Will Telfair Get A 2nd Chance?
by Jeff Clark on Jul 5, 2007 6:06 AM EDT
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Sebastian is saying and doing all the right things to repair his image. Danny has stood by him from the start. The team is making noises like it is leaving the door open for his return. Still, Wyc writes the checks, and I don't see him returning that nameplate anytime soon.
Bulpett reports on some of the details from Sebastian's point of view.
After working out with the Celtics' summer league team yesterday, he dutifully stood and answered the questions. No, the gun wasn’t his. Yes, his Florida license was valid, but two New York tickets from his high school days were to blame for its suspended status.
The license?
"That was the really embarrassing fact," he said. "What happened was when I traded in my New York license to get a Florida license, I had two tickets on my New York license from four years ago. That was from back when I was in high school, but when I put in for a Florida license it went through. I had a valid Florida license."
The tickets?
"I guess I knew about them when I got them," he said, "but I must have forgotten about them going through all the stuff I did."
And the gun wasn’t his?
"Nope," he said. "I still to this day don’t have a record. I can’t really answer where things stand, but I don’t have a record."
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Look at it this way: The Celtics currently have just Rajon Rondo, a second-year player who is certainly nowhere near a finished product, at point guard. Yes, Allan Ray is still on the team and is trying to learn how to play some point, but he should be in the NBDL or Europe not the NBA. So Telfair is actually needed, and if he can demonstrate that, along with supposedly learning a big lesson, he is also devoting his energies to honing his basketball talents, he’ll probably have a place on the roster.
I’m not contending that last year’s poor performance was anything but the fault of Telfair. He’d either been over-rated or didn’t put in the necessary work to improve his game. But I don’t think the way Doc Rivers used him helped at all. When you have a point guard who thinks score first, you don’t try to completely change that. Certainly Telfair needed to think about getting his teammates good shots, but Rivers tried to handcuff his strengths. As a result, Telfair wound up appearing to be a very confused player.
by lemonadesky on Jul 5, 2007 6:48 AM EDT reply actions
That last line wasnt quoted correctly. It meant to say :
"Nope,†he said. “I still to this day don’t have a winning record. I can’t really answer where things stand, but I don’t have a winning record.â€
by havlicekstoletheball on Jul 5, 2007 6:52 AM EDT reply actions
I’ve said it on other posts and I am saying it here…Telfair will have a HUGE year next year. I hope it’s for the C’s.
He’s doing all the things that prove he wants to get better, he wants to learn, and he wants to play in the NBA. He already showed signs of his ability to run a team last year. Once he realizes his game needs to be managing the plays, passing, and defense, he can focus on his biggest weakness—Defense.
I would guess 9 Assists per game next year…
by Hoops22 on Jul 5, 2007 7:00 AM EDT reply actions
lemonadesky, the biggest problem with Telfair is his atrocious defense. He simply does not know how to guard anyone or handle the pick-and-rolls. His size doesn’t help either. He belongs in Europe.
This quote was priceless: RE the tickets – “I guess I knew about them when I got them,†he said, “but I must have forgotten about them going through all the stuff I did.â€
What a joke.
by DJ to Bird on Jul 5, 2007 7:04 AM EDT reply actions
I think Lemondesky is right. Telfair had more skill than Doc brought out. And, while is D was poor, how can you single him out. G.Green, Gomes, Perk, Al Jef, A. Ray, even Rondo at times looked clueless. I did think that Telfair was an OK kid attitude-wise and I thought his shot was fine until Doc got totally in his head. Then is grade went from a B- (with an upside) to a D in a freefall. Doesn’t really hurt to see if he can bring it through training camp.
I agree, let’s critisize Doc’s version of team defense as a whole before we single out Telfair. Yes, his D has to get better, but so does everyone’s. And I really think Doc wrecked his confidence last year. I think he overthought his way around the floor all year. He just needs to play and be creative, that’s his strength – not to slow it up and play half-court all game. We need to RUN MORE, and Rondo with a re-energized Telfair will do just that.
Sorry to be a cynic, but Wyc probably realized that, having failed to trade Telfailure on draft night, even for a 2nd round pick, he now has 2.56 million reasons to get some performance out of Telfailure this season, so he can be moved at the trade deadline for some value, if only a 2008 2nd round pick.
At the start of last year, leaving aside the debacle of the Roy-for-Telfailure trade, I thought he looked reasonably good (except on defense, where he was Dickauesque). But the Doc/Telfailure relationship has to be shot by now.
It will be curious to see how much he gets showcased, given our team’s win-now-at-all-costs philosophy.
For most of the season Telfair played deliberate run the offense please the coach don’t make a mistake basketball—toward the end of the year he had a couple of nice games where he played at a faster pace and was the point guard we had hoped for. He is 21 and the last I looked we still need an affordable reliable point and a back-up point—as to whether he is a punk, maybe, but from my distance I will have to defer to Danny, Doc and Wyc on that.
MCPU40 – lol – very good
“Before you can play alongside The Truth, you have to admit the truth”.
By once again not admitting &/or owning up to the fact that gun was his says it all about his character.
