Point Guard Options

Dont forget we have Telfair. He is at a cross roads in his life. If he doesn’t play well this year I give him 1-2 more seasons in the league at best.

He will apologize to the Fans and to the Organization. And He will get his contract year and make a nice back up to Rondo.

As I said in the threads yesterday I’d rather have Orien Greene than any of the options you mention except Steve Blake, who will be too expensive. Greene turns the ball over alot, but he’s 6-4 and he can defend— at the 1 or the 2. But I guess that speeding ticket in Waltham ruins any chance he might have with our brilliant ownership.

I also like the iea of bringing an experienced player from Europe, e.g. Will Solomon.

billups or blake, lets get-r-done

I know. I didn’t give enough options.

I left out Tyrone Lue, Speedy Claxton, Jason Terry Devin Harris, Earl Boykins, Doug Christie, and Jose Calderon – who BTW…are all also available.

I didn’t mean to restrict our options like that.

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I don’t knonw what’s up with Billups, but he sucked in the playoffs. Turnovers galore, bad decisionmaking, poor ballhandling. He was the biggest reason they lost to Cleveland.

What about Chucky? He plays with heart, makes big shots and has a championship ring.

Breven Knight is too old, too short, can’t shoot, has injury issues and above all can’t defend. Same for Chucky.

We have a team that should have traded offense for defense, but didn’t. We have a team in desperate need of good defenders. Players like Knight, Atkins (or even worse, Bibby) would be idiotic. So that’s what the Celtics will probably do LOL.

Who cares about a pg who pushes the ball when the Celtics have no one who will get out on a wing?

I want Dimitrius Diamantidis (and Papadopoulis in the frontcourt) but Ainge hardly knows where Europe is. And all Grousbeck cares about is whether or not the guy will help sell tickets, and a couple of Greeks won’t do that, even though they are two of the best players in the world.

I love Brevin for his defense and smart, tough play. he reminds me alot of Rondo. I think we would need a complement to Rondos game though, which is why Bibby would be nice. Probably a high price though.

Kyle Lowry is money.

Blake and Jack are garbage. I dont want them midget either.

  I personally don’t know a thing about Pruitt, but reading thru the reports from the various draft sites, several teams thought he was first round material, and as a PG. Danny took him before Davis (who I like) and regardless of the Danny bashers here, he’s done pretty darn well in the draft.

Just say no to Bibby. Too expensive for a guy who hasn’t been that good for a few years. He is a scorer first PG anyway which is not what we need with this team. He also has only a 2-1 assist to turnover ratio which is not good…

If the article today is true that Gomes was down with Telfair in Vegas and he has dropped weight and body fat and been playing real well, the best thought is to go into the season with him as the backup to Rondo. If Rondo plays like most of us think he will then Telfair will be fine as the backup. If Rondo does not, then we look at trading for a better PG.

I think we should take this team into the year and see what we have and hold that chip of Theo until the trade deadline where it becomes even more valuable.

I hope we don’t go for Billups, Bibby or anyone who would start over Rondo. I think Rondo is ready to run this team and I think Pruitt could soon be ready to contribute. Someone like Atkins, Knight or Blake would be a good number 2 on the pg depth chart and help us develop Rondo and Pruitt.

“What about Chucky? He plays with heart, makes big shots and has a championship ring.”

Because hes hes a black hole and wont get Paul, Ray, and Al the ball in positions to score. He is the absolute worst possible option.

I still say go with Brevin Knight. He is as good a playmaking PG as there is in this league, can hit the open midranged jumper and FTs, and wont cost too much. Of course, its almost inevitable that he will be injured at some point, but even if he only plays 50 games, it will be good to have a vet PG to help ease Rondo into the possible starting position.

Steve Blake would be a solid choice, but he may cost a little much for a guy that is ultimately a backup PG.

We have our backup PG already….

GABE PRUITT

We only need a bigman, Camby, Darko, or even Mikki Moore would be fine.

Is Sherman Douglass available?

