Ray of Hope

Thank you…Agree!

this is exactly right. people need to stop LOOKING for reasons to complain and look at what DA has done which is added a proven all star veteran. Just like everyone was complaning about last year. How can everyone be bad mouthing Pierce and Ray Ray’s ability to share the ball when whenever either of them had solid players to share it with they did very well (see the ECF with twoindaful and rashard). We are a step closer bottom line. With some good progress from the younger guys in terms of development, we should turn some heads this year no doubt.

My thoughts, exactly. Ray Allen will be a great addition to this team. Kudos to Danny on this one.

The obvious difference here is that Garnett is a player who would fill a perceived ‘need’. Many feel that Ray Allen is going to play a position we already have well manned with Gerald, Tony Allen and to an extent Paul Pierce. I think Allen will be the better sidekick, teammate and mentor. Pierce and Allen will coexist much better than Garnett and Pierce. Garnett has to be the man and that would cause underlying friction/tension with Pierce IMO.

We got a terrific player that will help us, but we still have the “need”.8)

well stated, b. and by b i mean ian rider. you have helped me get behind this trade.

Most people on this blog were against the KG trade. The problem is he isn’t an elite guard at this point in his career and he has a max contract. We can’t add anyone else without paying a luxury tax and we all know Wyc doesn’t want to pay that. The goal is to win championships not make the playoffs.

CoachCowens, no team goes from the 2nd worst record to a championship in one move. It doesn’t happen. This move will get us to the playoffs, we now need more to get us to a championship, we need to find our own Ben Wallace.

Great article.

Well written and states precisley the reasons why I also like the trade.

This makes us relevant and we have held on to Al, Gerald, Rajon and Perk.

Keep those four, plus the big two along with Big Baby and we have a pretty good team.

Just add Brevin Knight and another big (?) not sure who that is and we are well on the way.

Cheers

Aussie

“The problem is he isn’t an elite guard at this point in his career and he has a max contract.”

You are so damn ignorant. Hes not an elite guard? The guy averaged 26.4 ppg last season. And the season before last he set an all time record for 3 pointers made.

It baffles me how ignorant so many people seem to be in regards to this trade. I can understand not loving it (I dont), but anyone who says this is a bad trade just has no clue.

“This move will get us to the playoffs, we now need more to get us to a championship, we need to find our own Ben Wallace.”

Maybe it’s late and I’m missing the reference here, but why Ben Wallace? Or do you mean Sheed because then it makes sense (talking about 04 of course).

"The problem is he isn’t an elite guard at this point in his career and he has a max contract. "

This is an interesting comment. How wasn’t Ray Allen an elite guard last year?

The last time i checked, Ray Allen is still an All-star in a very talent laiden Western Conference.

If you ask, why then did Seattle do the trade if there is nothing wrong with Ray…Its simple. They drafted Durant and they chose a direction towards rebuilding now and the only other way to get back into the top 10 of the draft is to dangle Allen, Ask yourself this, Will the Sonics do it if they did not get no.2 in the draft, Hell no, Even their GM thinks it was the most difficult decision to do But they had to do it knowing theyd be losing Rashard and keeping Allen would not make any sense anymore since the Sonics are full of young players.

If we had landed top 2, do you think DA would have chosen a different dirction and instead traded PP for picks in this draft, I certainly think so and perhaps most of us here would think that way, Having either Oden or Durant with our young core changes the teams outlook in the future in the same manner it did to Seattle and Portland for that matter did the very same thing, they traded Zach to usher in the Oden era.

For me Danny did the next best thing, Trades in this day and age is the most difficult thing to do, that is why Danny let himself outfleeced last yr b/c he wanted to Dump Raef, he took a risk with Telfair but it backfired in his face, But Telfair is still young, maybe when he is about 25, then he’ll be good, or then again maybe not but that is how trades work out….What if what we gave up in Green is just the same as Gomes, would people in this board be happy with that?…You want Yi, well I like him too but he is 2-4 yrs away from being any good and we just end up with a disgruntled PP…Brewer anyone, I like him too, but no. 5 for him is just too high for me, besides, we already have Allen, as our backup 2.anyone here who thinks TA would not come back to form is an Idiot.

The draft is

The problem is he isn’t an elite guard at this point in his career and he has a max contract.

Unbelievable . . . . The guy has a career year (at 31), scores 26 pts a game, tosses in a 50 pointer, shoots 37 % from behind the arc, on a sorry team (which means he was the only guy the other team had to guard)and in the toughes conference on the planet, but “he isn’t an elite guard.” That’s just . . . I can’t even say it . . .I’ll get banned from posting . . .

The draft is indeed very deep,that is why Danny wanted Seattle’s 2nd rounder, which ended up as Big Baby Davis…and for this fact alone, we were able to fleece Seattle, Davis is a well rounded guy, a mid first rounder last yr and though very big is very quick on his feet.A proven rebounder and would be a decent backup to Al so we can slide Gomes to 3.If he pans out well then the trade with Seattle will go down as Danny’s best move so far…No more Wally,that was also a major move for DA,he is someone who just takes up minutes For Green and Delonte is easily replaceable….Overall tis trade benefited both teams..Allen is still in his peak, just the same as Garnett is in his peak, be happy to accept the trade, you can whine all you haters if you want but what is done is done, lets just hope DA makes a couple more minor moves to silence all this naysayers…Darko, Camby, Knight, c’mmon Danny, don’t dleep on it.

