Jeff…you sly dog…u know something don’t cha.

it’s just fantasy league team-building if you bring in Garnett. The team is still fundamentally flawed – atrocious defense on the wings, terrible coaching, an offense that relies on two selfish swingmen whose best years have always been on losing teams, and no point guard. Also, we’d have no size or interior toughness outside of Garnett. Perk can’t stay on the floor, Gomes is small, and Big Baby won’t get off the pine. This is the kind of team that might take Washington to seven games, but it will get destroyed by Detroit, Chicago (if Ben Wallace is healthy) Cleveland, and almost every playoff team in the west. Keep Big Al, trade Ratliff, GG and picks for Jason Kidd and you might have something worth watching on the court. Trading for Garnett is just a move to sell tickets.

My guess is that he won’t come here until he has ankle or knee surgery – only then can I assume the deal is done

well said Master Po!

Get K G for three first round picks Gerald Green Ryan Gomes and Brian Scalibrine Plus Theo

If Minne loses Garnett, they’ll want 1st round draft picks. We might be part of the Garnett deal but he won’t be coming to us. We need a back up point and center.

Jefferson has has 1/2 of a good season, it wasn’t even a all-star worthy 1/2 of a season. Garnett is a super competitive, championship starved superstar who has 5 years left in him. To me this deal is a no-brainer, #17 is not going to happen with a player who is Zach Randolph without the bad attitude.

Successful Scenario

Randy Foye
Kevin Garnett

Outgoing Players
  Ryan Gomes
  Gerald Green
  Al Jefferson
  Sebastian Telfair
  Brian Scalabrine
  Theo Ratliff

Doesn’t leave us with much past the big 3

Rondo, Allen, Pierce, Garnett, Perk
Foye, TA, Wallace, Powe, Big Baby
Pruitt, Miralles?

When I listen to these rumours I can’t help but remember when L.A. put togther a team of stars like Kobe, Shaq, The Mailman and Gary Peyton. And I remember that when they didn’t win it they had to go back into rebulding mode.

thats retarded

oh please- not again. i still would rather keep al. yes he has only 1/2 year starring, but : 1) he’s ours, 2) he’s only 22, 3) he can score down low, 4) he’s been loyal and wants to stay in boston,5) with clifford ray on the job he will get better on d and has already taken to ray’s coaching,6) he and perk have melded as buds which gives us a big man’s base which we have to augment. kg is a better player but we would become minnesota east and minnesota west was never a great team.

Relax!!!! Garnett hasn’t won anything with Minn so why the heck do you expect him to improve the lot here?

Also, He’s too old(minutes worn)and his game is a clone of Bob McAdoo…..15’ turnaround jump shots….no low post nor driving to the basket.

Finally, if he doesn’t sign a contract beyond next year it’s way too much risk to give up our prized youngin and future All Star.

PATIENCE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

we hear in about 24hrs…a good possibility KG will be in green.

KG said he would not play for Boston. Until he officially recants on that statement, no amount of trades A, B, C, ad nauseum, is relevant. Let dead dogs lie, please.

The whole business is over my head…Someone above says he has 5 good seasons left; I doubt that heavily…Jeff says he’d ship Al…I don’t think I get it?…In fact, I don’t get it???…
Are we going to go from “yoots” to aged gray-backs in one fell swoop?
I’d very much like Garnett to be on our team if we don’t have to mortgage everything passed a couple of years…
It would appear that Big Al will be willing to allow Allen and Paul to get their ya-ya’s out and take the rest to probably 18/10 games…Garnett won’t do that and he doesn’t want to come to Boston…
To me the entire equation still sits on Perk, Rondo and Telfair…Can they step up??? I think they can and although the Markets at about 13,000 and valued at about 4, some see this proposed type of leverage as fool-hearty and myopic…
And finally as George said above, trade picks, etc. for Jason Kidd or some such monster and your shoring up that which needs attention…
AJ has slowly but surely asserted himsealf as being a true “Celtic”…KG lives in Malibu…Enough said!

