KG to Lakers, O'Neal to Celts?
by Jeff Clark on Jun 25, 2007 5:02 PM EDT
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PrintESPN is reporting (via the LA Times) a complex 4 team trade rumor with KG going to the Lakers. Chad Ford speculates that the Celtics could be that 4th team.
Are the Boston Celtics the key to moving Kevin Garnett to L.A.?
The Los Angeles Times reported on Monday that the Lakers were in discussions with the Minnesota Timberwolves about a trade that would send Garnett to the Lakers. The trade would also involve the Indiana Pacers and possibly a fourth team.
After speaking with a league source, I think the deal has some legs, though it doesn't appear imminent.
According to the source, the key to completing the deal is finding a fourth team that would (a) take Jermaine O'Neal and (b) send the Timberwolves enough pieces to complete the deal.
Here's the idea he cooked up in the trade checker.
Finally a deal I like. Sign me up.
Update: Just to clarify, Jim Grey was reporting on the radio that the deal involved Al Jefferson and the #5. Ric Bucher passed that along on SportsCenter indicating that the Wolves didn't want to give up the package Boston was offering for KG. Chad Ford (wiesly I think) speculated that such a deal would be too rich for Boston's blood considering the fact that Garnett is a better player. He said it would likely be a deal breaker on Boston's side. He speculated (as he does in his blog) that another player like Gerald Green might be more to their liking.
Update 2: Celts out of the talks?
The talks turned into discussions about a four-way deal among the Lakers, Minnesota, Indiana and Boston, in which the Lakers would have gotten Garnett. However, the deal broke down, reportedly because the Celtics didn't like what they would have gotten, ending the four-way negotiations.
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Pierre – Check the Trade Checker. It is not Jefferson and there is no speak of #5 either. It is GG, Telfair and Theo’s contract.
At any rate – Hey Jeff, I heard the trade scenario that Chad Ford talks about does not include the draft picks that will be involved in the deal. Does anyone know who is giving and getting draft picks? I’d hate to give up the #5 too unless we were getting the #7 or something else in return.
No Jefferson?? Are you kidding me? This is such a no brainer…
***I believe I predicted this when I met JO in Vegas and he told all of us that he is boys with ZPierce and would like to play with him (although he said he wanted Pierce in Indy)
I feel like I helped pave the way for this deal by chipping in to buy him a bucket of Heineken.
I would like all of Cblog to send me my $60 back!!
Chad Ford was saying that the Celtics will probably not give up Big Al, but possibly Gerald Green, expiring contract(Theo) and the #5 pick
by Bostonsportfan on Jun 25, 2007 5:17 PM EDT reply actions
From ESPN:
The Wolves send Kevin Garnett and Marko Jaric to the Lakers.
The Lakers send Lamar Odom and Andrew Bynum to the Pacers and the No. 19 pick to the Wolves.
The Pacers send Jermaine O’Neal to the Celtics.
The Celtics send the No. 5 pick, Theo Ratliff, Gerald Green and Sebastian Telfair to Minnesota.
Minn doesn’t go for that
by blceltsfan on Jun 25, 2007 5:21 PM EDT reply actions
Minny would NEVER do this. Green and #5 for Garnett?
I would rent Garnett for one year and throw LA and Indy out of it for that deal. Al Paul and Garnett?
This seems a bit more than far fetched…it appears to be ford fetched.
by dinoradja on Jun 25, 2007 5:22 PM EDT reply actions
The Timberwolves would be getting the #5, the #19 (I believe that is what LA has), plus Gerald, Sebastian, and Theo’s expiring contract. If that won’t make them happy then they can plan on having an unhappy KG around for a long time. I think they are getting plenty and would be foolish not to take this trade. I honestly think it seems to work for all parties! GET THIS ONE DONE!!!
It seems as the specifics of this trade have not been ironed out. If you read Chad Ford’s article he specifically states: “For instance, here’s one scenario that could work:”, so that scenario is just his idea not the specifics of an actual trade idea.
I think this rumor will also fade away like most others have so far…
Why is everyone so geeked up about O’Neal? He is used up and we are giving away the #5, the best expiring deal in the league, and a young guy that the majority of this board has praised for 2 years now.
