Everyone Loves Theo and the Pick
Shopping season is upon us and Danny Ainge is looking to deal. He has two very attractive trading chips that are getting a lot of interest around the league.
Theo Ratliff may be the best expiring contract on the market. Not only can the owner of that contract shed $11.7M in salary at the end of this coming season (using just one roster spot), but they can collect millions in insurance money if he can't come back. A lot of teams want that contract.
This has long been touted as one of the strongest drafts in recent memory. Nobody is getting their hands on picks 1 or 2. Atlanta and Memphis have the next two picks and those teams both value the cheap talent they can get via the draft. So the 5th pick may be the highest pick for sale right now.
Another factor helping the value of that pick is the Mike Conley Jr. effect. Most rankings put him no higher than the 6th best prospect in the draft. The Hawks and Griz need point guards, but they might not be able to justify taking Conley that high. Picking him 5th is a lot more reasonable. The Bucks could lose Mo Williams to free agency, so it is possible Conley wouldn't last past that pick. Basically, any team in need of a point guard is looking at that 5 spot to get the best point guard in the draft at a reasonable value.
So by dangling Theo and the #5 pick, Danny is getting a lot of attention early on. However, it doesn't sound like things have gotten serious yet. Teams are fishing with lowball offers and putting out feelers to see how serious Ainge is in dealing.
Last week we heard Danny Ainge lamenting the fact that teams around the league are only looking for financial deals right now. "A lot of teams want to make deals that either free up money or cut their payroll just for cap or luxury tax reasons." I think he must have had Portland in mind when he made those comments. After winning the lottery, Portland is trying hard to offload serial knucklehead Zach Randolph. They reportedly have offered him to the Celtics for Theo Ratliff and the #5 pick. It wasn't reported how quickly Ainge hung up the phone, but I'm sure he must have muttered something unprintable about Telfair under his breath.
Another beauty had Isaiah Thomas trying to con us into giving them the #5 pick, Gerald Green, and Sebastian Telfair for Nate Robinson and David Lee. Now I like Lee as much as the next guy, but that trade offer is a joke. I hope that as the draft draws closer we'll see GMs get serious and start offering up some real value.
The latest scuttlebutt seems to be the Celtics talking with the Sonics about their bigs and perhaps a sign-and-trade for Rashard Lewis. Danny has long been linked to Robert Swift and he might be more available now that he's missed time with injuries. He's not worth the #5 pick by himself, but he could be worth picking up in a package deal. Or if Seattle wants a point guard we have Sebastian Telfair to offer in return.
Rashard Lewis is one of those types of All Star talent players that the Celtics would like to get in return for the #5 and Theo but that deal would be complex because they can't negotiate with him till July 1st (after the draft).
I'm sure the team would prefer to get a big man like Garnett, Gasol, or O'Neal, but if those guys aren't available (or sent to other teams as may be the case with O'Neal soon), then plan B might be to target some talented swing players like Lewis.
Another name to watch that is being bantered about on forums is Joe Johnson. If the Hawks want to shed salary and pick up a pick to get Conley without having to use the number 3 pick on him, then they might be willing to deal Johnson.
Of course, teams want Theo and the pick because they are indeed valuable. If the Celtics can't get decent value, they would be smart to hold onto them. They could use the extra cap space to resign Jefferson and other young players. They could use the pick to continue to add talent (rumors point to both Yi and Corey Brewer as the team's favorites). If the team takes the patient route, they may be able to offer up Wally Szczerbiack at the trade deadline when he'll have less than a year and a half left on his deal.
Then again, "patient" hardly describes the state of the Celtics right now. Ainge has proven over time that he'll make moves without worrying about what the fans think. However, he has to consider how Pierce will react if no immediate upgrades take place. The last thing they need is for Pierce to pull a Kobe. Pierce wants to win with the Celtics, but can you blame him for being tired of waiting? If you can put a winning team around Pierce, I would think that would be the primary goal of this offseason.
The Celtics are in a good position to field offers for the trade assets they have (which also include several young and talented players). Here's hoping that Danny can turn those assets into someone that will help Pierce and Jefferson make this team a contender. All we need is the right deal.