But besides all that, today’s NBA is hardly a place for a PG of his size UNLESS you are absolutely exceptional at playing PG from all aspects – and he isn’t – not even close.
Of course I remember about 4 years ago when Danny said he like PG’s who were “long and lean”, but that was before Banks, Dickau and Telfair changed his mind and Danny realized that size was overrated.
Just no more Telfair commercials, please.
by halfman/halfoyster on Jul 5, 2007 8:49 AM EDT reply actions
jeff, he may have played poorly last year, but if he doesn’t get a second chance, that won’t be the reason why.
from a basketball standpoint, not bringing him back makes very little sense. He has zero to negative value around the league and there is no reason he shouldn’t be brought back.
if he isn’t, it’s just another reason why Wyc is a tool.
How ’bout we have a biiiig Sebastian Telfair night at the ga in.
by RAcker on Jul 5, 2007 9:45 AM EDT reply actions
i dunno…it would be a nice story to see him get a second shot and succeed here in a backup role. but i won’t be shedding any tears if they decide to trade him for something else. i do like the kids skill and that he was a leader in high school but that swagger he had seems gone now. wish the kid well whatever happens.
Management trashed any code of conduct credibility with their own behavior last season by intentionally losing games and holding out healthy players to cheat for lottery position. Management also trashed any credibility with it’s fans and the league by extending the NBA’s worst coach. So Telfair will be there making excuses for his misbehavior and Doc will be there making excuses for the team’s “youth” and preaching his own bizarre brand of “defense”. All-the-while, the losses will keep piling up.
Those ridiculous comments by Telfair sound no less ridiculous than the typical Rivers comments regarding youth and defense.
Bash the kid all you want. People do dumb things. Let he who is without sin cast the first stone. What this kid did is not a hanging offense. Stupid? Absolutely. Did he embarass the organization? Yes. Should he be apologizing and walking the straight and narrow? Absolutely. Does he need to be disciplined? Without question. Boot him from the team and try to ruin his career? No.
This kid still has talent. There is still hope that he can be a more than productive player, and be an exemplary citizen. I wouldn’t give up on him.
tmcdon, The problem is that the dumb things keep repeating themselves….and so do the ridiculous excuses.
But inconceivably dumb coaching moves and ridiculous redundant excuses repeat themselves with Rivers.
With Rivers as your head coach, I don’t see how Telfair could embarass the organization any more than they should be now.
So Telfair won’t be cut or traded. Like Rivers, we’re stuck with him.
So what if he had a driving violation and a gun in his car. Let Mass authorities deal with that. Now that D West is gone maybe Bassy will have a chance to play. This guys needs the ball in his hands, ala Steve Nash – to create.
by greendoc on Jul 5, 2007 10:44 AM EDT reply actions
greendoc said:
So what if he had a driving violation and a gun in his car. Let Mass authorities deal with that. Now that D West is gone maybe Bassy will have a chance to play. This guys needs the ball in his hands, ala Steve Nash – to create.
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you don’t know.
it happened in NY, not MA…silly willy
Who cares whose gun it was, it was in his car. It may be even more concerning that he didn’t realize that someone left their gun in his car. That would indicate that a gun in his car is standard operating procedure. That is a b***s*** excuse anyway. What is he 15 years old; “Dad it wasn’t my liquor” it was (put name here)’s.
I would be interested in what exactly anyone saw in him last year.
- Couldn’t guard a chair — most flatfooted defense I have ever seen, not even a resemblance of effort on the defense end *
- A shoot first point guard who can’t shoot well *
- There is a reason he fell to number 3 on the depth chart for his last 2 teams.
I agree with Brick this is a puff piece to try to get him some trade value.
Of course he may have seen the light. ;D
shimmy shimmy coco puff.. Bada lada ding dang, wait what were we talking about again?
Telfair a good guy? hahahahahaha
Right, Also Doc’s a good coach, Leon Powe is 6 foot 11 and Wally was the best defender on our team, too bad we traded him
Weeeeee, Send him out of Boston, no plane, no train, make him drive, and have every state cop pull him over on his ride out, just to search his car….
bye
butterball has coasted his entire career. relying on natural talent over hard work will only get you so far and he has reached the end of that line.
he has failed to show the character necessary to buckle down and work on his game. he failed to step up and take the starting spot last year or the year before in portland, he is a coaster and its all down hill to the end of the bench.
see ya bassy.
The big mistake made here was Wyc blowing up to the media and removing his nameplate before taking time to get both sides of the story. Yes it isn’t the first time that he has made mistakes and he should be on a short leash, but he didn’t beat his wife (Jason Kidd) or Kill someone (Ray Lewis)… He had a gun under the seat of his car. Stupid, yes. Worthy of no more chances, no. There are millions of people who ride around with a gun under their car seats. Many states it is legal in. We don’t know if it was his or not for sure. I think it probably was. The license thing is not an issue. I had an out of state license for over 3 years before shifting mine over. I piad a $250 dollar fine and that was that. Come on people. He should be given the “you mess up one time more for any reason you are gone” speech and that is that. He is a solid back-up to Rondo right now that if he can finally “get it” could be a really good player in this league. Defense is about want to at that level. Maybe he will be scared enough at this point to decide that he does.
