My dream scenario

1) Trade Ratliff, Gomes, 2008 1st Rounder (or Minnesota 1st rounder if they’ll take it) for Rashard Lewis
2) Trade #5 to Charlotte for #8 and #22
3) Draft Joakim Noah at #8
4) Trade #22 and #32 to move up and draft Acie Law

Al Jefferson/Kendrick Perkins
Joakim Noah/Rashard Lewis/Leon Powe
Rashard Lewis/Gerald Green
Paul Pierce/Wally/Tony Allen
Rajon Rondo/Delonte West/Acie Law

Okay…So who are they initialy talking about being involved in this trade then?? Why keep us in suspense?

The rumor is Theo Ratliff, Ryan Gomes, and a future first rounder, but not the 5th pick.

I like this deal. If we only have to give up Theo, Gomes, and 08 1st rder. We can draft Harford or Noah, Eventhough Brewer would be my 1st pick. Brewer no longer makes any sense if we get Rashard Lewis. This leaves is having to go big maybe even Jilian who will most likely be available at the 5th pick.

C Jilian/ Perkins
PF Jefferson/ Sean Williams or Glen Davis
SF-Lewis/ Wally Z
SG-Pierce/ Green/ Tony Allen
PG Rond/ Delonte

WOW!!!

I think that Ryan Gomes’ name being brought up ia just an assumption. That guy on the realgm board who claims to have a source refused to name the player who the sonics were interested in but he did say it was Ratliff and this player to the Sonics for Lewis. It’s obviously not Pierce or Jefferson but one player who can be excluded is Gerald Green who is supposedly the guy who Lewis is friends with and does not want to see go.

Another note on Gerald according to this source: He has added more muscle and has worked really hard on coming off screens and his mid-range game. This source has predicted that Gerald will be a starter by mid-season. Hopefully this guy is for real because that would be great news if Gerald is truly working that hard

Now that’s more like it. If this trade goes down, and we keep the pick, who shall we select. Not Brandon Wright, who refused to play against other players in the workout today. This guy either has a promise from another team…I think that’s probably it. I bet Atlanta will select him. What a horrible management team they got down there. Anyway, Yi will be available, but will we want him with Lewis? How about Conley. Lewis, Pierce, Jefferson, and a precocious (sp) Conley at the point, with Rajon to back him up. Perk will play center. But we seem short on bigs. Hmm, dont know.

But it does not make any sense if Seatle has no obligation to Lewis. I gues they would take in 11 million doallars in Ratliff contract for one year to get Gomes and a future 1st rdr. Something does not sound right!

If Gerald Green will be a starter by midseason, why are the Celtics so interested in Rashard Lewis?

Lewis is not going to solve this team’s defensive issues. If anything, he’ll make it worse. Plus, he will have a 5 or 6 year deal.

I like Rashard Lewis to a degree, but his defense ranks along side Dan Dickau (okay maybe he is better than Dan, but he is largely a matador).

That said, if it involves Theo, Ryan and a future first rounder, I have no problems with that trade.

Cheers

Aussie

I’d be concerned with our paremeter defense at least in the short run.. (with Wally, TA not 100%)
But I do really like Lewis’ game.
I wonder if a point of contention is also Swift… maybe like “OK you can have the pick, but we send Powe and get Swift.” Be nice anyway… and I’d do in a second. Your right Jeff… that would be a HUGE win though to obtain Rashard AND keep the pick.

This would be the perfect scenario, getting that “talented veteran to ease Pierce’s pain” AND keeping the No.5 pick in a “deep draft.”
If this were to go through they have no use for Brewer and and think they need to think point guard (I think Rondo will be solid but not great).
I know Danny hasn’t been giving Conley high praise, but it could be a smoke screen.
All in all, this scenario has me giddy.

Can we please go after a someone who plays good defense? Thanks! Gerald Wallace anyone?

this is beautiful. although, we better hope TA comes back strong… or we draft a defensive specialist.

[quote=“Celtic Thug”Darth your right on but one thing. It the would be Theo (expiring contract) Ryan Gomes (expiring contract) and next years 1st round draft pick. That draft pick will be unprotected. This should be good news for Celtics fan because the Celtic can now take the best player on the board at 5.

I’m hearing Danny still would trade the #5 pick to move down in the draft to draft a guy like Al Thornton. But Danny see visions for a 6’10 small forward Rashard Lewis, 7’0 PW in Yi, and a 6’10 center in Al Jefferson. That front line compliment each others game so nice. It’s not the greatest defensive front line in the NBA but tell me who has a great defensive front line in the NBA?[/quote]

That was one of Celtic Thug’s (the one with the source who started all this) last posts.

I think Lewis & Noah is a better scenario than just Marion.

This is just another band aid. It won’t be the last rumor between now and draft night, either. There will be 5-6 more.

