Hawks Ownership Vetos Amare Deal

I wonder which ownership group vetoed it. It was a crappy deal anyway and deserved to die. So KG is still in play. Hopefully Jefferson isn’t.

Geez! They should. I’d even give up Pierce for Stoudamire!

thats sucks for us it means atlanta will take yi and memhpis will take horford. If we can get KG for everything but Big Al and pierce then do it!,but dont give up Big Al whatever u do

can’t believe atl didn’t hit that. horford, yi or wright all fill our needs

build around Big Al

Katz also reports that Wallace wants Brewer with #4, so we could see Horford slip to us after all

this would make me happy , GREAT SUCCESS

Gotta figure if we rekindle something we’re gonna wait and see who’s available at #5. Maybe if Horford slips. Apparently the deal with Atlanta was vetoed by Steve Belkin, a big player in their ownership mess. It’s also being reported that ownership is trying to pressure Knight into taking Yi at #3 over Horford. Go Atlanta owners!!! Please basketball gods let Yi and Conley go #3 and #4. Then ship Horford, Green, West and Ratliff to Minny, KG to Phoenix, Amare to Boston.

I moved to Atlanta a year ago and it boggles the mind to see ANYONE defend Billy Knight. (Few do.) After the seal-clubbing he’s taken for not taking Deron Williams or Chris Paul, Knight would be foolish not to take Conley at this point. But you just know he’ll take Yi or Horford. Although there really is a sense among some of us that he’s going to go with Conley. As young as he’d be with all the other youngs, you gotta get your point guards where you can, and it just doesn’t seem like he can package the 3 and 11 to get a vet. Some think Conley might last till 11; I don’t see it.
Danny NEEDS to take Conley if he’s available, even if it makes the Rondo move look that much worse. (Which it shouldn’t. I like Rondo; I just like Conley more.)
You can just feel Danny itchy on that trade trigger finger!

if we ended up with horford at 5 do u think MInnasota would take horford,Geen,Wally,gomes and theo for KG and Hudson, I would do that in a heartbeat i think

Horford at 5 would be big. Can’t see Memphis not taking Horford at 4 though.

Then ship Horford, Green, West and Ratliff to Minny, KG to Phoenix, Amare to Boston.

Took the words right out of my mouth. Who would have thought Amare would be available? Could you imagine PP, Al and Amare as our Big 3????

I seriously doubt that Atlanta passed on Amare but if they did (and if they draft Yi), this decision would have more to do with business and less to do with basketball.

So many of these “late hour” rumors have no substance and appear ridiculous on face value. I wonder if they are conjured up in the hopes of “making news” instead of the media sticking to honestly “reporting the news”.

Conley is worth 10 wins all by himself to any lotto team that drafts him. He makes everyone better. Blue chipper.

Atlanta team is a joke for Passing on a chance at Amare, not that Horford isn’t gonna be good but Amare!!, seriously, The Hawks need to see a shrienk .

Brick likes Conley? I’ve never heard that before.

I just want Yi or Horford coming out of this draft. Whether or not that’s possible anymore, I don’t know, but these new reports could just be more posturing by the Hawks to create action for their pick. If only we hadn’t dropped to 5th in the draft and have to deal with all this uncertainty…

Ray Allen is not the answer for this team. Hope that was passed by Danny. Heck of a player, but not what we need.

RE: Wallace in Memphis. He is making the pick for the Grizzlies.

I would be ecstatic if Horford somehow fell to #5, though I could see the Grizzlies drafting Horford then the Celtics drafting Brewer, and trading Brewer and #32 for Horford.

I’ve been waiting for those words to be said by an insider in ‘The Biz’ for the longest time now: “Horford. Could. Slip.”

Brewer, Conley, Hoford or Yi, we are guaranteed a choice of a couple of these guys. I’ll be satisfied with any of the above based on Danny’s thinking of draft picks available.

wow i was happy they kept the pick so we could grab brewer. i don’t want horford. i’m praying memphis takes him. i would actually be happier with yi.

So is Amare available?! What are we doing messing around with KG and Marion rumors when Amare is available?! The 3 and the 11 isn’t that huge of a package. Maybe Theo, 5, a future first and a young not named Jefferson or Rondo can get Amare here.

THAT would be an amazing deal. I would be so effing happy.

Oh damn. I didn’t know it was the three way with Minny that they were talking about. Crap. I still wish we could work our way in there somehow to get Amare without giving up Jefferson.

If Amare is available Danny should offer Jefferon for him. Amare is twice the player that Al is.

If they Hawks continue at this pace, and the Amare deal doesn’t go through, and they end up not taking Horford (and not even taking Conley!) they could potentially screw up four or five times before we even get on the clock.

