Shawn Marion Rumor

I really think the Celtics are in the driver’s seat with pick #5 because either Yi, Conley, or Horford is going to fall to us, and teams will want those guys.

If it’s Yi, entertain offers from the Suns, Bulls and Warriors and get some quality help for Pierce (Marion would be amazing).

If it’s Conley, entertain offers from the Hawks and maybe the Bucks. If no good ones come up, just keep him. He will be a good point guard.

If it’s Horford, just keep him. He’ll help right away. And a Jefferson-Horford-Perkins rotation in the frontcourt should set us up for years.

Assuming there’s no chance at KG, Marion is the best bet of any vet to really help us. How far could we go? Who knows just as we don’t know how far a Yi & Al combo would take us. I’d rather go with Marion and start winning this coming season and take my chances. I’ve had enough of the losing.

I would love it even more if we can get the Suns #24 pick back in the deal.

If that’s all we have to do to get Shawn Marion, then awsome. Otherwise, damn you chad ford, damn you for saying these things!!!!!

Ooohhhhh I like this one. I’ve been saying all along how much I would love to add Marion to the C’s. That said I would rather they take Gerald than Delonte, but you gotta give something to get something.

The GS blogger says the following:

Richardsonâ€â"¢s loss of explosiveness and defensive short-comings would be less noticeable in the slower east. His ball-handling issues also shouldnâ€â"¢t be troublesome with Pierce comfortable being the second playmaker.

I wonder how does he then think that Richardson will be an upgrade over Wally for us. Wally can do exactly the same when healthy.

I think we are giving up too much in the Marion trade. Ratliff ok but I don’t think we get rid of west and the #5.

I cant see Marion resigning with Boston. Isnt his contract up soon? No way he volunteers put up with Boston weather after all those years in Phoenix. He wont have any special allegience to the team after one or two years, and he should field alot of offers on the market. So is this trade really worth a two year rental of Shawn Marion? It sure reminds me alot of our last trade with the Suns involving Joe Johnson. Keep the pick. Trade Pierce to Phoenix to make him happy. My interest is what the team will look like when Al is 26 or 27.

He also has an option after this upcoming season.

I love the phrase “might be willing”. Phoenix would be hard pressed to find a better offer than that for Marion. I’m not sure they really lose that much by sliding Diaw in at power forward, it solves their luxury tax problems and they get a combo guard off the bench and the 5th pick in a deep draft. If they’re really looking to move Marion, that’s about as good as they’re gonna get.

I’m not so sure it’s that great a deal for Boston. Yeah, Marion would make them better…but first, they may not be able to resign him. Second, if they do resign him and give Al a big deal the team is staring down the luxury tax themselves. Third, Marion plays best at the 4, which moves Al to the 5 where he’s undersized. I’m not sure putting your best young player and future franchise leader at a disadvantage every game is a great idea. Frankly, unless Phoenix is going to thrown in the 24th pick for the Cs to take a shot at Sean Williams, I’m not thrilled over the idea.

Mike

Marion has a player option for 08-09 at 16 mil. Don’t believe he’ll just leave that cash on the table but you never know. Once the Suns trade him, his ties to them are done. He could try to go somewhere warm. Where? Miami, Dallas?? Who knows. Maybe if he sees that with him, Paul and Al plus Perk and others that maybe we compete very well in the Leastern Conference. Then maybe you convince him to stay. If not, then with his and Wally’s money off the books in July, 09 you should be able to go fishing for something big via free agency. I would rather try to win now with Marion, Paul and Al rather than see what we have with Al and Yi (or whomever) at age 26. Too far away for me to deal with more losing.

The only thing that scares me about Marion is the Nash factor.

Give me Gerald Wallace over Marion or J-Rich.

He’s younger, a committed defender and just as athletic.

Plus, he wouldn’t bolt after a year.

I’m not convinced that Marion will be able to play well in the C’s system under Doc. Marion thrived in the Suns because they spread the court well and they play fast. I won’t do the trade.

give up the #5? if this draft is really the deepest draft in years, we can look at 2003 as an example.
as i’m sure all of you know: james, bosh, anthony, and wade were all picked in the top 5 that year. would you really be willing to pass on having one of those guys? chauncey was a top 5 pick… are we all glad we traded him for short-term success? do we really want to do that again? unless we can finagle another high pick, i don’t think it’s worth it.

look we’re logjammed at SG/SF.

Delonte provides us much better value due to his ability to play the point.

if we sub Green or Allen for West I’m much more comfortable with this deal.

Draft at #5 and consider moving Pierce.

