Pierce Rumor

That’s absolutely nuts! Pierce is better than Marion imo, plus the 5 … it won’t happen.

Must be a typo.. that’s nuts.

Pierce and 5 for Stoudemire makes a little more sense (but not that much..)

Ok now this is just getting dumb..

Jeff why not try a piece looking at the last decades worth of draft picks we have made, good and bad..

anything please.. im going to pull my hair out.

yes insane!

at this rate i hope we keep our pick and possibly trade ratliff for someone else’s 1st round pick. and let danny find a diamond in the muddy waters.

just dont let him make any trades.

if this was proposed, I’ll like to qoute red and ask danny

“have you been out drinking”

Doesn’t seem too plausible, though it would allow us to keep Al, and perhaps at least get phoenix’s first rounder as well. i guess it all depends on what you think pierce’s trade value is. it probably isn’t terribly high considering his age and contract. if marion agreed to an extension with the c’s, this deal wouldn’t be THAT bad, but it would still be bad. i don’t know. i’m just thinking out loud here. pay no attention.

I don’t buy it this thing has turned into a total circus.

I think this was a mistake by the author. If Marion is coming to the C’s, Pierce is staying. Otherwise, there better be something else coming along from either the Wolves or the Suns…and it better be good.

hilarious

Please take the keys away from Danny Ainge. He’s gotten desperate to salvage his and Doc’s careers, even if it kills our future.

If its not a mistake, here’s my take on it. The suns realize we have the inside track with the best offer for MINN for kg (even though I don’t want to give up AJ). So the suns do whatever they can to screw with it and just start trading their players and offering other teams players as well. I do this kind of thing all the time….in Fantasy Football.

I kindof get the feeling we’re going to pull off some trade on Thursday. Only its not going to be KG, nor Marion, its going to come out of left field. I can’t shake that feeling.

piece, kobe and AI should all be traded to one team. they should name that team the “I’M the Greatests”

My head is spinning

These rumors just that…. nothing will happen…. watch

Want to know what all this feels like….. like everyone of us has been drinking and we are so dam drunk….that we’ll wake in the morning with a hang over…saying what happen!

I wouldn’t be surprised if nothing happens and everyone stays put!

All the rumors coming out of this are clearly Minnesota biased, I’ll give you one guess as to who is leaking, and getting the general populace of the twin cities ready for KG’s departure.

Yes, and maybe Ainge is helping his old buddy McHale out.

Quite apart from being ridiculous for the Celtics, the Suns would never take on Pierce’s salary.

I am as bad as anyone but people forget the financial implications of deals. Paul Pierce is owed $70 million over the next four years. There is no way to trade him to anyone without taking back huge unproductive contracts in return. Unlike Marion, Bryant and Garnett, Pierce does not have an opt out clause. Pierce is quite simply untradable. I don’t care how badly he wants out of Boston, he is not going to be traded. He has no leverage. He is not Allen Iverson. He is not going to subvert the entire team to get out and even if he did, that would just make his contract look that much worse to a prospective team. The media can report all the rumors they want but mark it down, Paul Pierce is not going to be traded for at least two years. Two years from now when Pierce only has two years and $40 million left on his contract, he becomes tradable again, but not a moment before then. The more I look at this, the more I am starting to think that he Celtics are not going to make any deals. None of the players they want will come here. I bet the Celtics take the BPA at the number 5 slot and use Theo’s expiring contract to resign Jefferson. If they are smart, the Celtics could have three huge expiring contracts over the next four years (08 Ratliff, 09 Wally, 11 Pierce). The Celtics need to wait, resign the young guys who are productive and use the expiring deals at the trade deadline when they are most likly to get the best player.

   Its a ridiculous rumor, but no more so than 80% of the rumors reported. Somebody always figures if it works on tradechecker.com or whatever, its legitimate. And just as many are as lopsided in favor of the Celtics as this one is skewed the other way.

