Bet The Farm On KG?

Someone will go on trade checker and figure out how to get Pierce and Kobe involved.

So we’re giving up ALL our assets (Green, the 5th pick, Ratliff, and Jefferson) for Garnett? I think most GMs would agree that is a hefty price, especially since I can’t think of a team that can better that offer. So who are we bidding against here, exactly?

I think Jeff is the most valuable piece here, not the possible rent-a-player Garnett, so shouldn’t WE be the ones demanding things here? For starters, they should take Wally back instead of Ratliff, and we should give them their future first back instead of the 5th overall.

Im torn between a straight up trade between a young
garnett just coming into his own (big al)who had more
than a few garnett type games this past year, for an
old garnett hitting the down side of his career.
But then when wehave to throw in so much salary cap
reward points with theos contract along with g green who
i think was just turning the corner the 2nd half of the season
 and then a #5 which could be conley jr, the next deron williams
or b wright the 3rd highest rated player depending on who
atlanta grabs. this deal bites

AL is NOT tradeable…because of abilities and age the only guys AL would be traded for is James&Oden…plus Garnett&PP do not win…makes no sense…none

It’s interesting how every trade rumor has the Celtics including Gerald Green as part of the package. Since we’ve seen first hand Green’s struggles in trying to become an effective NBA player as opposed to an extremely talented tease, I think we tend to overlook the potential there. I still believe there’s a greater probablility of Green becoming a star than a version of Kedrick Brown. The Celtics should hang onto him unless the deal is so one-sided in their favor they can’t refuse. A team based on KG and Pierce (and w/o Jefferson) has about a second-round ceiling in the East, and that’s only if Rondo develops in a hurry. In the West, they’d be in the playoff hunt with teams like Golden State and the Nuggets.

Since theirs a risk that KG walks, we should keep AJ out of it.

trade them whatever they want outside of AJ, PP, and RR. thats the trifecta that needs to stay together. Everyone else is bait as far as im concerned.

Hell no…….. :’(

This is way too much for a 1/2 year rental.

Hells no

I starting to lean toward Brickoski’s sentiments on trading peirce.

If you look at the amount of years he has played compared with other stars of the 80’s and 90’s he is getting to the point where his performance is going to decline over the next 3-5 years.

We need to trade this guy, as much as I like him. It is what is best for the team.

No way Jefferson is involved. With the 5 Minnesota could take Wright or Horford as their future 4. Add a number 1 (maybe their pick back) or 2 (next year’s #1 too) instead.

For the next 5 years who would you rather have Jefferson or Garnett? I’d take Jefferson.

Jefferson should be the most non-tradeable player on this roster.

If you want Garnett, you might as well trade Jefferson. They play the same position and there will be no money to sign Al unless KG opts out. I don’t see this deal going down. 1 year ago? maybe, but not after what Al did last year. Big Al ain’t walking out that door, and if Al ain’t walking out the door, there is no reason for KG to walk in that door.

Say No to Trading Big Al !!

I am also looking at Conley more as the best available at five.

With the exception of his outside shooting (33% vs 44%) his stats are comparable to Chris Paul freshman year.

I the best teams in the league are driven by great Point Guards. I love Rondo, but if Conley is the real deal I think that is the direction to go.

Bad deal for us. Next.

And another thing, if were trading away…

AJ
GG
Telfailure
Ratliff, and the

1. pick

what exactly is “and change”???

if that is a trade, i wonder what danny is drinking. if it"s not a trade what is ford drinking, or why are the involved parties throwing out such a smokescreen? is this a veil to set people up to accept pp for kg?

First, even Ainge is not dumb enough to trade for Garnett on a one year rental. If Garnett is not willing to agree to a new contract, you don’t make the deal. If Al Jefferson is untradable, then how can people not be optimistic about next year? Garnett regardless of the number of minutes he has played is still under 30. He is still a top five player in the league and will be for at least three or four more years. You could say that Al Jefferson will be good for ten or 12 more years. That is true, but this is Kevin Garnett we are talking about. Delonte West will probably be good for another decade and a lot longer than Garnett will be good, but you would never trade 4 years of Garnett for 10 years of West.

