Givony: C's Shopping #5 Pick

Let me be the first to say I LOVE IT! Bring Randolph to Beantown and team him with Jefferson in the post!

Maybe, but both players will probably cost more than Theo and the #5. The question is how much more. Ratliff, Telfair, and the #5 for O’Neal will be acceptable. But I fear even that will not be enough.

I think we’re going to hear a lot of rumors. Anything true will be kept under wraps. Randolph to Boston would be the height of hypocracy afte rWyc dumped Telfair. It would be hard to argue against O’Neil for Theo and #5, but thats a lot of salary next year, with PP, O’Neil, & Wally @ $50MM

Draftexpress has no credibility. They float more bad rumors than any site.

Zach is a headcase who goes against Wyc’s Code of Conduct and also put the Celtics dangerously close to the luxury tax next season (with a re-signed) Al. I could see us making a deal with Portland but not for Zach.

I could get excited about either guy coming to Boston. JO more than Zack though, but neither is coming for just the #5 and Theo. Bird said that he isn’t going to just jive JO away. To me the reason we are all so excited about these trades is because we aren’t giving up much. There has to be more (DWest, GG, Gomes, etc) to these trades then what has already been mentioned

Yeah, I don’t like Randolph. He’s too similar to in style to Big Al. I wouldn’t hate him, but I don’t think he compliments him nearly as well as Jermaine O’Neal who provides better defense and has done more in his NBA career in terms of winning.

For me the only way the C’s should part with the #5 pick is if they can get an All Star caliber point guard or big man. All this talk about acquiring more swingmen like Shawn Marion makes little sense to me.

Bring JO or KG to Beantown. That’s it.

I might stop watching this team if we acquire Randolph from Portland. He is not worth the 5 pick, he is a black hole on offense, won’t mesh with Big Al, is not a good defender, and has serious character issues. This rumor frightens me.

ZACH RANDOLPH BABY!!

I agree that Zach Randolph has some red flags, but he is 25 years old and some of his past errors probably relate to immaturity—a problem that will gradually diminish as he gets older—and to playing on a team with other players who were prone to getting in trouble. He might become a very different person on the Celtics, and if he can replicate 24 points/10 boards a game playing PF while Al Jefferson plays center, that would be a very formidable front court. And, for whatever it’s worth, I bet neither Greg Oden nor any other big man taken in this draft averages 24/10 next year, or anything close to it. Sure, Randolph’s defense leaves some to be desired, but that can be said of many young players, and, besides, he probably wouldn’t be on the trading market if his defense was as good as his excellent offense.

it’s gonna be randolph. you just know it. every other nba team knows the celtic’s are desperate. i mean the media is making it damn clear the celtics HAVE to win next season. i don’t see why jermaine o’neal would end up here when the pacers could just as easily get lamar odom and who knows what else. f’d by the lakers again. bring on randolph who just as everyone has already said will go against everything the c’s have been preaching.

I’m sure that Danny Ainge is delighted that his legacy as the Celtics’ el jefe rests on the broad shoulders of players like Zach Randolph and Ron Artest. Hey, while we’re at it, why not go after Darius Miles?

With Zach Randolph and Paul Pierce, and a coach like Rivers, what’s the point of having an up tempo point guard like Rondo who can’t shoot? The whole defense will collapse into the paint.

for whatever it’s worth i don’t think randolph’s bad defense has to do with his age. i would expect he kinda is gonna be what he is now. so we get randolph then we are probably gonna always be a bad defensive team. i don’t think that’s TOO much of a leap.

Let’s see…..we have an opportunity to get someone who other than SAR, may be the worst defensive forward in the NBA…and a complete airhead….on a maximum contract. Or we have an opportunity to pick up a very talented forward on both ends who plays about 50 games per year and is on a maximum contract…..and was in the middle of the biggest brawl in NBA history. Just what a young team needs.

How about we keep the pick and draft the best player available? Neither of those two markedly improve the team…particularly Randolph.

Hey Soul Honky, do you have a definition of Wyc’s code of conduct?? That must be the lose on purpose when it benefits you, but you players better behave code?

Does anyone have Wyc’s email address so we can mass-email him not to get Randolph? It will be too late to fight it after Ainge completes the trade.

I just hope Wyc doesn’t go stingy when he’s finally required to open up the pocketbook. Pay that luxury tax if a good deal is on the table, it’s the Celtics for pete’s sakes!

I agree with the poster above that Randolph is too similar to Al and he doesn’t solve the problem of interior defense.

Right now I’d be willing to take chances on just about anyone, but I really don’t see how Randolph helps us at all.

If Zach Randolph does become a Celtic, I think they ought to have a special ceremony in which Wyc Grousbeck lights a candle, presents Zach with a Smith $ Wesson .357 magnum and an autographed, full frontal nude picture of Paris Hilton, and Wyc personally glues Zach’s nameplate to his locker at Healthpoint.