   In the final analysis, telfair for a 2nd rounder will be our summer blockbuster

By the time Thursday (or July 1st) rolls around we’re going to be so sick of truly awful trade rumors that Danny’s run-of-the-mill, merely bad trade will be a relief!

“Pierce is better than Marion, and they’re about the same age. Why on earth would we give up the #5?”

The only way this is true is if Pierce’s foot problems are worse than anyone knows. If you are sticking Pheonix with a 29 year old player with bad feet who is owed $70 million over the next four years, this deal makes sense, but only if Pierce’s career is truly threatened by the foot problems.

I think PP will be traded Thursday night for the #7 and assorted loose change to fulfill his wish of playing with KG.

  i would trade pierce for marion from Happy Days at this point. maybe she’s a TEAM PLAYER!

“I think PP will be traded Thursday night for the #7 and assorted loose change to fulfill his wish of playing with KG.”

Great idea but it would never work under the CBA.

RE: Jeff’s trade

If you gave the Suns the #5 in that deal, maybe they’d do it. Can’t see Minny wanting Wally, Pierce, and Davis. Unless they were just going to flip Pierce with Jaric to clear their cap and get some picks.

don’t know if this is old news or what, but i found it in the chicago tribune and it sounds a lot better for us…

“All the particulars aren’t established, but the basics are the Suns get Kevin Garnett, the Celtics get Shawn Marion and the Timberwolves get the No. 5 pick, the Hawks’ unprotected first-round pick for next season, which the Suns hold, the Suns’ two firsts this year (No. 24 and 29) and the expiring contracts of Kurt Thomas and Theo Ratliff. The holdup supposedly has been Marion’s reluctance to go to Bostonâ€"he has an opt-out clause after next season. But this is unlike Garnett’s refusal. There’s a huge market for Garnett; not so Marion. The Celtics would hold Marion’s "Bird contract” rights. They’d be the only team that could realistically make up the $17.8 million Marion would give up if he opts out."
http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/basketball/bulls/cs-070624smith,1,4866113,print.column?coll=cs-home-headlines

Wouldn’t really mind if he were, Forex. But the published rumor actually is somehow true to form: both Danny and McHale managing to make bad trades for their teams (Pierce on the downside and a big, long contract for Minny) while Phoenix makes out.

Giving up the pick is for taking on Pierce’s contract. I’d argue that there would have to be something else coming back to Boston, possibly one of Phoenix’s pick this year but undoubtedly (if you look at things from a national perspective) of the three main pieces being discussed here we’re giving up the one who has by far the least trade value.

While I don’t often agree with JohnCK, I think his take here is pretty right on.

While Marion can say all he wants that he’ll opt out, the reality is that the market for him to do so and not end up giving up an insane amount of money just isn’t there. In this process Boston cut’s nearly 35 million dollars in payroll which might be enough to make Wyc think long and hard about it.

I think it is a legitimate question how committed ownership is to actually WINNING, and not just profit-maximizing. Now this is not a swipe at Wyc specifically, since it seems most nba ownerships now are guilty of it. On the last Bill Simmons podcast with Ric Bucher it was discussed heavily, that the most recent CBAs have seriously swung power in the owner’s direction, so the league has become way more image/finance conscious that ever. Donald Sterling is a hero now! Mark Cuban is obnoxious, but at least we know he is legitimately championship driven. The Celtics for years not using their midlevel because they did not want to touch the luxury tax, even if it might help them. Sigh!

Pierce for Marion is a lateral step, especially if they have to deal the #5. I say try to get Kirilenko for Ratliff and stuff, and then continue to draft smart. That is a playoff team right there, and something with some long term upside.

JohnCK, I realize that the idea of trading Pierce is anathema to you, but don’t try to rationalize by calling him “untradeable.” You could easily move him to Utah for Kirilenko and change, or to the Lakers for Kwame Brown (expiring) Bynum and #19. You could move him to Detroit or Dallas for a number of packages.