Hallelujah, commute his sentence and let the healing begin.
by Celtsfansince55 on Jul 5, 2007 11:48 AM EDT reply actions
Wyc was stupid to remove his name-plate. his already limited trade value was shot down even more. The fact that no-one would trade a second round draft pick for him should probably tell you something.
I honestly don’t feel he’s a bad kid. He’s done some knuck-headed things, but I know for a fact we have players that have done stuff that is far, far worse(at least, in my eyes) But he’s a lousy player – an overrated offensive player, and a non-existent defensive one
by Cullain on Jul 5, 2007 12:05 PM EDT reply actions
Wyc did NOT make a mistake. Period.
Sebastian is a thug wannabe, point guard wannabe, NBA player wannabe.
He’ll not amount to much of anything in the NBA, IMO.
The image of the club is more important sometimes.
Had ‘the gun incident’ happened to a better player (Jefferson, Pierce, etc.), perhaps things would be a bit different,.
But following the stupid $50,000 platinum chain grab in NYC, Wyc, IMO, had little choice but to make a public move such as he did.
Empty promises. Danny said that he wasn’t through “remaking” our roster…why is it then that I keep hearing the list of teams interested in available talent yet no mention of the Celtics?
When Danny said that he probably wouldn’t replace Tony Brown’s position on the bench I though he was buying time before signing a top assistant. Now with Dave Wohl being bumpted upstairs the new message is that we now have two coaching vacancies but we’ll probably hire only one coach. Duane Casey’s name keeps surfacing but we need a defense-minded coach and he probably isn’t the one we need.
I guess Doc expects Ray Allen to function as a player-coach?….Too bad management doesn’t recognize that the strength of an organization starts with coaching.
by moskqq on Jul 5, 2007 12:14 PM EDT reply actions
Bankshot said:
“Mater Po wrote: By once again not admitting &/or owning up to the fact that gun was his says it all about his character.”
And you know he’s not telling the truth, how?
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Bankshot, you’re REALLLLLLLLYYYY reaching, there. “The dog ate my homework” sounds more legit than any of Telfair’s responses.
But the whole organization is void of any credibility until they put a legitimate coach and a legitimate product on the court. So Telfair fits right in. After tanking a season and extending the coach, it really doesn’t matter what they do with Telfair. They’re still a laughingstock. Danny needs to stop giving out and collecting titles. The only title he should have is head coach….or he needs to hire one.
Bassy is a bit of an idiot.
We’re not going to get anything for him.
If the other players are practicing with him, then he doesn’t seem to be a cancer in the lockerroom or anything like that.
My biggest problem with him is that he wasn’t that great last year. His defense was always bad. His shooting was good at the beginning of the season. His minutes began to decline and you could see his confidence just disappeared.
He is still young. We have a need for a PG and we can’t trade him. I see why they’re trying to give him another chance. He should start the season at 3rd on the depth chart. If he stays there and his only noteworthy actions continue to be police-related, cut him.
He had a few games where he showed promise on offense — I remember him running the pick and roll to perfection with Al a few times — but then something went bad-wrong with him and he stank most of the year. Anyone else think he looked scared out there – didn’t want to take his shot, hesitated before making his passes. Result was that when he was out there he either had no effect on the offense or he gummed things up/made turnovers.
by TedL on Jul 5, 2007 12:37 PM EDT reply actions
A millionaire young man visiting his hometown projects without security AND without a gun is STUPID. I feel I should have a weapon on me whenever I visit someone in the projects and I am not even famous, so imagine.
Telfair did a great thing for himself by buying a home in Vegas. That shows that he’s trying to escape the environment he is used to. Kudos, I hope he get’s a chance this year.
He is not at all good on defense, but he definately had nice moments on the offensive end. I would like to see more.
by BlackCeltic on Jul 5, 2007 1:05 PM EDT reply actions
Jeff
Thanks for posting a poll with regard to Bassy. I appreciate your efforts , however, I must say that I’m very tired of Celtics management lying to us and ignoring our sentiments.
You have posted various polls in which the fans have spoken loud and clear and yet management has gone on to make a decision with no regard to fan sentiment .
Most fans appear to be in favor of giving Bassy another chance , I can tell you exactly what will happen……he’ll be shipped off somewhere as a throw in.
That’s the team’s perrogative , but why must we be subjected to management’s spin when they have no desire to keep him ?
My message to Celtics management is :
"Quit the lies and start being more straightforward with the fans who are paying top dollar to support you ".
by DAS on Jul 5, 2007 1:09 PM EDT reply actions
Racist? Guns? Visiting the Projects w/o a weapon?
Come ON.
This thread is what’s ridiculous.
BlackCeltic, silly comment on society you just made, IMO.
Why do you need a weapon when you visit ‘the projects’?
Why visit ANYWHERE if you feel you’re going to get SHOT AT?!?!
Give me a break.
Sebastian HAD to have known the gun was under the seat.