Marion will opt out in one year. You don’t give up a potential all-star at #5 who you could have for a decade for a one year rental. If you can’t trade for all star veteran such as Gasol or Garnett, draft at 5 and consider dealing Pierce. He won’t be in his prime for very much longer.

I’m not sold that this draft is as good as 2003. The top two, yes, of course but after that, eh. Wright has to improve his range before we start making any Bosh comparisons and no one knows about Yi except maybe Danny and what other GM’s who have seen the guy. Even then it’s guesswork. Brewer’s a good player but not at #5 and definitely not compared to Wade.

Yes, please. Marion, Pierce, and Big Al? We are in the playoffs easy, and contenders. I cannot understand why anyone would not do this deal. West is fine, but certainly no game changer. Anyone we draft at 5 will not be ready until Pierce is way past his prime. You do this deal every time, and twice on Sunday.

The thing about this idea is that it would leave us with just Rondo and Telfair at the point guard spot. Since this trade would mean going for it now, in the next two years or so, wouldn’t we essentially need to make another trade to get a veteran PG, as insurance if nothing else? I like Rondo a lot, but need to see a consistent J before I think he’s ready to be a starter on a team designed to go deep into the playoffs.

MR BOMB, Marion IS an all star and KG can opt out after this coming season also. There are no guarantees with anything. No guarantee that whoever we pick at #5 and Al get us any farther than Marion, Paul and Al will next year. It’s all opinion on which way is the best. But Still ACelticsFan laid out the numbers well for Marion along with the fact he usually makes one of the three all defensive teams the league has every year. He played well before Nash showed up in Phoenix so I don’t see him dropping off in productivity. His value is in his all around game as he is not a go-to scorer ala Paul. He runs, rebounds, defends, shoots the 3 very well. He would help open up the floor for Al in the post. He would fill the lanes on the break for Rondo. He would be a quality person in the locker room too. Other than getting KG, Marion would be the best addition this team could make. Gasol may be better only in that you would have contractual control over him a little longer. If we draft whoever at #5 it will be a few years of developing on the court and with Al, Rondo, etc. to put the C’s in a position where they are serious contenders in the East. By then you are paying big money to #5 and Al and maybe Gerald. We will need more than two good to great players to compete at such a level and as such, will have to pay some big bucks out. We have a chance here now to get a very, very good player to go with Paul and Al and compete next year. How far, who knows. I’d rather chance it now and worry about 3 years from now in 3 years. We may have new options by that time. Anyways, more than likely Phoenix doesn’t even make the trade. I can’t believe they’re willing to blow up their core in the middle of a serious run at a championship.

that is the question… how good is this draft? most say it’s the best in a while. both danny and nellie are high high on yi. danny has seen him play… he should know. brewer is projected as an instant premiere defender, which this team needs desperately. i think danny has had great success in the draft and giving up his highest pick ever could be a major mistake. once the rental of marion is over and we look at how the players we could’ve had are playing, i see a whole lot of regret in celtics nation.

Sure there is a chance the #5 may become a better player than the Matrix but I don’t the the odds are any better than 50/50 and any such output would likely be 2-3 years down the road, especially with a “potential” guy like Yi. I don’t think DA and especially Doc can afford (ie keep their jobs) to keep the pick and wait if such a trade is on the table. The question then becomes whether ownership is willing to take on the extra salary and whether the Suns can get anything better. I like this deal, Marion has been a consistent 19/10 guy nearly all his career (the Nash factor has zero impact on his stats) and is above averge defender.

Marion is no spring chicken either. He is getting up there in years. I agree with a previous post. Trade to get Wallace from Charlotte.

The problem with Marion remains simple: what do we do next year when Wally hasn’t expired yet, Marion is on the payroll for 16 million, and we need to resign half of the team.

well said kozlodoev. I believe we would only have $5M to spend with Gomes, West, Jefferson all free agents.

Celty86- I actually agree with you. Marion would be awesome on our team and I bet we would make it to the Finals. He could also compliment Jefferson Perfectly when he plays the 4 and Jefferson at the 5. Shaq is almost retired and jefferson just fine at the 5. He actually guards 5’s better because they are slower than most 4’s.

You MUST make him sign an extension before we get him. If we loose him for nothing we are right back in the lottery after just 1 year. Plus Paul Pierce would be getting older too. We’d be even worse off. If you get Yi at 5 he could be under our control for a decade! Plus if he’s as good a shooter as everybody says he is, he would be unstoppable as a 7 footer. Him and Jefferson would form our frontcourt for 10 years.

Pierce, Jefferson Marion- 1 trip to the finals-swept in 4 games and Marion opts out.

Jefferson and Yi- Potentially many NBA championships as they play together for 10 years.

