Ray Allen Offered

For Theo and Delonte? Yes

Foe Theo and #5? No thanks.

interesting… im not interested in him, but interesting…. why can’t we get offers like that from players we want?

For Szczerbiak instead of Ratliff? Allen and WW duplicate each other’s talents.

Hhhmmm… another wing player!!! Just WHAT we need…

I do this deal, but ask for a 2nd rounder in return.

Then I do all that I can to get Sean Williams, who literally has top 5 talent.

I’d do that trade. The draft, even this years, is always a 50/50 crapshoot. The Celtics could win the division with Pierce/Allen/Jefferson. I wouldn’t be surprised if Ainge squeezed Swift out of them. A 7 footer who likes to get dirty would help the Celtics.

If they’re going to trade for a vet, that ain’t a bad trade. At least the Celtics would be spending 12mil on a guy who actually plays.

hmm. i agree with Hondo to rondo..

This is exactly the same thing the Celtics will be doing in a year with Pierce if they don’t trade PP now. And, as in Seattle’s case, there will be very few takers.

IMHO Sam Presti’s best bet is the Lakers, but in that case he’d have to take back more salary.

Sean Williams will go in the first round.

Isn’t there a league rule preventing us from having Ray Allen and Allen Ray on the same team. If not, there probably should be.

No chance at all of this one happening, IMO.

Ray Allen makes too much money and is too old. I wouldn’t take him straight up in exchange for Theo, never mind adding in the #5.

You simply can’t blow $40 million in salary on two wing players if you expect to contend in this league (Pierce, Ray Allen)

If they took Wally and maybe Telfair (they need a PG if Ridnour is moved) then the experiment might be acceptable – but folks, we are really, really, really going to be in some salary trouble in a couple of years because of Paul’s contract, we just can’t take on a salary like Ray Allen’s – if we do, then say goodbye to several of Tony Allen, West, Green, Gomes.

We’re better of developing Delonte or Gerald at that position and add some size to the frontcourt with whatever money we spend.

Well said Albin.

There is a league cap on the number of over 30 2-guards making obscene amounts of money.

very well said Albin

We need to land the best shot blocker in the draft

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interesting offer, why can’t we get offers like this from better players. LOL maybe an Amare Stoudamire??

I really like Allen, but this just doesn’t make sense for the Celts. If they’d take Wally and return Swift, it makes it more appealing.

Personally, I just value that 5th pick too much. I think that Horford, Conley, Yi, Thornton, Green, etc. will be a huge long-term help to the Celts, at relatively little cap space.

Given that Wally has 2 years and Theo 1 year left on their deals, this organization has a chance to really get its house in order and add good players for its big $ contracts, instead of stiffs. It’s hard to compete when over 1/3rd of your cap space is eaten up by two players who are virtually worthless. Having 2 anchors on a franchise like that makes it difficult for any team to be a contender, if not making it impossible. The key to making this team a long-term contender, is shedding itself of guys like that and being aggressive and yet selective in adding new guys. I really do see the light at the end of the tunnel, but the Celts have to avoid the quick fix, and still have many important decisions to make, starting tonight.

If the Sonics throw in Swift, this would be worth considering. Ray Allen hasn’t lost a step.

Offer them Wally and a future first, lottery protected, and see what happens. If they say no, no big deal because: a.) we need size, not shooters; b.) we don’t need someone nearing the end who is payed a hefty sum.

I forgot to add: if they’re actually interested in moving him, we might be one of the few teams with the legitimate tools to get it done: salaries, draft picks, and young guys. We actually have a tiny bit of leverage, so Danny might as well play hardball. The worst case scenario is they say no and we don’t have to pay a 32 year old Jesus Shuttlesworth a truckload to sit on the bench injured.

I like Ray Allen alot, but I’m not giving up the #5 for him. He’s 32 (or will be this year), and is not the piece we need. We need someone with some height, or a vet PG. Even though Lewis is more of a 3, he at least is 6’10, and under 30. You can understand why the Sonics would perfer to move Allen and keep Lewis.

Less than 8 hours to go!

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how old was jordan when he won his last title? how old was pippen? i’m guessin over 35. allen only has 3 years left so he should still be a machine for those 3 years. if pierce can’t get along wit him then step him real quick

no deal to old to much money thats why they want to get rid of him

to paraphrase someone on another board I read, shooting ages well. Look at Reggie Miller, he was productive in an older age. I would Imagine that Ray Allens decline would be much more gentle than KG’s

No Deal Danny!

Absurd. No team wanst to carry a contract like Allen’s unless it is in contention. Seattle needs to lose him badly and has little leverage. How about Ray Allen and Bobby Swift for Theo, Telfair, Gerald Green and a 2008 no. 1?

Why do people always seem to want to give away Gerald… Honestly, this guy could be next years Al Jefferson (In terms of improvement of course). I want at least one more year to truly evaluate what Gerald brings to the table! At the very least, he is entertaining as hell to have on the court! I think he can do even more in year #3!

If Horford is gone I really think there’s a good chance the C’s take Noah or trade picks with the B-cats

Other teams know Danny might take an offer on a veteran so just they take the chance he will say yes even though this deal does not favor the Celtics. There are a few ways to go.
1. Draft our 2 picks and see what happens.
2. Trade 1 or 2 picks move up or down in the lottery.
3. See how the team works out and trade in Feb 2008.
4. Make a minor move and get a couple of role playing veterans
   in the league. Nocioni, Blake, Boykins, Maglore, Mihm, PJ Brown,
   Joe Smith, Vaughn to name a few.
5. Trade 32 and Theo for cap space for a restricted free agent.

Danny loves shooters. This has got me worried! Ugghh

Hughes for the record doesn’t think this deal was ever on the table, he has not been able to confirm it was offered. A host on the radio says a source told him that it was offered. Who knows.

Definitely we have to make whatever reasonable moves are necessary to make Paul Pierce happy: Lets trade him.

If you could do:

Trade #5 for Philly’s first two picks. Trade a first rounder and Wally for Ray Allen, then I’d be cool with it. The other thing is this deal still lets you make one more deal (say Wally, Gomes, West, Scal for AK47 and Fischer.)

Rondo / Fischer
Allen / Allen
Pierce / #32
AK47 / Williams
Jefferson / Perkins

That would be a pretty nice roster.

i love ray allen, but this deal makes no sense. the only way you pull the trigger on this is if you are on the verge of contending for a title and allen would put you over the top.

his age and contract make no sense for a team like the celtics who are not gonna be contending this season

Allen would be a perfect complement for Pierce, but the only way I give them the #5 pick is if the Sonics take BOTH Theo Ratliff and Wally Szczdjkdjkajkasjkasjkiaks contracts.

“If Horford is gone I really think there’s a good chance the C’s take Noah or trade picks with the B-cats”

Noah sucks, so hopefully that doesnt happen. There will be good players available at #5 if in fact Danny does keep the pick.

You have to make this deal. Allen is a bonafide all star and the team would be in title contention in the East. No, you can’t win with simply two wing players, but we do have a legitimate big man to build around down low. Jefferson would inflate Allen’s #‘s and vice versa. All you’re giving up is Theo Ratliff’s contract and the #5 pick? Come on. Allen hasn’t exactly declined in the last couple years. If anyone is that worried about contracts, Wally Sczerbiak suddenly becomes more expendable. The notion that all Allen does is shoot 3’s is also inaccurate.

Old UConn guy coming back to New England. Intriguing. He missed 26 games last year though. I know the Sonics -like the C’s – were tanking at the end, but still. He also takes 21 shots a game. That’s about 3 more shots per game than Pierce. Just wondering how well he would work with Pierce and Jefferson on the offensive end, which is Allen’s strength. He’s certainly not a defensive stopper.

He isnt by any means a selfish player. Seattle was terrible offensively last year, so the shots per game…as well as his points per game…were a bit inflated. I dont think either he or Pierce will have any trouble working together offensively.

Obviously, the big concern if this deal were to go through…other than age and health…would be the defense.

