Peter May Has An Idea

It sure makes sense to me. Because it assumes we get Kevin Durant, we are basically trading our PROVEN best player for someone who hasn’t played one NBA minute. Why waste the paper and our brains on something like this?

Thus leaving the Lakers with no point guard, no center, no power forward – but other then that, it makes sense…

I would be a Lakers fan if that happened. Imagine Kobe and Pierce together? I don’t know if its the right fit, but they would be fun to watch… they would have to real clutch shooters in clutch games.

But the Lakers would never trade for Pierce if they are only going to give him 8 shots a game, its a waste.

At some point in time, people are going to stop proposing trades where we water down talent, and instead propose trades where we combine talent.

Does he expect Bynum, Walton, and Oden to each play a third of the minutes Pierce plays?

Its moronic on multiple levels.

First of all the C’s don’t need Lamar Odom he’s a good player not as good as Pierce and Odom has a lot of flaws in his game, his strength is, he’s 6’9 with a good handle and some athleticism he’s not a 20pt scorer he’s a decent rebounder and an average defender, and a good passer, when all totalled up he’s a bit over average and those players are plentiful in the league. Odom isn’t a difference maker for the C’s so he would be a waste of time !
I would be more interested in Byum than Odom, Byum has the tools to be a difference maker and a very good player for a long time, he’ll be average on offense and awesome on defense and rebounding and he’s not 20 yet ! Anything more than that is gravy from him.
The player I think the C’s should pursuit this off season is Millic from Orlando this guy has some talent that is beginning to blossom, his passing, rebounding, scoring, defense, and IQ is coming to surface I like this kid

Lol. The Celtics should jump at that deal. It’s the Lakers who would say no.

We are not going to win with pierce so why not trade. Bynum could be a good Center Odom is a good player and Kevin could be pierce’s replacement. Might as well try to get something for pierce since we are going to just waste his talent.

TrueGreen said:
  It sure makes sense to me. Because it assumes we get Kevin Durant, we are basically trading our PROVEN best player for someone who hasn’t played one NBA minute. Why waste the paper and our brains on something like this?

Because Bynum has the potential to be a premier center in the league. Bynum who was younger than Jefferson was in his second year, had better than numbers than Jefferson did. Bynum would be the key to the trade not Durant. Bynum, Jefferson, Durant is a formidable front line. One with the potential to be among the greatest frontlines ever.

I don’t think that the Lakers would be that desperate; but if a team is willing to give up great potential in Bynum along with a very capable role player and an excellet big wing man then it should be very much in the Cetlics consideration.

It should depend if the Celts get Durrant; Pierce will be turning 30 in October and if they can’t accent him why not wait a couple more years and really build with the youth. Can the fans be patient?

The upside will be a team, once seasoned a bit, that will content for a long, long time, That woud also get the taem big n a hurry; that is agood thing.

Peter May is a frustrated fantasy basketball player, lol!!!!

This is the same guy who want to sign, Grant “contact year” Hill to a MLE conrat b/c he’s a “classy guy”

It doesn’t really matter that in 6 years, Hill only player more than 60 game in a season twice. The second being his contract year.

Peter May has no credibility.

- Mk

are you guys seriously saying WE wouldn’t trade PP for Bynum, Odom and Walton??? We go to war then with: Al, Odom, Durant, TA, and Rondo with Walton, Bynum, Perk, Gomes, Green, West off the bench. I mean SOLID through ten players and we can then make more deals. No way the Lakers do it, but we do it in a second. For example, Minny would then take Bynum, Green, West and Walton for Garnett, for example, and then we’d have Garnett, Al, Durant, Ta, and Rondo with Perk, Odom Gomes off the bench. Then you get a vet back up point gutad win 80 games and the next 10 titles;>)

The lottery can’t come soon enough. all these scenraios are goofy as heck

peter may is one of those herbs who sits around coming up with ridiculous trades on realgm, then tries to pass them off as realistic sports commentary. the only thing is he gets paid to do it. what a tool.

I love how May spends part of the article complaining of homer-ism (with regard to ROY) and then proposes a totally homer trade.

I think the Paul pushes for this deal to happen. He gets to go home and play alongside Kobe in step one of the Lakers remodling push. Our lineup would be pretty nasty if this trade happened. We could turn around and try and trade Wally, Perkins and West and future pick for a big name point guard like Baron davis, mike bibby, or kidd.