Don’t make this trade. Take Brewer at #5 (assuming Horford is gone). This is another short term trade that will hurt us long term. Trying to make Pierce happy is not the best thing for the franchise.

Not another Rodney Rogers-Tony Delk for Joe Johnson trade. Patience, young grasshoppers. Quick worrying about Paul Pierce’s biological NBA clock. He will transition us into a great team, but is destined not to win a championship with the Celtics. Danny, please keep the pick, draft Yi, and watch us have fun and grow into a great team. It will take a few more years, but I’m not goin’ anywhere.

Marion works well with a fast break offense, the problem is Rondo, Tony and Marion like to run all the time but the other players pick their spots. So I feel the team would be out of balance. I hope we get 2 more big men on the celtics, we need to draft one or 2 big men or trade for one and draft one. Draft either Yi, Horford, Wright, Green or Noah 3 of those picks will be available at 5 and the 32 pick take the best PF or Center. Look at trading after the draft and tryout the new players in game situations before you do it so you do not let a great player go on your team.

I say make the trade then you have a starting 5 of
PG- FA, Billups or Bibby maybe
SG- Pierce
SF- Green
PF- Marion
C- Jefferson
with Perkins, Ryan Gomes and Allen off the bench
not a bad team

You dont’ do the deal unless Marion agrees to rework his contract to get rid of the opt out claus. Without that you are trading for maybe one year of Marion. That would be monunentally stupid. But, if you are willing to throw some money on the table, he might be willing to do that. A big three of Marion, Pierce and Al Jefferson, would be very good and have a shot in the east.

i,ll say it again. what if conley falls to us at 5, and we trade the pick to porland for aldridge. voila, we have our big man.

Keep the pick, and say no on Marion.

Fans love to look backwards at past performances and project them into the future. But it seldom works out that way. Marion makes too much, and he’s headed downhill (plus being a head-case). That’s why Phoenix wants to shed themselves of him.

Fans also love to spend the owners’ money. Why not? It’s not their money. But the owners will need Ratliff’s money for Jefferson.

Finally, I don’t much care if getting this or that player will “make Paul Pierce happy”. If he’s not happy, then maybe Ainge can find another team to give us a similar offer for him.

The Suns are very close to a championship and need Marion to accomplish that task. It is not in the best interest of the Suns to trade him. If things are not going well for the Suns next year, they can always trade him at the deadline (or next year with a sign and trade). They should trade one of their draft choice with the stipulation that the trading partner include Banks. This will help them somewhat with their salary cap.

Any deal with Phoenix will result in their low #1`s coming our way which would easily replace a West, Allen or Perkins being moved in the trade in a deep draft class. The Suns don’t want to be locked into any multi-year contracts with young players that aren’t going to break into their rotation. This is common for veteran teams…..remember when Travis Knight was drafted with the final pick in the first round and his right were then immediately renounced?

I love it how the same posters who were against Boozer are now also against Marion…..it’s like those folks missed the past two seasons here. Does anyone feel confident in Teflon Danny making the correct call?

Why should we give up the #5 and Theo for Marion? There aren’t that many expiring contracts out there that Phoenix could go for, are there?
If the Suns are desperate, they will take Theo and his salary(insurance paid probably) and be happy. Throw in the Minny future maybe, but not this years pick.
 Danny should be in the drivers seat in any deal for Theo’s contract, not pleading with someone to trade for the #5.
 As the draft gets closer , I fear that Danny and Doc are beginning to worry more about their job next year than this teams future for the next decade.

Marion would be a bad fit in Doc’s “so called” system. Most of Marion’s offense stems from Nash’s play making. And if he is only around for 2 years max, then it would be another waste to trade the lottery pick (#5). I prefer to keep the pick and if we trade see what we could get for Pierce, West, Green, Wally, Gomes… anybody but BigAl, Perk, Rondo and Allen.

agreed Cfanmississippi. I think Danny will trade the pick the morning of. Like last year and Horford will be there at 5.

Where did Marion’s offense come from prior to playing with Nash? He has consistently put up similar numbers throughout his career regardless of whether Nash was in the lineup with him…..both during his games in Phoenix without Nash as well as earlier in his career.

Why should we give up the #5 and Theo for Marion? I would hope the reason would be to greatly improve the team especially considering their appears to be a huge dropoff following the Top-3 of Oden, Durant and Horford (top-4 if you want to add BWright’s potential upside to that list)……not good when you are picking 5th.

thats way to much for Marion. he is good but he is on his last 3 yrs
of his career. his numbers are dropping off already ,
and assorted injuries will take longer to heal hence hurting
production even more. see wally, raef, olawakandi, payton just to
mention a few from this team. then we have to worry about him bolting.
I would rather use top 5 pick, we might not see one that high for a
decade now that we have some major pieces in place.