If we pull off a trade for KG, I would assume that Danny is very confident it wouldn’t be just for a year. Also, having KG, Pierce and Ray Allen would make Rondo’s job a lot easier so those of you saying we have NO point guard are simply wrong. We may not have a proven point guard but he will prove himself this year.

More smoke????

http://boards.boston.com/n/pfx/forum.aspx?tsn=1&nav=messages&webtag=bc-celtics&tid=12621

http://www.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?t=697432&start=180

sorry the link is gone.

Get him in here and let’s get it on.

Ainge is going to do it and in a couple of years you’ll all be scratching your heads, wondering why you thought it was a good idea at the time. That’s the usual result of an Ainge trade.

Meanwhile, we’ll have the pleasure of watching Al Jefferson make multiple all-star appearances for the Wolves long after Garnett has left Boston for sunnier climes and a chance at a ring.

nothing says reliable like unsubstantiated message board rumors

Hey, I love Al Jefferson. But anyone who doesn’t want to trade him for KG is high. KG is three times the player Al is. And this whole idea that he’s Bob McAdoo, a 15-foot jumpshooter — have you people actually watched KG play? He’s even better in the post than Al is, and that’s Al’s forte. Guys that Al has to put double moves on, KG just dunks over. He’s physically dominating. One up-fake and he’s gone. He can take guys off the dribble, go coast-to-coast, shoot from deep, overpower smaller guys, do anything there is to do on a basketball court. He’s three inches taller than Al and a much better rebounder, defender and passer. He’s even a better free-throw shooter. On a Pierce-Allen-Jefferson team, other clubs will take their chances leaving one guy to guard Al, but that will never happen with KG. It isn’t even close.

It all gets back to the logic of the Allen trade. If you’re not trading Pierce, you’re trying to win now. If you’re trying to win now, Ray Allen is better than Jeff Green. By the same logic, Kevin Garnett is better than Al Jefferson now and for the next three years. If you’re trying to win now, you have to do this deal.

Look for Big Baby to be included in the deal as well, last week Mike Gorman was very lukewarm on him ( actually saying Powe was better in his opinion ) and we know that Gorman always takes the company line.

If the deal does come to fruition the pressure will clearly be on both Rivers and Pierce . Pierce will have to prove he can play and share the ball within a team framework and Rivers will have no excuses with three All Stars in the lineup. Somehow, I still believe Rivers will find a way to screw it up.

Bang bang, rumor, you’re dead.
There, I did it.

This rumor is too stupid to be false.

Das, Gorman said he wouldn’t trade Al for anyone. Is that the company line? I hope so!!

The guy says he doesn’t want to come here. If he does then
we can hear 2 guys moaning about being a great player on a
bad team. Stereo. Would this deal put the Cs in luxury tax purgatory? I would rather watch AL play for 10 years than Garnett for 2. With KG and PP and Ray Ray on the same team, poor Doc wouldn’t know who to ISO with. His head might explode.

If only Ainge and Rivers would do us all a favor and resign together, before they do any more damage.

This would pretty much make this team irrelevant to me until new management took over. There’s no way a KG/PP/RA trio would win a title. What support would they have? Look at the salaries and realize that Wyc isn’t going to go New York Knicks on payroll, and that we’d have those 3, Perk, and 9 scrubs. Guys who’ll play for next to nothing because that’s all we could afford. Meanwhile, Al is a 10 year all-star for Minny.

To me, Al was a Celtic for life. I don’t feel that way about anyone else on the roster, and haven’t about a player in many years. I have little doubt he’d be the EC’s premier low-post player in the next year or two. He’ll be putting up 20/10 for Minny long after KG/PP/RA take up near-permanent residence on the injury list.