Nope. Don’t agree with it at all. We can talk about how good he was last year or 2 years ago, but the reality is that he’s at the point in his career where most NBA players go into decline. That’s why he was available. It’s why Allen Iverson was available, and why Kevin Garnett is supposedly available. They were/are on the market because their current/former GMs knew that the clock was ticking on each of their careers. There are very few 35 year old (legitimate) all-stars. So unless Allen is one of those rare guys who continues to play well into his mid-30s, we’ve rented a guy for a couple of years at the expense of a 1st rounder and a good role player. The fact that he’s coming off double ankle surgery doesn’t make the hope he has 5 good years left any brighter.

I do hope the addition of Big Baby turns out to be a key to this trade. If he pans out, then Ray Ray will be the “now” and BB will be the “later”. Davis averaged 18/10, those are really solid numbers. He may have trouble on D with taller, faster guys dunking over him on the break.

That said, I would love to see the Celts move Pierce, although one GM said Jefferson’s trade value was twice what Pierce’s is. So they are stuck with him, I guess. AK47, anyone?

I don’t care how it’s spun or who’s for it, I still hate this trade. In fact, I haven’t liked a whole lot of what has happened to this franchise since the WAR regime took over.

Allen has 3 years left on his contract. He will not play in more than 150 regular season games during that time.

TNCeltic,

You can’t develop a roster full of young guys at the same time. IT makes no sense. Anyone available to us (except Yi) plays a position where we already have young talent. The question is, was the #5 pick going to supplant any of those guys? Is Jeff Green better than Gomes or GG? Is Brewer better than TA or GG? I don’t think so. So, if you’re going to continue to develop those guys they need two things: more veterans to learn from and the opportunity to actually win some games and go to the playoffs where they will learn yet another level of NBA competitiveness.

I think we have a legit right complain when you consider:

• We needed a veteran but one with a longer NBA life span.
• Allen’s coming off surgery, and Ainge has a habit of getting injury-prone vets with big contracts
• We needed more help at point, small forward and the front court before we needed another scorer (DEFENSE! REBOUNDING!)
• Ainge’s moves, taken in total, have kept this franchise from moving forward.
  It’s no knock on Ray Allen; I like the guy, and his potential impact next season. It’s everything around that I question. And so, again I say, the trade’s a bad idea unless Danny makes two key moves to complement it, most notably Ratliff’s contract for another vet who actually plays defense.

I don’t know who this guy is but Garnett is old too, everyone has been saying that. If you can’t see the differance between PP and Garnett for 2 years and Allen and PP for 2 years then you don’t know basketball. If your going after an aging vet to win now, then get one who can do more than score and doesn’t play a position you already have covered.

Horrible analysis.

ray allen is a 2. pp is a 3. they do not play the same position.

writer is correct in his analysis. everyone clamored for KG, who is months younger than Jesus. if the celtics traded for steve nash, the whole town would be applauding, even though he is 33 with a bad back. chauncey billups? 30. marucs camby? even older. jermain oneal? younger, but just as injured. we tried to get AI last year, who is a worse pairing with pierce than Jesus.

what team in their right mind would give up a 20-something all-star with no baggage for the #5 pick in a draft? there is none. this is the best the celtics could do, and they did it. kudos to danny ainge.

 “Celtsfansince55 said:
  Allen has 3 years left on his contract. He will not play in more than 150 regular season games during that time.”
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3 years is what Wally World has left on his albatross…er’…deal. In that time, the C’s would have to re-up with Delonte. In those 3 years I believe Ray Allen will produce more for this team in terms of numbers and leadership than Wally and Delonte would have combined…for about the same amount of money.

Jeff Green is a nice player and all, but I have read in multiple places that if Green had gone against Gomes in college, Gomes would have eaten his lunch.

If Big Baby had come out with Tyrus Thomas last year, he would have been a first round pick…maybe even a top 10 (#9 or #10) pick in that draft.

I am convinced that the Celtics got the better end of this deal.

Let’s be honest: Five seconds after the trade announcement we were all ready to pull our hairs like Bill Simmons and his dad. After counting to ten and breathing some more, we see that this makes sense. One side says we’re getting several years of wear and tear on Allen and the other side says we’re getting several years of veteran experience and All-Star production (with new ankles). I say it’s the latter, I think we all see that now.

Unc33. Would it be ignorant to take take one piece of a post and ignore the rest of it? Did I say he was awful? I don’t put him in my Top 3 of Guards at this point in his career with the injuries, age, defense and all factors considered. I guess you agree about luxury tax and Wyc not paying it.

mcpu40 said:
  Celtsfansince55 said:
Allen has 3 years left on his contract. He will not play in more than 150 regular season games during that time.
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Whoa! I didn’t know you could predict the future!!
Please! What will the MEGABUCKS numbers be this week?!
Please post, right away!!

You don’t think I’mm going to share the MEGABUCKS numbers with you and have to split the loot. Dream, dream away.

Does the author really not understand the problem here? The Allen trade was a terrific move… if you only care about what happens to the team next year and maybe for a couple years hence. And the man’s coming off his second ankle surgery, this one a double. He hasn’t stepped on a basketball court since the operation. Here are some other guys Danny has traded for that fit the profile of older veteran in his 30s with huge contracts and a recent history of injuries: Raef LaFrentz, Wally, Theo Ratliff.