One Man's Idea: Trade For Marion

Do it!!!!!!

Yay, this is definitely a good one! I feel slightly better, but optimism is still hard to digest at this point.

My gut tells me don’t make that deal. Marion’s got 2 years left on his contract, that puts PP back at the 2, and Gomes at PF. A Pretty small, vulnerable lineup. There’s a place on the lineup for a bruiser like Perk.

I don’t think either party (Marcus Banks or the Boston Celtics) wants him wearing green again. Just won’t happen.

I don’t think Boston gets enough. Seriously. Marion only has a couple years left on his contract, then he will bolt Boston, and Cs will be left empty handed. I rather keep the #5, keep next years pick, keep West and Perk and wait for some team to come asking for Theo in November or so. There is no need to jump the gun.

Way to much to give up for Marion. No thanks.

I don’t see Marion as that good of a player outside of the Phoenix system. Boston doesn’t and can’t run that type of offense, devoid of a player like Nash. IMO, he’s just not going to make this a much better team than it would be otherwise. I’m for keeping the pick if he’s the best we can do.

I don’t want to bring Banks back and I don’t want to give up Perk.

It´s too much for marion, i´ll make this offer for a big guy like Gasol o JO not for a 6-7 sf or pf. And I have serious doubts about the level of marion without nash running the offense.

It might be too much, but it can always be scaled back. Perkins and West are clearly ballast to make Phoenix feel better about trading Marion, but if Marion doesn’t have as much value, those guys can just be taken away. Same with the future pick (I see the author has already updated and pulled that pick off the hypothetical bargaining table). If it seems like too much, that can be fixed by giving up less. If Marion is just flawed and undesirable, that is another matter. But it seems that Pierce would much rather have a proven All-Star as his running mate than another rookie and a 11-man rotation. Pull either West or Perkins and the future pick and I think this is a great deal.

Also, Marion was a bad ass long before Nash came to Phoenix. I think it is obvious that Gasol is better, but they would get killed with their interior defense with Pau and Al, and also, I highly doubt Memphis is going to be thrilled about adding another pick outside of the top two. I think the point of this article is that Phoenix might actually want this pick, while to everyone else it seems like dog crap.

I’m back! How’s everyone been? I’ve been working so much that I haven’t posted here since the site got a new look.:D

Now as for the topic, I would like to see an all-star scome to Boston. Marion is a good player, but we really need to options with the 5th pick.

brutal…waaaay to much for marion….that for KG yes….Marion no

A Suns fan I suspect.

You guys are missing the point. Do we like Marion? If yes, maybe we can get him. We don’t have to give up all the guys this dude mentions. It is the fact that Phoenix is up against it that makes them a prime trading partner. I personally love the idea of Marion and the 29th pick for the 5th, Theo, and either West or Perkins. Pull out the “Banks for West/Perkins and a future pick” part and I think we are in business. And I’m sure the Suns would want a bit more, but that is why you bargain.

I’d, at least, also want the right to the other pick they can have this year [in the 20s]. we can then either take it now or wait.

No No No. How does Marion make us better? He’s undersized and would force Jefferson to stay at the 5 or force Pierce to the 2. And he whines so freaking much. We need a bigger difference maker like KG.

I would have to decline that trade. I am not saying we can get something better for a #5 pick, but I just wouldn’t want to give that package up for Marion and a player we had issues with so we traded him.

CsfanNH

Perk is a good outlet passer, and Delonte a good all-around player, but neither would be at their best in the style the Suns play — and the Suns are a smart enough team to actually take things like that into account. On our side, Marion is a skilled player and especially appealing from a defensive standpoint, but that would give us a lot of similar players on the offensive end.

If we could do something like Theo, Gomes and the #5 pick for Marion I’d think hard about it. But I’d think harder about something centered around Wally and the #5 for Kirilenko.

I’m with redvision on this one. I think we can swing a sign and trade for Rashard Lewis at a cheaper price and get a good inside-out combination between him and Big Al. I think we could probably sign him to something in the area of 3 years 42 mil and send the Seattle theo’s contract plus either Gerald or the fifth pick and toss in gomes.

Two words, Nash Factor. Marion looks great playing with Nash where he always gets the ball in perfect position. The Celtics have no one like Nash to feed Marion. He wouldn’t be half the play in Boston he is in Pheonix. No way would I give up the rights to possibly Yi or Hortford or Conelly for Marion. And next year’s first as well? That is highway robbery. Byrdman is right. You could get Rashard Lewis at a cheaper price. You could get Lewis for three years 42 Million and do a sign and trade for Theo, Gerald Green, their choice of Gomes or West plus Scal to make the salaries work. Seattle is loosing Lewis to free agency anyway. That deal would give them an 11 million dollar expiring contract and two decent rotation guys. You could even throw in the Celtics second round pick, likly to be a player who would have gone in the first round last year but goes in the second this year at a non-gaurenteed cheap price to make it even better for Seattle. The deal would give Seattle the cap flexibility to start building around Durrant. It would give the Celtics a 23 ppg scorer to put with Pierce and allow them to get Hortford or Connely or Yi in the draft. A lineup of Al, Pierce, Rondo, Lewis and Perk might not play great defense but it would score on anyone and be very exciting to watch. I like that deal a lot better than trading for Marion at this price.