We’ll be stuck with 3 ball hogs, all past their prime, and absolutely no way to make this team better in the next few years. 3 years from now, when we don’t have a championship, KG & CO are gone, and we have absolutely nothing of value on the roster, this trade will go down as one of the great jokes of all time. A cherry on top of the crap sundae Danny Ainge has made the last 5 years.

You’d think that this organization would’ve learned it’s lesson on trading talented, young players for over-the-hill, perennial losers, but it obviously hasn’t.

AL is tough to guard one on one. He should see a fair amount of those situations with Allen and Pierce on the wings. When you play him at the 5 you can have a quick transition line up. Although I don’t think that Doc is
necessarily a fast break coach.

I love Al but… go get KG. We’ve been rebuilding for 20 years. We are now at the point where the Clippers are better than us. I’m tired of it… hoping that our next draft pick turns out to be Larry Bird or something. KG’s a HOFer.

DO IT. DO IT.

The 24 hr clock is ticking.

TN Celtic, are you crazy? You people are all crazy. If we do that deal we have KG, Pierce, Allen, Perkins, Gomes, Rondo and Tony Allen. That’s four solid role players, with a couple— Rondo and Allen — having potential to be better than role players.

How does trading for KG more negatively affect the team’s ability to get better in the next three years than keeping Al would? We’re in cap hell either way. What, draft picks? They’re not going to be high picks anyway. And please, KG is a ball hog? Have you ever watched KG play? He’s too unselfish if anything, always has been.

Al Jefferson is a nice player, but he’s small for his position and will never be an impact player on defense. Kevin Garnett is a protoypical big man — seven feet with guard skills, dominates on both ends of the floor. I’m not sure I like his personality, but from a basketball standpoint, it’s a no-brainer.

And for all of you people who are so sure that Al is going to be a ten-time all-star in the West — who’s he going to beat out at his position? Nowitzki? Don’t think so. Tim Duncan? Elton Brand? Pau Gasol? Carlos Boozer? Amare Stoudamire? Shawn Marion? (You can call Marion a 3, but in that case Amare’s a 4 -either way, Al’s not getting into the all-star game over either of those guys anytime soon). Even Lamarcus Aldridge is going to be stiff competition for him. I suppose it is remotely possible to imagine Al beating Memo Okur in a dogfight for the last spot on the bench - meanwhile, is it even possible to imagine a scenario in which KG is not a starter on the East team?

You guys are all being blinded by what a nice kid Al is and how fun it’s been to watch him. Side by side, there’s just no comparison between the two players. It’s like preferring Jacoby Ellsbury to Ichiro, or Jon Papelbon to Johan Santana.

@don kipines

right on man. well said

Garnett was better than Jefferson probably will ever be. Right now, Garnett is still better. In two years, they will be equal, because Garnett is declining. He’s been in the league 13 years, and that’s alot of wear and tear. Jefferson, in contrast, is improving and is already a better rebounder than Garnett.

No one disputes that if the Celtics do the deal, for 2 years they will be better than they would have been with Jefferson. The won’t be good enough to reach the NBA finals, but they will be more “relevant.”

Then Garnett will leave and the Celtics will suck for the next 10 years after that— really really suck. Do you think it’s going to be Ratliff and Jefferson for KG? Oh no, they will want Gomes and Tony Allen plus a bunch of first round picks. The resulting Celtics roster will be three studs, Rondo, Marko Jaric and garbage. They will be paying luxury tax and they will have no prospects of getting better. That will be the Ainge legacy.

umm, if we go to war with KG, t.Allen, r.Allen, PP, Rondo, Perk, Gomes, any of you guys who don’t think we can win a title with that team IF RONDO DEVELOPS FAST, is stoned out of their mind. I am not saying we will, but that is a very good group and probably better than anyone else can offer. TA will have to come in a play hard d and Perk will have to live up to his talk. I think those things willl happen. And the three guys whose health everyone is worried about have missed few games in their careers. TWENTY OR BUST

If you believe in the “buy low sell high” idea, then you have to seriously consider:
1. Any deal for Kevin Garnett that involves Al Jefferson;
2. [on a slightly different topic] Any deal for Bibby that involves Gabe “Delonte 2.0” Pruitt.