Is Danny even considering Conley at #5? He didn’t have a workout with the C’s. I’m sure Danny has seen enough of Conley but I’ve never heard Danny mention Conley. I think if Yi & Horford are both off the board you have to strongly consider drafting Conley. He is one of only a few players that other teams would like to trade up for. Even if you can’t move him you’d have Conley and Rondo for years with combo Delonte. You’re going to need at least three good guards anyway. I think too much is being built upon the C’s needing to go big but you have to look at what’s in front of you first, and I would be disappointed if Yi & Horford were gone but ecstatic if they picked Conley. It’s all about options.

Does Conley have a lot of relatives in the Boston area? He certainly isn’t a top 5 talent and he doesn’t fit a need. Why would we draft him when there will be so many players who do fit those characteristics?

I love Conley. Don’t think we have a chance to see him in a C’s uni though. Has a big brain.

I dont understand the hype with Brewer. He’s rail thin, he was alright for his career, and he got swatted big time by Oden in his last game. Ever hear him speak? He makes Rocky Balboa sound like a Rhodes Scholar. I just think this guy is dumb as dirt, and we already have enough of those guys on the C’s.

So in summary, I hope the C’s take Conley or Yi. Horford is a punk.

I just have feeling Atlanta is going to screw things up and if Brewer to Memphis is legit (thank you Chris Wallace!)then we luck out with Horford. Wow!! According to Bulpett now Brandan Wright is back on the radar too. It looks the word for the day is size. Thats ok with me.

Horford’s a safe pick, I’d be fine with that. But if we could get Amare in a three way, without giving up Al, now that would be a draft day to remember.

Cooldude5t5 said:
  If Amare is available Danny should offer Jefferon for him. Amare is twice the player that Al is.

I don’t think you saw the Phoenix game where Al Jeff totally frustrated Amare, who couldn’t guard Al. With that said I would love to see Amare on the C’s, but not at the cost of Al or Perk.

This whole KG rumor story is incredible, as in not credible. KG is scheduled to make $24MM next year. Why would anybody take him so they can be the next TWolves? Listen up Danny.
Why would Suns trade Amare making 14MM, 24 year old stud 1st team all NBA, for Garnett? Thats crazy.
And why would Atlanta say no to #3 and #11 for Amare. This story has no legs.

This story isn’t ending tonight, its just begining. Any one of 6 choices could be with Boston after tonight. And not with the team in October. Horford or Conley could slip, Yi, Brewer, or Green could be the choice, or even Thornton if he trades down. Everything really hinges on what his impression of Yi is, because chances are, he’ll be there.

Or Perk? Come on.

The more of these rumors I hear the more I think my “crazy” trade could work.

Bobcats outgoing

Adam Morrison, Raymond Felton, #8

Bobcats incoming

Shawn Marion, Sebastian Telfair

Timberwolves outgoing

Kevin Garnett

Timberwolves incoming

Theo Ratliff, Raja Bell, Marcus Banks, #5 #8 #29

Suns outgoing

Amare Stoudemire, Shawn Marion, Marcus Banks, Raja Bell #24 #29

Suns incoming

Kevin Garnett, Paul Pierce, Ryan Gomes

Celtics Outgoing

Paul Pierce, Sebastian Telfair, Theo Ratliff, Ryan Gomes, #5

Celtics Incoming

Amare Stoudemire, Adam Morrison, Raymond Felton, #24

Well that would create 4 new teams in the NBA

VT Bill said:
Why would Suns trade Amare making 14MM, 24 year old stud 1st team all NBA, for Garnett?

I believe he may have some baggage.

HAHAHAHA. I choked on my coffee when I read that. The Celtics could get their choice of Conley or Horford. They might as well have had the number three pick. The two most NBA ready players after Oden will still be there at five.

I think that the people in Atlanta are afraid of Amare’s knees. He is going to want max money in his next contract but I think people wonder whether he will still be elite into his late 20s and early 30s with his knee issues.

The most NBA ready player in this draft is Tiago Splitter.

VT Bill,

There is talk that Amare doesn’t get along with Nash or the coach in Pheonix. That combined with his knees make Garnett an attractive option.

Maybe Brick, but Tiago can’t play next year because he is under contract in Europe, so I don’t think he counts.

Sean Willams anyone?

Say they draft Conley @ 5, trade Rondo to Atlanta for #11 and draft Sean Willams.

I would love Sean Williams, I think he would fit really well with Al downlow. And I am not as worried about his problems. A lot of NBA players has issues and I dont think Williams’ are that bad. I also read somewhere that he got 1280 on his SATs, which is pretty good for a college basketball player, so I am hoping he is smart enough to straighten up.

I think Williams is going to get drafted in the teens. If I was Ainge I would really think about packaging our 2nd round pick and maybe Delonte West to move up and take Williams.

