Seattle Rumor

Please God, no! Some combination of #5 for Robert Swift would make the Telfair trazde only the second worst in franchise history. There’s better talent available at #5 than any big man Seattle has. STOP! Those who don’t know history are doomed to repeat it.

please tell me that rashard lewis is considered a big man…. please please please please tell me thats what they’re talking about

a stud won’t happen eg-KG,JO etc…but i can see a solid vet and a lower pick…7-12 maybe…teams want a power forward and 5 will have’m…a vet Brewer?or Conley?Thornton???

Doesn’t Swift have a torn ACL? Sounds like Ainge’s man to me, another reclamation project.

I am not Ainge’s biggest fan, but even he realizes how valuable the #5 is this year (in comparison to other drafts). I guess I could deal with Rashard, but I might hold out to see if we can get someone better. Seattle has sucked for a while with Ray Allen- I don’t see how Rashard makes us much better….

So Ainge talks about the need to shore up the Celtics defense and then wants to bring in Rashard Lewis, who plays zero defense? That’s a joke.

Once again, I’ve completely lost confidence in this management. They will make a desperation move for marketing purposes and there will be no real improvement in the team.

AL can play 5,Lewis can play 4 but Lewis is NOT a post defender or rebounder…we’d need to score 115 a nite…lol…but he’s Karl Malone compared to Scal,Powe,Perk ,Gomes etc…the guy can play

It can’t be Lewis I think because free agency doesn’t start until after the draft. I can’t remember a sign and trade deal that ever occurred during a draft. The big man thus must be Swift, Collison, Sene, or Petro. This is a scary thought

when did Danny mention Lewis??? Bulpett thinks it fits $$$wise and we talk about it…if you get Lewis you can trade Pierce for a bunch of defenders…many moves to come but paying off Doc to tank and dumping Brown let’s you know that Danny is just starting…he loves Rondo,fell into AL,kept PP and now has #5…

As Motown rightly points out, Lewis while not perfect would be a mad upgrade over what the Celtics have. Also, Swift was playing pretty well two years ago before he got hurt. He still has a lot of potential. If you could get Swift as a throw in and make them take Wally’s contract, I would be all for it.

If Ainge wanted to do Szczerbiak and #5 for Collison, Damien Wilkins Robert Swift and Seattle’s 2009 first I could live with that. Collison knows how to play and Wilkins can defend. As for Swift, acquiring him will put an end to Ainge’s alleged Swift fixation just as acquiring Telfair put an end to his Telfair fixation.

Lewis is overrated and doesn’t give you that much more than Szczerbiak gives you— plus Lewis will insist on a fat long-term deal in the sign and trade (remember, he opted out). Why relinquish the 5th pick for a mild upgrade over Wally and a huge additional financial burden?

Desperation move. Terrible.

Would rather have Lewis here over Robert Swift anyday. IF we trade #5 for Swift, that will be IMO worse than last year’s trade for Telfair.

Too true, orrzor & Brick, too true…

It didn’t take long for the complaining to begin. Without even knowing the particulars , DA is getting bashed. Come on, there is nothing wrong with voicing an opinion but let’s be fair. How can you criticize a deal without even knowing the details of the players involved.

I have no doubt that DA could trade Scals for Le Bron even up and there would be a segment that would criticize him.

Criticize all you want, but geez, base it on facts not speculation.

I think Celtics ownership would not allow Danny Ainge to trade the #5 pick for Robert Swift (assuming that is the trade that Bulpett was implying, which may not be the case). This team can’t afford any more Brian Scalabrine-type signings and lottery picks for Sebastian Telfairs-type trades. Also, considering how much money and time and energy this ownership group has put into the franchise, it wouldn’t surprise me if they become a little bit more “involved” with personnel matters (which may not necessarily be a good thing, but I could understand it from their perspective).

Rasard Lewis is a huge upgrade over Wally. Come on Brick, it is okay criticize but you take venom agains the organization so far it effects your judgement. Lewis is two years younger than Wally. Wally has arthitic knees and will probably never be the same player he was when he was at his best, a 19 ppg scorer. Lewis scored 22 ppg last year. He is six foot ten and can play three positions on the flooe. He doesnt’ play defense but neither does Wally. Stop it Brick. You might like the deal but don’t try to tell me Lewis is not a huge upgrade over Wally.

DAS,

If the Celtics traded for LaBron all we would hear on here is how LaBron doesn’t play defense and won’t take a big shot and how the Celtics would be better off with KG and Jermaine O’Neil.