All star point,TA,Durant,Odom,Jefferson, Rondo,Bynum,Green,walton, gomes,scal. With an mle pf, thats a great lineup. And also nice for our cap situation. Plus we still have theo to either cut at the end of the year or make a point guard trade more appealing to someone.

Why is everyone so hot on TA coming back? Don’t get me wrong … I’d love to see it, but don’t forget how long it took him to come back from a “simple” scope. This time he’s got a much more serious injury – there’s no guarantee he’ll be anything like he was when he hurt himself. Seems like a lot of the trade ideas I see around here conveniently ignore that fact. IMHO – he’s worth nothing to the C’s or anyone else until proven healthy and unafraid to use his legs.

   This trade puts a pretty high value on Pierce. I can’t see Lakers giving up Bynum and Odom for him, although they are going to have to do something, and certainly pursuing Paul Pierce should be high on their list. It sounds like Kobe isn’t cool with waiting for Bynum, and Odom don’t score enough to help Kobe. Its hard top speculate much until May 22.

“Peter May has no credibility.” Thanks MK for that.
I don’t like to talk negatively about people but at this time Peter May is the worst basketball writer Boston has had. He may have started off spirited but now he seems to be indifferent and bored with his job.

I used to love reading the Sunday Basketball Notes section; now his is hashed over stuff that any web researcer can find. It is like he hasn’t developed any relationships so that we can get insider news.

Besides today, proposing a wacky trade, when has this blog mentioned Peter May? That says alot about his effectivness as the beat writer for the biggest newspaper in the city and one of the best sports pages in the country. I guess every team has their weak link!

Why would the Lakers do that? Pierce is essentially the same player as Kobe. Sure, it makes sense for the Celtics, so what?

Teams need chemistry and I don’t see Paul and Kobe playing together Paul’s not a runner but he needs the ball in the half court to be effective, Kobe would have to make a huge adjustment for he and Paul to play together.
As for Odom coming to the C’s we really don’t need him but on the other hand Bynum would be a serious addition to this team that needs a real center that could rebound, block shots and score in the paint.
Some keep saying we can’t win with Paul but i strongly disagree with them that say so.
Paul hasn’t had a team that could compete for a championship but it looks as though this team is getting closer and closer to that goal now with the emergence of Al Jefferson, Tony Allen, Rajon Rondo and now with this high draft pick hoping for either Oden or Durant, Boston will find itself winning games they usually lost a couple years ago.
We can get rid of Wally, Theo, Telfair, Allan Ray and Gerald Green and replace them with some experience players who are both athletic and experienced.
Personally I would like to do a deal with Orlando for Millic and Reddick. I would give them Delonte, Perkins, and Wally and possibly a second round pick to make this deal happen.
What do ya’ll say to this deal ?

I can’t believe Peter May gets paid to come up with this stuff…horrible trade ideas….A hall-of-famer for a guy whose never made an all-star game..“just a thought” peter

i’d pull the trigger on this trade in a second, but yeah there’s probably no way the lakers would agree to it.

We can get rid of Wally, Theo, Telfair, Allan Ray and Gerald Green and replace them with some experience players who are both athletic and experienced.
Personally I would like to do a deal with Orlando for Millic and Redd**k. I would give them Delonte, Perkins, and Wally and possibly a second round pick to make this deal happen.
What do ya’ll say to this deal ?

I take it, you don’t really know what you’re talking about. I take it, Milicic (not Millic) is experienced, and Reddick is athletic?

Not to mention that Milicic is a free agent this summer, and that he is not a better player than Perkins alone, and you want to trade half a the team for him plus and undersized 2-guard who makes Dan Dickau look like Gary Payton? Hmmmm….

Now the player who is a perfect fit for the Lakers is West. In the triangle you need a pg who can shoot, The offense runs through the two guys on the sides of the triangle, not the pg.

Now if (a) the Lakers find it impoosible to get KG or JO, and (b) the Celtis offer West instead of Telfair, the Lakers might bite. But I would guess that Pierce would not be in the top 5 on their summer hit list.

Odom is a pf, not an sf. He’s 6-10 and he can pass. Basically he’s A. Walker without the ill-advised treys and missed layups.

This deal is unrealistic from a Lakers’ standpoint, but I do think we’d be lucky to get a player like Bynum for Pierce. I also feel like trading Pierce is something we have to explore if we get Durant. Quite simply, Pierce will be past his prime by the time we can win and his contract is huge.