It’s not the worst option, but once again it seems like we are giving up the most in order to get a name.
by connelbe on Jun 25, 2007 5:30 PM EDT reply actions
Minny dumps bad contracts, picks up expiring deals and draft picks and Gerald…I think this makes a lot of sense for everyone. Remember, KG can and probably will opt out of MN at the end of this year. and if they trade him mid season, his value goes down because then its a 3 month rental of him. and he wants to choose where he goes. this is probably the best MN can get. With all the FAs coming up the next couple years, getting all that cap space is very very valuable.
well if MSNBC is believed, it has been reduced to the pacers and lakers, which means…
the wolves are going to trade garnett for bynum and odom? oh my goodness. i wouldn’t want to be in minnesota when they announced that one.
by monty on Jun 25, 2007 5:31 PM EDT reply actions
I bet this ends up being a straight LAL-Minn deal, Odom, bynum, Brown’s expiring deal, and maybe the #19 pick isn’t terrible for Minnesota. LA Times is reporting this: http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-lakers26jun26,1,6107504.story?coll=la-headlines-sports&track=crosspromo
Well the Celtics are out of it according to the LA Times. So Danny didn’t like the deal. So either we were getting ripped off (see: giving up Jefferson) or Danny Ainge is retarded (more likely).
#5, Theo, GG, Telfair for JO is an awesome package.
Why Minnesota was oging to do that deal I have no idea.
by Stan Van GULLY on Jun 25, 2007 6:16 PM EDT reply actions
File this under absolute no brainer. The only potential sticking point I see from the C’s POV is whether ownership is going to be willing to approach or exceed the luxury tax threshold in the next couple of years. Pierce, Al and O’Neal alone would be making somewhere in the $45-50 mill range for 2008-09 and 09-10, so there wouldn’t be a whole lot left in the cupboard to bring in other guys.
As Stan Van GULLY was saying:
http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-lakers26jun26,1,6107504.story?coll=la-headlines-sports&ctrack=4&cset=true
Quote:
The talks turned into discussions about a four-way deal among the Lakers, Minnesota, Indiana and Boston, in which the Lakers would have gotten Garnett. However, the deal broke down, reportedly because the Celtics didn’t like what they would have gotten, ending the four-way negotiations.
The Lakers are now back to direct two-team talks with the Timberwolves. However, sources say, Minnesota General Manager Kevin McHale wants young players and high draft choices and isn’t keen on the Lakers offer of Andrew Bynum and Lamar Odom.
pcraig,
Not only that, but also what Brickowski said.
O’Neal is an injury prone overpaid, and perhaps overrated, player.
Even still, this would be a much better deal than what we were offering for KG.
by jarobiso on Jun 25, 2007 6:27 PM EDT reply actions
Realgm is reporting that the celtics have pulled out of the deal with minny indy and lakers.
by Freeease1 on Jun 25, 2007 6:51 PM EDT reply actions
http://www1.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/46690/20070625/celtics_pull_out_of_four_way_kg_deal/
this is the story of the celtics pulling out
by Freeease1 on Jun 25, 2007 6:53 PM EDT reply actions
You gotta figure we don’t value JO that high with his health issues. Otherwise this would be a done deal.
As for Minnesota, don’t miss the fact that they were going to get an extra first rounder plus Kwame in the deal. Theo Kwame would be $20M in expiring contracts, so they could go out a sign a max-level free agent next summer (Brand, Arenas, Marion are up for starters). Getting Kwame and the #19 pick, PLUS unloading Jaric (paid $7M through 2011) is a pretty big difference to compensate for swapping Al with Gerald.
by byennie on Jun 25, 2007 6:56 PM EDT reply actions
Why is everyone saying this deal isn’t good for MIN. It’s perfect.
1. They dump Jaric w/out taking on Wally (Getting Brown’s expiring deal instead-This is HUGE!)
2. They get two picks in a loaded draft
3. They get one young player
That is exactly what I would want for a superstar. Although Toronto got skinnaid for a similar deal for Vince Carter.
by OtherRedHead on Jun 25, 2007 6:56 PM EDT reply actions
I just wish the Celtics would just sit tight, draft a top prospect, and look at possibly dealing in February.