And he HAD to have known his license was suspended.
He’s an idiot and I hope he leaves this sqaud and town.
My license has been suspened before, twice.
I know, and knew.
There is no way he couldn’t have known.
You are told that it is suspended.
And who drives around with a gun under the seat without knowing it’s there.
OR boards a plane with a gun in your bag.
OH, I forgot it was there…it’s not mine.
Bostonfan23, this guy is a CHUMP. Period.
He needs to leave.
mcpu40 said:
"This thread is what’s ridiculous.
BlackCeltic, silly comment on society you just made, IMO.
Why do you need a weapon when you visit ‘the projects’?
Why visit ANYWHERE if you feel you’re going to get SHOT AT?!?!
Give me a break."
I agree this thread is rediculous. That being said, the boy still has family in the inner NYC. Would you not go back to where you came from just because you all of a sudden became successful? That is not a silly outlook on soicety, this is a hard decision. You can get shot anywhere on planet earth, but going to a place where you are well known after becoming successful is risky. Having a weapon doesn’t change that but better safe than sorry some might say.
I cant blame them.
He just needs to get a license before he does get a record.
by BlackCeltic on Jul 5, 2007 1:26 PM EDT reply actions
I think he can run the point with this team, especially if Doc shuts up once in a while.
If we get “Team defense” down packed it would definately help, along with less minutes shared with Delonte.
by BlackCeltic on Jul 5, 2007 1:35 PM EDT reply actions
greendoc said:
So what if he had a driving violation and a gun in his car. Let Mass authorities deal with that. Now that D West is gone maybe Bassy will have a chance to play. This guys needs the ball in his hands, ala Steve Nash – to create.
He did have the ball in is hands for the 1st 30 games or so. The coach gave it to him to justify the trade for the#7 pick even though the Rondo was clearly head and shoulders better for the team.
And this gun issue, please, it’s not like Danny and company didn’t here about such issues when he was with Portland or at Hanscom Air Force Base in Bedford Mass. Oh yeah, I forgot, that was his girl friends gun.
Hondo said:
“Who cares whose gun it was, it was in his car. It may be even more concerning that he didn’t realize that someone left their gun in his car. That would indicate that a gun in his car is standard operating procedure. That is a b***s*** excuse anyway. What is he 15 years old; "Dad it wasn’t my liquor” it was (put name here)’s."
Banksot- I think that Hondo has a better answer than mine – even if he ain’t lyin about it being his gun, then his Standard Operating Procedure is “have gun will travel” (by plane or car)
Like I said earlier, this might be a more interesting discussion about Telfair (without bringing up guns at all) IF IF IF Telfair had all the necessary skills (at his height) to actually be a PG in the NBA. At his height in the NBA, you have to be exceptional to make up for what you give up in guarding larger, stronger and taller PG’s. He is not that exceptional that he makes up for that deficit – even on his best nights. On his worse nights he makes me want to get a gun and shoot my TV.
I hope he gets as many chances as he deserves – considering I am not paying the man, and I am not on that committee so I won’t try and figure out how many chances he should have as a Celtic. If I were paying the man, and I was on that committee he would be here long enough to see if I could recoup some of my money in a trade and consider it a lesson learned. If I couldn’t trade him, then I would give him one more big night at the Gah-en to clean out his locker.
Unless they pick up a someone useful, like Brevin…they’ll need Bassy here.
He won’t get better here, though.
Rondo is very young, and very energetic.
He’ll be playing lots & lots of minutes.
We still have Allan Ray (in addition to Pruitt).
Bassy is a 3rd option, at best…unless Rondo gets (knock on wood) hurt.
The dudes 21 years old fahcrise’sakes. He has excellent passing skills you look for in a PG. He’s short yes, has even shorter arms, and is not a leaper by any stretch, but he does has great vision and good quickness. This 21 year old has always been a scoring point. He should be in college still, and I think we’d be dumb to dump him. With Allen, Pierce, and an improved AJ, his stats and learning curve will only improve. Plus, he’s a knucklehead in a sense, but his mistakes are silly ones, and not the shooting up crap that most thugs are known for.
by Real World on Jul 5, 2007 1:40 PM EDT reply actions
Interesting thread. It’s hard to know what’s really going on in the kid’s head. Seems like he’s having a hard time gaining separation from the elite-thug lifestyle he grew up with. Moving to Vegas, being in better shape, Doc getting in his head is all fine. But based on what I saw last year, this kid doesn’t belong in the NBA.
by crocker90 on Jul 5, 2007 1:42 PM EDT reply actions
Oh man I forgot that Brini is still on this team. sigh
Saying that Bassy is the 3rd best point guard on this team is rediculous. Unless Pruitt turns out to be something special, Bassy is a step behind Rondo. The only reason why Rondo even eclipsed bassy is because of his stellar defense. If you can remember early in the year they were neck and neck and I even think Bassy rubbed off on Rondo as a vocal leader.