They could even make a commercial out of it with that cardboard cutout of Lucky. They’d have to skip the Paris Hilton part, but a few Celtics cheerleaders could appear in the commercial to make up for it.

JO seems like the most realisitc possibility at this point. Something tells me this one will go down.

Whatever team we trade with is going to have to endure a re-building mode and Bird sounds like he is ready for that. A high lotto pick and Theo’s contract is about the best scenario Indiana can hope for.

I guess the trick is paying PP & JO and still having enough $ for Big AL, etc.

I agree with NYDan. Please don’t let concerns about the luxury tax kill a good deal. What this franchise needs right now more than anything is to win. I’d do either one of those trades, although I like JO better.

Hey Andy Jick, go to page 5 in Official Portland / Boston trade ideas thread
•1995. Thirty days in juvenile detention for shoplifting.

•High school years: Thirty days of house arrest for battery.

•Thirty days in juvenile detention for receiving stolen property, a gun.

•2002. Underage drinking arrest in Marion, Ind., his hometown.

•2003. Team suspension by the Trail Blazers for sucker-punching teammate Ruben Patterson in practice and breaking his eye socket.

•2003. Arrested in Portland for driving under the influence of intoxicants and marijuana.

•2004. Accused by police of lying in an investigation of his brother shooting three men in an Indiana nightclub.

•2006. Suspended by the Trail Blazers for making obscene gestures to fans after a game in Indiana.

•2006. Sued by a Portland woman for sexual assault, though prosecutors didn’t file criminal charges.

•2007. Left a strip club without paying the bill while he was on bereavement leave from the team and missed three games after the death of his girlfriend’s cousin.

•2007. Earlier this month, police were called to the parking lot of a strip club where Randolph and teammate Darius Miles were part of a gathering and a gunshot was fired.

Courtesy of Roy Hobbs via Chicago Tribune. These issues don’t look like they’d go away in a different environment or with “maturing”.

For the record, there are more strip clubs per capita in Portland than in any other city in the USA. So if Zach is traded to Boston, at the very least his supply will be reduced considerably. As for sucker punching his teamate during practice, well, who hasnt gotten frustrated and smashed the eye socket of another?

Look, count me in the camp that thinks Danny Ainge and Wyc are destined to screw this up royally. Their patience has run and they have officially entered Patinoland, IMHO. It is hard to fathom that they are going to trade this pick for an unwanted vet, especially after last year’s debacle. Anyone with half a brain knew, just knew in their heart that trading for Telfair was a bad, bad, bad idea. Plus, we get jipped of the pleasure of watching our team select a player in the draft. I watched “Through the Fire”, I tried my best to convince myself that trade was a good move. But I always knew it was junk. And let me tell you this: Larry Bird is hands down smarter and more clever than Ainge. Any trade with Indiana will unequivocally work out better for Indiana, in the short run, and in the long.

In fairness to Zach Randolph, he seems to have moved from a fixation on guns earlier in his life to a fixation with kinky sex, which as far as I’m concerned is a step in the right direction.

JO yes but not Randolph. He plays no defense and shoots too much.

No Oneil, no Randolph.

keep the pick. Select Conley.

Screw Portland, spoiled brats that they have so suddenly become

On top of all the aforementioned problems with the law and his teammates and the fact that his game doesn’t mesh with Big Al’s, Randolph had microfracture knee surgery in 2005. No more guys with bad knees. I would do Corpse Ratliff for him straight-up, nothing more unless they want Telfair and his girlfriend’s handgun back.

As for O’Neal, he obviously is very talented but do you think he would even agree to come to Boston? Not to mention that he hasn’t played in 70 games in a season since ‘03-’04. From having him on my fantasy team, I have noticed that just about every body part of his gets injured on a regular basis, requiring him to miss games. His main problems are back-related I believe. Backs never get better, ask Larry.

Gasol for Wally, Telefair – Memphis will probably want a big man so it might be Powe or Perk or instead one of our draft picks. GM checker the trade works.

Orrzor, thank you for that most impressive Rap Sheet. No way that plays in Boston.

Plus, Doc would quit if he ever had to coach that thug. On second thought..

What scares me is having a GM that has a history of bad trades, making one of the most important trades this franchise has seen in at least a decade….if we trade the pick that is. There are those who can make things happen, and those that just are not intelligent enough to make good trades. Look at the nausiating new Kobe situation in LA. The thing is that if Danny fails at making a good trade again, he will be fired but we will be the ones left with the product in which he was fired for. What a long 4 years for this.

yes, thanks for that orrzo.. hopefully that is enough to shut people up about wanting Randolph here.

no thankyou

Give me Jermaine, I think I’d refrain from Zach.

Portland trading Randolph is addition by subtraction. The people in Portland are so tired of this type of character. They got rid of Ryder, Wallace, Patton, Telfair and next on the list is Randolph and Miles ( I probably missed a few). Randolph has weight issues, knee issues, strip club issues and gun issues. I guess you could say, he as Issues!