No thanks.

We are dreaming if we think we are getting Lewis. Portland has Randolph to offer and Lewis loves McMillan. It is either stand pat with the pick and stay young, or make a play on a guy like Marion. Yes, he has some flaws, but what available player doesn’t? And don’t say KG, because he’s not available according to McHale. I love the Nash Factor comments. Go back and check Marion’s #s before Nash got there. Then note that he can play both forward positions and guard all of them. I like the option mentioned above: #5, Theo, and Gomes.

lets not get in the habit of taking back our castoffs.
Plus way too much to give up for an ugly shooting system player. And that does not help us in the 4/5 department, it only makes it worse.

Go get Gasol. Griz are selling the team, and with no Oden/Durant, they may be willing to cut salary and start fresh. Theo, #5, and Gomes. If they want more, anything but AJ, RR, PP.

Brutal trade. I guess beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I don’t think Marion is a difference maker. He is just a fantasy stat sheet stuffer.

I just don’t feel he is a good enough player. I watch Phoeix alot. He gets an awful lot of point in transition, off hustle, and being setup by Nash.

He is a product of the system.

The problem with this is that we will be in the luxury tax next year when Big Al’s raise kicks in next year. Wyc has refused to pay the tax so it is unlikely that he will be willing to deal Theo for a longer contract. If we deal Theo, it will likely be another Rodney Rogers situation, we add a guy who’s signed for one year whom we then can’t re-sign without going into the luxury tax so we end up losing him.

Realistically, Wally, #5, Green, West, and Allen (or Rondo if we can get back a better PG) are our main trade pieces {unless we decide to take Pierce or Jefferson off of the untouchables list}.

I think the c’s should just draft the 5th pick. If Brewer falls to them, they should take him. I would like to think that at the least the c’s would be able to put some type of package trade involving Brewer or Gerald Green. This trade might not come until after the season starts. So many gm’s are very high on Brewer that he would serve as serious trade bait. This could get us the all star big man that we are all craving.

I think that 20 games into the season a lot of people will be talking about Gerald Green. He is going to be a stud, and it will be shown this season.

I keep the #5 pick and rebuild. I don’t think Marion’s game fits with the Celts, just like Telfair/Rondo plan to be a running team this year backfired. With Pierce,Big Al, Wally, and even Gomes we are more a half court team. Marion is a good player but it is Nash and the Sun system that makes him special.

Thus, I pass on Marion.

Marion has dissapeared twice in the playoffs against the Spurs. He isnt worth breaking the bank for.

banks is a proven miscommodity and would not be happy here. he holds us back. we need a big man and a defender and perk is no russell but he’s big and plays decent d.work something for kirilenko.

At first I don’t like the trade but Wally and Marions contracts expire at the same time as KG’S and Elton Brand. That’s a lot of money coming off the books in 24 months. Would Wyc use the money to go after one of the big name free agents?

Well, here we go. This is ridiculous. FLCeltsFan, says it succinctly and correctly. And there were plenty of comments that Marion is not the guy we need.

FLCeltsFan said:
  I don’t want to bring Banks back and I don’t want to give up Perk.

We need to add probably two quality players (vet or draft) to the team and need to move some people off the roster (could be done with non-guaranteed contracts). We forget that we are getting better and shouldn’t allow last season’s record to influence us. I would, take the best athlete available at #5 and keep him. I would look at the free agent market and try to pick up a position player (pg, or big) on a short, low-cost contract (as a temporary measure). Extend Al Jefferson. After that I would explore realistic trades to get a quality player (which I think will be tough), or to get additional draft choices. I don’t think the blockbuster deal is out there that will put us over the top. We need to depend on our current core players to get better individually, for them to play better together, and to hope for some luck as to health and maybe a draft pick turning out to be a winner.

Another thought. Phoenix has turmoil. Stoudemire did not show up for the final meeting. Nash said something to the effect, we have chemistry issues. Since Colangelo left, they haven’t made one good move. Or you could say they have made three bad moves.
Trading last years pick and not drafting Rondo, trading their 2nd pick and not drafting Sergio Rodgriuez and signing Marcus Banks. Maybe, just maybe they are right for the taking.

Do this deal for Stoudamire, but not Marion. Marion is a very good player, but not great…amazing, there was so much talk about us trading the rights to Durant and Theo for Stoudamire and the #5 pick (where Phoenix may have ended up with Atl pick) – now we have to give up the whole farm to get a lesser player from the same team- the draft really did suck!