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Please, not Rashard Lewis. Joe Johnson could work. Does Robert Swift have any real potential of becoming as good as Al? He was picked in the same draft, no? And before Al no less. One fine of example of how sometimes it is best not to get what you hoped for.
by jurrasic earl on Jun 3, 2007 7:31 AM EDT reply actions
I watched a lot of College ball this season and last. I think Acie Law is the best point in the draft. I also think Corey Brewer doesn’t get drafted in the top 10. I can’t see any team wasting a top 10 pick on a guy that weighs less than 190 lbs. He’s a 2 guard that can’t shoot. Dime a dozen in the league.
by green18 on Jun 3, 2007 7:39 AM EDT reply actions
I think Ainge will trade down. If he stays at #5, he’ll take either B. Wright or Conley. With Conley he may be trying to see if the trade offers can be improved even after the draft. Other than those two I see him looking strongly at a Jeff Green or Julian Wright type. Noah if he trades down far enough.
You are right. We are in a great position to get a good deal done. I hope danny takes advantage.
This draft is going to be the most interesting for us in a long while. I dont see us in the lottery much after this year. However we need to make the most of this off season. I think more than one move will be necessary. We have very tradable peices, there is no excuse not to improve things this summer.
if we package 5 & Theo we better get at least 2 serious players….teams take “Bigs” and points first and we got one of each and pick 5 will have’m…we’re sitting pretty..YJL if we keep it,Thornton if we trade down-he can at least try to run with Lebron,Marion,Stoudamire types…gonna be fun and productive
Me also think Brewer is too high for no.5, im not that impressed with him as wings are quite easy to find in not so deep drafts. In fact, im more sold on Noah than Brewer, just imagine guys, just last year, had both Noah and Brewer come out, Noah is consensus no.1 pick and now everyone is so suddenly high on Brewer?…Yi would have been better and so does Wright at no. 5, trouble is if both are gone, ill roll the dice with Noah..He dropped his stock this year as he never was the focal point of Florida’s offense but lets b realistic here, do any of you guys think Florida would have won the tournament if not for Noah?
I agree with Sczerbiak at the trade deadline or after. We need to show he is healthy to increase his value.
Utah was very high on him at one point. I see him fitting anywhere that utilizes the halfcourt inside/outside game. Utah,Houston,LAC, NY.
I dont think he has any value right now, however like you said it is just a matter of time before his expiring contract makes him valuable.
I see him fitting anywhere that utilizes the halfcourt inside/outside game.
Sounds like the Boston Celtics with Pierce and Jefferson to me.
I don’t think any of the deals that have been rumored over the past month is the “right deal” and I have zero confidence in Ainge being able to make that deal.
Any deal that is made with the primary goal of preventing Pierce form “pulling a Kobe” is the wrong deal. The right deal is the one that puts this franchise on the path to a championship, however long and difficult that path is.
It will be interesting to see what happens in Los Angeles, where the real Kobe just pulled a Kobe. I predict that they will make a couple of band aid moves (Jermaine O’Neal), flail around for a year and a half, and then give up. They need a complete rebuild too, and the longer Kobe stays, the longer it will take to win another championship in La-La land.
Brewer might not be too high for the 5.. but Conley is benefiting a lot due to his position. I like Thornton, and like that Danny likes him too, he and Noah could both be available at 11 but… I find it hard to believe that ATL would trade JJ after paying the front end of his front loaded contract, trading those picks to PHX, and the whole ownership whole ownership phooey about it. Plus they give up another lottery pick? And if that can be done.. is Seattle really going to allow Lewis and Swift for the same type of package? but of those guys create logjams at the 2-3 again,(good problem to have) and only cause we would need to find minutes for West and Tony who would have to be on the floor with that kind of lineup for when the other team goes small, or simply defense. Marion could fit, if PHX is another of the “luxary tax” teams and wants what they could have got if the lottery went differant..
A move is necessary indeed, another season not being a playoff team will have been too long. I haven’t lost my patience yet, but have been moving right to left pretty fast since the last month or so of the season.
This draft will be a good one, but there are ways to have a very productive one without having to add another rookie.
winbos said:
“Just curious what moves would you make Brick?”
Well I think most people are getting sick and tired of hearing them.
