pathetic since day one.

The Globe poll has fans voting that the extension was a mistake 2:1. The Globe’s online readership is hardly the fellowship of the miserable.

   I’m not nearly as disappointed as many. Its a players league, and very few coaches actually make a difference, including Rick Adelman, who’s name has been mentioned here. Perhaps someone like Iavorroni, who may actually change the style, but I don’t know.
   the real question is WHY? We already had him under contract for next year, and what in the world has he done to put himself in a position to make demands. Of course he wants an extention. Just like Pierce, we’d be in a much better place right now if PP had his old contract.

dont forget my quote Jeff :

’LETS GO RED SOX ! ’

screw the Red Sox…another May division title…btw-they don’t count..cya in Sept

VT…say what??? having Pierce signed for many years is a HUGE advantage in trading him if needed…or playing him for that matter…lousy players-Raef,Theo,Wally etc need ending deals but studs need yrs

Read your own poll.

They have a 24 win team and they value….continuity? Am I missing something? Well, they’ll have continuity alright— they’ll continue to lose.

Actually, if Pierce gets himself in shape, everyone stays healthy and they draft a couple of players who can contribute, they could win 33-34 games. I’m sure that Ainge and Grousbeck will consider that a huge improvement that justfies their decision to extend Rivers.

Can Wyc sell back to the Gaston Family? Please??? This organization is a J-O-K-E…..I hope they like being a non-story in this city. At least we have two teams here that actually care about winning….

Cry me a river everyone. There are some whiney little girls on this board (no offense to females). Anyone that would refuse to route for a team that they are supposedly fans of just because a coach, who has never had a group of players remotely close to being capable of contending, gets a one year extension, are pretty pathetic, and should go join the Raptors, Sixers or whatever blog you want. I certainly won’t miss ya.

This is a tragic mistake, but it’s just another year, maybe less. After 20 years, we can all wait another year or two.

My advice: watch the young players, including the next Top 5 pick. The Celtics are on the right road, just proceding at a slow pace.

Talking about the current playoffs
“When you talk about the playoffs, you have to talk about how these two teams match up against each other. Nothing else is relevant.” Bill Russell Does anyone want to argue with Bill?

The NBA is about matchups and how one team can take advantage of those matchups on any given night and of course it changes with each opponent; Atlanta was always Bird night, Detroit McHales.

How can any of us expect, especially at the beginning of last season, that the young Celtic players would be going into any game thinking “oh this one is mine.” That confidence comes with experience and having done it a few times. It was happening at the end of the season after they had done it a few times and that is the reason for the hope.

We had a coach that thought he could control every facet. He thought he was smarter than the pro game and after watching the opponents go through dunk fests against the Celts, I like the coach that motivates, encourages, disaplines, instructs; that is what the Celts have; throw the ball out there and go get at it.

Brick, I may be reading you wrong where you say “if” PP comes to camp in shape. When has he not come to camp in shape? Even last year with his elbow surgery he was in good shape.

Twenty years ago we had the Bird. Yesterday, we got the bird.

c’mon, did any of you really expect they were getting a new coach? where have you guys been? I accepted it as a fait acompli a while ago that rivers would be re-signed and anyone who thought otherwise was kidding themselves. Heck, danny was even on record as saying they would do this and Wyc publically gev him a vote of confidence. So what did you expect? It’s only for 2 years; if we still stink after this year and don’t get into the playoffs despite a high draft pick, other changes etc THEN Doc will be fired.

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 When I question giving PP a max deal how you can call me on that. We gave him the maximum allowed, more than anyone else couild or would have given him. Looking around the league, it may not be the worst deal done, but its far from being a coup. Pierce is an extremely talented player, but it does constrain us, if decide we need to trade him. He could opt out this year , I guess, but who can and will pay him $20MM per.

Officially upgrading to Fire Danny and Doc.

I can see it now. C’s come out of camp with no clear starting lineup and a thirteen man rotation. They struggle to stay close to .500. They struggle to decipher zone defense or play defense themselves. They make a phony playoff run and either come up just short or lose miserably in the first round.

More importantly, Wyc will feel it in the pocketbook as people are just about fed up.

The “Chief” in One flew over the Cuckoo’s nest can coach this team better, but wait maybe Jack Nicholon is available as well, did we expect that this wouldn’t happen?