He is a hell of a post player though.

Patterson, not Patton.

here’s an article about randolph maybe coming

http://shamrockheadband.blogspot.com/

First off, Zach has serious character issues and a motor that doesn’t always work. J. Oâ€â"¢Neil has logged too many minutes and will noticeably decline in the next few years. Both of these trades are too short cited. Why would you want o move a top 5 pick. Brewer will be a heck of a player in this league, won’t put you in cap hell and will be productive a lot longer than either vet that was mentioned.

And why do people keep saying we need a point? What has Rondo done that makes people think he isn’t a player?

I can’t see bringing Randolph or JO to Boston. JO’s contract will be extraordinarily prohibitive in ‘08. I just don’t see it. Randolph is trouble waiting to happen. I can’t believe the Celts would be interested in him, not to mention that he probably doesn’t fit with AJ.

Who knows? Maybe Portland will want Conley or Roy bad enough to part with Aldridge. But I doubt it. If they really do want Conley, they’ll have to give up somebody.

Givony had us taking Tyrus Thomas last season and has Durant being taken over Oden by Portland. Not too worried about his rumors. Maybe Portland would offer Randolph, but if Danny gives up the 5th pick for that piece of garbage, I will turn in my 41 year Celtic fan membership. This would be ten times worse than the Telfair trade, and that was a doozy.

Zach Randolph? What character issues? You mean things like this raise questions of character?http://edit.blogs.oregonlive.com/uploads/279873-randolph.pdf

Cone on, with the public dog and pony show Wyc has staged on conduct, there is no way Zach (or Artest) will even be considered for this team. Otherwise the owner might as well wear a sign around his neck saying “I’m an idiot and nothing I say or do means anything”.

Now, a trade for Jermain O’Neal is a definite possibility. I don’t think it is in the best long-term interests of the Cs, but it aligns with evrything Danny and Doc have put forth.

Randolph’s poison, JO’Neal seems to have both health and attitude issues. No thanks. I guess I could live with JO’Neal, and it’s true it’s a nice roll of the dice, but as someone smarter posted earlier, Bird will out-deal Ainge six days a week and twice on Sunday.
I say screw it, keep the pick and maybe even trade Pierce and just go younger and younger till they all get carded at R-rated movies so we can win it all in a decade.

THIS IS AWESOME… And PS: this will not cost us more than Theo and the 5 pick

JO has asked out of Indiana. I don’t have any proof, but I gaurentee you he has, And if his demand is not granted, he will come out and publicly say he does not want to play for the Pacers next season. (which will screw the Pacers)

And Randolph. same thing, Portland believes it can run more without him. They get another top Pick.

and we combine al Jefferson with Randolph and Pierce, and we haave a solid half court offenseive team

I’d only trade the #5 if Aldridge was involved and that won’t happen.

Randolph is a cancer and if Wyc is going to preach to us about the “Telfair Rules” than no way we make the trade for him.

Danny will have to overpay to get Jermaine, but he may do it. It would cost us at least #5, Theo and one or two other young ones.

Overplay for O’Neal? With our roster, you can’t overpay for him, unless you’re putting Pierce in the deal…

I am convinced that Randolph’s deal is promoted by the Macdonalds’ owners in Boston, who saw their profits drammatically dropped after Antoine left the town

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Let’s see…..we have an opportunity to get someone who other than SAR, may be the worst defensive forward in the NBA…and a complete airhead….on a maximum contract. Or we have an opportunity to pick up a very talented forward on both ends who plays about 50 games per year and is on a maximum contract…..and was in the middle of the biggest brawl in NBA history. Just what a young team needs.

How about we keep the pick and draft the best player available? Neither of those two markedly improve the team…particularly Randolph.

Hey Soul Honky, do you have a definition of Wyc’s code of conduct?? That must be the lose on purpose when it benefits you, but you players better behave code?

I don’t agree with Iowa Plowboy often but this time I agree 100%. Just keep the pick and let DA do what he does best: draft!! As soon as he tries to trade the pick everything will go horribly wrong. AGAIN!

Im not so sure about Jermaines “mid range game” Below is his shot chart for the season

Randolph seems to have the better mid range game :

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Randolph seems to have the better mid range game :

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Randolph is a headcase and Jermain O’Neil is getting to the backside of his career. I hate both deals. All it would do is make the Celtics a decent team in the east but no more. Wow, the Celtics can be the 4th best team in the JV east. Joy Rapture.

The Knicks are horrible, but they are going to make as strong a push as they can for KG, Jermaine, and Gasol; just like we may also. The problem is, most teams aren’t going to do a Theo/#5 deal alone, you are probably talking about other team’s bench players and maybe we losing a Gomes/West or Gomes/Allen combo too.

Bulls know they are missing a puzzle piece or two and I see them in the catbird’s seat as far as having the most to offer.