If we get Lewis, Yi would not be a bad selection. Lewis with Yi backing up at our 4 spots, playing the same type of game. I’d be for that. ;)

Jeff, you should do some poaching and get some of these ppl from realgm who are in the know to post here… that would make this blog near god-like in stature! ;)

RealGM has people “in the know?” Don’t make me laugh.

Regardless of his defensive shortcomings, Lewis is a very nice fit for this team. He’s young and long and in conjunction with Pierce and Jefferson he would be a very very tough guard, particularly in the east. With those three players you have enough offense so that you can fill out the rest of your roster with complementary/defensive players.

Rondo, Allen, Perkins, and maybe even a Noah or a Brewer, you add those guys to a Pierce/Al/Lewis trio, you could win a lot of games. If you add an Al Horford to that group, watch out. You’d have your core roster basically wrapped up if we could make that move. Seems to me that if Lewis really does want to play here, we should do whatever it takes in terms of players (outside of Al, Rondo and Pierce) or future picks to make it happen.

If we only give up Gomes, Ratliff, and a pick next year you need to seriously think about trading that #5 for a Jermaine Oneal or a Zach Randolph. Bringing in guys like that could get us deep into the playoffs. We could trade Wally and the # 5 to Portland for Z-bo. Then draft Sean Williams or maybe Lasme at 32.

Jefferson/Perkins/Williams
Z-bo/Powe/Scalabrine
Lewis/Green
Pierce/Allen/Ray
Rondo/West/Telfair

I wonder if Rashad is as bad a defensive player as PP.

I am not very familiar with RLewis game except from what I hear and see now and then. He appears to be a tough cover offensively and an adequate rebounder (kind of like Tim Thomas when he wanted to play). I guess, if we can get him without giving up the 5fth pick, then I am all for it. I just hope we don’t over pay for him though….just in case.

Lewis over Marion but no 5th pick for either…either may get Brick his wish-Pierce traded…maybe but not right away

He’ll be an unrestricted free agent in a month. I’m not offering much. We can just sign him off the street this summer if he really wants to be in Boston. Theo’s insurance will help if that puts us badly over the cap next year. Any idea of how much of theo’s contract the celts recouped last year?

Lewis is the black Vladimir Radmanovich. That’s why the two of them didn’t work in Seattle: they are too much alike.

He can shoot 3’s and he can dunk in the open floor. He has no post game, no midrange game, no defense, no rebounding, no toughness.

 I Like RL, who I think is a much better choice than Marion considering the contract, age, talent.

But, I would hope that with the Spanish news reporting Gasol will still seek a trade, we’d be in that hunt, which will cost Ratliff. It’s a better fit for our team.

Lewis is a free agent. Why would Seattle take Theo’s contract just to make him more money. If I was Seattle, I’d want more than Gomes, and would try to move some crap as well.

I really wonder where the defense would come from. I like the deal for obvious reasons and talent-wise it’s a no brainer, but if TA is healthy I’d really like to see him start. Pierce/Lewis defending Lebron? Wade? Kobe? Does any of that sound good to anyone here? Still, it’s hard for me to say no if we get to keep the pick and draft Conley or a good big.

Is it just me, or do all these trade scenarios have nothing to do with the best interest of the team and everything to do with placating Pierce? I havent been so excited by Celtics news since I picked up the paper and read that the Celtics signed Dominique Wilkins.

I too am in favor of this deal for lewis but i am also wondering about the whole marion deal as well. Does anyone have an idea of what the cap implications would be for having both those players on the roster as well as Pierce, is it completely impossible? Could anyone here imagine a lineup of Rondo,Pierce,Marion,Lewis,Jefferson? That would be amazing.

I am curious to know why Lewis is not a better shot blocker, given his size 6’10". Does he have a short wingspan? Or is it that he just doesn’t put in the effort. I know he projects as a SF, but I wonder if there is any chance he could be molded into a perimeter oriented PF ala Rasheed Wallace… insights, anyone?

if rashard could play defense i would be happy. they would need to get a big man with #5 who could play d- horford would do it however he won’t be there. that leaves noah- not a bad choice. then a backup pg, i.e. if they have to trade delonte. if they keep d west, who would want wally?

my guess is the backup pg would end up being Earl Watson — the only way I can see the deal going down would be if Seattle got more sweeteners than delonte and a first round pick… One sweetener the Cs can add is taking on Watson and his big contract. ie: Theo Gomes Telfair (expiring) future 1st rounder for Lewis (S&T) Watson.