Once again, it has to be a team that needs one more piece to get over the top, and is willing to sacrifice a good prospect and a pick to get there.

Look at it this way: if Mike Dunleavy, Jr. can be traded, ANYONE can be traded.

I don’t think Pierce for Marion is too bad of a deal because I think Marion may have more basketball left in him. It is throwing in the number five that stinks. The problem with Marion is that he is a whiner and way over values his abilities. Marion is not an elite player. He is just a notch below Pierce and two notches below people like Garnett and Bryant. If you could put Pierce and Marion together with Al Jefferson, you would have something. If you give away Pierce and the pick for Marion you are just saving money and building around an inferior player in Marion.

well if the tribune rumor above is accurate, we would have pierce, marion, and al. that would be nice.

Peirce and the #5 for Marion?
Thats REALLY “Jazzing things up”

Did Peter May write this one too?

if we were to actually trade paul and the #5 for marion i think i would stop being a c’s fan

Marion is an elite player, because he can go 20/10 using garbage buckets and finishing. He whines, yes, but he does not dog it. He is very sensitive because he IS so valuable to Phoenix (moreso than Stoudemire) but his value is not easy for non-true basketball fans to understand. (the man led the suns in Amare’s injured year in pts, rebounds, blocks, steals, minutes)

Would I sell the farm or Pierce and the #5 for him. No. He has to be here with Pierce to matter, but if he does, he is one of the best, if not THE best true fix-it guys in the sport.

It’s ridiculous. This obviously a typo. Some writers are so bad that they don’t deserve their pay, as simple as that.

Pierce to Atlanta for their 3 and 11 pick. Please!

I would kill Danny Ainge and then myself if this trade happened.

The author of this rumor is a Twin Cities “insider” columnist who’s format requires him to comment on every hot topic in Minnesota sports multiple times each week, with all info supposedly coming from “inside sources”. He frequently has no clue.

I think it’s more likely that the deal he’s hearing about is Wally or Theo #5 (and probably other minor considerations) for Marion, which is what’s being rumored in every other source. If Walters got Pierce’s name from someone with the Wolves, it was just a PR ploy to placate the KG fans and make it sound like they are going to get great value when they trade their franchise player.

Pierce to the Wolves, with Garnett leaving, doesn’t even make sense. Why would they want a lesser star who plays a less-premium position, and who’s signed to similar money for 3 more years? McHale has been a disaster, but even he’s not that stupid…

Pierce to the Wolves without keeping Garnett would be completely pointless from their end. If the Wolves don’t trade Garnett and he opts out, the Wolves at least would get out from under his contract and have an enormous amount of cap space to rebuild. It would still stink, but it would be better than being stuck paying a lesser player $70 million plus over the next four years.

I totally agree with the idea to trade for Marion and put him with Jefferson and Pierce. Playing with Pierce and Jefferson would allow Marion to fill in all of the gaps in defense, blocked shots, and rebounds not taken by Pierce and Jefferson. I agree that he is a great glue guy, but for the glue to work you have to have something to glue together.

These rumors keep getting crazier and crazier

Again I’d either trade Pierce to Dallas for Josh Howard and Devin Harris
OR
Trade Pierce to Atlanta and try and pry the #3 and/or the #11 then draft Brewer and Horford.
Either way I’m doing it when NBA Live 08’ comes out

With the various polls out there , the fans have overwhelmingly told management what they think of these proposed deals. If management is going to be so callous to the sentiments of their loyal fans then I feel as though fans have the ultimate say by boycotting the home games.

If any one of these ridiculous deals is made it is my hope that a massive boycott be instituted. I honestly feel it is Wyc who is behind this nonsense, he needs to be taught a big time lesson.

“Again I’d either trade Pierce to Dallas for Josh Howard and Devin Harris”

I doubt you could get Dallas to deal either of these two for Pierce let alone both. Maybe Jason Terry and Diop.

Actually I think it’s Rivers who is behind all this nonsense. He and Pierce have to be the ones pushing the hardest to trade #5 and Jefferson.

QUOTE: JohnCK said: “I think PP will be traded Thursday night for the #7 and assorted loose change to fulfill his wish of playing with KG.”
Great idea but it would never work under the CBA.

pierce & telfair for ricky, hudson, mccants, #7
realgm trade id 4007119

Substitute Trenton Hassell for Hudson and I might actually do that deal, miraclejohan.

Brick,

Why on earth would Pierce want to trade Jefferson? Jefferson is the first decent player the Celtics have given Pierce to play with. I can definitely see how Pierce would want to trade the pick and not have to deal with another rookie, but Jefferson is a vet and poised to have a break through year. Maybe Wyc wants to trade Jefferson because he doesn’t want to pay him, but I gaurentee you Doc and Pierce want to trade the pick and bring in a vet to try to win now. Unless it is for Garnett, trading Jefferson does not help to win now.

Perhaps Pierce wants to be “the man” and sees Jefferson as competition for that role.

IMHO a Pierce trade demand is just around the corner if the C’s don’t trade #5. I wish they would just trade him on draft night and avoid the risks associated with that scenario.

I would be happy with PP for the any draft pick up through seven. We keep Al, save a ton of dough, get two high picks in perhaps the best draft ever. If we could get two picks for him Id be happier. Heck trade him and Telfair and Gomes for the 3rd and 11.

Brick,

Pierce can demand all he wants but he doesn’t have an opt out and is under contract for four more years. Moreover, his contract is huge and it is going to take a lot to get anyone to take it. This is not baseball where the team can agree to pay part of the contract just to get rid of a guy. If Pierce throws a fit, teams are going to be less likly to want to take his contract on. Like I said above, he is basically untradable for at least two years. If he wanted out of Boston or wanted leverage on how the team was run, he shouldn’t have gotten an opt out clause or not signed the extension. He took the money so basically he has not choice but to shut up and play.

If we’re going to trade Pierce, we’re not going to give up the number 5. Trading PP means we’re going into full-scale rebuilding mode, and that means we would NEVER give up that valuable a draft pick.

Rondo/Green/Allen/Marion/Jefferson. now that’s a sick up tempo lineup right there! phoenix who???

Marion is better than Pierce in terms of all around game, but he is also a trickier one. 2 years ago, he led Phoenix in pts, reb, bks, stls, minutes. He does not require plays to score. He is good for 20/10 and devastating if he gets to play the 4 where he uses his speed expertly, and he is an exceptional defender on a team that uses his defensive flexibility as a backbone for everything it does. But he is not a playmaker, and needs a coach who knows how to use his virtues. Doc’s abilities to coach anything are highly suspect.

Both are Top 20 caliber players when they are right.

i agree. if marion comes here, doc will most likely ruin him like he does most players

sooner or later doc will be gone tho anyways so it’s still worth getting marion while we can

Actually Pierce to Atlanta for 3 and 11 makes some sense.

Pierce, Powe and Ray and #5 for Claxton, Lue (expiring) Wright (expiring) #3 and #11.

Unfortunately that deal makes no sense for Atlanta.

A Simple Pierce for Joe Johnson and #11 is a better possibility.

Brick,

Why would Atlanta trade for Pierce and go into salary cap hell, when they can just keep Johnson who is younger and makes less money and also have the number 11 pick? I like both of those trades you mentioned but I can’t see any reason why Atlanta would do either one of them.

“I would be happy with PP for the any draft pick up through seven. We keep Al, save a ton of dough, get two high picks in perhaps the best draft ever. If we could get two picks for him Id be happier. Heck trade him and Telfair and Gomes for the 3rd and 11.”

There’s not a team in the top 10 that would deal thier pick for Pierce. Him, Telfair and Gomes for 3 and 11 is laughable.