Rondo really came on late directing offensive traffic, when early in the season he was equal to a mime. We needed that because D. West is even quieter at the point.
by BlackCeltic on Jul 5, 2007 1:48 PM EDT reply actions
TELFAIR:
Averaged 3.2 assists per game, 7.2 points per game, and 21.3 minutes per game in is tumultuous career.
He’s 22, not 21.
He’s made poor decisions on the court, and off.
To me, it’s a no-brainer.
Get him out of town before he asks Pruitt for a ride to Waltham.
BREVIN KNIGHT:
Averaged 6.8 assists per game, 8.3 points per game, and 26.8 minutes per game.
He’s 31.
He’d be a nice back-up / mentor for Rondo.
The Celtics don’t need someone who needs a $50,000 necklace to show us he’s someone.
The Celtics are not in a position, nor do they have the luxury of cutting players right now especially at the pg. People can come up with their conspiracies and what not, but this is the fact. WE HAVE NO BACK UP PG. Bassy will get his last chance here, as the Celts will pick A.Ray’s deal up again, as Ray and Telfair will battle for the backup pg spot. We also need as many bodies on our roster, to not leave us “paper thin” when this next trade comes…..
21 during last season, 22 this one. Either way, the kid, cuz that is what he is, should be in college. He has ability, and is not a thug, just a little immature. If you shipped everyone who had a $50,000 necklace out of town, most of our pro-franchises wouldn’t be able to field a team. He’s not a whiney little brat like most players, is saying the right things, and is truly still a kid. I’d play this out since it costs nothing more than what’s owed this year.
by Real World on Jul 5, 2007 2:13 PM EDT reply actions
I just thought that telfair is stupid and that doc is stupid
and we gave doc a 2nd chance so why not telfair. Seriously
telfair was a 21 old kid last yr he did some stupid things
but if you check his heart and head now and see were he is at.
Also if you feel that he came to a team were the coach belittles
players on the court during games and in the press can you imagine
what bassy was exposed to away from tv and radio. especially doc
likes to belittle pgs(hopefully he was told to pipe it for rondo)
but my point being that once your whole game is being negatively
lambasted by doc things snowball and confidence subsides.
danny must have seen something in his skills to value it at a #7
2 spots less than ray allen. so maybe just give him a chance in
training camp to prove himself and if it doesnt work out, cut
him and absorb losing #7(foye roy gay etc)by signing a vet like
knight or blake
Allen Ray is not a PG. If it came down to Allen Ray, or Telfair, it’s Telfair 10 times out of 10. I like Ray, but he is a fringe player, and has virtually no PG skills. He can’t dribble.
by Real World on Jul 5, 2007 2:15 PM EDT reply actions
Dear Master Po, you know the Gopher Hollow Police Department (hereinafter known as GHPD) can not in any way condone your threatening an unarmed electronic device with a dangerous weapon. Please be advised that similar threats may result in a substantial fine, community service of not less than 100 hours, 6 months in the Gopher Hollow City Jail (not known for its culinary delights, viz. fried gopher liver in marinated sagebrush) or a combination of two or more of the aforementioned penalties.
Bassy will get his 3rd chance elsewhere, IMO.
Wait, is it his 4th chance?
Let’s see:
Drafted out of high school: first chance
Gun on plane, allowed to continue in NBA: second chance
Fabolous shooting incident, left mid-game to view line-up: third chance (iffy)
Suspended license, gun under seat: third/fourth chance
Chump, chump, chump.
NEW YORK (CNN) — The rapper known as Fabolous, whose legal name is John Jackson, was arraigned Wednesday on multiple weapons charges, according to the Manhattan district attorney’s office.
The 28-year-old hit maker was shot in the thigh as he left hip-hop impresario Sean “P. Diddy” Combs’ restaurant Justin’s at 12:30 a.m. Tuesday.
The rapper’s entourage, Kevin Bass, 18; Percell German, 23; and Rascharm Davis, 29 — all of Brooklyn, New York — apparently helped the injured Jackson into a 2005 Dodge Magnum.
Police said the car ran a red light, and officers who pulled the men over discovered two loaded guns inside. Both weapons were unlicensed, Sgt. Mike Wysokowski told The Associated Press.
All four men were arrested and charged with criminal possession of a weapon and criminal possession of a defaced firearm, police said.
The rapper was in police custody Tuesday after being treated at Bellevue Hospital. Police are searching for the shooter.
Manhattan district attorney spokesperson Barbara Thompson said Jackson’s next court appearance is Friday, October 20.
A Brooklyn native, Jackson is known for his hits “Breathe” and “Can’t Deny it.” He has worked with respected hip-hop producers such as Scott Scorch, the Neptunes and Just Blaze.
Pop audiences will recognize him from his rap interlude on Jennifer Lopez’s 2005 dance single “Get Right.”
Calls made to Jackson’s record label, Def Jam Records, were not returned. Jackson is the latest of many rappers who have been shot or involved in gunfights.
Deshaun Holton, the rapper known as Proof and a member of the hip-hop group D12 associated with Eminem, was shot to death in April in Detroit.
In May, the New York Post reported that a gunfight broke out at a Queens barbeque at which G-Unit rapper Lloyd Banks — affiliated with rapper 50 Cent — was eating. An 18-year-old bystander was hit in the neck, his family told the newspaper.