This is completely unrrelated, but I need to voice my frustration…

If we waste the 32nd pick on a big, useless Euro like Stanko Barac (as we are rumored to be doing), I will kill somebody. In a draft with this kind of depth, there are going to be a few quality players hanging around at 32. If the Celtics draft Zabian Dowdell, I will piss myself with glee. If they take Taurean Green, Demetris Nichols, or Glen Davis, I’ll be happy. If they take a big, slow, doofy guy who’s undoubtedly still dealing with the psychological trauma of being named Stanko, I will never forgive Danny Ainge.

I disagree gjohnson88

First, there is a chance (very slim) that someone like Splitter or Rudy Fernandez will slip into the second round. Fernandez is 21 years old and simply the best player in Europe, and Splitter is by far the best young big man in Europe. Along with Fernandez, Splitter may be the most NBA-ready player in this draft.

Second, there are some VERY good prospects in Europe, starting with two guys: Kopponen, a 19 year-old point guard, and Kyrylo Fesenko, a legitimate 7 footer who is suprisingly athletic and who is basically the same player as Noah. There is also Marc Gasol, another 7 footer who has less upside but more experience.

Third, there are some intruiging projects in Europe, starting with Joao Gomes, the Brazilian who has been playing Portugal and who has the same basic skillset as Dorell Wright. The Celtics worked him out this week. And my sources tell me that the Lithuanian Renaldis Sebiutis (I probably misspelled that) may be the best shooter in the draft.

So what’s wrong with leaving a guy in Europe and saving a little money as opposed to sending a guy to the developmental league?

Are you guys crazy? I’m tired of waiting for the Celtics to be good “in the future”. You have a chance to get the best pure shooter in the NBA for the #5 pick (which is surely not guaranteed to produce an all-star). We can contend for the Finals for the next 3 years with Pierce, Allen, and Jefferson. We have enough young guys. And you don’t want Ray Allen because you’re afraid you won’t be able to sing Tony Allen? Come on! Stop overrating the Celtics young players as we’ve always done. Tony Allen wouldn’t play on most good NBA teams.

Wally, #5 and ‘lonte would be a pretty good deal imo. I’d say if Theo’s contract was in the deal, but this is a no-brainer.

And what is this about how Ray Allen and Pierce would not be a good combo?? Says who?? They un-selfish players, that don’t live for the lime-lite. That in itself is great grounds for a combo-relationship.

Edit: “I’d say NO if Theo’s contract was in the deal” sorry

I’d probably make the Wally/5/Delonte trade. We’d need to find a backup PG though. But Rondo for Swift? Please tell me Ainge isn’t that stupid.

i agree with AdCam. let’s start putting some tangible value on players. maybe you roll the dice with one or two of these younger players in the “hope he pans out well” game, but with 4, 5 players?! naw… cash a few of them in for a guy who has tangible skill now. i was for the iverson deal, i was for the garnett deal, and now i’m for the ray allen deal. give me some TANGIBLE talent! upside is SO overrated.

The Sonics goal is to dump salary. Theres no way they dump 1 and take 2 huge ones back. I’d do it though. It makes for a way better team next year which is kinda the point right??? If we dump Szerbs, then the contracts negate each other. We would need a backup point though.

I like this move. By the way, it is Ian [/b]Thomsen [b], not Thompson!

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and i am the man! YEAH!!
sup with these questions?! YEAH!!
about my plans!! ROLE CALL!!!!

I hope they don’t trade Rondo. I think he could be their PG for the next 10 years. Him and Jefferson should be the only young guys they don’t look to trade.

Danny,

Please do not do this deal.

Oh my … this is the first deal I’ve heard that would force me to shut it down. I’d have to close up shop after 20 years of being a dedicated Celts Fan.

Don’t make me do it…please!

I wish these people who threaten to leave the C’s do so. We dont need fair weather fans in Celtic Nation.

Ray Allen, Tony Allen, and Alan Ray! Yay!!!