If Mairon would ever agree to come here, Marion at the 4 and Jefferson at the five with Pierce and Wally outside would be unstopable on the offensive end. Jefferson brutalizes bigger and slower centers. He actually played better last year at center were he could use his quickness more. Marion does the same thing at the 4 spot. I can’t think of anyone in the East who would be able to match up with both Marion and Jefferson. Yeah, you could show it down and overpower them down low on the offensive end, but defending those two would be very difficult. If Ainge could work the number 5 for Marion, it would be great, but I can’t see how Wyc agrees to pay Pierce, Marion and Jefferson the extension he will want, so it is just a pipe dream.

If we can’t even get a top ten pick for him then its a no go. I doubt you are right. PP and Ratliff to MN for their pick, I would think that would be considered by McHale and make KG happy

“If we can’t even get a top ten pick for him then its a no go.”

Then its a no go. Why would anyone think he’s worth a top ten pick in this draft with his contract?

“I doubt you are right.”

Hope I’m not actually, but I don’t think I am.

“PP and Ratliff to MN for their pick, I would think that would be considered by McHale and make KG happy”

To make this work it would be something along the lines of Mark Blount, Troy Hudson, Marko Jaric, Ricky Davis and the pick for Pierce and Ratliff. You might be right that Minnesota would in fact take this, but only because they’d be paying Pierce’s contract instead of the three stiff’s and Davis. I certainly wouldn’t do that if I were Boston.

Scotty,

You are exactly right. That is why I don’t see Pierce being traded. There just isn’t any way to construct a fair deal for him. Either, the team taking him gives up a bunch of expiring contracts and draft picks or good young players and gets taken or the Celtics end up getting a bunch of overpaid stiffs like Jaric and nothing else.

Rumors are rumors, but I’d bet it was for Amare and not Marion. If the deal included Minny’s #7 then ok. If we could somehow get Amare and #7 for Pierce and #5, I’d do it in a second. I don’t think that would happen though.

This discussion is cementing my feeling that the best long term plan is to pick the best player available who FITS with PP and Al and do nothing else. The primary reason being that we want to be the best team we can be now in order to increase the value of everyone on the team in order to make better trades. If it required a relatively painless move, say to swap 3 and 5 and throw in ratliff or a Gomes, in order to get Horford, Id do that since it feel like he is the most NBA ready and a good fit with Al and Perk on the front line. Not sure Atl would go for that either and as everyone is saying, if ownershgip isn’t committed to paying up, that screws us on Als contract later. But the main idea should be to draft someone who is going to make a difference now so we can get out of the gate at 500-530 ball, that has to be the hope to increase the valiue of all the pieces.

Would you rather trade Pierce or Jefferson? Look at it that way, but I agree Pierce and #5 is worth more than Marion.

CsfanNH

Atlanta might move to #5 if it is looking at Conley or Wright. Still though, I’m not sure they are, since Horford and a PG at #11 make more sense in their minds.

That CANNOT be correct. Did anyone make sure Chris Wallace turned in his keys to the office?

I have this picture of the media guys playing a game where they have a conference call every day and try to come up with more and more unbelievable trade rumors, and wagering on at what point fans will finally stop taking them seriously.

This discussion is cementing my feeling that the best long term plan is to pick the best player available who FITS with PP and Al and do nothing else. The primary reason being that we want to be the best team we can be now in order to increase the value of everyone on the team in order to make better trades. If it required a relatively painless move, say to swap 3 and 5 and throw in ratliff or a Gomes, in order to get Horford, Id do that since it feel like he is the most NBA ready and a good fit with Al and Perk on the front line. Not sure Atl would go for that either and as everyone is saying, if ownershgip isn’t committed to paying up, that screws us on Als contract later. But the main idea should be to draft someone who is going to make a difference now so we can get out of the gate at 500-530 ball, that has to be the hope to increase the valiue of all the pieces.

Yeah but Pierce walks if you dont bring in a big name vet.

“Yeah but Pierce walks if you dont bring in a big name vet.”