The same month, a rapper named Jamal “Gravy” Woolard was shot outside New York City’s hip-hip radio station Hot 97.
In February 2005, 50 Cent and rapper The Game got into an argument that erupted in gunfire outside the station.
In 2001, a member of another rapper’s entourage was shot in the back outside Hot 97. The incident led to rapper L’il Kim serving jail time — which came to an end with her release earlier this year — for lying to authorities about the shooting.
Real World – A. Ray is not a pg, but it’s the C’s that want him to work on his pg skills, and thats when they would pick up his option. And yes, thats how scary the backup pg situation here in Boston is.
On a side note, If this whole KG thing doesn’t happen soon, i wouldn’t mind going after Gerald Wallace in a sign&trade. Maybe Theo and Green for G. Wallace, and a filler? I think we all know what Gerald Wallace would bring to our team….and we need that. If not Ray allen and Paul Pierce on the floor at the same time, it would be Gerald Wallace playing D with one of them while still having Al.
If he is brought back, which would be a huge mistake, in my opinion, I think the Celts should have a “Big Se-bashin’ Telfair night at the Gah-en.”
by aQua on Jul 5, 2007 2:56 PM EDT reply actions
Have any of you guys searched the net for Pruitt comments? A LOT of other NBA teams considered him a late first round pick as a POINT GUARD!
BTW, I carry a gun in my car on trips. I have never needed it, or used it, but to me, it’s like insurance, a spare tire, a flashlight et al. If I ever DO need it on a trip, I’ll prolly wish I had the Plasma Rifle or the BFG instead. (Doom anyone?). Also while I’ve never lost my license, I (as do you) know peeps who have who turned out to be pretty respecable citizens.
Now if he had been picked up with a load of cocaine or MJ ever, I would be looking at him far differently. Or stopped for DWI while doing 110 in a 30 MPH zone at 3:30 am (how many pro athletes have made the papers that way? one a week about?)
by Wilt on Jul 5, 2007 3:03 PM EDT reply actions
I’ll say it again: 4th chance -
Bassy will get his 3rd chance elsewhere, IMO.
Wait, is it his 4th chance?
Let’s see:
Drafted out of high school:
FIRST CHANCE
Gun on plane, allowed to continue in NBA:
SECOND CHANCE
Fabolous shooting incident, left mid-game to view line-up:
THIRD CHANCE (iffy)
Suspended license, gun under seat:
THIRD / FOURTH CHANCE
Chumpitty, chump, chump, chump.
mcpu40: “Fabolous shooting incident, left mid-game to view line-up:
THIRD CHANCE (iffy)”
Please try putting yourself in other people’s shoes. Many of us wouldn’t mind switching places with that so called “chump” who is a real Celtic unlike us everyday die hard fans. If I were robbed, I would leave work to see if I could find out who did it too. Last season is one whole big incidident in itself.
Let’s see what he can do for us, whether it be in a trade or on the parque.
by BlackCeltic on Jul 5, 2007 3:31 PM EDT reply actions
Perhaps you are correct BlackCeltic, but that’s why I said ‘iffy’.
It’s a tough call, that incident…I mean.
He was robbed…that much is clear.
But there is possibly more to the story than just a simple robbery.
I just have a very hard time giving this guy the benefit of the doubt.
Especially being ‘caught’ with a gun twice.
It isn’t my decision.
And if he IS on the team next year, it won’t effect my attendence.
Nor will it effect my rooting for him on the team.
I just want a group of players that represent the Celtics well, on & off the court.
So far, he’s doing neither.
I just read the Leon Powe article by JB – Po(we) is EXACTLY the kind of guy who deserves to wear a Celtic uniform and Telfair could take a lesson or two from this guy on how to be a REAL man, how to conduct yourself on and off the court, and how to focus your energy in the right way.
Telfair got lots of games to prove he belonged here (it was handed to him)-he failed. Po(we) on the other hand had to wait until injuries gave him the chance – he earned it in a big big way!! Despite the absolute stupidity and stubborness of Doc, Po(we) showed he could play just like Gomes did when he FINALLY got his chance. I say spend time making a roster spot for Po(we) (he can rebound like he is 6’11" and let’s quit worrying about Telfair.
Well I am hoping Pruitt is that guy Brick. So far Danny has been money in the second draft rounds.
Based on that, I’m optimistic.
by BlackCeltic on Jul 5, 2007 3:44 PM EDT reply actions
I like Powe just as much as you do Po, but he will be in a dual against Big Baby this year for his spot.
by BlackCeltic on Jul 5, 2007 3:49 PM EDT reply actions
Wow, isn’t a little too early to wish for the return of D.
West. IMO, Telfair will back up Rondo until Pruitt is trusted enough to be given the reins of the second unit.
by AllabouttheGREEN on Jul 5, 2007 4:09 PM EDT reply actions
I have no problem keeping Sebastian, as a backup point guard, he’s a great and cost efficient option. Plus he has considerable upside.