With that proposed Lewis trade the best fit for our team (assuming Horford gone) would seem to be Joakim Noah because of his size and defensive capabilities. I dont think hes the #5 talent but he would definitely be the best fit with that roster rather than another wing or perimeter offensive player like Yi. And while I dont think Noah is going to be a star, he could be a 7’0" glue guy type that would bring a lot of things our roster needs (size, shotblocking, energy, attitude, shocking ugliness, etc.). With Pierce, Rashard, Jefferson we would have a lot of offense and could afford taking a super glue guy like Noah. Just something to think about. We could probably also trade down to 8 or so and still have a shot at him.

nebist, I completely agree.

If we get Lewis, Noah is the guy to get. He’s a leader, an energy guy, and would fit perfectly in our frontcourt next to Jefferson.

Obviously this deal isn’t a sure thing, but I must say I am giddy at the possibility of having a Rondo, Pierce, Lewis, Jefferson, Noah starting lineup (insert Jim Norton “tee-hee”).

Meh. Rashard Lewis isn’t as good as Marion. Being a good team isnt’ about accumulating ‘assests’ its about having the best players. Marion is light years ahead of this guy defensively and that’s why Danny should consider moving the pick for him instead..

…and now it’s time to step back and review that “horrible” trade that brought Telfair and Ratliff to Boston and saved over 20 million (Raef’s extra year salary plus insurance coverage on Ratliff’s salary). Why do you now suppose that the Celtic’s are receiving so many trade feelers?

The 5th pick is not the 3rd or 4th pick yet the Celtic’s are receiving the most attention and it may not even involve the 5th pick!

Ratliff’s expiring contract is the best available in the entire league this year and remains our strongest trading “chip” to acquire the likes of Marion/Lewis etc….and next year a similar sweet trade may be available for Wally’s expiring contract.

In retrospect, some of Danny’s previous moves, once considered ill-conceived, may now be viewed in a more strategic light. Our pantry once so sparse that it was hard to interest another team in any kind of meaningful trade, now seems to have trading chips ….players as well as expiring contracts that many covet, even require to avoid the dreaded LUXURY TAX.

I agree that if we get Lewis, Noah makes sense as a pick. We should then definately talk to the bobcats about #8 and #22 for #5. If they don’t bite we could throw in Delonte. We should be able to still get our guy but we grab an extra pick in a deep draft.

PLEASE NO ZACH RANDOLPH!!

i don’t like marion as it will cost us the 5th pick, plus he’s got an opt out clause…what i like about rashard is we can still use the 5th to draft noah/brewer, i would not draft yi coz of the presence of rashard.

everything will be revealed on draft night…if boston does not trade the pick and exercises it on either noah or brewer, then i definitely will see rashard coming on july 1.

I dont think the difference between Marion and Lewis is a draft pick.. Hence i would settle for Lewis by far..

In regards to Noah ..he will never be a 20/10 guy but he could be a character that meshs this team together.He may be a reach at 5 but hell it just might work..

I agree that if we get Lewis, Noah makes sense as a pick. We should then definately talk to the bobcats about #8 and #22 for #5. If they don’t bite we could throw in Delonte. We should be able to still get our guy but we grab an extra pick in a deep draft.

So, you basically expect the 22th pick to get you a player that is so much better than Delonte as to justify moving 3 picks down in the lottery? I wish people would think a bit before coming up with genial proposals like this one.

Does anyone know a guy that plays the same position as Pierce, does not play defense, and shoots three?

His name is Wally Szczerbiak, and we allready have him. Coincidently, we are also willing to dump him for an expiring deal.

Is Lewis better? Marginally, yes, but I want more than a slight upgrade for Theo and I am willing to send additional assets to get it.

If teams that play hard defense and have defensive
minded players on their team win the big games and win
championships ex. detroit and san antonio and Miami
with a 4ft wide tree in the middle and wade around him.

then why do the Celtics even consider the rashard lewis,
telfair and dickau types and rid themselves of the bowen
billup types

also guys like Lewis who come east, lose about a third of their stats
and get their poor defense exposed. if you think rashard has defensive
questions now, wait until the he cant guard a rocking chair jokes start.
then your stuck with a guy with okay stats but cant help ou win a darn
thing.
rashard 22pts 6.6rpg in high scoring fast pace seattle
rashard 16.6pts 4.3rpg for the celtics, green could do this
for us by mid season

Sorry, but in regards to Gerald Green, his developmental progress to date has been so lacklustre that I’d be shocked to see him as a starter or major contributor by mid-year. His most noticeable deficiency has been a LOW basketball IQ and “osmosis” is a very…. s l o w… process!

I like the fact we could get lewis and keep our 5 pick. Yes he don’t play defense as well and grab rebounds. And he always getting injured. I know everyone wants to keep the 5 pick just as much as i do. I want to get Yi. But MArion sounds sweet. Can U imagine If we get Lewis and Marion. Al Jefferson, Marion, Lewis, Pierce and Rondo. I hope they get an veteran pg like Brevin knight or Mo Williams. They would win the East

If Banks is in the deal, they can kiss off.