The bottom-line is that if you say Al Jefferson is untradeable, even for a 30 year old HOF PF, then you are saying that you know Al Jefferson is going to be an elite player next year or certainly the year after. I am not saying that isn’t true. It might be. I am just saying that is a pretty bold statement about Al Jefferson. I don’t see how people can say that on one hand and then on the other hand be convinced the team is going to be terrible next year.

This could possibly be the most absurd rumor of all summer. How is this even close to being feasible for us?

I believe Ainge when he says theyre not even close to any deals , other than something minor i say they keep the pick and take Horford or Yi.

Have the Celts brass even invited Conley to workout at all? I think there are too many big men available for them to overlook them for a point guard this time round.

PP for KG would be the most pointless trade in NBA history. The idea is to put PP and KG on the same team. Without that, both teams are left right where they started. PP and KG together would, if nothing else, be a cheap trip to the finals. Considering how sorry Clevland looked in the finals, I can’t believe that PP and KG couldn’t get out of the East.

A 6-for-1 deal, plus change? What?

Take Big Al out of the equation, and then maybe there’s some valid reason to do it. But, like most everyone has said so far, this is a very hefty price to pay. Most of the team’s tradeable assets for a potential 1-year rental? No thanks.

PP and KG together would, if nothing else, be a cheap trip to the finals. Considering how sorry Clevland looked in the finals, I can’t believe that PP and KG couldn’t get out of the East.

Unfortunately, some believe that just getting there(to the Finals) is enough. Everyone remembers who wins the title, but far less remember who lost. And, a trade like that would set the franchise back several years.

I’m all for trying to get Garnett, but not at the price that Chad Ford is reporting.

Didnt Mchale say something to the effect of “you will be hearing alot more from us” in regards to trades this summer . ..

I am assuming it was in regards to providing KG some help..

Replace PP with Jefferson and i’ll think about it.

trade pierce instead

this doesn’t seem like a realistic deal. you’re not only dealing jefferson, you’re dealing another prized youngster, gerald green, AND the 5th pick. If McHale could pull off this trade it would be the best move he has ever made, especially considering garnett wants out anyway.
for us it would be horrible. i love garnett personally, but you’re giving up our whole future for a guy who might not be around after one year.

all i can say is i hope chad ford is wrong like he usually is.

I think the intent is to pair Pierce and KG together. However, it is definitely interesting to think of the possibilities of a KG/Al low-post combo. I’d probably be more inclined to trade Pierce as well.
Pairing Pierce and KG might seem logical to some, but the cap implications alone should heed warning.
Not to mention the C’s would be giving up everything for MAYBE one year of KG’s services (and I believe Garnett has already stated, or implied, that he doesn’t want to play in Boston).

Count me as among the surprised that this proposed deal is getting blasted by so many people. Put it this way — if KG agrees to an extension, how exactly does it not make sense? If we’re paying Pierce anyway, if we’re already committed to trying to win now, how is this not the move to make?

As terrific a player as Al Jefferson is and will be, he’s not Kevin Garnett. Al is a great scorer and rebounder who struggles on defense. KG is a great defender in addition to being one of the best offensive players in the game (his offense including his passing ability). If Kg extends and you have KG and Pierce locked up for a number of years, that’s instantly a contending team in the east — particularly if Rondo, Tony Allen, Perkins and, yes, Wally are still on the team. A starting five of Rondo, Allen, Pierce, KG and Perkins would be a dominating defensive team, good enough to compete for a championship. If Danny can scrounge a little more offense out of the next few years’ picks, you’d have enough firepower for a 2-3 year run, much like the Heat got out of Shaq. And at the end of it, your two stars’ contracts end and you start over with a good cap situation.

This is a similar situation to what the Heat did. They got Shaq without giving up Wade. We’d be getting KG without giving up Pierce. The Ainge years have taught us to fall in love with young talent and draft picks, and we all like Al, that’s why this sounds like a bad deal at first. But around the league, people would call this a no-brainer the other way. The Celtics do this deal and they’re a 52-55 win team tomorrow. And with Danny’s talent for getting value out of low picks, I don’t see finding the complementary pieces being a problem. With Pierce and KG, you have enough “impact” players for your run.