At this point,they should put the pesssure on Rivers to deliver, if he can’t then get rid of him and start dealing in February.
The Celtics are clearly giving the appearance of acting out of desperation . In the weak East it makes no sense to act impulsively , a "great " coach like Rivers who was able to secure an extension on the heels of an 18 game losing streak should be able to deliver the goods.
It’s time that the burden be placed squarely on Rivers, he either puts up or shuts up. No more excuses , he is in a very weak conference and he has enough talent to compete and make the playoffs.
Wyc and Ainge are scrambling to “improve” the team when the root of the problem is right under their noses in Rivers. At this point Rivers is desperate and he will push for a short term fix ( trade ) rather than push for a move for the long term betterment of the organization.
by DAS on Jun 25, 2007 6:59 PM EDT reply actions
Pierce is gone. This is the third time they’ve failed to get an other All Star this summer and something like the sixth or seventh time in the past few seasons. At least I’m sure this is how it looks to him. If Danny isn’t on the phone getting offers for him before draft day, I’d be surprised.
by Robb @ CelticsBlog on Jun 25, 2007 7:05 PM EDT reply actions
Ownership would fire Ainge before they would trade Pierce. They’re hopeless and the prognosis for the Celtics is hopeless until they cart the retiring Pierce off in a wheelchair after “Paul Pierce Night” when they give him an Esplanade, keys to the city and a year’s supply of cat food, after rasing his number to the rafters in front of 273 screaming fans.
Ditch Indi and give us Odom and Bynum plus a future LA #1…Odom gives you just as many rebounds, can handle, pass and plays hurt. And doesn’t blast his teammates constantly like O’Neal.
I’m holding out hope that Ainge is in Phoenix to talk to Marion and the Suns not watch slow motion Jeff Green.
by HOOPS! on Jun 25, 2007 7:10 PM EDT reply actions
Ok so we are out of the 4-team trade.. How about making it a 3-team trade where we get Odom?
Ratliff/GG/Telfair/#32 for Odom
Garnett/Jaric for Bynum/Brown/GG/Ratliff/#19
Bynum/Brown/Odom/19 for Garnett/#32/Telfair/Jaric
Rondo
Pierce
Odom
Jefferson
Perkins
by Stan Van GULLY on Jun 25, 2007 7:10 PM EDT reply actions
How many games will he play and how much will he be yappin to the press Mo?…I don’t know…GG and the #5?? I’d rather have GG and Brite…I think
by HOOPS! on Jun 25, 2007 7:14 PM EDT reply actions
Can’t believe O’Brien is going to get the player Walker thought he was for all those years.
I’d much rather get Odom and Bynum in this deal.
by HOOPS! on Jun 25, 2007 7:16 PM EDT reply actions
I agree with Brick in drafting Conley. There is no doubt that beside a dominant center the only other position that can come close to impacting the success of a team is a point guard.
Look at the numbers Pierce, Bryant and Mc Grady put up year after year and look at the impact they have had on their respective teams.
Sure there are exceptions like Bird, James or Jordan , but how many times does a talent like that come around ?
by DAS on Jun 25, 2007 7:30 PM EDT reply actions
Today I am in the trade Pierce camp. Tomorrow, who knows? But… JO and Al with a healthy Perk has the potential for ‘a bit scary frontcourt’ for the C’s. PP at 2/3 drawing attention, Rondo draining 15-18 footers (OK — fantasy ended).
Now — let’s look at the dark side — just how good are the Lakers with KG and Kobe?
Where’s all the whiners now about Ainge and Wyc just taking anything at all and getting screwed?! If you don’t think that these guys are honestly trying to win a championship then you are absolutely insane. Just because you may not like the moves that they are making/thinking of making/not making, doesn’t mean that you are right. You have one big advantage on your side… You can spout off rediculous comments and trades and backtrack on all of those and no one remembers. You have hindsight in your corner that you attempt to say you called it way back when even though you threw out 15 different scenarios and one piece of one of them turned out to be right. If you were all so smart about this then you’d be employed on one of the squads as a GM or even a simple scout. It is great to throw out ideas and suggestions. That is what we are here for. Just don’t throw out rediculous conspiracy theories or pretend to “know” that these guys won’t do everything they can to win. They are paying right at what they are supposed to be paying. Look at 2 of the top 3 payrolls in the league right now… NY and Philly. Want to be them?!