But once again, my ideal plan would be:
1. Trade Pierce to Utah for Kirilenko and #25.
2. Trade Ratliff and Rondo to Denver for Marcus Camby and Reggie Evans.
3. Trade Ryan Gomes and cash to Phoenix for pick #24 and filler.
4. Select Mike Conley,Jr. with pick #5.
5. Select the best players available with picks 24-25-32. Or bundle picks to move up. The players I covet in the second half of the first round are Tiago Splitter and Rudy Fernandez. I also want a 2009 first round pick from a team that might be in the lotto.
Ainge won’t do anything resembling that, of course.
I like Brickowski’s ideas too. Maybe we can write/vote him into office
by jurrasic earl on Jun 3, 2007 9:15 AM EDT reply actions
I would do the rumored deal with Atlanta: Ratliff and #5 to Atlanta for Joe Johnson and #11. But I would use #11 on Tiago Splitter, not Al Thornton. I think you could get a player almost as good as Thornton with pick #32.
And I think that, whatever else happens, the owners must be willing to pony up the cash to buy pick #24 from the Suns.
Well, I’m just not as high on Rondo as either the Celtics brass or most posters here. Aside from his shooting issues, I think he’s too erratic. Now I could be wrong, and Rondo certainly has a high ceiling if he gets it together. I love Rondo’s defense.
But I love Mike Conley more, and if you are going to play Conley 35 minutes, what’s the point of keeping Rondo? I’d rather keep West, who might very well be the starting sg.
I think it is arrogant and irrational that Ainge isn’t even bringing Conley in for a workout.
Change West instead of Rondo and I am all for that deal brick.
by alexham2k2 on Jun 3, 2007 9:54 AM EDT reply actions
I would not trade Pierce. I would draft the best athlete available. I would trade for a veteran to fill a need or an all around quality player. If I did anything with the pick it would be to move higher in the draft, preferably to three. Atlanta has 5 pg’s and Joe Johnson who plays pg. None of these will take them anywhere so they might want Conley. Memphis has no credible pg so they may also want Conley. Thus, I would try to work something out with Atlanta such as agreeing to pick for each other. I think Rondo is a pg we can move forward with. Part of the deal would be to get Tyronn Lue who would be a good back up point. He’s a veteran, probably not of the highest quality, but he can help this team.
So we pick Conley at #5 for Atlanta and Atlanta picks the player we want. Since Atlanta is always selling off players we might be able to get Joe Johnson for Ratliff and some non core players to make up any salary differences. In summary one deal that would work:
1. we trade #5 for #3 (We chose Conley, Jr) at #3
2. we send Ratliff, Scals and Telfair to Atlanta
3. we get Joe Johnson and Lue from Atlanta]
4. we then send Conley to Altanta for who Atlanta picks at five.
This works on Real GM trade checker. We get the player from the draft that we want (pending Memphis not screwing this up), we get a veteran backup point of fair quality and Joe Johnson. Atlanta gets a supposedly quality guard for the future and salary relief from Ratliff. They get a young pg at a low price. They do lose JJ, but they are not going anywhere with him. With JJ we also get alot of flexibility in making other trades.
DA has to make the best deal with the primary focus being on the best interest of the organization and NOT Paul Pierce. There is no doubt that Pierce has been a true warrior, but like other players around the league he seems to forget he is an employee of the Celtics .
Bottom line the direction that the organization chooses to take is NOT his call.
by DAS on Jun 3, 2007 10:21 AM EDT reply actions
It is not possible to get on the championship track while Pierce is still here. He’s a great player but he’s too old. When Jefferson is 27, pierce will be 35.
They need to move Pierce for younger assets. Until they do, they are just treading water, just as Detroit was treading water when they had Grant Hill or Philly was treading water when they had Iverson. That’s not a knock on Pierce, it’s just the way it is.
It’s also the best way to keep Pierce from holding the franchise hostage by threatening to pull a Kobe. The trades that may be best for Pierce (at least in his view) are not necessarily the best moves for the Celtics.
Tiago Splitter couldn’t get a team to pick him in the top “15” rounds of prior WEAK drafts and he’s more likely to go early 2nd round than first round. I see no reason to like him other than his size. He underperforms for a 7’ player and his game hasn’t shown much improvement since age 16. Advising that Tiago be taken before Thornton only indictes that you ought to leave the drafting to Ainge, Brick. And for the blogger that wondered if Thornton could keep up with Nash et. al., Thornton has freakish athleticism and is more than a match for Phoenix’s speed.