But if you’d rather win 30 games and wait around for Yi and Gerald Green to learn defense, by all means…

This rumor makes absolutely no sense. I wish people making them up would at least have them have some sense of being reasonable. I wouldn’t trade Al Jeff straight up for KG. Despite the numbers KG is a big who plays small and doesn’t like to take the big shot. Al Jeff is a true low post player with uncanny scoring ability and who is becoming a vocal leader on the team. He’s also not afraid to take the big shots. The secret is to get the ball to Al. PP did a great job of that when he came back after his foot injury (after Al had turned the corner during his absence). Also Perk and Al is a terrific front court combo because of their chemistry and abilities. Why mess with that.

55 games? LOL LOL. The KG Pierce tandem wins 40 games. That’s about 10 games more than the KG-Ricky Davis tandem won last year.

And what happens when KG opts out in a year? This is exactly the kind of desperation move I would expect Ainge to make.

Draft Conley
Trade Pierce
Trade Rondo

Alot of these rumors involve getting a high-priced player with the opportunity to opt out after a year. It may not be a bad idea to trade a contract for one of these guys, even if it’s just a rental if it would help us get in the habit of winning. This type of deal still wouldn’t affect giving Al Jeff his contract which won’t become effective until after next season.

draft conley, trade pierce, trade rondo?

so you’re trying to win 10 games instead of 40?

Brick you are right Peirce needs to go. Last year was the ideal year but if wait much longer he is not going to be worth anything. Based on what I have seen and a historical analysis of star players (basketballreference.com)I think he has two strong seasons left in him.

I also Agree with you on Conley. He may not be the next Chris Paul, but he is going to be a starting point guard, possibly an All Star.

I dont think we need to let Rondo go however, I love his game and the competition would make Conley better.

I forgot to mention I dont think Ainge is in a position to make these moves (which are best for the teams future). He is in survival mode, which is understandable this is a results oriented business in one of the toughest sports towns in America.

what’s conley ever done but have one decent year as a freshman playing with the best big man in the country? i am far from sold on that kid. i don’t think he’s going to be even close to chris paul

it would be tough letting go of jefferson, but for KG i would do it.

the deal breaker for me however, would be including the #5 pick in this deal and not getting minnesota’s 7 pick in return.

what’s conley ever done but have one decent year as a freshman playing with the best big man in the country? i am far from sold on that kid. i don’t think he’s going to be even close to chris paul

I respect your opinion. However it is very rare that you find a player capable of running a Title contending team his freshman year. Sure they had Oden, however their offense was not one faceted.

Just say “NO”, Danny.

ManUp said:

“so you’re trying to win 10 games instead of 40?”

No I’m trying to win 35 so that I can win 45 next year with young players instead of being stuck with a couple of overpaid 33 year-olds and a team that looks painfully like the one Ainge blew up in 2003.

monty said:
“what’s conley ever done but have one decent year as a freshman playing with the best big man in the country?”

I’d rephrase that as “what’s Greg Oden ever done but have one decent year as a freshman playing with the best point guard in the country?”
In fact, Oden hasn’t won a game without Conley since the 6th grade.

And what’s Durant, or Hawes, or Jeff Green, the latest alleged Ainge darling, ever done? All Jeff Green did was disappear in the biggest game of his life. But hey, he’s good friends with Jeremiah Rivers. It would be almost like bringing in another Rivers cousin or uncle. So what the hell.

Of course, what’s a player like Tiago splitter ever done, except win multiple European and Spanish league championships? But oh no, we wouldn’t be interested in him, because gee, he withdrew from the draft last year. So I guess that makes him old hat and no good at age 22.

You have to wait until after the draft to do this. You can’t do this unless you negotiate with Garnett first to sign an extension. If Garnett opts out this would be the worst deal in Celtics history.

Draft conley. Draft a big with #32. keep Green, Give them Jefferson and next years #1 unconditonal only and a future #1 protected only. That should be enough.

“Big Al and #5 could be leading this team deep into the playoffs for the next decade.”

1-22. Nuff said.