The smartest move made sometimes is the one that isn’t. I think a good trade can be had, but many more bad trades that hurt the franchise are lingering out there.
Why do people think Conley will be anything special? The only reason he’s being drafted this high is because of the weak point guard class. I didn’t see anything from him this year that seperated him from Acie Law, and certainly nothing that would put him in the Paul/William class of 2 years ago. If we want to give the ball to an athletic PG who can’t shoot, we already have one – one that has a better instinctive feel for the game then Conley has ever demonstrated
by Cullain on Jun 25, 2007 7:50 PM EDT reply actions
Please nooo!!! I do not want this deal to die if Ainge wants to win now and still build for the future this is the best deal he is gonna get that will keep Big Al unless he knows something we don’t and ends up netting us Gasol or Joe Johnson then he is more of a moron than I thought. Does he not realize that Big Al(probable allstar), Jermaine O’Neal(all-star), Pierce(all-star),Tony Allen,Rondo with a vet point guard and Wally’s shooting off the bench would vault us overnight to the top of the east and as long as we can remain relatively healthy. It also leaves us with Big Al,Rondo, and Tony Allen to hold down the franchise when Pierce and Jermaine are gone. I like this possibility and if Ainge and ownership truly value the future of the franchise they will agree to the deal in question because last I checked #5 G$ Theo and Telfair is what I believe Minny is now willing to accept along with the lakers #19 pick. I say we do the deal then sign a Chucky Atkins type vet backup pg with our mid-level exception.
by Bostonsportfan on Jun 25, 2007 8:04 PM EDT reply actions
I wonder what Ainge didn’t like about the deal? Even if you don’t like JO, essentially trading Green and the #5 for him seems like a no-brainer…and I really like Gerald. Either there’s more (or less) to this deal than what’s being talked about or Ainge might be playing hardball. LA, Minn and Indy absolutely have to have a 4th team with a big expiring contract and a high pick in order to make a deal work. How many other teams besides Boston fit those requirements? Maybe Ainge thinks he can get JO without giving up Gerald or get Indy’s 1st rounder in exchange.
Mike
Jermaine O’Neal! Jermaine O’Neal! I have had a feeling we would end up with him since before the trade deadline last year and despite reports of Boston leaving the table I still feel we will be back and I am certain we will be able to get this deal done for Theo,G$, Telfair and #5 because I think we might be able to pry away a future rd1 pick along with O’Neal and then if Ainge passes this he should quit or be fired immediatly for passing on a guy who has a good relationship with Paul Pierce and when healthy can be a 20 10 guy. Do not forget that he does have plenty of playoff experience and he is still young at 28.
by Bostonsportfan on Jun 25, 2007 8:21 PM EDT reply actions
I was Watching ESPN news when the trade was first announced and they had Jim Gray on the Phone and he said they wanted Jefferson and the #5. That is why I said No in the first post. And why I think Ainge said no too!
by Pierre71 on Jun 25, 2007 8:29 PM EDT reply actions
I think to make this deal work then either we will have to also give Minny back thier future pick we have or LA or Indy will have to pony up a future first rounder and then I think Minny would be fools I mean if 3 rd 1 picks this year followed by cap space next summer and a future rd1 pick along with Gerald Green that team could end up drafting at #5 and #7 a C and PF to pair with Ricky D, G$, and Foye and a good player at #19 that would make them in a few years a competitive and fun to watch team.
by Bostonsportfan on Jun 25, 2007 8:30 PM EDT reply actions
c’mon Danny just do this deal but like Pitino said Parish,McHale, and Bird are not walking through that door but I think it is destiny for them to offer us a helping hand and in the end I think McHale will realize that 2 rd1 draft picks, cap space, and G$ is enough and to accept it because it helps him rebuild his team and allows for his beloved Celts to be relevant again. I am sure they are pained just as much as we are to see the shape of the team over the past 15 years.
by Bostonsportfan on Jun 25, 2007 8:35 PM EDT reply actions
Food for thought
We keep the 5th pick and don’t make a trade.