Conley has looked good in college in large part because of the supporting cast that he had to work with. I believe he has been over-rated in what appears to be a weaker PG draft when compared to SGs, SFs and PFs. I like our drafting/trading options if Atlanta and Portland feel compelled to draft Conley. We have our own budding talent at that position already. What bloggers are forgetting is that Rondo was performing at the NBA level while Conley was performing at the collegiate level and Conley had a better supporting cast (at the collegiate level) than Rondo had (at the NBA level….basically raw bench players). Who wouldn’t be erratic in that situation?
by moskqq on Jun 3, 2007 10:27 AM EDT reply actions
green 18 said:
“I watched a lot of College ball this season and last. I think Acie Law is the best point in the draft. I also think Corey Brewer doesn’t get drafted in the top 10. I can’t see any team wasting a top 10 pick on a guy that weighs less than 190 lbs. He’s a 2 guard that can’t shoot. Dime a dozen in the league.”
I agree with this. I think Acie Law is the better PG in this draft. He has more size than Conely and is better floor general.
I agree with Brick’s idea of getting Splitter. I think that guy steps in and immediately becomes the starting center. He has great size and is a bruising defender. We’d be set at center for years with Splitter and Perk.
The issues Splitter had in the past (and has now) are due to his lack of a buyout clause. Whoever drafts him will likely have to wait a year. He has a $1M buyout that kicks in next year.
If it were not for that, Splitter would have stayed in last year and would have been a top 5 pick.
Did you guys see Varejao getting every rebound and outhusting the Pistons last night? Well, Splitter is far more skilled than Varejao. Just wait until he gets into the league.
As for Conley, you just can’t measure court vision, poise and leadership skills in workouts. I predict that Conley will be a blue chipper and (barring injury) will be better than Rondo from the moment Conley hits an NBA floor.
Brick; let’s agree to remember your last statement….that Conley will be a more effective PG than Rondo…the minute he steps on an NBA floor….
by moskqq on Jun 3, 2007 10:46 AM EDT reply actions
I can see the Noah comparison to Varejao but I fail to see the Splitter/Varejao comparison. It’s like comparing the turtle to the hare…….Tiago was never serious considered a top “10” draft pick let alone a top “5” pick and those were lean draft years.
by moskqq on Jun 3, 2007 10:51 AM EDT reply actions
Rondo had a very impressive rookie season from my viewpoint, and he and DWest are very capable, if not terrific at PG. Conley has done nothing to make me want to rethink the position, although I don’t doubt he’ll be fine, but its way too early to put him in Deron Williams/Chris Paul class.
I like the Kirilenko idea, and I like getting Camby, but I don’t want both of them. If we trade Pierce for Kirilenko, we could draft whoever Ainge thinks is the best player at 5, and with 25 & 32 draft a big man and a PG. If Ainge is going to keep PP and Wally, he’s gotta go big.
Getting Joe Johnson and #11 for #5 and Theo would be great
If Portland actually offered Zach Randolph for Theo and the #5 – unless Danny plans on taking a point guard, ie Mike Conley Jr. at #5 – you’d HAVE to make that trade.
Randolph is a 25 year old forward who put up 23 pts. and 10 rebounds a game last year AND shot over 80% from the free throw line. To put that in perspective:
PPG RPG
Zach Randolph 23.6 10.1
Eddie Curry 19.5 7.0
Jermaine O’Neal 19.4 9.6
Pau Gasol 20.8 9.8
Shaquille O’Neal 18.8 8.5
Emeka Okafor 14.4 11.3
Yao Ming 25.1 10.3
Carlos Boozer 23.5 12.2
Kevin Garnette 22.4 12.8
Defensively, YES, he’s a liability, but he still averaged more blocks a game than Carlos Boozer, he has a MUCH better assist to turnover ratio than Yao Ming (and most post players in the NBA for that matter), and I can’t stress this enough he’s ONLY 25.
We’re talking about a top tier power forward in the NBA who probably hasn’t reached his prime. Who of the big men available to us in the draft are going to put up numbers like that? Noah? Wright? Jin? Horford?
The number #5 is only as valuable as the players it can acquire and here we have an NBA PROVEN veteran reportedly being offered for it, who happens to be better than any forward who’ll still be around at that pick. I don’t see how you pass that up, unless you’re not planning on going big (maybe Danny wants Mike Conley Jr.).