I ceratinly agree that if we get Durant, PP should be traded for a core piece of our future. Many fans here think PP is worth the unimaginable. Thats not true from other team’s opinion. We have done nothing with PP. He is a good player in a lousy team. He is even our best player on a team that finished 2nd worst. Excuses will serve the die hards; not the objective enemy. If he is traded, and eventually he will, he will be traded for the best available player that is offered to us; whichever his position. Not every team makes the bad trades we make; we have a patent on that and patents are to be protected from thievery ( is that a word?)lololol. Peace.

even if we don’t get durant i’d still make that trade.

Yeah, “its moronic” sure, lets keep riding the we’ll be good in 6 years bus…. No thanks, its not moronic, if we don’t get the number 1 pick its a great trade.

We get Odom, who is better than everyone thinks he is, and Bynum who would be outstanding next to Big Al… I love Pierce, but lets be serious if we don’t get the Oden, its a trade that makes sense.

Whoever said “yea lets trade Pierce for a guy who has never played an NBA minute” Refering to us getting Durant, think before you type please.

I don’t care if you don’t like Lamar Odom, you can’t deny that he is a very talented player and if you forgot before Miami traded him for Shaq, he led the heat the Eastern Conference finals putting up monster numbers along the way. Bynum is 20, Perfect next to Jefferson for the next 10 years.

Its a great trade if we don’t get Oden ,and I’d hope it happens, for the sake of us and for Paul Pierce. We both deserve better than a .500 Odenless season next year

I got an idea too. I don’t want Odom. I don’t want Bynum. I want Peter May to lose his job. Now that would be a good deal for me.

I take it, you don’t really know what you’re talking about. I take it, Milicic (not Millic) is experienced, and Redd**k is athletic?

Not to mention that Milicic is a free agent this summer, and that he is not a better player than Perkins alone, and you want to trade half a the team for him plus and undersized 2-guard who makes Dan Dickau look like Gary Payton? Hmmmm….

Milicic would be a very good player for the C’s, unlike Perkins Milicic is much more versatile than Perkins in all aspects of the game with the exception of strength. JJ Redick would be a very good pick up because I believe he’ll be a better shooter than Delonte West and as he get more familiar with playing pro ball he’ll get smarter and more consistent.
I wasn’t suggesting we give up allthose players to acquire Milicic and Redick but those are the players that could be used to get that deal done. Though I think Orlando is going to resign Milicic.
Milicic would be a better fit for this team than Lamar Odom

idiotic proposal im sick of pierce trade rumors Paul is not available if he is going to the lakers we better get kobe back or dont bring that weak stuff in my lane

I would do that trade in a heartbeat. I don’t even care for odom or walton as long as Bynum is included. He will be a great center one day and what better place to develop than with jeff and perkins. If we get durant who will be a clutch player i would do that trade

Lakers could think about it, cuz kobe is ticked off and is passively threatening to leave. Kobe and Pierce would give la a nj type of team that could be hard to play. Plus its pierces home team as a child so that could elevate his game tremendously. Lakers could also sign some players who could easily patch up the front like Mikki Moore, Dan Gadruic and they will be in good position in this years draft(lots of good talent mid to late teens).

If they didn’t do a pierce trade they will take a while to get anywhere thats for sure and no way billups will sign with them for mid level

pierce trade could be worthwhile

What?…I he serious?

I’d trade Durant & some pieces for Bynum. Luckily, I think Bynum’s stock has dropped.

No way do you PP in that deal though. Would the Lakers have traded Kobe for Al Jefferson. some pieces & the Celts lottery pick? Doubtful.

I think Danny might be more willing to trade Pierce than Wyc does. I don’t see Pierce going anywhere this summer. The LA situation will be fascinating. Kobe wants deals. The other Buss will want to hang on to Bynum. Who wins? As for us, I could see Kirilenko here somehow. If Ainge is really serious about his improving the D comment. But I think Wally would have to be in the deal and Utah would be on the fence for that. Wally does have a shorter deal than AK.

say what you want about may….

but bynum may turn out to be BETTER than oden.

and odom is a better rebounder and passer than anyone the celtics currently have.

if you add durant and keep jefferson, you have 4 quality bigs - but still no legit PG.