Lewis will want a $20M/yr contract. I don’t think the Celts will do that. And he really doesn’t fit anyway. He’s not a 4, and our D would be laughable with Lewis and Pierce at 2 & 3.

Brick’s scenario makes a lot more sense, though it may put PP into a funk.

If Lewis wants a 20 million a year contract then he can pound sand. He will never get that. He is worth about a Wally type contract $14 million a year or so. Perhaps he can get better somewhere else, in which case the Celtics should wish him luck.

Both John CK & Brick are really correct. Lewis is an upgrade over Wally but I don’t see Lewis making any all-defensive teams and what has Seattle ever really won? One winning season a couple of seasons ago. Bulpett is just throwing out hypotheticals and everyone is alreading assuming Ainge sucks for making the deal. Come back in from the ledge people!

Whoops! I meant already assuming……yikes!!

Collison would be a great fit here. He is an active body, a hustling defender, and can play both post positions.

lewis is an improvement over wally right now and will probably be better for the next 4-6 years. but my question, assuming this deal has ANY validity, is this… is that level of improvement over wally worth the improvement b. wright, yi, horford, or brewer would bring to the team?

1. for a Seattle big man? Seattle is TERRIBLE! Lewis has to be the big man they speak of. Wilcox, Collison, Petro, Swift, etc…are no way near value for #5. We dumped our pick last year for salary, so this year we need to add talent. I’m not even certain I like trading #5 for a Free Agent like Lewis. Seems too steep a price. I’d almost prefer drafting the BPA, and maybe moving Pierce and building like Chicago did.

Why is a 6-10 one-dimensional player like Lewis worth 14M per year? He plays no defense…(So sadly, he’d fit right into Doc’s “defense”.) No question whatsoever we could get a much better all-around player at 5….and a lot cheaper.

If we’re going to get a veteran, we should get one accustommed to winning.

dont see why seattle needs #5 pick?
adding durant to the rest of their young roster should be enough…

anyway, seattle’s best big man is wilcox, who rebounds and plays defense. 2 things celts are in desperate need of.

I would think any deal with Seattle would focus on Collison. Gerald Green would fit in Seattle as an understudy to Ray Allen and would be and attractive Sidekick to Durant in any city they move to. They have a free pass this year, and Wally has only 2 years left, so he’s getting reasonably valuable in trade talks.

Well a ton of these rumors are going to crop up between now and the 29th.

1. Oden has made Zach Randolph superfluous in Portland, because their front line of the future is Oden and Aldridge, and the Blazers already have decent and cheaper backups at the 5 and 4 in Pyzybilla and Outlaw. There will be a new Zach Randolph rumor every day. My guess is that he’ll go to Chicago for a resigned Nocioni and filler.

If Seattle drafts Durant they have no need for Rashard Lewis, who has opted out of his deal, in part because he saw the handwriting on the wall. Between Durant and Ray Allen he’d never touch the ball. There will be a zillion rumors involving Lewis, most of which probably will emanate from his agent. I have no idea what team would want Lewis.

3. Marcus Camby is a goner in Denver. They are already taking about trading him straight up for Kwame Brown. Why the Celtics don’t offer Ratliff is beyond me. I’d much rather have Camby than the outrageously expensive Rashard Lewis. Sure Camby is older than Lewis, but isn’t the stated goal to try to win a few games before Pierce rides off into the sunset?

4. Another rumor is that if the Celtics get #5 it will be traded along with Ratliff to Atlanta for Joe Johnson and #11. Apparently the Hawks are starting to realize that they vastly overpaid for Johnson, and the franchise is deep in the red. Atlanta would get another big man with #3 and take Mike Conley with #5. Meanwhile, Ainge would have a good shot at Al Thornton with #11. Why Ainge would want a player like Al Thornton is beyond me given the currrent state of the Celtics’ roster.

5. The Suns will do something. Marion or Diaw is probably a goner to any team willing to also take Marcus Banks.

6. I predict that Jermaine O’Neal will be a Laker by June 30th.

What the Cetlics need to do is move Pierce for someone like Kirilenko or Tayshaun Prince, plus another first round pick this year, and then use #5 on a player like Brewer, Splitter or (if he’s available) Conley.

But instead we will see a band aid move (Rashard Lewis), a pure marketing play (Yi Jianlian) or an outright desperation move (trading Jefferson and and least two additional good young players for KG).

It’s sad, really.

I also would trade for Camby right now.

If the goal is to make the palyoffs then Camby gives Celts best odds not Rashard Lewis plus the Celts get to keep the 5th pick and can draft Brewer. With those two additions plus Rondo the Celts would be on their way to becoming a decent defensive team.

The idea of getting Kirilenko appeals to me. He’s vastly overpaid, but aren’t they all. He can play, and he’s a good defender. If we could get him for Wally and Gerald Green, I’d be all over it, and even for Pierce, although we should at least get the 26 pick also, and maybe another. Either way, we could draft Brewer, and , with Rondo and TAllen, if he makes it back, would have the makings of a good running defensive team. Fun to watch.

   I can’t imagine the Lakers trading Odom and Bynum for JO’Neal. Thats almost negative improvement. But they have no other way to get him.

Before ripping into Ainge, you might want to consider that those trade details may be coming from Seattle’s direction. The Celts wouldn’t need to throw in a contract to get Swift, and I really doubt Ainge is a huge fan of Lewis. That proposal may be more of Seattle’s speculation on what they think they can get for Lewis. Remember, Pierce is making big money for several more years and Al is going to get a massive contract. Trading for another big deal would severely limit Ainge’s options in the future. I can’t see him tieing his hands like that.

Mike

Ainge doesn’t have much flexibility in FA either way. The real question is “whether or not” Wyc is willing to pay the luxury tax for one year. My guess is no, but we will find out with how they deal with a potential Theo Ratliff deal. Personally, when I read the article … my first thought was Theo Ratliff, Gerald Green, and the #5 pick for Rashard Lewis and Robert Swift. Now with the comments about the FA period … I wouldn’t be surprised to the deal be Wally Szczerbiak, Sebastian Telfair, and the #5 pick for Ray Allen and Robert Swift. I could see both sides wanting to look at a deal in that vain.

This is why not getting the one or two pick was so dangerous. If we do another Telfair-like deal, how many of us are going to be able to continue to emotionally invest so deeply in this team? It’s like watching a loved one self destruct themself, and there’s not a thing anyone of us can do about it.

Actually the trade doesn’t involve the #5 pick. Its D West/Scal for Wilkins and Petro. Seattle might be interested in Jeff Green.

Sorry to go off topic here but does anyone know if the pre-draft camp measurements have been posted anywhere? NBAdraft.net notes that Yi pulled a no show which is just another reason I suspect he’s a 23 year old project who doesn’t have the potential that most “experts” claim. Also apparently B. Wright cannot hit a 12 footer if his life depended on it. But I was hoping to find out what people like Horford (6’8" to 6’10") and Green (6’7" to 6’9") actually measured out at.

Lewis avg. 40 min. 22 pts 6.6 reb and less than 1 blk last year.

Brickowski said:

4. Another rumor is that if the Celtics get #5 it will be traded along with Ratliff to Atlanta for Joe Johnson and #11. Apparently the Hawks are starting to realize that they vastly overpaid for Johnson, and the franchise is deep in the red. Atlanta would get another big man with #3 and take Mike Conley with #5. Meanwhile, Ainge would have a good shot at Al Thornton with #11. Why Ainge would want a player like Al Thornton is beyond me given the currrent state of the Celtics’ roster.

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Where did you hear this rumor? I like that idea quite a bit!

Brick; as regards Al Thornton as the possible Celtic’s choice, the decision, if made, would be based purely on talent and not on the basis of roster balance or duplication of talent at the same position. His possible inclusion could free up Wally or Pierce for a possible trade, depending upon how the trading chips fall. Thornton’s offensive skills and freaky athleticism, while somewhat raw by NBA standards, compare favorably with Durant’s and he’s more physical than Durant suggesting that he could even be effective at PF..

Adding KG would not be desperation. The idea is to ultimately win games, I assume and try to compete for a title (don’t give me “but with KG & Paul we only get to the 2nd round”). This forum is all about everyone’s opinions. That’s what’s great about it. We all want to see the C’s win #17 eventually, maybe they will, maybe not. It’s only opinion which way is the best way (youth or vets). I can’t say for sure that the best way isn’t to go with pairing say a Brandon Wright with Al and trading Paul. Just as it could be that getting KG may take them as far as they could go (as opposed to youth). I know for sure that trying for KG is not desperation in my book. You’re trying for winning now as opposed to more rebuilding with youth with no guarantee that the youth gets you any further along ultimately. I think I might try to win now and worry about 5 years from now in 5 years. I don’t understand why KG is desperation and yet getting Marcus Camby is a good move.