I’d take Ridnour out of those choices. Easy choice. The question is, could we get him with the garbage we’re offering?

billups and cassell and garnett…all these people are dreaming. Garnett made it clear that he will not play for Boston..as a matter of fact the article said he was p——-d when he heard that…that was a quote. We had all these great players..how many greats are there now that Ainge let go. Who wants to come to Boston…would you want to work for Ainge. All the announcers are saying that he has no idea what the hell he is doing and he is just making move of a mess with every move…do you all remember how great Wally was going to be? This is all turning out to be a joke…its so ridiculous how Ainge is screwing up that its laughable. His “five year” vision is up and he believes he will be 4th in the East next year…hahahaha What happens when PP starts to get jealous that Allen is scoring more and getting more touches on the ball than him…like Ricky.
And Allen does want the ball!!! Now we still need a PG now that Ainge let D West go…this is a waste of time

What about Telfair, Gomes, and Ratliff FOR Chris Wilcox and Earl Watson?

Why on earth would they do that move timepiece33?! I’m all for that idea, but where is Seattle’s benefit?!

Yeah, Orien Green would be a fantastic option. He can’t shoot, he can’t dribble, and he can’t penetrate. He’s not even a good distributor. He’s exactly who the Celtics need. He’s certainly a better option then legitimate point guards who have actually produced in the league like Brevin Knight.

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How stinkin pathetic is that by Wyc and DA….we might need him, so let’s soften our previous firm stance just in case….. We can call it “Code of Misconduct – A 12 step program to possible team dismissal” or “Wheel of Conduct Misfortune- If the wheel lands on the right number baby you get some extra chances on your fascination with carrying guns around acting a fool.”

The original hardline stance on Telfair had nothing to do with Ainge, it was all on Wyc.

Chris Duhon can be had ;D

I just don’t want to see any of those 4 pg lineups out there again this year. With Rondo, Pruitt, and some backup vet coming in, Telfair better be gone or I’m sure we’ll see it sometime. But I think the Telfair-may-play-for-us schtick is like the Theo-may-play-for-us schtick—only meant to somehow increase their value for when they’re traded.

Actually Duhon would fit perfectly—what does Chi want for him?

Brevan Knight is a good target. What would Darko cost?

Right on, Jeff. Contrary to some blogger’s, I read something entirely different in Wyc’s remarks. I understood him to say that he talked with Telfair “after the gun incident” and that FOR THE TIME BEING he’s still a Celtic but it’s a long time until November (meaning that Telfair is here now but unlikely to be here by November).

We DON"T need a shoot first PG but rather a “pass-first” PG to help GROOM both Rondo and Gabe Pruit. That veteran PG will need to be the “Clifford Ray” of the PG position. Many of those previously mentioned would not qualify. I had hoped that Jared Jordan would be available because he typifies the essence of a pass-first PG. While he lacks NBA experience, he’s especially gifted as a passer and floor general.

That’s right moskqq re: Telfair: we’re not looking for a shoot-first point guard on or off the field!

Ridnour or Duhon they both know how to set the table and you cant double team off of them because of there outside shot. Billups , atkins are getting old. Bibby has an attitude and is expensive. Breven knight is a replica of rondo but a step or two slower.

While I understand that Danny has players he’s targeted for possible acquisition and that he probably has them listed as “most” desirable to simply “desirable”, I half expected that if the right deal was available we would be hearing the “other shoe drop” by now.

While Ratliff’s improved health sounds encouraging I doubt if our need for an inside big should be trusted to his “miraculous” recovery. We apparently trusted too much last year….

Brick said:
Breven Knight is too old, too short, can’t shoot, has injury issues and above all can’t defend.
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He’d fit right in to Doc’s “defense” and Danny’s health criteria.

Wierd idea but Duhon, Sefolosha, and Ben Wallace for Theo and Gerald?

I would’t pay for Duhon. Why? Unless he gets hurt Rondo is going to play 40 minutes. If you don’t like Greene then go after someone like Daniel Ewing or lure Aaron Miles back from Europe. Or just keep Telfair.

They need defense at the wing and at the post much more than they need another pg.

Well I’ve been mostly away from the site, yet I see the negative ones are still spouting doom to any move the team makes. Must make me sad is Master Po has been sucked further into the dark side by this.

Some of you refuse to have any hope or positive thinking in you. A seven time all star at his prime with a great perimeter game that could see him going till 38 ak (reggie miller)for a small price.

Not to mention what should prove to be continued growth of Al Jefferson great season. But most of all has everyone given up on Perkins? Last year should of been his breakout year as was Jermaine Oneal’s 4th season. Yet shoulder season prevented him from quality time with Clifford, then his foot problem. Now a summer working with Clifford a desire to trim down like Jefferson did, and foremost prove all you detractors who said he’d be nothing more than a backup, WRONG.