When we talk about trading PP we’re forgetting several things. I’ll restate from my first post that Pierce is a PROVEN player. Some of the players mentioned in other posts are proven, but not as good as Pierce or unproven, despite their potential. Also, this team was and is being built around PP. Bring in someone to replace PP and we start all over again. Some say PP is 30 years old and is not going to be as good as he was. Maybe that’s so, maybe not (I think not). I think we are better off to have PP and let some player grow while PP is here to the point where he can take over his role eventually. At that point I still don’t think we should trade PP. We keep saying free agents don’t want to come to Boston. In the past, players such as Bill Walton have given up salary to come to Boston. Why. Because of the principles established by Walter Brown and Red Auerbach—FAMILY, LOYALTY, TRADITION. When Bird, Parish and McHale were practically invalids there was a call by fans and media to trade them while they had some value. Led by Red the decision was consciously made to allow these three to retire as CELTICS if they chose to do so. They knew it might hurt the future of the team. They were also paid their highest salaries in their declining years. This was payment for work past done. (In those days you were paid for what you did, not for what it was thought you would do). With Ron Gaston and Rick Pitino these principles were thrown out the window. With Danny’s hiring it seems to me he is trying to bring back those principles. Who would you rather work for, a boss who uses you and then throws you out when he can get someone cheaper, or one who will stick with you even if you’re not as good as you once were (as payment for what you did in the past to help build the company)? To me PP, like Bird, Parish and McHale, has by his play, leadership and commitment to the community earned the right to retire as a Celtic if he so choses. On the practical side, as the team around him gets better and takes the pressure off PP I think he’ll actually be worth more to the team.

Why are so many people over-rating Bynum, saying he might be better than oden?? Are you serious?? If he’s as good as everyone is making him out to be, i must be blind and he must be untouchable since he’s a big man. Ahhh the crap that Peter May brings with him.

I also don’t understand why we would trade Pierce if we ended up getting Durant. We throw chips away when we can keep stacking them?? WE NEED TO BE A DEEP TEAM TO WIN

When talking about Oden and Bynum and even Durant, we are forgetting about the chemistry developing on the Celtics. I know most people here see Perk as no more than a backup center. I don’t agree with that when just talking of Perk alone. More importantly I think we need to consider the chemistry between Perk and Al. I think each makes the other better. Maybe it will work with other players, maybe not. But that needs to be considered when bringing in another big, whoever it is.

Slow news day for May. Pierce just ain’t that good to warrant that deal. NEXT!!!

Slow news day for May. Pierce just ain’t that goodto warrant that trade. NEXT!!

Last October I was saying Bynum looked amazing and everyone poopooed me except for CF55. Hmmmmmm.

Belch. :P

Milicic would be a better fit for this team than Lamar Odom

Probably, but he’s a worse player and definitely not the piece that will move us over the top. Another lateral move is unnecessary at this point.

Reddick might be a better shooter, but he doesn’t have an NBA position. Tough for him. Allan Ray can shoot as well, so what.

Hey, I’ve got an idea. Let’s just keeep on doing what we’re doing. Didn’t Wyc Grousbeck say we’re really a lottery team in disguise. Acquire some good players at a bargain basement price? Oh no, we couldn’t possibly have Ron Artest or Stephen Jackson on the Celtics. We have high standards, like a convent.

And how could we consider trading Pierce? He’s Bill Russell, he’s Larry Bird. The Celtics are all about family loyalty and tradition. So let’s make up some fake championship banners. We can pretend that we won NBA titles in 2002 and 2003 with Pierce. There’s tradition for you.

And we have a great coach too, who is part of our family. We couldn’t possibly put a nice guy like Doc Rivers out on the street, even though he blows 10-12 games every year and couldn’t manage a rotation on a Playstation II NBA simulation? Loaylty and tradition are more important that mere victories.

So let’s just do nothing, and hope that Greg Oden is the second coming of Bill Russell. After all, if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it.

sorry ricky fan, but you can’t say that you’d be a lakers fan if pierce got traded to them, and still hang out in this blog. I don’t post much, but that is just blasphamy, and I had to say something.

I hope you were kidding.

i dunno. i didnt see all that much potential in bynum that makes him a lock to be all that much better than he is. i really dont. with with al on the floor we need a defensive center playing next to him and bynum doesnt strike me as a good defender at all. i dont think i like this deal better than just making our pick.

TrueGreen, take your nostalgia to the next Sportscentury taping. We’re trying to have an objective discussion here, not a forum on who is the next Celtic in line to have their number retired.

I’m sure the Patriots would have still won three championships if they had re-signed players like Lawyer Milloy and Antowain Smith because they “deserved” to be paid for past accomplishments.

