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I have a confession.  I have no idea what the Celtics should do next.  Bloggers are supposed to have strong feelings and opinions and share them with the world.  Usually I do.  Normally I write as if I am consulting the team on what they should do or preparing the fans for what they probably will do.  Not today.  I’m as clueless as a valley girl.  If Danny Ainge himself walked up to me and asked for my advice, I’d slap him on the back and say "best of luck buddy."

In trying to read the marathon article by dobbs followed by the twisting logic of The Duke’s conspiracy theory, I think I sprained my brain and I’ll be writing with a limp for a week.

I got about a quarter of the way through writing an article about targeting Marcus Camby as a trade target before I confused myself and ditched it.  I got halfway through an article about the luxury tax and bored myself to sleep.  That one is gone too.  (Side note: the whole process of crumpling up a piece of paper that you’ve been writing on and tossing it into the trash used to be oddly satisfying, but never happens to me anymore.  It has been replaced with a simple click of the "x" in the top right.  Maybe I need a StrongBad sound file that says "Deleted!"  But I digress…)

Here’s the thing, I keep trying to talk myself into thinking that one way is the right direction, only to talk myself right out of it.  It is like a one-man reenactment of the Vizzini scene in the Princess Bride.

"Only a desperate man would sell off all his assets to take one shot at a ring so clearly he can’t trade for KG.  Only a schizophrenic man would trade for Ray Allen only to turn around and deal Paul Pierce, so clearly he can’t be planning for the future.  Only a self loathing man would go with an unbalanced, stuck-between-plans team as it is now, so clearly Ainge can’t stand pat.  Only a man with a blank check and a Zeke complex would sign up for 3 max contracts and whatever contract that Al Jefferson is going to re-sign for, so clearly he can’t be targeting a big name in a trade."

Ainge has said a number of times he’s "not done" and he’s got a roster with gaping holes at the center and point guard spots.  We’ve already seen the team start to trot out the "Telfair and Ratliff could still be useful" song and dance.  Fool me once…

Does that mean we'll go after the really big fish?  Ok, maybe my KG dream will finally die, but does that mean we won't go after Gasol either?  What about the next tier down?  Will the owners CTC (cut the check) by dealing away Ratliff's contract and bringing back someone (like Camby or Odom) that will land them squarely in Luxury Tax Land.  By now you've been briefed as to why owners think of that place as a house of horrors and fans have been pointed to the Knicks as a reason why it will never work.  Of course, the Mavs did alright with it before getting shellacked in last year's first round.  So I'm not sure what theory that proves.

For every plan, there is a risk.  It seems that Ainge has painted himself into a corner.  He’ll be revealed as a genius or a fool or maybe even both.  Whatever happens, I'll be sure not to tell you "I told you so."

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“By George, I think you’ve got it.”

Nice work, Jeff.

In a few short paragraphs you’ve summed up the Celtics situation/dilemma, which has been the cause of thousands of posts and verbal analysis’ over the last few weeks.

“Whatever happens…” Indeed!

by JB_Celticsstuff on Jul 9, 2007 6:31 AM EDT reply actions  

I still think this is a two part plan now. First we try the Pierce/Allen plan for the next 3-4 years. For this I see Danny bringing in a couple mid level type “vets” to fill our needs. If plan A doesn’t work we will move onto building around Al (he will still be young at this time)

by warriorspirit on Jul 9, 2007 6:37 AM EDT reply actions  

a caller on the celtics suff live show made an excellent point. when you’re winning, in the playoffs, you’re bringing in the fans and making money. you got to spend money to make money. look at the red sox. wyc and the boys better go after what’s out there.

by nazzbo on Jul 9, 2007 6:45 AM EDT reply actions  

I think the Celtics are still targeting Yi, I own a company which imports from China and know they like to control the distribution of their products, the request they made about where Yi would go was a requirement not a suggestion, it can be negotiated but they rairly change their minds. If Yi is not traded he won’t get a visa and the 6th pick will be wasted, people forget China is still a communist country.

by michael32951 on Jul 9, 2007 6:54 AM EDT reply actions  

StrongBad…I love it!

Michael32951 could be on to something.
Targeting Yi would be ‘planning for the future’.
He doesn’t want to be in Milwaukee…I can see that happening.

by mcpu40 on Jul 9, 2007 7:08 AM EDT reply actions  

Last summer I waited for the other shoe to drop (Iverson). Again, this summer I’m waiting for the next move. Is Danny just being patient like he should or is he taking advantage of me and my Celtic addiction?

by Little D on Jul 9, 2007 7:25 AM EDT reply actions  

David Stern is getting involved in the Yi situation (Real GM).

by Little D on Jul 9, 2007 7:27 AM EDT reply actions  

After the summer league… we’ll be entering the dog days of summer….. with the Red Sox heating up for September and the Patriots preparing for the season…..and 1/10% will be vying for the Bruins….

So it my estimation, it would behoove us to just sit back and relax and get ready for the season….but then again we’ll need something to fill us up everyday with CELTIC talk….so fire away Jeff..

How much more of this can we take!

by Ancient Red on Jul 9, 2007 7:28 AM EDT reply actions  

A life time Ancient Red, a life time.

by Little D on Jul 9, 2007 7:31 AM EDT reply actions  

Jeff’s inability to see a way forward simply underscores the fact that the Ray Allen trade was made out of desperation rather than purpose.

I see in Bulpett’s article this morning that Tom Thibodeau refused to come here. That’s just one more vote of no confidence in Ainge and Rivers.

by Brickowski on Jul 9, 2007 7:48 AM EDT reply actions  

Adelman didn’t retain him?

by Little D on Jul 9, 2007 8:05 AM EDT reply actions  

No, Thibodeau accepted a job with the Wizards, then changed his mind.

by Brickowski on Jul 9, 2007 8:08 AM EDT reply actions  

jeff – now you know what it must feel like to be danny ainge…

…if only danny had a “delete” key as well.

by Andy Jick on Jul 9, 2007 8:09 AM EDT reply actions  

“It seems that Ainge has painted himself into a corner.”

I still believe the owners were holding the paintbrush.

by boscel33 on Jul 9, 2007 8:11 AM EDT reply actions  

Hmmm, just another sign this management team has to win now.

by Little D on Jul 9, 2007 8:12 AM EDT reply actions  

Brick, Bulpett’s Article states:

“To partially correct something reported here earlier, the Celts did have strong interest in him, but it was not a fit at the time. According to one side, he wanted more than the two years the Celts could offer (to coincide with coach Doc Rivers’ deal). According to the other, