It Just Won't Die

Seems like this is pure speculation. His sources are very general and I dont think Garnett’s camp can be any more clear than what they have put out to the media on this trade.

Let it die Steve-O

The second deal is a suicide: where are the chances to win a title in the next 3 years (and this is what imply getting Marion)if we coud/must face the Suns with Garnett in the finals?

Please, no Marion!

Danny really needs to kill this rumor and make it clear that AJefferson is not for sale or in the end we might loose AJ as well

If Phoenix wants KG, let them do it on their own, don’t help.

You make moves that incrementally improve us AND after this team just spent the past two years in the lottery … the concept of bringing in a complete player like Shawn Marion would do wonders for this team. This isn’t Allen Iverson.

If Al doesn’t get dumped, at least he knows he’ll be playing on a team that really doesn’t want him around. This should really give a boost to his spirits.

garnett is dead I think, he guy is threatting to opt out, and bullpett stated that danny only does the deal if garnett is extend, garnett doesn’t wanna stay 2 years let alone 5. Also garnett doesn’t think we could compete anyway that is why he didn’t wanna come. There is very little life in this deal, my guess is someone wants it bad in the c’s brass and is telling steve this stuff so hopefully the deal will catch on. Me myself I rather kept the pick and jefferson

i meant garnett deal is dead, not the man himself :)

What an opportunity. We trade for Marion, and next year we will be in position to offer him a lot more than he’s worth. Terrific.

It was interesting to hear Mike Gorman last evening before the CSL went into the crapper. He always seems to have great perspective, and I was particularly interested to hear him say Kirilenko was more interesting to him than Marion.

get it done Danny……then go get Lewis and lets play ball. :D

marion is too old imo..

In the phoenix deal we should get one of the 24 or 29 picks, sent sota’s future pick back and we are the ones who should get thomas, let sota take wally, if we have to take hudson back so be it, but they should also get bassy.

If Wyc and the owners are bound and determined to make one of these deals, I hope it’s the one that brings Marion here and leaves Jefferson on the team. But you have to ask yourself, is Marion worth the potential of an athletic big man like Yi, Noah or Wright? And is he worth the committment to re-sign him?

Last year the Celtics basically wasted the highest pick they’d had in many years. Apparently they are ready to do it again in a much stronger draft. Somebody stop them.

Am i the only one over all this ? I have almost changed my tune and want someone drafted , Pierce traded and starting from scratch because im so fed up with the absurdity and apparent desperation we have reached for a big name to play for us .

My hope, though it’s not too likely given the recent record, is they want to keep other trade rumors alive so Pierce doesn’t go all Vince Carter on them—before they can put a deal together for Pierce.

Maybe it’ll be like the GP trade where someone ends up failing a physical and we get to keep Al Jefferson. That’d be nice.

Well … if they do not have to part with Al to get Marion, that frontcourt fits together very nicely. Marion is the only player in the league who can get 20-10 a night without a single play being called for him, and he can defend 5 positions. I wish he was a more gifted passer, because then he’d be a perfect addition.

But realistically the best long term option for the Celts would be to package Ratliff and any 1 or 2 non-Al kids we have and ship em to Utah for Kirilenko, who offers many of same virtues as Marion did, as long as he is playing the 4 and not the 3. In particular: Ratliff, Gerald Green, Sebastian Telfair and the #32 pick for Kirlenko and the #25 pick (I suspect the Jazz wouldn’t mind moving back 7 picks if it means getting a guaranteed obligation off the books).

Then use the #5 on Corey Brewer or Yi (you can afford to now), the #25 on either Sean Williams if he is around or the best unavailable foreigner …

We’re being lied to, one way or the other. There is someone in the Celtics organization with an agenda.

1. Garnett isn’t going to sign an extension in Boston. I believe they plan to do the deal anyway as a two-year rental, to save money. They will trade Jefferson before they have to pay him.

2. Marion isn’t coming to Boston. If he does, there will be a huge luxury tax bill in 2008-2009 unless they simply plan to trade Jefferson later.

3. Alternatively, this is all a charade to mollify Pierce. “See we tried to get you some help, but we couldn’t.”

There is something very strange and dysfunctional about all of this.

If we are to believe any of these rumors, this Front Office has to be one of the most inept in all of Basketball. It is clear as day to everyone that giving up Al and the #5 on a guy in his 30’s is just a bad idea. They took a poll on the Herald and out of a couple of thousand votes 90% said they would not do the deal. Michael Smith on 7 Sports last night agreed that deal would be absurd. Not that a front office should let a fan base dictate their moves, but when just about everyone is apposed to a deal, you have to start wondering about their motivation.

No matter how cynical Brickowski gets, he never seems to be too cynical for this ownership and situation.

You’ve got it reversed. It’s what this ownership has done and allegedly plans to do that makes me cynical.

Look at what they do, not what they say.

i would trade pierce for marion from Happy Days at this point. maybe she’s a TEAM PLAYER!

Hey, Brick, I’m saying your cynicism is apt!

What I like about this deal is that we’d only be giving up Theo and the #5. What sucks about this deal is, um, everything else… starting with the fact that we’d either need to play Al out of position at the 5 or PP out of position at the 2 to squeeze Marion in at either the 4 (in the first case) or the 3 (in the second). What we’d gain in adding Marion’s defense we’d lose in making Al guard bigger 5s or PP guard quicker 2s.