He can’t he is under contract and doesn’t have an opt out clause. If he wants to walk in 2011 at age 34, the Cetlics should pack his bags. Pierce really doesn’t have any leverage in this.

maybe but I don’t think he will stop trying and you tell him to shut up and we will either trade him or bring in a vet but we have to get off to a good start to increase the value. Meanwhile will he hate it if we are 25-18? Maybe and this gets back to Bricks ideas that Doc has to go and you need a great point guard. PP, Al, and Horford with a great point would be a fine team. In any case our guys are devalued because we tanked and faked injuries and now we are trying to trade them?? We have to come back and play with these guys and see what they have for real and then unload them for a vet. Its the only thing that might work

He can’t he is under contract and doesn’t have an opt out clause. If he wants to walk in 2011 at age 34, the Cetlics should pack his bags. Pierce really doesn’t have any leverage in this.

By “walk” I obviously meant “demand a trade”. He’s already started barking, and it’s better to move him before it get’s too out of hand.

Pierce for Kirilenko and #25. Then we don’t have to put up with the veiled threats any longer. Pierce ould be going to a contender and would be closer to his beloved Vegas.

I’m all for the thought of sending Pierce to the Wolves for their #7 draft pick and Ricky and change… Ricky might have been a little volatile due to his high emotions, but those high emotions helped his game. I was sitting 2 rows back from their bench a couple years ago against the bulls and Pierce would come out of the game glaring at his teammates and the coach and sit and sulk. Ricky on the other hand came off the floor energetic and pumping up the young guys to keep their heads in the game. No way they take him back though after all that…

I hve no problem taking Davis back either, because his contract is expiring. I also think Trenton Hassell is a solid player. But I want no part of Blount, Hudson or Jaric.

“Pierce for Kirilenko and #25. Then we don’t have to put up with the veiled threats any longer. Pierce ould be going to a contender and would be closer to his beloved Vegas.”

I guess you save some money, but Kirlenko is liable to be more of a pain than Pierce. Listen to all of the whining he does in Utah. Is there any more respected coach than Jerry Sloan? I wouldn’t mind taking a chance on him if it involved keeping Pierce and Jefferson, but I can’t see him being anything but worthless as a franchise player. The chances are too great that he would whine and pout about having to play second fiddle to Jefferson to risk trading Pierce for him.

I don’t think Kirilenko would whine and pout in Boston at all. His problem in Utah is that Williams, Boozer and Okur take 90% of the shots. Give Kirilenko 10 shots a game (half of what Pierce gets) and he’d be happy as a clam and would hustle his tail off on defense and run the floor.

If it’s Pierce for Kirelenko (who I don’t believe to even be on the Celtics radar at this point), then I want Paul Millsap thrown into the package (at a minimum).

I like Kirelenko, but his lack of perfromance last year really hurt his trade value, and Utah is eager to dump him. They should not be able to get Pierce for just him and a LATE 1st rounder. We would need SOMETHING else out of it.

Cousin It,

He must not be on their radar because Kirlenko has gotten on Utah’s last nerve. I think a package of Gomes, Scal and Ratliffe and maybe a second rounder would get him. At this point, I think Utah would just like to get out of his contract, especially considering the money that they are going to have to pay LaRon Williams. I like the idea of bringin in Kirlenko to play Jefferson and Perkins down low and then drafting either Brewer or Green at number 5. That team could really compete in the East.

Gomes and Scal will not get it done. Kirilenko is a former all star. Pierce should get them Kirilenko and 25, but becasue of length of contract, they may want Wally and other considerations, like DWest or Green. That way when Wally gets done, Deron Williams will be getting rich. And they could certainly use a backup PG, that West could supply. And they’d keep their 25 pick and draft another big like Splitter, Gasol, or the Russian guy Fazenko. Wally’d probably work well with Harpring at the 3, playing 20-25 min per game.