Shawn Marion still performed at a high level Pre Steve Nash. The team didnt fair as well but the system was definitely different (offensive averaged 94 ppg). Check your history first before saying marion was nothing before Nash. Nash does need finishers to be successful and Marion is one of the best finishers in the game.

03-04 19.0 ppg, 9.3 rpg, 2.7 apg, 2.1 spg, 1.3 bpg
02-03 21.2 ppg, 9.5 rpg, 2.4 apg, 2.3 spg, 1.2 bpg
01-02 19.1 ppg, 9.9 rpg, 2.0 apg, 1.8 spg, 1.1 bpg
all years less than 2.0 turnovers per game too.

Since Nash has been there his shooting percentage has gone up and he was able to rebound the ball more because he didnt have to support the offensive flow. Nash allowed him to roam more getting rebounds. Nash made him more efficient offensively but he still was a major player before Nash. Dont get it twisted.

I forgot to mention.

His point guard during those years were:

Stephon Marbury

PATIENCE!!!!!!!
When are we going to learn? Too much to give up for a player that looks good since he has the best PG in the NBA.
Also, it would leave us too vulnerable for rebounding. Who plays back-up for Jefferson when he needs rest or is in foul trouble? Jefferson is a PF not an NBA center so putting him into this other position will lessen his development.

We need to improve defensively not offensively. I like the thought of dropping down and getting Jeff Green and exchange Celts 5 pick with let’s say the 10 slot(Kings)and get Ron Artest and fill-in with other players to make the money match-up.
Adding Artest and Green would make this team stronger and better defensively.

Way too much to give up for Marion – KG, JO, Gasol – maybe. Not only do I not want to see Banks back in a C’s uni, I wouldn’t be able to watch Marion hoist up those jumpers from his hip on a nightly basis! He has to have one of the ugliest shots in the NBA!

Theo’s contract, Perk and Dwest is too much? Take off the green tinted sunglasses kids. What did Perk do last year? What did Theo do last year? Sure, it would be sad for Delonte to move on, but we cannot stand pat. I’ll do this deal tomorrow if I could.

Bleedgreen,last year Perk shut down just about every big he guarded while playing on one foot. In one game Shaq scored 20 against him, but only 2 in the 2nd half because Perk wore him down. He did alot more. You can’t judge Perk by stats. He knows the defense and often (Perk says always) tells Al where to be. He runs from under the basket to the 3 point line to to contest shots. He’s the best outlet passer on the team and is becoming one of the better passers in general. And he’s improved on not getting into early foul trouble.

I love Marion as a player. I think this is a bad deal for Boston. I say keep everyone and Draft Brewer. Let him start at the three with Rondo, Pierce, Jefferson and Perkins. Gomes, West off the bench and Wally if he is healthy as well. 8)

Fortunately whoever Section F Sports is has nothing to do with Celtic personnel moves. Best I can say is that the proposed trade grades about an F. I apologize for using that all too obvious line. It gives up a ridiculous amount. Not worthy of further comment. It’s not like we’re a player away and Marion isn’t that player if we were.

Marion is better than most of you think. I guess no amount of numbers (check out the stats posted above and the stuff the guys at 82games.com did on his defense) will prove that. He is an athletic marvel, the quickest jumper in the league, can guard every position on the floor, and is HUNGRY to prove he can be more than he’s been in Phoenix. Of course he disappears in playoff games – PHX runs pick and roll with Nash and Amare every game. Give the guy a break. I’d be interested what Pierce and Jefferson would say. Play with Marion or another rookie and a 12-man rotation? The C’s need to trim the roster and shrink depth into quality. Perkins, West, the next rookie, etc. – these guys are all rotation players but they aren’t All-Stars. Once again I say that if you read the column, you see the flexibility in the deal. If it feels like Boston is giving up too much, no big deal. The Suns are the team that appear to be up against it right now. Maybe the #5 and Theo’s contract is enough for Marion (no Banks, no Almighty Kendrick Perkins, no West). Wouldn’t that be worth considering? What am I missing here? This seems to be a situation where a legit player is getting no love, while a bunch of scrubs are being viewed as somehow awesome just because they play in Boston. Anyway, I’m still for bringing Marion (or WHOEVER) to town, just a modified version of that proposed trade.

I Love CT, If we could get Marion, period, and just give up players who we don’t want to keep and maybe Theo’s contract, fine. I don’t think I’d give up the #5 pick unless there’s no one there on draft day that we want. There probably will be. I would also not give up Perk in a Marion deal. I think Marion played for Danny Ainge so I’m sure Danny knows what he could bring.

I don’t like the deal. Keep the pick. Don’t give up the future for Marion and just two years. And as someone stated above, with Marion you have to figure in the Nash factor. Now if Nash comes with him… ;D ;D ;D ;D