If the only real knock on him is his character I’m interested to see the stories of evil deeds that this post illicits since, to date, I can’t recall Randolph ever being suspended from a game, fueding with a coach, making trade demands, or getting arrested.
The only questionable behavior I recall hearing about involved Randolph riding passenger in a speeding car where the police found firearms. The police later found the firearms were legally registered and that Randolph had a license to carry concealed weapons, so no charges were brought.
Finally, if Jefferson had to be the forward to move out to the elbow and punish defenses with his 15-18 footer couldn’t he make that transition? I say yes.
Your thoughts?
by IDreamCeltics on Jun 3, 2007 11:22 AM EDT reply actions
I don’t get why everyone is so high on Conley he isn’t going to be any better than a average point guard at the next level, if that. Brewer is going to be the surprise that comes out of this draft as he is already a lock down defender and his offense is going to surprise people!
by IBleedCelticGreen on Jun 3, 2007 11:57 AM EDT reply actions
The #5 and Theo’s contract are indeed valuable, why would we want to trade them? We have several young players who are going to require extensions soon, and Al Jefferson is a max contract player.
We should simply keep Theo and let him expire. What we should be looking at is dealing Pierce and Wally for shorter money, picks and prospects.
I have been promoting Pierce for Odom, Bynum for quite some time… Peter May, I think proposed the same deal sometime this past year, and now Indiana is rumored to be thinking of J.O. for that same package. When I told Wyc about the deal last summer, he said “It’s terrible” .. it’s doubtful he’s changed his mind.
1. Pierce, Telfair for Odom, Bynum
2. Let Ratliff expire
3. Wally, Tony Allen for Ron Artest, John Salmons
4. Use #5 on your player of choice
Jefferson, Odom, Artest, West, Rondo
If Artest doesn’t cooperate, then just ship him out of town… low risk.
by Albin on Jun 3, 2007 12:04 PM EDT reply actions
Oh lord Albin, are you trying to make the Celtics worse?
On a different note, wouldn’t it be nice to draft a guy like Joe Johnson in the draft….oh …wait.
by Bleedgreen on Jun 3, 2007 12:14 PM EDT reply actions
Brick for GM!
Seriously, Brick is one of the few here that evaluates our own talent soberly. Rondo can’t shoot (and something as broken as his shot cannot be fixed), so either Conley or Law will better players from the moment they touch the parquet. And Gomes has no position in this league (not only because of his size — he also lacks athleticism).
That said, I don’t think I’d pick Conley over Law. Wright and Horford will be gone. Is Yi soft? No doubt he has top-tier talent, but is he a gamer?
“Call Mr. Lee.”
This is going to get me called a lot of nasty names.
If the Knicks are indeed offering David Lee for the #5, Gerald Green, and Sebastian Telfair, the Celtics should take the deal. Here’s why.
I put a lot of stock in the analysis of sports economist David J. Berri. He’s the guy who got into all that hot water when he said Iverson not only wasn’t the best player in the league, he wasn’t even the best player on the 76ers. (His prediction that Iversonâ€â"¢s impact on the Denver Nuggets would be something less than titanic seems to have been borne out.)
Berri has found that scoring is typically overvalued in terms of its value for winning. His formulae smooth things out statistically and generate an individual “win score” for each player that correlate to a team’s actual wins within a MOE of about 5%. That’s pretty good.
Berri has put together his list of most productive players last season according to his statistical analysis (http://www.wagesofwins.com/RookieStar.html). Those favoring a trade for Rashard Lewis or Joe Johnson, though, will be disheartened to know neither crack the top 30 most productive. (Celtics fans will be happy to know that Rajon Rondo was actually the most productive rookie.)
Who is? David Lee at number 18. More productive than Chauncey Billups, Amare Stoudemire, Gilbert Arenas, and even, gulp, Dwayne Wade.
Moreover, Berri’s analysis confirms and quantifies something we all assume: players (on average) get more productive as they get older. Much more productive. http://www.wagesofwins.com/ExpProd.html.
So, what does this all mean?
Well, Berriâ€â"¢s analysis of the Celtics shows Gerald Green has been one of the LEAST productive players in the NBA. http://www.wagesofwins.com/Boston78.html. “But he’s YOUNG!” He is indeed. But the numbers show that Green is, in fact not only significantly less productive than the average third year NBA player, but also that, with a NEGATIVE win score, Green is actually a LIABILITY when he’s on the court. In other words, he makes it more difficult for the Celtics to win.