We’d then have Kirilenko, Jefferson and PP up front, with Green/Allen at the 2, and Rondo at point. We could draft the best player, and let them develop.

VT Bill,

He is a FORMER All Star who averaged less than 6 PPG last year and makes max money. People around here whine about Pierce, what would they say if he went out this year and averaged 5 ppg? I wouldn’t give them Wally. They would get Theo, Scal, Gomes and maybe West if I really wanted to make the deal. You can’t ignore the risk that Kirlenko really has gone psycho and will never play well again. It has happened before. Further, I don’t have a lot of faith in Doc’s ability to put him in the right situation or find out what is wrong with his head.

Completely agree, JohnCK. I guess what I was saying (but not very well) is that Pierce for Kirelenko doesn’t make much sense to me. Either we should give less (like your proposal), or they should give MUCH more.

John CK,

Actually, while I agree with your point, I have a different perception about “giving” them Wally. I would rather they take Wally than Theo’s contract because I believe Theo’s contract is MUCH more attractive in terms of trade value that could be used on a second deal, maybe right before the deadline.

I see Wally and his contract as an albatross that is dragging the team down. I hate his game. Getting rid of him in and of itself is a positive, IMO. Dumping his contract, even more so. Utah would be doing us a favor.

this is a long post, but i had to share it. just some hilarious one-liners about Malone and Kirelenko in here (from a Utah paper):

As you’re probably aware by now, Andrei Kirilenko is unhappy these days. You already know this because Kirilenko aired his complaints in the media, which in turn told you. Just one question: Why tell us? Look, it’s not that we in the media are ungrateful or unappreciative. Believe me, if you want to talk, we’re glad to listen â€" and then tell the world about it. It’s what we do. You know the old line: If you haven’t got something nice to say about someone, come sit next to me. That could be the media’s theme. Deseret Morning News

But there are times when we’re tempted to save people from themselves and tell them to just shut up because it’s pointless or in the case of Karl Malone, nonsensical and ungrammatical but always a great setup for one-liners. Gosh, I miss that guy. But our job is usually not to save athletes from themselves; it’s to tell readers what they said, if we can understand it ourselves, which, in the case of Malone, wasn’t easy. Deseret Morning News

Kirilenko with a ball in his hands looked like a man with a ticking time bomb who has no idea what to do with it except get rid of it, fast, but where? He looks utterly lost. He shot 47 percent from the field â€" with mostly dunks and layups â€" and averaged 8.3 points per game, about half his average the past three seasons. The only play Sloan should design for Kirilenko should be this: Pass it. And if he has a problem with it, he should talk to Sloan and ask him for a helping hand. Deseret Morning News

Brick, I bet you’d like to give that writer a piece of your mind!

The truth is that I much rather lose Pierce than lose Jefferson, even though the deal is one sided.

then u wont like the newest rumor on ESPN news.
KG to LA
bynum odom to Ind
Jefferson and #5 to Minn
O’neil to Bos

Pierce for AK is two teams swapping lots of money. The relative worth of both players is arguable. Both will most likely stay in their respective uni’s come the fall. The trade that will happen will be the one you haven’t heard about, that comes out of left field. My money is on Seattle but not involving Lewis.

Celty86,
Interesting thought. You thinking something like Wilcox and Swift? Watson and Swift? If so, what’s outgoing from the Celtics?

Cousin It, yea something involving some of those three mentioned and possibly Collison also. Not sure how many. We all know Ainge loves Swift. From our end to make the money close we would have to deal either Wally or Theo and include the pick. I don’t see Theo going as we will want to stay out of tax land in 08-09 so that leaves Wally with the pick being the carrot. That will get everyone here hot and bothered as they will say that Ainge got hosed getting whatever from Seattle after all the other big name talk the last few days.

I just got a feeling that when all is said and done Ainge will make a trade but it won’t be for a “big name”. We will get a vet or vets and trade #5 and everyone will be howling saying he didn’t maximize the value of the pick.