Brick,

Assuming Splitter COULD come to the NBA this next season, what do you mean by being the most NBA ready? Do you think he would have the biggest impact, or do you mean be the closest to his own potential? There just doesn’t seem to be the buzz about him, and most rate him 12-15 in pure talent. I’ve never seen him play, but he’s compared to PJ Brown, and, while good, isn’t team changing.
All in all, one of the teams with multiple picks will probably get good value in low 20’s

I dont know who is worse, the Hawks for shooting down that deal, or the Suns for even THINKING about trading Amare S……the Celtics should MOST DEFINITELY see if they can offer something for Amare, especially knowing the Suns want to get into the top 10…Horford would be a safe pick if he slipped, but i cant see that happening……. Im surprised of all the Celtic fans lovin on Conley all the sudden….Ainge said right around the lottery that they are not looking for a point in this draft, and someone on this board mentioned he didnt even work him out…I think Ainge loves Rondo, and he’s all set with him….

My draft board:
Horford
Yi
Conley

I think we know who the other two players to be drafted are so 3 is all you need.

hahah, I knew it. They’re gonna take Yi at 3 so they can make some more money! hahah.

This is fantastic news because now Danny has actual leverage. If Minnesota wants to deal KG, they have to do a three way. We’re the third team.

Danny: call up the Lakers, and get Bynum and Odom in exchange for KG and Gomes [if need be] to the Lakers, and the 5th, 19th, Kwame Brown, Theo, and Green to Minnesota. Do it!!!!

If Horford falls past Atlanta, there’s a 0% chance Memphis will pass on him. Our beloved ex-GM Mr. Wallace can do whatever he wants to convince them otherwise (and I would certainly root for him), but Horford is the consensus 3rd best player in the draft right now, and the Griz have been high on him since day 1.

Then again, crazier things have happend. If we end up with Horford, we should consider ourselves exceedingly lucky.

If Phoenix is trying to move Amare for salary reasons, then I sincerely hope that Danny is making some serious phone calls. If there’s anyway we could work something out without giving up Al, that would be amazing.

Saying that Tiago Splitter is the most NBA ready player in this draft is an absolute joke. We’ll leave Oden’s defensive presence, Durant and Thorton’s lethal scoring ability, and Horford’s all-around polished game out of this, simply for the sake of length. By all accounts, Splitter is still extremely raw on the offensive end and possesses no ability whatsoever to create for himself. From what I’ve read, he’s a high energy guy, which certainly does make him more able to contribute sooner, so I get that. But seriously? If you were given the chance to have anbody on your team from this draft for one year and one year only, you would take Tiago Splitter? Because that’s what being the “most NBA ready” means to me. Even if you measure it as a function of fulfilled potential or ability to step into their role immeadiately, nearly everyone would rank the two Al’s (Thorton and Horford) ahead of him. Brick, you know what you’re talking about usually, so don’t waste our time with silliness like that.

Phoenix is trading Amare because Nash is 33 and they have two or three more years to win a championship. KG matches up with Duncan and plays far better defense than Amare, along with the fact that he’s better on offense. KG is the only player in the league they would trade him for and it’s only because of Nash’s window, THAT is why he’s available.

Also, Sean Williams is the most overrated player in the draft. He’s one of the most athletic players, but he can’t guard his own man. He’s weak and gets pushed around. He’s a great weak side defender, but he’ll get his lunch eaten by 4s and 5s in the NBA. He also has NO offensive game. He can catch an alley-oop but that’s about it. There’s also NO WAY in hell that he got a 1280 in his SATs. Trust me I’ve had class with him.

ps – so trading a bunch of young talent to Phoenix for Stoudemire isn’t reasonable.

The only way Sean Williams got a 1280 was if he was smoking the weed that Method Man and Redman smoked in How High.

I don’t believe any of that KG/Amare stuff. If McHale is creating this complicated 3 way/4 way deals because he doesn’t want Amare Studemire, he needs a new line of work.

TrueGreen,

You wouldn’t give up Perk for Stoudemire? Seriously. Perk seems like a nice guy. He’s got some hustle and some muscle. But he’s had maybe a half dozen better than average games so far. Meanwhile, Stoudemire is ALL FRIGGIN’ NBA.

Brick, be honest: How much have you actually seen Tiago Splitter play? I mean, what are you basing that statement on? Some YouTube clips? If you’ve seen him play full games, where are you watching these games? I try like hell to get game footage of these forign guys, and all I come up with is mix videos on YouTube.

On the subject of Youtube videos, remember the mancrush we all had on Sarunas last year. We lost out on the sweepstakes for him. He looked amazing over in Isreal. He won Euro league championships. He made guys over there look like fools. What has he done in the NBA? Benn trade filler. I fear Splitter, for all he’s been hyped over the last 3-4 years or so in pre-draft talk, will end up like Saras.

we’re almost there. if horford is at 5, he’s ours, still unlikely. atlanta is throwing danny a loop if they take yi. if they do we either trade down or take a fla boy- noah or brewer. or green. green is probably very good but what worries me is that he’s doc’s boy, and i don’t trust doc. if we take conley i think a trade is into portland. i hope for aldrich and pray it’s not randolph.