Conley played with the most dominant big man in the country and still couldn’t beat Florida. I am not buying Brickowskis man crush on the guy. Further the idea that a team of PP and KG would win 40 games is just stupid. KG is one of the top 20 players of all time and PP is five times the player that any one who has played with KG in the past was. KG has won 50 games and gotten to the second round in the West with no one half as good as Pierce to play with. I really with Brick would just calm down once in a while and stop staying outragous things that there is no reason to beleive are true. It is just as stupid to say PP an KG will win the title if put together as it is to say they will only win 40 games. Saying they will win 40 games is so dumb as to be beneath responding to.

Again, KG is a HOF top 20 all time player still in his prime. If you guyes are not willing to give up Al Jefferson for him, then I am expected all of you to predice 45 wins next year because Al must be one heck of an elite player.

Some of us are for letting Pierce go, mainly because of his age, and are in favor of getting KG who is about the same age. Doesn’t make sense to me. As for me, I want PP here in Boston. I also want the #5 pick. And in no way do I want to send Al Jeff somewhere else. He won’t go anyway because he’ll handcuff himself to Healthpoint. I also want to give GG one more year to prove himself and I want Rondo here, shot or no shot. I also think we should make roster space by letting Olowokandi and Allen Ray loose. I’m on the fence with Powe.

I dont think anyone is going to challenge you on the greatness of KG. However we are not trading this team’s future for a 1-2 year rental. I think that is the contested issue on this one.

This is what Sean Grande was pushing last nite on Celtic Stuff Live. For the money and the future, I’d just as soon have Jefferson, Green, and the #5. I could certainly see why the Wolves would do it. Jefferson, Green, Foye, #5, and #7 could be a terrific nucleus. Celtics would be bridesmaids for a couple years, then start over.

I’m sensing desperation here. Hope Ainge isn’t just swinging for the fences.

Good post JohnCK, and I can’t wait till this Tiago splitter guy is a bust.

JohnCK said:

“Conley played with the most dominant big man in the country and still couldn’t beat Florida.”

Well, Greg Oden played with the best point guard in the country and still couldn’t beat Florida. And they would even have had the opportunity to play Florida if Conley hadn’t won two previous games almost singlehandedly with Oden on the bench in foul trouble.

“I am not buying Brickowskis man crush on the guy.”

You will, when the Milwaukee Bucks make the playoffs next year and the Celtics remain mired in the lottery. This is even worse than passing on Tony Parker in 2001. The rest of the league won’t be able to stop laughing.

Further the idea that a team of PP and KG would win 40 games is just stupid."

Why? KG and Ricky Davis and a bunch of crap won 30 games. Pierce, KG and a bunch of crap (which is all they will have left after doing the deal) will win 40. Do you really think that Paul Pierce, by himself, makes KG 20 games better than KG was with Ricky Davis? LOL LOL.

“If you guyes are not willing to give up Al Jefferson for him, then I am expected all of you to predice 45 wins next year because Al must be one heck of an elite player.”

It’s about 3 years from now, not about next year.

“I’m sensing desperation here. Hope Ainge isn’t just swinging for the fences.”

He should be desperate and he should be swinging for the fences, this team is an utter disgrace on nearly every level. You have players admitting that the team was losing on purpose, you have potential young talents who don’t know where they have to be on either end of the court, you’ve got guys who’ve shown that when games don’t matter on the scoreboard they can put up solid numbers. In other words, you’ve got nottin.

Ainge should have been canned from this juggernaut about 15 months ago. In his tenure he’s brought in ONE solid rotation player on any team in the league, the rest of the guys are fillers on this crappy setup. They’re not dealing Ratliff unless its for a guy like KG, and Minnesota’s not dealing KG for anything less than Jefferson PLUS. Seriously, why would you if you were them deal your franchise player for the spare parts on the second worst team in the league?

It looks like Memphis will take Conley because Atlanta is now rumored to take Al Horford. So we can forget about Conley now, although if he falls he would be an excellent choice. You could even keep Rondo as a back-up.

The more I think about this, it could be an awesome trade as long as we keep #5. We need an awesome starting 5. Say Horford and Conley go 3 and 4. Draft Corey Brewer. Then after July 1st try to negotiate an extension with Garnett. Trade Green and Jefferson and next years #1. Here is your starting 5.