Get Camby now. It fills a team need to perfection. What is there to think about?

I agree, adding Camby would be great.

Rashard Lewis otoh would not be a wise decision. He will demand too much in salary and he is just not that great of a player. He does not make anyone around him better and is a liability on defense. He scores a bunch but that is not enough when you are demading 12 million/year.

This rumored deal is giving me deja vu, and not just because the immortal Robert Swift may be involved. It reminds me of the fact that Ainge screwed up our cap situation and for the second year in a row, we might be giving up superior talent in the draft to get rid of a contract that runs multiple seasons.

Everyone seems so desperate to get rid of Wally just like they were Raef last year and look where that got us. Celts fans need to stop celebrating the owners trying to save money and trading the two lowest draft picks we’ve had in years in back-to-back years. I certainly didn’t endure a horrible, miserable season just for Oden and Durant only. Now they’re going to unload another pick to get rid of salary and nobody’s outraged?!?

If this ends up happening it might really be the last straw for me. All the fans who are impatient and want the win now move at any cost are enabling this management to do something rash.

Brickowski said:
 Another rumor is that if the Celtics get #5 it will be traded along with Ratliff to Atlanta for Joe Johnson and #11. Apparently the Hawks are starting to realize that they vastly overpaid for Johnson, and the franchise is deep in the red. Atlanta would get another big man with #3 and take Mike Conley with #5. Meanwhile, Ainge would have a good shot at Al Thornton with #11. Why Ainge would want a player like Al Thornton is beyond me given the currrent state of the Celtics’ roster.

If that’s true, why not Splitter at #11.

Jeff said:

“Brick, where did you pick up that Joe Johnson rumor? thanks”

 http://www.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?t=668079

Well, Little D, I would certainly take Splitter at #11 if he’s there. What’s so valuable about the 23 year-old Thornton if you are also getting Joe Johnson. How many swing players does noe roster need?

But that would be contingent on Splitter negotiating a buyout. The Celtics are probably too lazy to work with Splitter’s agent to effectuate something like that. After all, Ainge might be losing his #2 and #3 guys to Memphis, and he doesn’t have the bandwitdth. Plus it’s golf season.

Oh well … a message board rumor has “credence”? Could you see Atlanta doing that? I’d have a hard time believing Atlanta would trade Joe Johnson and the #11 for Theo Ratliff and the #5.

I’m getting queasy just thinking of another trade from Danny. But here I am on this board after last season (OK, the last 20 seasons) and the ping pong balls. I’m starting to think there is something compelling—like rubbernecking an accident or having been a Red Sox fan before 2004—that makes every mis-step draw us in the more.

Trading the #5 for Joe Johnson, and their #11 isn’t the worst idea I have heard. The Celtics could, conceivably, then turn around and deal Pierce to Minny, and get their #7. You could still get Corey Brewer AND get Joe Johnson AND clear some salary. How about this for a starting lineup next season:

PG – Rondo
SG – Joe Johnson
SF – Corey Brewer or Julian Wright or Jeff Green
PF – Al Thornton or Al Jefferson
C – Al Jefferson or Tiago Splitter or Spencer Hawes

Not too shabby if you ask me. Johnson makes a lot less money than Pierce and is plenty younger. I don’t see them making the move on their end, but if they did I would be happy. As long as the contracts coming back in the Pierce deal are two years, or less in duration, we are looking pretty good. I wouldn’t mind seeing Mike James coming back in a deal with Minny. Just a thought, but such a secnario would be nice to see. Get two good players in the draft and get Joe Johnson, and help out our financial situation? Sign me up for that.

I think another player would have to go to Atlanta along with Theo— probably Tony Allen or Ryan Gomes.

Well, the poster claims to have inside information. Who knows?

I like Wilcox more than Rashard Lewis and I think I like him even more than Camby. Put Wilcox at the four spot and Al at the five. Wilcox would reek some havock in the east. Camby is intersting but I fear his history with injuries see World, Wally. I would love to see us get AK-47 more than anyone. KG just seems out of reach.

I also think every desparate mismanaged team with obssessive die hard fans are talking about all these guys too, see Knicks, New York.