Now, one of the few players in the NBA who is LESS productive than Green is Sebastian Telfair. If I’m remembering correctly, Telfair was actually the third last productive PG in the NBA (after Smush Parker and someone else I can’t recall).
The number five pick? There are some nice college players who’ll be available at #5. They all have one thing in common, though. None of them has played or won even ONE NBA game. It is EXTREMELY unlikely that one of them will turn out to be one of the 18 most productive NBA players.
So basically, we’re getting rid of two of the worst players in the league and a very low chance that a college player may become one of the top players in the league, for one of the 18 most productive players in the NBA right now who will likely only get better and better in the coming years.
This is exactly the kind of deal youâ€â"¢d expect Isaiah Thomas to make, given his track record. Sadly, it’s also exactly the kind of deal youâ€â"¢d expect Danny Ainge to refuse, given his.
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by p_dawg on Jun 3, 2007 12:22 PM EDT reply actions
It’s quite a sobering experience to realize that we all see the same games (in the main) and that contrary to popular opinion, we somehow see things differently. I watch football too and tend to concentrate on line play or the key block that sprung a running back for a large gain. I guess I watch basketball in a somewhat similar fashion.
I’ve seen Brewer play and apparently missed quite a bit when I read that opposing teams feared him the most because of his athleticism and the fact that he could beat you in so many different ways. There may be more to his game that I missed, but those are the elements that help make an impact player. He’s not alone on the underappreciated list of players in this draft. When I look at Tiago Slitter’s game I don’t see a deep pool of talent but rather a very shallow pool.
I’m reluctant to once again accept p_dawg’s conclusions based on Beri’s analysis but this could be just another example that I’m one of those blogger’s that focuses on the wrong things. Or it could also mean that Berri doesn’t give proper weight significance to the “intangibles” that some of us consider important.
This site opens closed minds and I did appreciate the valuable insight that p_dawg’s comments have given me. While I may still be stubborn in my own opinions, he has shaken the tree of firm belief. There actually may be another opinion besides my own, especially since so many sit on opposite sides of the fence regarding NBA potential and player rankings.
by moskqq on Jun 3, 2007 1:32 PM EDT reply actions
In consideration of the foregoing statements and in my “humble” ….not so humble opinion, Conley is not a top “5” talent and may not even be a top “10” talent in this draft. Tiago Splitter is not a top “15” talent in this draft either and we’ve seen more of his play than most of the rest.
The NBA game is faster paced with better athleticism than either the college or foreign leagues. Player’s that find great success because of their better athleticism or size instead of all-around talent and high basketball IQ discover the NBA a much tougher stage to perform on.
by moskqq on Jun 3, 2007 1:46 PM EDT reply actions
If David Lee is that productive, why doesn’t Isiah trade him straight up for Amare Studemire/Gilbert Arenas/ Dwayne Wade, since he’s more productive than any of them. The reason is, nobody would be talk to him, and neither will Ainge. Stas are great for fantasy basketball, but the real game is played on the court
I really like Rondo. I don’t know how successful Conley is going to be especially as a freshmen. That is a big leap. If this team is going to want to compete, I think Law is a better fit for the C’s. JMO ;D
by alexham2k2 on Jun 3, 2007 2:07 PM EDT reply actions
If we trade Ratliff and bring on another contract, the Celtics’ owners are going to have to get used to paying the luxury tax, at least for one year, or it means that Al Jefferson isn’t going to be re-signed. Until the owners show the commitment to see the Green in the playoff even if it means they are in the red, I wouldn’t bet on Ratliff getting dealt for anyone.
Brick gets my vote for GM as well.
First of all, I don’t think it is unreasonable to expect Pierce to sit tight and be a good soldier. This guy is not a transcendent HOF talent a la Kobe or LeBron, and no one forced him to sign on to a losing proposition for 20 million per. If Gilbert Arenas or Ray Allen made as much noise as Pierce does about some supposed right to play for a championship, people on this board would slam them unmercifully. At this point, Pierce is a mistake the Celtics need to overcome. If he demands a trade, it is likely his agent will find little interest, and like Pau Gasol before him, Pierce will learn the value in keeping one’s mouth shut. Sadly, he will probably be a Celtic for the remainder of his contract and be the subject of the most divisive jersey-retiring ceremony in the history of the franchise.