Rondo, Corey Brewer, Pierce, Garnett, Perkins,
Bench-Delonte, Allen, Gomes, #32, Wally

This would be a great team and could easily get to the finals. Best team in the conference

Pierce and Telfair to Atlanta for their 3rd and 11th pick!

1. - Horford
2. - Brewer
3. - Thornton or Jeff Green

Don is the only one making any sense on this board. You only go young if you have a SPECIAL young guy. Al is good, maybe an all-star one day – not special. By contrast, KG is a SPECIAL player. At this pace, he will go down as one of the all-time greats to never win a championship, right next to Charles Barkley and Karl Malone. He has never played with anyone as talented as Paul Pierce. (The comparison of PP to Ricky Davis is laughable). At WORST you sell out the building every night for the next 3-4 years (however long you extend him for) while competing for the Eastern Conference championship every year. At best, you catch fire at the right time and possibly win the title (a la the HEAT). PP is no Dwayne Wade, but KG is still playing at a much higher level than Shaq is able to muster. It is worth a shot.

The alternative is to add pieces to this team and wait another 5-6 years before you seriously contend. By then PP would definitely be all done. Brick’s alternative of trading PP now makes some sense, but that would still have you waiting 6-7 years to see the fruits since you’re not going to get equal value. With the KG trade, at least you’d give yourself a serious chance to win in the next 4 years. Then, if it doesn’t pan out, you wipe PP and KG off your books and start over at that time with a team that would have at least been challenging for the previous 4 years as opposed to spinning its wheels waiting for young guys to develop.

well first of all, there is no way Danny is doing this. Now if you told me we were getting the Mn pick back, that would be different. Then it makes it Al and GG and a little more for KG. I could see DA doing this. We probably thenm get Green or Noah or Wright…one of those will be there. So then we start over with Perk KG, PP, TA(he will make it back) and Rondo. Rookie Green, Gomes, Wally, West off the bench. Still have the 32nd pick, and Powe and scal to fill out a top 12. THAT team wins 50 games and is nasty as heck in the playoffs(BIG D from Perk, KG, TA, Rondo, Rookie Green). I would do it, sorry, and I think DA would too. But the proposed trade will not fly, no way, anmd if it happens it will look more like what I just suggested

KG and Pierce can get you to the finals. Al and Pierce will get you knocked out the first round of the playoffs. I love Al but if you want the best chance of getting a title you have to give him up for KG. I would try to avoid putting the #5 out there for KG perhaps swap the pick. Im sorry but when I think short term and positioning KG for Al is the best possible deal. We will have 2 veterans and a great inside out game. Some people here are very unrealistic thinking we could get KG without giving up Al.

It’s a huge gambel and you are giving up potential value. Who honestly has the best chance of getting us to the EC finals next season Al or KG? On top of all this I think we could work out a deal where we could get Marion or Lewis as well.

we are so crap that we need to either go all out for a championship or youth.

I dont think we have enough value on the team to trade to get enough good experienced players to seriously contend. But lets just entertain the idea…

say you trade AJ ratliff #5 for KG
you still need to find a good point guard.. and RR isnt good enough. he has to be good enough NOW.
say you trade him and next years pick and GG for bibby or someone like that is that enough?

PP, KG, bibby and then what? its not enough.

look at the spurs. they have 5 TOP level players. duncan, parker, ginobili, finley and bowen. You dont win much without great 5 players in a variety of positions. KG PP isnt enough. add Kidd and maybe…

i agree with brickowski. we got to make the tough decision.. trade pierce for some potential youth, picks, and proven youth. We need to face reality, we aint winning anything for the next 2 years so lets not waste PP in Boston and lets build us a good future team (ala chicago) around AJ.

“i agree with brickowski. we got to make the tough decision.. trade pierce for some potential youth, picks, and proven youth.”

Of course, what brickowski is advocating is that we follow the path of the Chicago Bulls. They were rebuilding around Elton Brand when they decided to trash that because they were SOOOOOOO sure that Curry and Chandler would lead them to a title. After several more years of winning 20something games a year, they finally “breakthrough” as a poor man’s version of the Detroit Pistons. Except…

A. They don’t have anyone as good as Rasheed Wallace.
B. They don’t have anyone as good as Chauncey Billups.
C. They don’t have anyone as good as Elton Brand.
D. They don’t have anyone as good as Paul Pierce.