It doesn’t matter if Doc got an extension. “Fans” here will still go on leaking, Tampax stock will continue to rise in the Boston area, and we’ll still log on to the #1 Celtics blog/“fan” site and read the same old crying that we’ve read for the last 9 months that Doc should be fired because he can’t coach, the players on this team suck (because they aren’t all double-double players), David Stern wont let us win the lottery because he hates the Celtics, Danny is a crappy GM because he hasn’t traded for Kevin Garnet (who has NEVER been available), Paul Pierce is over paid, Gerald Green is a bust at the ripe age of 21, and no one is going to buy C’s tickets until they fire Danny and Doc.
I wonder if you can trade fans in this league?

Doc was “rewarded” for tanking this team to the #2 spot going into the lottery drawing- plain and simple. Ryan Gomes more or less said it, every knowledgable basketball person knows it too.

Doc and Danny, keep those excuses coming because we are destined for a “middle of the road” season regardless of what comes of the draft with Doc as coach. Say hello to 500 ball.

By this time next year the “wheels will have fallen off the bus”. Either we will have acquired vet help for Pierce and not been able to seriously contend- which means potential build job again or Pierce will say he’s had enough and his value will be worth less than half of what it was last year at this time.

Nice to see Danny and Doc having a good time and “yucking it up”. I wanted to substitute a different letter for the “y” but… I’ll keep it clean.

I suppose some folks root for the Chicago Cubs or the Atlanta Hawks. Not me. Life is too short. I want a winning team, not continuous losing year after year after year after year……

I don’t see the point of this post. There’s already a post below where people can complain. Also Brick about the Raptors. Even though their coach got coach of the year, all the raptors fans I know hate his coaching. And in all likelihood he’ll be there next year (colangelo has said they’re trying to sign him) and the players have expressed great support. I know you dream about them getting the suns assistant but probably won’t happen. If the raptors can win 50 games despite their coach, then so can the celtics.

I also believe that rehiring Sam Mitchell will be a mistake by Colangelo. But Toronto won 47 games, not 24. If and when Mitchell stops winning he will be fired.

That’s very different than overlooking back-to-back 33-win and 24-win seasons for the sake of “continuity.”

You want to know what I really think? Aside from wanting to save the money, Grousbeck and Ainge were simply too lazy to put in the hard work it takes to find and hire the right guy. Extending Rivers was the path of least resistance.

Its only a one year $5 million extension. That is small enough that the team won’t keep him just to keep from paying him out. You know what this is? It is Danny getting his buddy Doc a $5 million going away present when he is inevitably fired this December. If the ownership wants to throw away its money like that, it is their business.

TrueGreen said:
  Brick, I may be reading you wrong where you say “if” PP comes to camp in shape. When has he not come to camp in shape? Even last year with his elbow surgery he was in good shape.
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After management has overseen the disgraceful mockery of the integrity of the game, essentially mooning their own paying fans by holding their best players out in the quest for ping-pong balls, and through this extention sent the message that no defense, ridalin based rotations, 25% less wins each season is the direction they’re rewarding, it’ll be a testement to the character of any player under contract who comes to camp in shape.

Management has sent a clear message that the Celtics will strive for mediocrity….because that would clearly be a major move forward.

They’re not just throwing away money, they’re throwing away the3 2007-2008 season, and maybe the next one as well. Rivers’ teams play bad basketball.

This is the most disappointing announcement of the off-season. Doc CAN’T COACH. He may be a good PR guy, but that’s it. As a 35 year Celtics fan I cannot recall a more disappointing decision since they gave control to Pitino. Good Darft, or Not, the Celts will underachieve next season with Doc still around. Celtics fans need to ask for ticket refunds and demand Danny’s termination. He completely choked on this move. (Red can’t be smiling with this move).

Jeez. Guys the extension was for one year. ONE YEAR!! It’s not like they gave him 4 more years. The door is still wide open for a canning if he fails next year. If he can’t win with Oden or Durant next year he will be gone anyway. Relax. It’s a good move for continuity in my eyes. Wait a few before bringing out the pitchforks..

You folks are OVERreacting! He got a one-year extension, which if you think about it, is an insult. If we stay free of injuries, we’ll do well next year, make the playoffs, and then see where we are at. I think Danny is as much on the hotseat as Doc, and rightfully so. Keep yer powder dry.