Big man is a bigger need, and if we can get a decent big, and have to live with Sebastian as our backup, I can certainly live with that.
by Kevin Riley on Jul 5, 2007 4:27 PM EDT reply actions
Interesting that our bloggers have the “largess” to give Telfair another chance. He already had two years of failure with his previous team and failed to display good decision-making in his third try here. Guys, we’re a desperate team and not in a position to coddle any player UNLESS that player shows “sparks” of dominance.
Rondo showed the type of potential in his first half-year that Telfair has failed to show in 3 years. His lack of judgement off the court has already been authenticated on the court.
I’m ready to see what Gabe Pruit has before wasting more training time on Telfair. We’re in serious trouble on the bench (coaching vacancies) as well as experience at the PG position. Time to hear something of SUBSTANCE from management regarding “the foot that failed to drop”!
Signing Ray Allen made sense if indeed the Celtic’s were prepared to bolster the PG and inside big positions. Settling for Telfair at PG and the “Kandi-man” inside (as one thread has suggested with fan endorsement) just mires us in perpetual hell!
by moskqq on Jul 5, 2007 4:33 PM EDT reply actions
I think everyone suspects that he has talent some where within him. If he can bring it out, help the team and salvage his life, we will all come out winners.
by Big Cat on Jul 5, 2007 4:52 PM EDT reply actions
When the Telfair incident occurred I think Wyc overreacted before knowing all the facts. Hopefully this was his wakeup call. Now he needs to make himself coachable.
This incident could turn out to be the best thing that happened to him. I think he has the ability within him to be a good player. I would like to see him get that 2nd chance in Boston. I think there will be a roster spot for him. I don’t see Olowokandi and Allen Ray returning.
The problem is this FA is super weak and there isnt anything viable on the horizon that any other team wont overpay for first..
by havlicekstoletheball on Jul 5, 2007 5:02 PM EDT reply actions
Time to face hard facts, guys. Telfair is the “second-coming” of Dan Dickau. Both players had excellent high school reumes’ but high school is a big jump away from the NBA.
Why the concern with cost (re Kandi-man and Telfair could come cheap)? Are we building “on-the-cheap” or are we rebuilding a dynasty? With T.V. revenues up and ticket prices up and profit margins up, isn’t it time to reinvest some of those profits into a competitive product?
I’m OUTRAGED that our coaching deficiencies are being treated in such “cavalier” fashion. Aren’t you??? What’s HAPPENED to this blogger nation that crap is being sent your way and you’ve lost your will to PROTEST? Has failure drained your common sense???
by moskqq on Jul 5, 2007 5:11 PM EDT reply actions
Oh, Please be patient while we wait for Ratliff to heal (from back surgery). He COULD solve all our problems…..Danny, please don’t promise the moon by giving us a “second helping” of worn-out players who failed to produce in the past!!!!
we have a right to expect a better product. Oh, Ya….forgot to mention that our COACH came cheap too…saved about 4 million on his contract too???
by moskqq on Jul 5, 2007 5:22 PM EDT reply actions
Delonte West was an “over-achiever” who gained our admiration because he always played hard. Alas, he had no real position and had serious deficiencies in his game. Time to move on….
by moskqq on Jul 5, 2007 5:25 PM EDT reply actions
No reason to dump Telfair for nothing. He’s young, is suffering from being over hyped, and has made some mistakes. A dose of humble pie will be good for him.
I hope he comes back to contribute … he’s low risk, low money and expiring. What’s to lose? I think deep down he’s a pretty good kid who got caught up in some bad circumstances and made poor decisions. I’m not ashamed to root for him.
If this was PP we wouldn’t be having this discussion. People just look for a reason to boot him out of town. If he were a star last year then the majority of you would be saying nothing. He played like crap last year. So did the majority of the Celtics in the first half of the year. If we had traded Big AL in the first half for KG everyone would have been thrilled. If he has put in the hard work that he has this offseason then lets see what he does in the preseason before we jump ship. If we could take the scum of the NBA and get a championship out of it you would in a heartbeat. Don’t pretend to be offended by him. 75% of these guys in the NBA are guys you wouldn’t want dating your daughters, so stop trying to make them out to be role models. Bird was one hell of a player, but he sure abandoned his daughter. Wouldn’t want my son to look up to that as a role model…
Delonte is a solid backup combo gaurd who can fill in at point. But – he is definitely not a natural point gaurd. I’m not inclined to give Telfair a second chance, because he was so awful last year. I’m starting to buy into the idea of getting Knight.
Based on mpcu40’s post, 7 assists, 8 points in 27 minute per game would be a nice fit for a team loaded with scorers like Ray Ray, Pierce, Jefferson and Green. He could help win games.
by crocker90 on Jul 5, 2007 6:52 PM EDT reply actions
Brick may think he is the #1 Delonte fan on this site …but he ain’t….it’s me and another guy ;D …..So if anyone has bashing rights it’s me.