It’s silly to say that basically getting rid of Pierce so you can take a complete crap shoot that some future draft picks will be better than him is more likely to lead to a title than keeping Pierce.

Mike

Trading Pierce isn’t a crap shoot. It’s a question of simple math. When Jefferson is 27 and just entering his prime (and the same goes for Rondo, for those you who think he’s the franchise pg), Pierce will be 35 and his career will be just about over.

They can trade the best young players to win 45 games now, and forget about the future. Or, they can trade Pierce and rebuild the right way—as they should have done in 2003-2004.

The real crap shoot is trading away your future to bring in a veteran.

The Bulls are a bad example. They were lousy because the young players they brought in during the first phase of their rebuilding were knuckleheads: Curry, Marcus Fizer, Eddie Robinson, Jamaal Crawford, etc. They didn’t start to become respectable until the “second phase,” when they drafted Hinrich and Deng.

And frankly, the jury is still out on Tyson Chandler. In fact, in view of this year’s Bulls playoff loss and Chandler’s excellent play with the Hornets, the Bulls may have been better off by resigning Chandler instead of going after Ben Wallace in free agency.

“Trading Pierce isn’t a crap shoot. It’s a question of simple math. When Jefferson is 27 and just entering his prime (and the same goes for Rondo, for those you who think he’s the franchise pg), Pierce will be 35 and his career will be just about over.”

And why wouldn’t the Celts have just as good a chance to win a title between now and when Al is 27 and Pierce 35, as they would if you trade away Pierce and HOPE that Conley and whatever future picks are good enough to win a title 5 to 8 years from now?

As I said, you want to trade away Pierce and HOPE that some future draft picks will be as good as Pierce. It’s not an invalid idea, but to suggest that it’s a better and more certain path to a title than keeping Pierce is stupid.

Ainge should definitely take Conley is he’s there at #5, but that different from the proposal that trading away your best player (and not getting top dollar for him) leads to you being a better team down the road. When is the last time a time traded away their best player so they can rebuild with high draft picks and that got them a title?

Mike

Wow. I’ve gotta say, that’s a whole lot to give up in exchange for Garnett.

Some reasons why you’d do this trade:
Paul Pierce is in his prime now (30 when the season starts) – and he’s only got a finite # of years left as an elite wing. Gotta take advantage of this by pairing him with an elite bigman (is Jefferson already the guy?).
Pair Wally back up w/ Garnett. They had their best years together.
Garnett is a once in a generation player – and he’s still got a few years left as an elite player. Use ’em now!
If you think Kendrick Perkins, Ryan Gomes, and Delonte West provide enough depth…

Some reasons why you (as the Celtics) wouldn’t do the trade:
Giving up too much – Maybe Jefferson or Green, but not both.
Al Jefferson could develop into a 20/10 player for the next decade. He’s not as versatile as Garnett, but he’s a pure, beefy, big man, capable of playing center.
Gerald Green put up big numbers when given big minutes – he could become a star – but perhaps not while Pierce is around. He showed some T-Mac type of potential.

From Minnesota’s perspective, they lose the face of their franchise, but they’d gain an unbelievable amount of talent and quality depth. I think Jefferson by himself provides a lot of what Minnesota is missing – they might even be a better team if you swap Garnett/Jefferson straight-up.

Come on, people! With that, Danny Ainge could do the impossible: make kevin McHalelook like a great GM.

Then, he could send PP and 5 future first rounders to Indiana for Jamaal Tinsley to make Pacers fans forget what a horrible GM Bird has been.

Maybe he’s on a mission to help out his former teammates whose reputations as players have been tarnished by crappy careers in the front office.

Did someone actually say that Ainge wasn’t dumb enough to make this deal? The same guy who traded FOR Vin Baker and gave up the rookie of the year for Sebastian Telfair actually deserves any credit for intelligence?