How can people support this? How? Doc is awful. Terrible. If the Cs win 40 games next year, it won’t be because of Doc, but rather in spite of him. What on earth makes people want to support him? What has he ever done to earn that? I thank him for getting us in a position to get a high draft pick (I guess) and for keeping the kids’ spirits up for a whole season. Now get out.

And what is Danny thinking? Basketball is a business. If any business shows sustained periods of abject failure, someone’s head has to roll to show the investors that you still give a crap, are trying to cut your losses, and seeking to make a philosophical change. That’s what is expected – otherwise when the failures continue and you belatedly push to cut your losses with a rash of high-level firings (say, in the middle of next season), you’ve lost all credibility with your investors and employees, and a whole bunch of money and opportunity. Jesus, if I ran my business like Danny, I’d be in debtors prison.

right on tmcdon.

the “fans” sound like a bunch of babies who dont know anything about basketball and as soon as boston is winning some games they’ll pull their old “night and day” routine like they always do.

Hmm… what’s a better use of $5 million: 1) going over the luxury tax for one season to bring in a player like Pau Gasol or Shaun Marion, 2) signing somebody to the mid-level exception, or 3) giving a bottom-ten coach in the league an unnecessary contract extension?

Roy Hobbs said:
How the hell can Danny and Wyc possibly justify choosing choice #3?

Nothing new here

They got greedy, the 3rd worst record wasn’t enough. They sold there sole to Doc Rivers for more ping pong balls, just to increase there opportunity to grab the #1 pick by 4.3%.

Sorry for the paste error Roy Hobbs.

I’m sold; all you negative chessboard minded Brinions have convinced me “fire Doc!” but I have an idea lets turn the postion into a TV Reality show.

Trailor: “Watch next week as winner as the most negative blogger takes over as coach of the Celtics. Though never having coached in the NBA or college Coach Brinion played some high school ball and once coached his 8 year olds church league team. Coach Brinion is a master checkers, chess, Risk and Stratego player.”

Episode 1: “Watch as Coach Brinion tries to explain his sophisticated rotation zone defence to Gerald Green: "now Gerald, when you man leaves to go to the high post, don’t go with him you are to go here but if their Power Forward then goes to the weak side you are to go here unless they flood the strong side then you are to go here” Camera pans to Gerald’s bewildered but nodding face"

Episode 2: "Watch as Coach Brinion attempts to break up the fight between 240# veteran Scalabrini and 250# sensation Jefferson

Episode 3: “Watch as Coach Brinion calls 6’11” 270# Perkins into his office to tell him that he will no longer be starting and is to be replaced by the rookie"; Camera zooms to perks scowl then pans to CB face as he poops his pants.

Episode 4: “Watch as verteran ref, Dick Barvetta chit chats with Coach Riley before the came then all the calls seem to go against the Celtics; CB has to sit down as the wily ref scolds him.” Camera zooms to CB disconsulate face.

Episode 5: “Watch as Celtic superstar Paul Pierce pouts because the play to end the half was not for him. Pouting Paul refuses to take open shots in the 2nd half.” Camera shows CB encouraging Paul but Camera pans to Paul with a “forget you” look on his face.

Episode 6: “Watch as CB calls leon Powe into his office and announces to him that he will be cut and problably his NBA dream is over.” Camera zooms to Leon’s scowl.

Episode 7: “Watch as CB calls Bastion to his office and tells him that his services are no longer needed and that he is fired. Bastion says that he will be right back he just needs to go to hs car for something.” Camera pans to CB as he is pooping his pants again.

“Now look Gerald, we want you to be the Bishop that means you can only go diagonally accross the squares.” “But coach, why can’t I just run over to there?”

That’s what so great about the Boston fans. It’s so easy to piss off these idiots. Who are these Doc haters? Are they the same “Cetics” fans who cheered for Kobe when the Lakers were in town? I sometimes wonder a lot of things about you fools, but then again I really don’t care about you guys at all. They made the right decision at this time with this team.If things do get screwed up again, it will be you jerks who will have pressured mistakes to be made. Damn, I’ve been with this team too long for you guys to screw up this building process. Shut up ,you children, and you too Jeff. You are far too negative. Believe me, Mr. Doom, it will be ok. It really will.But you just can’t start getting anxious all the time. Relax.Doc is fine.