I’ve been a fan for more than 40 (almost 50) years. If this trade that ESPN reported as a “done deal” immediately before the Durant pick occurs, I will finally have had it. If true, this once proud franchise will be turning into the basketball equivalent of the Cubs except that they will be the not so lovable losers. Not since Curtis Rowe and Sidney Wicks will the Celtics have paired two so overrated players who, needing the basketball in their hands and having such a poor concept of team play, will kill all hope. To trade out of the lottery for a another overrated all star on the downside of his career will be a travesty.

The organization should be unloading Pierce not bringing in another overrated former all star.

They’ve traded the pick for the 32 year-old Pay Allen. Bye Delonte. What a useless, ridiculous band aid.

I gues Pierce is running the franchise. Good luck Paul. I’ll be in Toronto.

Brick, I know I’ve disageed with a lot of what you’ve said the last few days, but please save me a seat at the Air Canada Center.

Pierre71, we’re not “fair weather” fans. We’re fans who are baffled and repulsed by one moronic onwership and management decision after another and can’t bear to see the way a great franchise has been reduced to putrid waste. Using a term like “fair weather” fans is like saying anyone who disagrees with the president is unpatriotic. If you want to stand by and mindlessly cheer while this goes on, be my guest. You can have it. This team is perfect for people like you.

Here we go again: when your a Boston fan with old players you become a medical expert; ankles, knees, back, feet; the injuries will happen and the Globe wil report the findings and causes.

I just can’t beleive that in the best big man draft in dcades they traded out of it for a 30 something guy. I had supported Danny and Rivers moves all along, up till now when they choked on their pick.

I was out of this blog because it was too negative; I’m man enough now to say you are all correct; this Celitc administration is not championship driven; it has become “cover my behind” driven. they just achieved 1st to 2nd round knock out for the next 2 yers; congradulations.

Fair weather fan fits perfectly. You just keep jumping from frontrunner to frontrunner, I’ll stick with my C’s. I may not agree with everything but that does NOT make me less of a fan. And BTW if you disagree with the president on the war then you are for surrender and thus unpatriotic ;D

Why is this such a bad trade? People are killing it. You get a 26 ppg scorer to complement Paul Pierce. Yes he will be 32 in a month. Why is age so important? Michael Jordan won his first title at 30. Pierce will be 30 and Allen is 32- both of these guys are super hungry to win. I think this is a terrific move for Boston and anyone bashing this should be ashamed of themselves.

You got rid of Sczerbiak’s contract, still have Theo’s to peddle and kept Al Jefferson.

I think this is great and Allen will compliment Pierce very nicely.

This franchise is hopeless for the next three years. No one can defend a friggin chair. In four years, when Allen’s deal expires and Pierce only has a year remaining they can start rebuilding. Horrible, simply horrible.

I need time to digest this trade…. I’m not sure if I like it….getting rid of Wally is great…but adding Delonte and getting rid of the 5th pick….I don’t know….

I hope Danny has something else in the works

You guys do realize Ray Allen had a 54 point game last season and the highest scoring average of his career? Looking at half the comments here, he’s ready for the retirement home. We have Allen for the next 3 years, ages 32, 33, and 34. His contract turns into a huge asset in year 3, so if he degrades rapidly, it’s not like we are stuck with him forever.

We didn’t get killed on the money either. The money we’d be paying Delonte and Wally over the next two seasons is about 2 million less per year than Ray Allen’s salary. In year 3, we get killed, but the contract is an asset then!

The best big man draft in decades…. Yeah, and their names were Horford, Durant, and Oden. After that you have 19-26 year old Yi (6.2 ppg in the 2006 FIBA world chamionships) and unmotivated, skinny Brandan Wright.

Pierce now has his chance with a vet. I am wondering about salaries. Everyone is groaning about Ray Allens contract. How much is it? Its 3 yrs right. How much is wallys and delontes subtract?

I can’t believe people are so critical of this trade. The Celts didn’t give up any of their best players, and got possibly the best shooter in the game. Plus, Ray Allen’s a Reggie Miller type of player — he should be effective until his late 30s. He definitely has more than 3 years left.

I’m so sick of certain people on this site constantly claiming that they’re going to start following the Raptors, then continuing to hang around making inane comments.

Do you guys think that the Rashard Lewis for Theo trade is still a possibility or is that over with the trade of Allen?