I almost wish this trade would go down (and it certainly might if Wallace and Gaston resume control), so that I could put the agonies of rooting for this team behind me forever.

ken37 said:
  Did someone actually say that Ainge wasn’t dumb enough to make this deal? The same guy who traded FOR Vin Baker and gave up the rookie of the year for Sebastian Telfair actually deserves any credit for intelligence?

It was Wallace not Ainge who traded for Wino Baker, ken.

DA might make bad trades, but not even Isiah Thomas would pay that for a 31 year old KG. There is no way that the C’s would trade Al Jefferson. Absolutely no way.

BTW, Conley is not a guy the C’s should draft. He’s a good player, but there are more talented big men we could use. Plus, as a Rondo hater pre-draft last year, we look to be set at PG for years to come. If anything, and he’s available at #5, they should look to move the pick, or swap with the Bucks for a sweetner.

I’m more along the trade Pierce line, than the trade to placate Pierce one. Rebuild fellas. I only add if it means keeping #5. If we need to trade #5 for one of the aging players on the market, no thanks.

Simmer down, I found out there is no truth to the rumor that KG will be coming to Boston. First of all Wyc and company will not allow such a trade to happen from what I heard because of all the players changing hands from Boston to Minnesota. It’s only in the beginning stages where they mentioned what it would take. Doesn’t mean that Danny will bite.

Also there are some other deals out there that we haven’t heard of being talked about as well.

As of now Boston is standing pat and not looking in making a major move to trade the pick away. Again after what happened last year with Telfair, Management is not eager to pull a trigger for the sake of making a trade.

They know they are in the driverâ€â"¢s seat with Ratliffâ€â"¢s contract and Wally’s the year next and they don’t want to straddle themselves with another.

There willing to let the kids grow and hopefully add through free agency once Ratliffâ€â"¢s contract does expire.

Also be patient, this team will do alright come draft night. Apparently Ainge is high on Spencer Hawes and Jeff Green.

Paul also will not be traded, they will not accommodate him unless it gets to the point where he is being a distraction to the team, and I don’t see it happening.

KG is probably top 5 ever at PF. For those who say we have a younger version in AJ, you are placing a lot hope on AJ’s progression, because he is not even close right now. Ainge would need to be able to do two more things before he could do this deal:

1. Figure out some way to ensure the #32 turns into a good C – S. Williams or M. Gasol for example
2. Ensure that he could resign KG.

Perkins / Williams
KG / Powe
PP / Gomes
Allen / Wally
Rondo / West

That would be a pretty good team, I still think the trade would have to be altered though, AJ and #5 is too high a price in terms of win now. For example I’d rather do Perk instead of AJ and add in a future first. Or swap picks this year and add in a future first, etc.

Keep trying to get 1 or 2 of the solid players mentioned in rumors for the #5, Theo, Wally, Allen, Telfair, GG and future #1s…if KG is one of those guys fine but otherwise continue to go after Marion, Lewis, JJ…then sign Antonio Mc for a couple years at the MLE.

My ideal (one that is somewhat attainable) roster for next year (year 5 of Ainge’s promise to have a contending team on the court) is:

Rondo/favet Pierce/West Lewis/Gomes Marion/McDyess Jefferson/Perkins

Those 10 make us a contending team.

If you want to contend you make this deal! It’s a good deal if you don’t want to spend the next 10 years with even more mediocrity. I love Al but this is the position you want to be in as a GM the opportunity to pull the trigger on a deal that could put your team over. Look how weak the East is, Detroit is cooked, Chicago does not have a go to guy and San Antonio just wrote the book “how to beat Cleveland”. Make this deal we will be an Elite Eastern Conferance team for 3 years or so.

It’s near sighted we are definatly giving up quality talent with tremendous “upside” but you have to role the dice sometime. You have to be realistic and realize we cannot get something for nothing. People think we could give up Bassy, Ratliff and Vin Bakers contract and presto we get KG, Kobe or a 27 year old Michael Jordan.. It doesnt work that way. Yes history shows lobsided deals but realistically you have to give up something. Look at the Sox who gave up Hanley Ramirez for Josh Beckett. Honestly I would do that deal all over again, I would have loved to keep Ramirez but hey you need to give a little to get a little.