Speaking of which…

I have a question. To my mind, we’re set at both the 3 and the 4, with PP and Al. We don’t need help there. We have capable starters at the 1 and the 5 with Rondo and Perk, though both of those positions could be upgraded. What we’re lacking, it seems to me, is a strong 2. Sure, we HAD Tony… but we don’t now. So why isn’t anyone talking about us trying to acquire someone to fill that gap? Are we assuming we’ll HAVE to move PP to the 2, either to accommodate Wally or whomever else we draft or trade for? It sort of seems silly to me.

That’s why I got most excited about the Joe Johnson and Jason Richardson rumors (though I greatly prefer the former to the latter). They seem to make the most sense…

EXACTLY the deal I proposed last week.

DO IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

We’d win 50 with Marion at the 4 (some nights the 3).

Ainge is a lying snake and ownwership has a agenda…that we know in spades.. but who cares,that’s part of it..what gets done and what they’d like to do might not be the same thing but one thing for sure,we cannot put any stock into what is said..Danny has assets up the yazoo,PP,AL,Theo,#5, etc..let’s get to the feb trade deadline and see where we’re at…unless he empties the stable first..

Please people against Marion…go look at his statistics..not his scoring that people say is the result of Nash but his rebounds, blocked shots, steals, minutes played…how many games he’s missed. This guy is ENERGY! He never misses games and has nonstop energy like Iverson…

You can get him for basically the #5 pick? That’s insane…

You can probably hold up the deal and offer Wally instead allowing us to push for Lewis as well…

You people against Marion must never stay up late or watch our games against him…he’s like 30 and 15 with 3 blocks per against us over the last couple of years.

A couple of years ago he could/should of been the MVP.

“What I like about this deal is that we’d only be giving up Theo and the #5. What sucks about this deal is, um, everything else… starting with the fact that we’d either need to play Al out of position at the 5 or PP out of position at the 2 to squeeze Marion in at either the 4 (in the first case) or the 3 (in the second). What we’d gain in adding Marion’s defense we’d lose in making Al guard bigger 5s or PP guard quicker 2s.”

Well, playing Al at the 5 takes you into the Phoenix model, which is pretty darn effective. (remember, they outscored the Spurs in that series and had momentum until David Stern and Stu Jackson decided to destroy the postseason, I swear McHale would have gotten 30 games for the Rambis clothesline in 2007) The fact is centers are so hard to find that if you can’t find an elite one, what’s the use. Marion is a plus defender at the 4, and Big Al played a decent amount of 5 last year. Either way, he guarded the post and did “center” things regardless of the nominal position he had. (Tim Duncan is a center in this way too, though he likes being called a 4) Also, Pierce is such an exceptional rebounder at the swingman position that he can help any sort of rebounding issues you’d anticipate with Al as a full time center. Bottom line is, it doesn’t matter, as long as Al keeps growing in learning how to play with fouls.

Thanks for the last 2 posts!

Now we’re getting it. 8)

We need to push Wally to the Wolves instead of Theo…then we can shop for Lewis still and with our MLE we can get Antonio Mc for 3 years. My master plan is still alive.

Rondo, Pierce, Lewis, Marion, AL w/West, GG, Gomes, McD and Perk…ooo baby, let’s win this biatch.

Brick, you’re loosing me pal. They want to take on KG as a rental so as to not pay Jefferson? What sense does that make? Trade #5 and your expiring deal with AJ, and take in $45 million for KG? That’s kinda dumb.

I want the C’s to pick at #5. I’d like to see them take Yi, but it seems as if he might be gone before he gets to us. What sucks is that Yi and Horford will be off the board at #5, which would be the worst case scenario, and would just add insult to injury for the C’s.

I’m getting depressed.

Yi at 4 would be excellent! Yi at 3 and Noah at 4 would be even better!

Brite at 5.

By the way…is this threat to opt out really much of a threat? Say Marion opts out, what’s that mean? We get $15 Million in cap space?

Just doesn’t seem like a threat to me. MAKE THE TRADE!

Real World said:

“Brick, you’re loosing me pal. They want to take on KG as a rental so as to not pay Jefferson? What sense does that make? Trade #5 and your expiring deal with AJ, and take in $45 million for KG? That’s kinda dumb.”

Yes, it’s idiotic. But that’s what is going to happen. They’ll lie to us and tell us that “Garnett’s extension is in the works” but it won’t be.

Past draft picks at number 5 are Wade, Garnett and Barkley. There is a very high percentage when you pick in the top 10 picks in a heavy talented draft you will come out with someone that is going to be a top ball player in the league. These players will contribute soon. We have a losing record 11 out of the 14 seasons I am ready to see the Celtics draft at 5 and keep the team we have. If the Celtics draft a 2 way player like Brewer, Conley, Green, Horford we will be all set. The Celtics 32nd pick draft the best big man or move up in the draft with a trade. This is a great draft to be in.

The deal makes sense to me only if we keep the #5 or switch with the T’Wolves at #7 (it would be great if we and the T’Wolves picked for each other). Thus it would be Marion for Theo’s contract. The T’Wolves are more desparate than us and will be getting a bunch of 1st round picks. To me the deal breaker would be to not essentially get the #5 pick. Szerbiac’s expiring contract next year could be used to pay Al Jeff. I doubt Marion would opt out next year, but even if he left when his contract is up I still think it’s good for us.

Jermaine O’Neal WITH Al Jefferson makes sense because he’s like Pau Gasol but if we trade Al to get another mid-range perimeter/high post player it defeats the purpose. Who’s our back to the basket enforcer? I love Perk and Powe but they’re role players at best. If we give up Gerald Green and #5 for O’Neal I’m interested because GG is not a guaranteed superstar and we already have Pierce, and Tony Allen to man the athletic wing position and Rondo is just a freak of nature athletically.