As I said last week, Ainge is acting out of desperation and nothing good will come of it.

The only thing you can say about Marion is that he is a better band aid than Rashard Lewis, who can’t defend a chair. Unfortunately, Marion will opt out in a year and we will have traded #5 for a one-year rental, a la Rodney Rogers.

This tesm noeeds to do three things to start on the long road back to contention:

1. Fin a better coach than Rivers
2. Trade Pierce. The time to think about building around him has come and gone. It might have been viable in 2003, but it is now 2007 and it hasn’t worked out. It’s time to move on.
3. Draft Mike Conley, the blue chip point guard who will make everyone around him better. Rondo isn’t the answer at the point.

Ainge is doing none of these things. It’s hopeless, really.

I would not trade the 5th pick away for marion….he will not make us instant contenders if we traded for him…..the closest thing that marion would ever come to winning a championship is if his “second coming” team faced against an inferior east team…..I would do a theo type trade for marion w/o giving up the 5th tho.

AND…rondo is the answer to the point guard situation….his defense is light-years better than conley and he can pass too…all he needs to do is work on shooting…which can progress through practice…u can not teach rondo’s defensive instincts….For Brickowski…we need brewer not conley

I don’t think we need him. However I just want to point out I had put together a 4 team trade that involed the Suns trading Marion for Theo, Gomes, West and The #8 (from the Bobcats) and people said I was crazy that the Suns would never do it. “they would want so much more”. Doesn’t sound too much difrent then this rumor. Marion went to Atlanta in my trade and we got Johnson instead.

Marion would never play a game in Boston, he’s not interested in going to subpar teams and has made that be known. He has stopped trades from happening in the past, he can do it again.

The deal Ford talks about doesn’t save Phoenix a dime of tax, in fact it actually raises thier total payroll.

I think we could pretty easily get 24 for 32 and cash.

THEO, Delonte, Green for Marion (NO #5 PICK)

#5pick = We use it for ourselves to draft either Brewer(replaces Gerald)or Conley to replace delonte’s minutes at point.

This is the only way we should trade for Marion, anything besides this and the suns can can have fun eating their own money. This way we wouldn’t lose everything if Marion opted to leave. As you can see, Green and Delonte are easily replacable with those picks. I consider those draft picks upgrades over the those two.

While the focus is on Marion and his likely departure after one year, in this deep draft picks #s 24, 29, 32 and 59 could help the Celtics rebuild this club with talent, size and more balance. We all agree (I hope) that no one single (aging) player will get us to #17. Pierce can always be traded next year and along with Wally’s expiring contract, we still have chips to add to the rebuilding process.

The focus seems to be Pierce and his limited playing days. Management’s aim has been to rebuild while staying competitive. In all of this talk we’re focused on the immediate rather than #17. This draft’s depth becomes an opportunity to substantially change the face of the Celtic’s future. We’ve seen the “bottom of the barrell”, isn’t it time for us to take the… l o n g… look ahead? We missed the first means of doing so (in Oden) but sometimes what you don’t get FORCES you to take an action that you might have never considered beforehand.

I view the importance of this draft as an opportunity to restock the pantry. If we move out of #5, our first priority should be to obtain multiple picks. It may take alot of manuevering to get there, but in all things, we should look to the future. Wyc et al may have to take a one year luxury tax hit but the end may justify the $$$ means. As in all business, one must INVEST money to keep growth alive. Fans will not continue to support a poor product unless we see light at the end of the tunnel.

Can pick #59 be worth much, even in this deep draft? This could be an opportunity for the Celtic’s to look overseas and draft a player there that shows great FUTURE potential….as in a 7’ center who needs coaching and PT in order to continue developing. That formula has worked well for others, isn’t it time that we explored all the avenues toward rebuilding a winner?

Take Marion out of the Phoenix game and he is a bust in Boston. The money to re-sign Al is squandered. Gerald Green is now hitting 18-20 per game in Phoenix and is still 22 yrs old. We are a much better team next year just by being healthy and older. Other teams get worse getting older. The key is if Rondo has all the tools (ie a shot). Brickowski has a 50% chance of being right about the PG, even though he thinks he’s a 100% right. No trades. Patience! Even Perk looked like a keeper by end of year. Before blowing up this young base, I would sure as hell try another coach.

Wildblue….can u please tell me what perkins has done that made him look like a keeper….if a player looks like a backup center in the starting center position…that does not make him look like a keeper