This is the NBA not the NFL. Coaching just isn’t that important. Players are. If it were all about coaching Miami and the the Lakers would be in the finals this year. A lot of people on this forum need to calm down.

I nominate 4thgenfan for post of the year. Too funny!

Brick. How is someone who spends 18 hours a day posting unfounded and usually ignorant comments on a sports blog calling a guy like Wyc lazy?! A guy who graduated from Princeton, was a member of their undefeated national chapionship rowing team, graduated from law school at Univ of Michigan, an MBA from the Stanford School of Business. Amassed enough cash as a venture capitalist to pay 360 million dollars for the Celtics… You have said a lot of completely rediculous things in your thousands of posts, but that is by far the most ignorant, insulting, and class-less comment that I have ever seen. Sit there at your keyboard all day and try to come up with something useful or go post your comments on the Raptors blog like you promised us all if Doc got an extension.

Wyc’s resume is impressive. Too bad he can’t run an NBA team. As for his millions, they came from his father, H. Irving Grousbeck, who founded Cablevision in 1963.

CelticsWhat35, tmcdon, gutusias and EJPLAYA – right on and thanks. If it wasn’t for people like you I’d be long gone from this blog.

Brick, Donald Trump also got a lot of start up money from his father, but turned that into more. Why go to personal attacks on his character when you can just make factual points about his decisions with the team. Oh, that’s right… You choose to make vague negative comments instead. When you do try and get specific, like your comment on Houston making the playoffs this year with as many games missed by starters (C’s – 227, Houston – 43 ) as we had, you just flat out make things up. The sad part about it is there are a lot more people that are annoyed with your negative false statements than the few who speak up about it when you should be called on your innacurate comments. Then slandering a guy who has committed a huge amount of his own personal assets because he is a true Celtic fan?! What a waste of everyone’s time. Before Nazzbo, who must be your brother or something, comments on the fact we can just skip reading your posts, we can’t! Your posts dominate this board and cause people to react to your rediculous statements. Boy it would be nice if we could have a productive positive thread once in awhile. I sure wish you’d get a hobby or a job so we could read a couple posts a day vs. 20-30…

….and when the Celtics turn it around and WIN 45-50 games, these same critical fans will be still complaining that we didn’t win MORE!

EJPLAYA, your posts are so long, carefully crafted and well thought-out that it must take hours. I’m sure that I dash off 10-12 of my thoughtless, irresponsible posts in the time it takes you to compose a single one of your gems.

gustusias, don’t worry, Danny will not be pressured by the media or fans to do something foolish; i.e, Vin Baker. And Wyc and his group are smart enough to know that their knowledge of basketball is slightly above that of the average fan (because they have access to what goes on behind the scene) and will leave the basketball decisions to Danny. Danny might make mistakes or some things he does may not work out, but everything he does is done with much thought based on his realistic and objective assessment of the situation.

Thanks for the support, whoever you other guys are. Sometimes I feel all alone if I read these blogs enough. The success of our team means a lot to me. Probably too much.Continuity was the key word used by Springer in the Globe. Yes, continuity at this point is very important.

Brick, maybe that is why yours come off like they do. Irrational, irresponsible, and full of innaccurate facts. Maybe if you spent a little more time thinking and a little less time spewing whatever comes to mind you’d be a good addition to the board instead of weighing everyone else down. You know that old saying “Think before you speak” ?! Maybe you should think before you type!!

You aren’t even going to comment on your “Houston” innaccuracy?! If you just ignore it that everyone will believe you were right?! Go look it up everyone… Blatant intentional deception to try and prove a poor argument.

Once again, didn’t you promise us all that if Doc was extended you were going to become a Raptor fan and move to their post?! I guess it was another lie to sound cool!! Guess what…It didn’t work.

I think I’ve finally got it! Doc was wearing a wire when Danny and Wycless told him to tank — hence the payoff. They have to keep him happy until Durant/Oden/neither is in the fold (under contract, so that Stern can’t take away our new, young star).

gustusias, we need to start our own blog “Positively Celtics Blog”—-just kidding—-really.

Positively!