I agree with Brick on Garnett, but I am all for including Gomes in a trade….. and Cs need a back up PG/SG, so Jaric would look good in green IMHO…

Well, on the plus side, in 3 or 4 years they can do a proper rebuilding, because (1) as you say, Brick, they truly will stink, and (2) they’ll have loads of cap-space (unless they screw that up. I don’t think that the team as currently constituted will improve to be a championship contender in the next 5 years anyway, so may as well go for broke in the next few years and then rebuild the right way after that.

Hey Brickowski—

Al is a better rebounder than Garnett? The Garnett who averaged 12.8 boards a game last year to Al’s 10.9? The Garnett who hasn’t averaged as few rebounds as Al’s career high 10.9 of last year since 1999? The Garnett who’s been in the top three in rebounding in the league three times, who led the league once, who’s an EIGHT TIME all-defensive team member?

Plus, the difference between Al Jefferson and Kevin Garnett on the defensive end is so vast, it’s hard even to express — it’s like comparing Kendrick Perkins and Yao Ming on offense. Without KG, the Allen-Pierce-Jefferson team is very weak on defense. With him, they’re at least above average. With KG you’ve got length, you’ve got a guy who can cover big fours on the perimeter and you’ve got a guy who clogs the middle on zones. With Al you have to send him help in at least half of the games.

Plus, again, the whole point of this deal, if it happens, is that you try to win while you have Pierce and Allen still in their primes. Even if it were true that Al would overtake Garnett or two or three years from now — and I don’t at all agree even with that — well, an inferior Al is no good to us in the next 2-3 years while we’re trying to win with Pierce and Allen. If you’re trying to win, actually trying to win, you get the best players you can. And right now and for the foreseeable future KG is better than Al by a country mile.

Furthermore, it hasn’t been said anywhere that Gomes and Tony Allen would be in the deal. More than likely it’s Green, Jefferson, Ratliff, and then either Scalabrine or Telfair. Again, that leaves Rondo, Gomes, Tony Allen, and Perkins, along with Leon Powe, who can give you a few minutes here and there. That doesn’t even count your rookies, one of which, Glen Davis, has the potential to be a nice rotation player. It also doesn’t include whatever other pickups would ensue — remember, this trade would leave the Cs with three roster spots. If the Cs do this deal, that means they’re ready for the luxury tax, so you’d have to assume there’d be other pickups.

Jefferson will make about $10M per season less than KG will over the next few years. How exactly are we going to resign Tony Allen – assuming he’s able to play near where he was before his injury – and Gomes with the enormous committment Garnett would take? Not gonna happen. If those guys are more than just journeymen, they’ll want more than Wyc will be willing to pay.

Jefferson will never make a defensive impact? Baloney. He’s still just a kid, coached by one of the NBA’s worst defensive coaches, and he’ll never be a decent defender? Sorry, I don’t buy it. He has the athleticism to be a very good defender one day, and is already a pretty good shotblocker.

The cold, hard facts are that guys the age of KG/PP/RA go into decline. Most professional athletes hit 30, and their bodies just aren’t the same. They get worse instead of better. They get injured more often. It’s certainly too much to think that all 3 of them will play well and stay healthy for more than a year or two.

Bottom line is we won’t win a championship with these guys, and 3 years from now, we’ll be in the toilet with absolutely no foundation to build on. Even if things go well with these 3, I have no interest in winning with other teams’ players. Picking up a few veterans for a one or two year run is like a one-night stand instead of a marriage. It might be fun while it lasts, but there’s no lasting committment, no connection with the other party, no fond memories of what happened, no real addition to the legeacy, IOW, not the way it was with Bird and CO, or Russell or Havlicek before him. It’ll just be a rent-a-team that really isn’t ours. That really doesn’t interest me. Building a team that becomes a perennial contender is what interests me.