Then we wait and see what our team looks like come training camp and during the fall.
We have Ratliff’s contract coming off the books this upcoming season. His contract will be worth more then, and then it is now because he’ll only have 2 months left on his contract by that time.
I think it’s better for this team to wait it out, use the 5th pick see what the team looks like come next season and then make a move by the February trading deadline.
To me that’s a no brainier
Brick, giving Paul Pierce “an Esplanade” is the funniest line I’ve read here in a long time.
O’Neal’s option years down the road are like 19.7, 21.4 and 22.0! The Celts will be looking to dump the contract halfway through his first year with the team. If I’m paying a guy that kind of bread I want first-team all-NBA, nothing less. No way this happens.
JO makes monster cash guys. There is no way that we could pay him, PP, AND resign Jefferson. Plus, we’d have to sign players around them. I don’t see JO coming here. IMO, I’m not a big fan of his game. He takes to many jump shots, and like to play like a 3 too often. He is a good player on D though. Still, he makes waaaay too much $$.
by Real World on Jun 25, 2007 9:45 PM EDT reply actions
If we added J. O’Neal and didn’t lose Al, that would be a good trade. JO hasn’t played is pretty injury prone but having him start alongside Al and bringing Perk in to spell him with some big minutes, might keep him injury free. I think in this scenario, we should only have to give up the #5, but I am no GM.
I’ve grown weary of the rumors. I will not spend any more time pondering this or that rumor.
I will admit, the Telfair deal shocked me when it happened. However, it seems like we are trying to turn over every single rock to react to what ifs.
For me, I’ll react when something happens one way or the other come draft night. Until something actually goes down, this is nothing but mind games.
by docextension on Jun 25, 2007 11:58 PM EDT reply actions
Funniest line I heard today from ESPN, can’t remember who said it regarding the trade rumors:
“Kevin Garnett wants to go to a contender and play for a championship banner, not come to Boston and look up at them”.
by docextension on Jun 26, 2007 12:11 AM EDT reply actions
Yahoo sports reporting that Pierce will demand a trade soon after Thursday’s draft. Some have suggested that the Celtics trade Pierce soon after he had the great season in 05-06 because youth was not going to reach the potential if it had it with Pierce to make a banner run.
We are now in a position of weakness where a year ago we were in a position of strength in moving Pierce. Wise GMs seem to stay a step ahead of the curve.
by docextension on Jun 26, 2007 1:58 AM EDT reply actions
Sick of the trade rumors so I throw this out:
Team to beat in the East next year: Miami, with a healthy Shaq and Wade. Call it a “lock” if LA gets O’Neal or Garnett, nothing will motivate Shaq more to potentially meet and beat LA in the finals.
If not Heat then who: look for Chicago who has been knocking on the door to potentially kick it in.
Team to make the biggest slide to the middle of the playoff pack: Pistons.
Team to make the playoffs but not have as great a year as last: Cavs
Team that gets older but still slides into the playoffs: Nets
Team that makes the playoffs and inches a slight improvement or stays the same: Toronto.
Team that does better than anticipated: Van Gundy’s Magic although shouldn’t be a surprise with a good coach.
Celtics fate:
-with a trade for a Marion/Garnett/O’neal type player- possible 4th seed.
-keeping Pierce plus #5, possible 7th or 8th playoff spot with a 500 or sub 500 record.
- trading Pierce for junk contract, young talent, draft picks, miss playoffs but better long term prospects.
by docextension on Jun 26, 2007 2:10 AM EDT reply actions
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a319/Castaway420/Jermaine0607.gif
Jermaine O Neal shotchart from 06-07..
Nothing says successful like a low 40% shooting / passive bigman.
by havlicekstoletheball on Jun 26, 2007 3:51 AM EDT reply actions
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