As for Theo’s contract, the value of these expiring contracts is largely overblown. When was the last time anyone moved an expiring deal for anything significant? This year the Bulls had PJ Brown, the Magic had Grant Hill, and neither were able to net them anything (and unlike the celtics, these teams have competent GM’s with a plan to win). Theo and #5 is only as inherently valuable as the #5, and that’s not enough to land us Garnett or O’Neal or Gasol, the only players out there who help us right away.
And Rashard Lewis? My God. What is the point anymore? This either pushes Pierce to the SG where he cannot guard anyone, or forces us to go small all the time with RL, PP, AJ, DW, RR (note, a lineup featuring 3 players that need the ball at all times to be effective). And Wally gets $11 million to come off the bench? Plus, assuming Rashard puts us in Luxury Tax territory, where does that leave us with extending Big Al? We have the most promising big man in the east not named Dwight Howard, and somehow we can lowball him into signficiantly sub-max dollars?
The franchise is imploding. We are really not much better off than the Knicks. Go Portland.
by George Meyer on Jun 3, 2007 4:21 PM EDT reply actions
Patience and time may get us Randolph after the draft without giving up the # 5 pick. Portl;and will want to off load randolph regardless of Mike conley’s whereabouts. it would be too much to offer up the b#5 pick when he hcan be had for less later. too better three way trades could be developed after the draft since i for one would prefer somone else tha Zach Randolph in a celtic Uniform.
by Freeease1 on Jun 3, 2007 5:25 PM EDT reply actions
Re George Meyer; Ratliff’s expiring contract may be quite different than that of PJ Brown or Grant Hill. Provided Theo can’t play again, his $11,666 contract comes WITHOUT CHARGE because insurance pays the bulk of that contract. Theo’s contract does indeed represent a unique circumstance where a team can acquire a large contract without cost! In some ways it’s more valuable (to a cost conscious team) than the #5 pick. It does represent enticing value.
by moskqq on Jun 3, 2007 5:39 PM EDT reply actions
Good article – and the fact that we do have the chance to bring back a good player via the pick and/or Theo, it takes away a little pain from the Lotto Debacle™
by TheUndertow on Jun 3, 2007 9:31 PM EDT reply actions
IDreamCeltics,
Since you asked, here’s the list of Randolph’s “illicit deeds to date.” It’s been put up a bunch of times already, but apparently not yet to the point of Celticsblog saturation.
•High school years: Thirty days of house arrest for battery.
•Thirty days in juvenile detention for receiving stolen property, a gun.
•2002. Underage drinking arrest in Marion, Ind., his hometown.
•2003. Team suspension by the Trail Blazers for sucker-punching teammate Ruben Patterson in practice and breaking his eye socket.
•2003. Arrested in Portland for driving under the influence of intoxicants and marijuana.
•2004. Accused by police of lying in an investigation of his brother shooting three men in an Indiana nightclub.
•2006. Suspended by the Trail Blazers for making obscene gestures to fans after a game in Indiana.
•2006. Sued by a Portland woman for sexual assault, though prosecutors didn’t file criminal charges.
•2007. Left a strip club without paying the bill while he was on bereavement leave from the team and missed three games after the death of his girlfriend’s cousin.
And then two weeks ago, Police respond to a shot fired in a strip club parking lot. Randolph and teammate Darius Miles were present in the crowd.
P.S. And for the record, 5th pick and Ratliff for Johnson and the 11th pick is the deal I want. At least two of Green, Law, Noah, Thornton and Julian Wright will be available at 11.
by otiredbeacon on Jun 3, 2007 11:18 PM EDT reply actions
*Go for Camby using Theo’s expiring and someone else..i think Najera could be good off the bench , he does the dirty work someone like Scalabrine should be doing already but isnt..
*Stay away from Kirilenko .. i mean any guy who cries in a corner because things arent going his way arent exactly Celtic material.
*Trade for Ray Allen using the #5 , Gerald Green and an top 3 protected pick next year..
by havlicekstoletheball on Jun 4, 2007 4:57 AM EDT reply actions
