The Atlanta thing is interesting, but I would try and get a big or a point guard….I doubt Noah would drop that far, but my guess is somebody will. What do people think about Acie Law. I kind of feel like he needs the ball to score, but he is quick and can get into the lane. Maybe Jarvis Crittenton.

People are upset about this?

Wow. Compare Pierce’s stats from last year to Rashard’s stats. Yeah…more rebounds, steals, blocks, better FG, as good 3pt %, much better FT oh yeah, and he’s 6’10 (as big as Durant). This kid is the premier pull up 15 foot shooter in the NBA. With Rondo this kid will hit these shots like a layup drill. If he doesn’t have a quick 15 footer, kick it back to Pierce trailing, no shot, look into AL for the shot with Pierce and Lewis crashing…and Rondo…3 of the better rebounders at their position in the league.

Pierce Al and this kid would tear up the East. Who does Seattle have??? Injured Allen…anything else? Anything?? No. Pierce is better than Allen and they have nowhere near anything like Al. Put Lewis on this team and that’s an incredible start to the Year 5 do or die plan.

This basically for the #5 pick?

Come on now.

I like this so much I finally registered for the new Blog.

Hoops!

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Year 5 Do or A die plan[/u][u]

This won’t include Green, Wally, West or Gomes. How great are these guys at knocking down outside shots? Rondo is so fast and good that he’ll get these guys open shots all day. If he doesn’t drive he passes into Jefferson, who will be the premier offensive post player in the NBA very soon. Also, as Rondo showed at the end of the season if guys don’t play off the man they’re guarding he’ll go all the way to the hoop and finish…in the last 10 games Rondo hit 55% on his FGs.

It’s year 5 player and 8 months ago no one thought we’d have a shot at 1 or 2 now we have a shot at guys like Lewis? Joe Johnson…?

We’re turning a corner. Hang on.

Bullpett is such a moron. He should be prohibited from doing draft coverage. Last week, he referred to the draft as being one of the “weaker” drafts in recent years. Really? Then why is EVERYBODY ELSE saying it could be the DEEPEST draft ever? Where does he get his information? And then he says the Sonics would like to draft a “much-needed” PG in Conley (if they get the Celtics #5 pick). Meanwhile they have Ridnour AND Earl Watson and the Hawks would be moronic to not draft Conley at 3 in the first place! By the way, if the Hawks draft Brandan Wright at #3, it would be the funniest thing in the NBA since Isiah traded for Steve Francis.

i love rumors. love danny. but i must admit i’m scared of his trades now. i have’nt lost all faith but he does scare me.

im in 100% agreeance. i have zero faith in his abilities to pull a successful trade off.

Trading the #5 pick to Seattle would only ensure more years of Celtic mediocrity (can’t spell but you get the picture). :)

IMO Danny is “loco in the cabeza” if he trades the #5 for anybody on Seattle’s roster and does not grab B. Wright if he is available.

The only trade that makes any sense is PP for draft picks, younger up coming players and let the guys grow together. Quick fixs have set us back enough already.
Sure, it wont get us there next year, but letting Danny make trades is killing this team.

I’m tired of the “trade for youth” and we will be better sentiment. The reason we have sucked in the Ainge era is the young players he has entitled major minutes to have NOT been good enough. Don’t see how adding more is going to change this scenario. We’ve basically played West, Telfair, Rondo, Allen, West, Green, Gomes, Perkins, and Banks a great deal of the time. You have 8 to 9 players in your rotation that are glorified rookies and we took the short way “out”. OK.

Damn. I was hoping for Sene.

I would love to see Camby in Green. He would return to his original stomping grounds here in MA and he would give us a lineup of Camby/Big Al/Pierce/Allen/Rondo and he has a few good years left. If we can get him for Ratliff, one young guy, and #32 we should do it. Then we would still have options open with the 5th pick

I would be aok with Camby provided the 5 pick resulted in an offensive force being traded for..

hmm interesting times ahead.. Too bad Colangelo isnt our GM.

This has probably been said 10 times already but I just want to write down myself.

Ratliff for Camby
Wally/G.Green for Kirlenko

1. Corey Brewer

Add Rondo in there and you have a defensive nightmare.

Jefferson and peirce provide the offense.

P.S. Danny Feel free to call me at home I am available to take Chris Wallace’s position at your earliest convience.

camby is old and has a long history of injuries and could be next year’s theo. rashard is a bigger wally which would be ok if we did not have wally . we need rebounds, defense, preferably a center. larry would never let foster go but i would talk about him and he would pair up nicely with perk.