On Rondo, what was his only flaut, shooting. Does anyone not think that can not or will not be adressed this summer?

Green maturity and natural progression, and now with a guy of Allen’s character to help.

The only real long shot is did this last season finally get through to Telfair? Telfair has the physical skills but has not seen the light to get out of this me first thinking.

Last as for the Theo comments, what’s not to believe that Theo wants to continue playing and has been working hard to do so. As for it’s just trade BS come on any trade will require the team to test him out.

You know me mister optimistic, with Rajon hitting his jumper making d’s respect him, and two to the best wings out there, along with Al in the post…and if Perk has the breakout year…Look out were on our way!

Quite frankly come start of season, I just may have to visit Vegas. Keep the Faith, Restore the Pride and Master Po through the darkness find the light and follow it back…restore your hope and faith in your beloved green. It would do you well to step back away from the Dark Lords of Doom and rejuventate your optimisum… :D

Alaska – Welcome back! It’s nice to have a level head out here to help keep these negative guys from running this board into a complete Doom fest full of hatred! I concur completely. We are going to have a huge improvement next year and I can’t wait to see how things come together. There are so many teams in the east that are on tilt that we should have a legitimate chance of making a small run…

atkins is a good backup which is what we need. i would not want any trades, an area that danny goes to the cleaners. i like perk who is perfectly capable but we have no big man depth and need a d specialist. i remember telfair’s d, or lack of.

Wyc is a tool.

Nocioni! with Duhon as the throw in. We give up Theo, Gomes, and Green plus futre pick plus minnys future pick, whatever. We wont need Gomes with Pierce, AL, and Nocioni all at forward, plus we have have big baby who can play the 4.

Nocioni is our 6th man, Duhom our backup pg, Tony Allen is our 9th man, we would just need a backup center. Telfair/Scal/2nd round pick for haywood.

Jay, your trade idea makes Danny look like a pauper when it comes to getting fleeced. Why not include Jefferson as well since you’re willing to give up so much to include two future 1st round picks? Go all the way….Crazy, man!

Bibby & Billups will be too high priced for ownership. I like Knight for a reasonable amount of $. He has a decent midrange jumper, passed well, hits his ft’s and plays pesky D.

If we can’t find the right PG here for the right price, perhaps it’s time to look overseas. I’m not familiar with the talent there but I do know that they’re well based in fundamentals….something lacking around here. There must be an athletic PG that could serve as a back-up to Rondo and perhaps shed some insight into the nuances of team defense etc.

It is beyond me why anyone would want to bring back Orien Greene.

It’s beyond me why anyone would want to bring in Brevin Knight. I mean the guy just got dumped by the Bobcats. Doesn’t that tell you something?

As to Telfair—I thought Wyc’s immediate reaction was emotional (and not the best way to handle the situation). I think DA found out about it with the rest of us. This just might be the incident to get Telfair to grow up and wake up. I read an article (forgot where) that Ryan Gomes and Telfair have been working with the same trainer in Las Vegas. Ryan says that Telfair is much better than we think. Another accidental by-product of this affair is that DA has been very supportive of Telfair and that’s been appreciated by Telfair’s agent. I think DA has a good reputation with some of the better agents and that won’t hurt in trying to get some new players in here. (I think Telfair’s agent also has Kevin Garnett for those who are interested).

“It’s beyond me why anyone would want to bring in Brevin Knight. I mean the guy just got dumped by the Bobcats. Doesn’t that tell you something?”

It tells me that the Bobcats arent willing to keep him for the money that he might be asking for. For the right price, Brevin Knight would be the perfect guy to bring in here (and yes I know that it is inevitable that he will be injured at some point).

ok, so i might have gone overboard on nocioni, but he is a great 3rd option behind ak47 and gwallace, especially if we get duhon too. we have to win now, cant stock up on youngsters anymore.

2006-07 Statistics
PPG 14.1 RPG 5.70 APG 1.1 EFF 13.60 Born: Nov 30, 1979
Height: 6-7 / 2,01
Weight: 225 lbs.

I’d take Brevin Knight, but will he take us? He should have lots of options, Cleveland could sure use him.

Hey Alaska — have the scheduled the 17th championship banner raising yet? :D

“It’s beyond me why anyone would want to bring in Brevin Knight. I mean the guy just got dumped by the Bobcats. Doesn’t that tell you something?”