I hope you have credible info, Aincient Red, because of they make this deal they are out of their minds.I would literally puke. As stated by many, I would not trade Al for Garnett sraight up!31 YRS. OF AGE AND A MILLION MINUTES ON HIS LEGS, KG has nothing to add to PP that would get us even an Eastern Championship. And I mean that.Really! Green, the 5, and Jefferson for KG! And Me and another several thousands will be looking for Ainge’s head. Insane, totally insane!

Everyone believes Al is on the verge of becoming a dominant low post player after 3 years. Nobody is going to trade him. Period. This idea is Chad Fords wet dream.

And unless Lakers present a sweet deal for Pierce to appease Kobe, or we take back a fat contract on an inferior player, like Bibby, Zach Randolph or Kirlienko, Pierce will be here too. I’m pretty mixed on that. I think we could really improve ourselves a lot by moving him. We could be a better without PP and Wally together, and Wally’s probably not going anywhere this year.

I actually ike the trade in the sense that we will be watching and actually rooting for your…Boston and Minnesota Celics.. ;)….Imagine a line up of former C’s in the Wolves roster..Blount,Davis,Jefferson,Green,James,Theo, the 5th pick,Bassy…wow…GET IT DONE.. ;D

Minnesota is terrible. Boston is Terrible..
 KG and PP wont win
 PP and AL wont win
KG will never agree to go to boston. KG WANTS TO WIN and BOSTON isnt going to win.
Ainge and Mchale should both quit because they are terrible GM’s
Plus if the trade would Happen. AL would have to be involved because he is your 2nd best player other then PP. If you want a perennial all star a 20ppg 10rpg guy you have to give something up.. KG does it in the WEST night in and night out. That says alot compared to playing in the EAST.

COmpare KG and Duncan. KG has much better Stats but Duncan has a GM who knows how to build a franchise.
The rap on KG is that he doesnt hit the big shot and he isnt good enough to carry his team to the playoffs.
If cassell and sprewell were 5 years younger when we got them we would probably have a championship.
take ginobilli and parker off of the spurs and duncan is as pathetic as KG.

to the guy who said that a team of KG and Pierce would have a second round ceiling. are you kidding? a one man show came out of the east this year and you don’t think a team with two of the leagues top 10 players would dominate the east? I think that trade would make the C’s instant contenders but for how long? I’m still a little hesitant to give up Al, Gerald, and the number 5 pick.

A team of Garnett, Pierce and no one else (because that is who we would be left with, not to mention having our salary cap situation absolutely killed) is at best, absolute best, a team that gets throttled in the NBA finals by whoever comes out of the West. And that happens for maybe two years. I can’t believe that Danny would be this dumb or that the franchise would feel so beholden to Paul Pierce that they would make this trade to appease him. This would be the NBA version of the Hershel Walker trade. Al Jefferson has rare talents in the post and he is 21 years old. You don’t trade that, the #5 pick in a deep draft, and a scorer with serious potential for a 3 year shot at getting embarrassed each June. That is not how you build a team.

I do not think Minny comes out bad in this trade with out Jefferson involved. They would have a solid group of young players mixed in with some vets. They would have a large amount of cap space in a year, to go after an all-star.
I say just give them there pick back in the trade instead of Jefferson.

This is what there lineup would look like:
PG – Foye / Hudson / Telfair
SG – Davis / /McCants / G. Green / Jaric
SF – Pick # 7 Brewer or Green / Howard / Hassell / Smith /
PF – Pick #5 Wright, Noah or Yi /
C- Blount / Ratliff /Madsen

That team is alot better, cheaper and younger then last years.

Our team would be nasty:

PG – Rondo / West
SG – Wally / Allen / Ray
SF – Pierce / Pick # 32 Dudley /Gomes
PF – Garnett / Powe / Pinkney
C – Jefferson / Perkins

Wally would get so many open 3’s when jefferson and garnett get double teamed.
We could get lucky if Dudley is there at 32, prob. not though. Koponen or Jordan could possible be in our grasp here to back up or compete for PG job. Maybe a sleeper in Strawberry??

I never said it was a good trade but theres no reason to think that a team with pierce and garnett wouldnt dominate the east