This is the salary cap era and Pierce is overpaid and much older than every other important player on the team (counting this year’s pick). The Celtics would be foolish not to explore dealing him.

um…who ELSE are we getting? i don’t see one intriguing player in that deal for the Celtics. I am NOT sold on Bynum, who is rumored to be lazy and a little dim, and the last thing we need is another baby out there who will need to time to “develop.”

Odom? Walton? Pass.

Bynum is lazy and a little dim? Where did you hear that? He was an honor student at a fairly rigorous Catholic prep school— St. Joseph’s in NJ—the same school that produced Jay Williams.

As for his work ethic, it depends on who you talk to. Phil Jackson took him out of the starting lineup at one point, citing a poor work ethic, but Kareem Abduk Jabbar, who has been coaching him (a la Clifford Ray) has consistently called him a hard worker.

He’s a kid who came right out of high school, like Perkins and Jefferson. You have to evaluate him accordingly.

look, some of you have obviously confused K Brown with Andrew Bynum. Brown is a lazy stiuff who was coveted by many at one time, is still very young but has peaked. Bynum is NINETEEN defends and looks like a steal

well i was talking about dim from a basketball standpoint. whatever the case, he’s a giant question mark and another damn “future prospect” on a team which we all agrees needs more veterans, not less.

I don’t agree that the Celtics need more veterans. They need good players, old, young or in-between.

obnoxiousmime, it may be nostalgia, but it’s also good business sense. I’m not talking about retiring numbers and I’m not talking about players being paid after they’ve done their best work, those days are gone. I’m talking about building a business where good people want to come to work because they’ll be treated right. It’s also the type of business where people will work hard for the company.

Brickowski, we’re talking about trading Pierce for nothing. Trade him for a player of equal ability that will fit in with our roster and fine. But don’t trade him just because he makes alot of money. I’ve been accused of being nostalgic (and I like to be and it’s my right), but I have not seen one realistic trade for Pierce in the years I’ve been coming to this blog that would make the Celtics a better team. I truly believe that Pierce will be more valuable to the team as he is surrounded by more good players (and that’s despite his age and salary).

Odom, Bynum and Walton isn’t “nothing.” Since when did Odom suddenly become something other than a very good player? In 36 minutes he averaged 15-10 last year, and scored 17, 10, 18, 19 and 33 in the 5 playoff games against Phoenix. He has also averaged 4.6 assists per game over his career. That’s one assist per game more than Antoine Walker (3.7 career apg), who some Celtics fans view as the prototypical “point forward.” See

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3327

I’m with Brickowski. I like things the way they are. I love it when our leader leads us to an overtime victory and shuts it down for the season after that. I love it when I’m sitting in the stands and the guy next to me is laughing at our coach….I love it when management essentially moons their fans by sitting their best players in the quest for lottery balls. I love it when someone 6-9 240 ;D ;D is considered to be one of our smartest players (intangibles, you know) and integral parts when he’s the worst rebounder on the team.

Someone asked why Celtic legends are not involved in this mess?? Wow. Why would people who competed and coached at the highest levels (Tommy not withstanding) want anything to do with current management’s embarassing unethical tank job??

I don’t know that you stand pat even if management somehow sleazes themselves into a top two pick. Start with a non-playstation II ;D ;D
coach. (Well put, Brick) And above all, find players who want to compete.

Nobody was a more fierce defender of Pierce than I. But after the Orlando game…and the shutdown of healthy players, I’d just assume see the whole thing blown up….management included.

I don’t know why the lakers would consider a trade like that….But I’d do it in a heartbeat.

Bynum was good for all of 3 seconds this year, Luke Walton is at best your 2nd guy off the bench, and oh wait, there’s Odom! Another injury plagued calamity with bad knees! And for all this, all we have to do is give up our franchise guy? Hmmmmmmmm

We are a lowsy team there shouldn’t be anybody above being traded. That being said lets wait till after the draft before we nix this thing. Lets see if pierce is willing to play with durrant etc…

i just don’t see the point in trading your franchise player for one so-so player (walton), one above average but not great player (odom) and one young teenage question mark. seems risky to me. that being said, i don’t think the lakers would do the deal either. pierce isn’t the guy to put them over the top. they’d be smarter to go after someone like Jason Kidd, who can make the whole team better.

We won 24 games last season, Monty…..I don’t think anything should be off the table.

Under Doc Rivers, Kidd will not make any team markedly better…

A franchise player nearing age 30 on a 24-win team who is just coming off a serious foot injury is worth less than a franchise player in his mid 20’s on a 45-win team. That’s just how it is. Time marches on.