I’m at this point convinced that you are as clueless as you make Danny and Doc to be. Aside from the fact that Jordan makes bad personnel decisions seemingly at every turn, Knight has been a solid point guard his entire career. Knight has averaged about 7 assists a game for his entire career. Has Oriene Green even averaged 2 points a game in the league yet? Knight 2 years ago averaged close to 9 assists a game. He is a solid distributor and defends well. I know, he’s no Orien though.

I think I made my position clear. It’s all about value. Knight is undersized, has been inury prone, is not a particluarly good shooter and will cost at least half the MLE. Yes, he’s a decent veteran backup, but that’s all. If that’s all you want, you could get Kevin Ollie or Jacques Vaughn for less money. There are better options.

Rondo will be playing 36-40 minutes at the point…bring in a vet minimum or let the Rook play 8-12 per.

Not sure if anyone watched the last 10 games of the season…but check out Rondo’s stats for those games, 15 ppg 50FG over 70Ft, kid was learning to put the ball in the basket. Plus over the last few weeks people should be able to see how high this organization is on this guy, he’s gonna get a lot of minutes.

Yes HOOPS! I’m in complete agreement with that. And whoever it is, he’s got to be a decent defender, whether he plays 6 minutes or 15 minutes or 20 minutes.

Why can’t the C’s try out Pruitt this suumer and then let Telfair by the 3rd string guy if Pruitt performs well? I say we wait a bit before making a decision on PG. Sign a big man like Darko or trade for Yi. Gasol, or somebody. I say this is our top priority.

Gabe Pruitt will need more than a year of seasoning before he can help; he’ll need some actual NBA talent. As usual over the past 10-20 years point guard will be a problem for the Celtics.

What would it take to get Ridnour or Earl Watson? My guess is too much. I read that Watson is an intense defensive specialist. How is Ridnour’s defense? Says Ridnour is on the trading block at ESPN. My guess is that Ridnour “D” is not so great which is why they’re keeping Watson and are offering Ridnour. Watson sounds like a guy to get but sounds as if it would take a lot to get him, if he’s at all available.

Telfair has offensive talent and when there were experienced guys on the floor with him like Pierce and Wally, offensively he had some good performances. He’s never learned how to play defense and I’m not sure we have the person to do it. Can he improve his “d”? That is clearly what they’ll be looking at when he comes to Waltham. In the meantime they have to look for that pass first, good defense role player.

If Telfair looks committed to work hard on “d” and Ratliff looks good physically by the end of their summer work, I’d rather not spend any of the core to get a guard or backup big. To me, it makes no sense to trade T. Allen, Gerald, Rondo, Jefferson, Gomes or Perk for these kinds of moves. It’s a very promising core and Pruitt and Davis are very legitimate prospects to add to that list, but Pruitt and Davis (less so) may take a little time to develop. I love Leon and hope he gets another year to see if he’s catching on to team concepts, because the skills and energy he brings are great for any bench.

I honestly really like the team as constructed now, if Theo looks like he can be ready physically. His contract is obviously a great value to use this year or next, but my gut says as a veteran in a contract year who knows he didn’t come through for us last year, he could be the perfect backup and mentor for Perk. I think Telfair has to prove his desire to play defense and take a more pass first approach, but he should be very motivated to do it. Bottom line is Celtics do not have to approach trades except from strength if the signals from Theo and Telfair are good.

Brick,

Just curious. You say that “They need defense at the wing and at the post much more than they need another pg.”

But your mantra leading up to the draft was, “Trade Pierce, fire Doc, draft Conley.”

I don’t understand how you could have advocated so strongly for Conley and now say thay don’t need a point.

Also, with Allen and Pierce both playing about 40 minutes a game, where does a wing defender get any minutes?

Ive always been a fan of Bobby Jackson .. but he is owed 6 mil and thats too much for a backup.

I think Spanoulis is worth a second shot..hell he wouldnt cost anything and im sure the bitterness he holds to Van Gundy would spur him on.

Luther Head is now the odd man out in Houston..

Brick,
“I want Dimitrius Diamantidis (and Papadopoulis in the frontcourt)”
Bad luck Brick, I read today in the Spanish newspapers that Papadopoulos have already reached an agreement with Real Madrid for the next season.