But I will move on because it does no good to linger in the past so screw the anti DW peeps and kiss my temple door. Cream always rises to the top an so will my boy DW
My new boy is Leon Po(we)
;D
though it might be a bit risky entering this fray…
given (1) tony allen’s troubles (he was accused of something far worse) and the discussions that grew out of them. and (2) the number of posters who wish to ship telfar out of town because of his “thug-o-city” AND his poor play last year, my question is this:
if telfair last year had put up number along the lines of 11 pts, 5 assts, how would the tone and distribution of criticism be affected?
just curious.
I truly admire Delonte West. His enthusiasm and commitment to basketball is worthy of our respect. However in the larger picture, we have to acknowledge his failures as well as his successes.
I’ll continue to follow his NBA exploits and hope that he does turn the corner in his career. I wish him the best and habor no ill will towards him. I know he tried his best.
It is time to move on, however, and look at our remaining pieces and our roster voids. We gave the Ray Allen trade a very hard look, it’s time we did the same for the rest of the staff!
by moskqq on Jul 5, 2007 8:11 PM EDT reply actions
Sorry soap07, Brick is likely correcet here regarding Delonte.
He is a solid hoopster with, as they say, an above average basketball IQ.
You gotta give something to get something.
Wally was the throw in here (even though his salary is a joke).
- & Delonte are what Seattle are expecting to see on the floor.
- & Ray Allen are what we are expecting in return.
Wally’s ridiculous salary offsets Ray Allen’s somewhat ‘deserved’ salary.
Any way you slice it, it’s nice that Wally is gone.
Possibly opening the door for the KG years (three @ best) in beantown.
The Sonics wear green
The Sonics have Delonte
The Sonics may move to Oklahoma City (I could drive there from Kansas)
The Sonics have the guy I dreamed the Celtics could get – Durant
Maybe after 39 years as a Celtic fan I simply move on…. it’s very tough as my autographed Bob Cousy picture stares at me with disdain
Help me Master find the path that I should take.
Calling someone a “chump” or a “punk” when you dont know the person is just elitist garbage.
by ThroughtheFire on Jul 5, 2007 9:06 PM EDT reply actions
hwangjini_1,
If Telfair had 11 & 5, I’d be harping on how tough it is to get out of the inner city lifestyle, how he hasn’t done anything really bad, how he seems like a good kid at heart, etc. I’m sure the vast majority of Celts fans would say the same thing. So, the real problem is his level of play. When Doc was tanking, he’d play Telfair for long stretches, and I applauded. Because it meant a better chance in the lottery. Sigh.
by crocker90 on Jul 5, 2007 9:38 PM EDT reply actions
Some of you posters’ seem young, sheltered and overly judgemental. I don’t think any of you know what it truly means to REALLY grow up in the projects. I don’t either, but I’ve seen a lot. So, I applaud a kid who makes it out of there without being academically gifted. All they have is skill, luck and a dream with very little to fall back on. They work harder than you could ever imagine. Driven! No true role models, and no extended support group. Just the same old neighborhood guys waiting to laugh at them when they fail. Laughing, even though they failed to try. Show some understanding; a little empathy. He’s from a different world many of us were sheltered from. Let’s pray for this young, rich, influential kid instead of sinking our teeth into his little known personal life.
As for basketball, he’s a baller. New York City HS Basketball’s all-time leading scorer. He played well to start last season, but without players around him working as a unit he was destined to fail. If Doc had a definable offensive scheme, the kid would have been ok. I do think Rondo would have eventually overtaken him, and is definitely our starter, but Sebastian could have had a successful season. He’s lighting quick, an amazing ball handler, efficient passer, and a definite finisher at the rim. His defensive deficiencies can be improved upon if he shows the desire, and I think he does. I say we keep him, play him, and watch him flourish. Plus, we need him. He has to fill some of Deltone’s minutes in the 2nd qtr.
Unless he starts playing real defense and can stop the guy he’s playing from penetrating at will, trade him…this team’s got enough holes defensively as it is.
The other stuff is just a matter of growing up and learning to be a professional. He could probably benefit a great deal from a season with Ray Allen.
by TimBird on Jul 6, 2007 6:14 AM EDT reply actions
ThroughtheFire said:
Calling someone a “chump” or a “punk” when you dont know the person is just elitist garbage.
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Not really…not when they’re bagged carrying a hidden hand gun onto a plane.
And then AGAIN bagged speeding with no license & an unlicensed hand gun under the seat.
Sorry ThroughtheFire, that’s grounds for being termed a ‘chump’.
Master Po said:
The Sonics wear green
The Sonics have Delonte
The Sonics may move to Oklahoma City (I could drive there from Kansas)
The Sonics have the guy I dreamed the Celtics could get – Durant
Maybe after 39 years as a Celtic fan I simply move on…. it’s very tough as my autographed Bob Cousy picture stares at me with disdain
Help me Master find the path that I should take.
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Current management and ownership show no allegiance whatsoever to the fan, their own players (intentionally losing for lottery position is as harmful to players long-term as it is to fans), and the league by extending the league’s worst coach…a caracature of himself. The product they continue to put out is comical. So Oh Great One, I really don’t know what to tell you. Tough call.
Brick may have it right. Except Toronto is too far away for either one of us.
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