Look at the rebounds per 48 minutes, not per game.

There is one problem with the window conversation that not everyone is pointing out.

Let’s review:
It is the opportunity we’ve been looking for and it should absolutely happen ___Check

Al is as valuable as he will EVER be now and great deals are never easy (that’s the whole problem with the ‘Keep Al’ Crowd, they will never understanding this, deals like this one are the whole reason you accumulate chips)…Anyway, as I said before___Check

Legit opportunity to win the nba championship ___Check

3-4 Year Window ___Not Checked

The whole problem with this is the head coach, you cannot win an nba title with doc rivers as your coach. I’m actually a Doc supporter but I feel even the most ardent of Doc fans knows this to be true.

So you knock one year off there and that leaves you with 2-3. You know, at least one year, one of them will miss the playoffs…knock another year off.

So that leaves a 1-2 year window…then there is the whole waiting for rondo and the remaining youngs to mature. That’s going to eliminate at least another year unless you trade them away too and get a legit point guard.

So I’m still skeptical about this but it’s our only shot for a title in the next five years, so let’s roll the dice.

no no no, let’s go get Gasol and Navarro without giving up AL!

Brick, last year Garnett and Jefferson had the same rebound rate. And that was Garnett’s worst performance in years. Moreover, you can’t discount the fact that you can count on KG playing 35-40 minutes a game for 80 games every year. You’re talking about a guy who gets between 12-13 rebounds a game every year, without fail. That’s an elite rebounder, a notch above anything we’ve had in Boston for decades. Better than Parish, better than Bird. You can make the argument that KG is the best rebounder in the NBA since Rodman and Olajuwon — Ben Wallace is probably his only competition. Al Jefferson has had one nice year, and he’s better than KG all of the sudden? Come on.

Folks, when you get the chance to pick up an elite player in the NBA, you do it, no questions asked. You think the Suns are regretting picking up 30 year-old Steve Nash? How about the Lakers when they picked up Wilt Chamberlain (he was 32)? The Heat when the grabbed Shaq? This is what it’s all about — you can’t win the whole thing without a headline player, and KG is a bona fide headliner, he’s a notch above Pierce and Allen.

By the time the Lakers won a championship with Wilt, he was a shadow of his former self. The Heat mortgaged everything for Shaq, but they had one of the league’s top players otherwise (and now, they’re not a serious contender; basically they gave away everything of value but Wade for one season). Nash was an easy decision: Marbury was a selfish punk, a problem that the Celts don’t have with Al.

You said it all with “headliner”. Garnett gets the Celts on Sportscenter. That’s why the Celts are doing this.

http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/story/7073708

Big Al, Ratliff…AND RONDO?!?! Unacceptable. I am all for trading Jefferson for KG, not with Rondo.

we would have to sign knight and sign kg to a deal to make this acceptable.

Brickowski said:
  This rumor is too stupid to be false.

Unfortunately, Brick you’re wrong. This is the negative that proves the positive. It is true by virtue of its stupidity. It will be one year of 47 wins and a first or second round exit followed by 2-3 years of gradual decline and locker room back-biting. Meanwhile, Al becomes a perennial all-star, while Danny and Doc depart with millions in the bank. The vision was really a nightmare in disguise.

Over the last 50 games, when he got major minutes, Al averaged 12 boards a game. In his third year Garnett averaged 9 . Al shot better than 50% from the floor, something Garnett has never done. True, Al doesn’t bother shooting 20% from 3-point land.

Well, it looks like a done deal. My days as a Celtics fan are rapidly coming to a close. It has been fun for all these years, but it’s time to find a team that knows what it is doing.

This has got to be the worst trade ever, FIRE AINGE!!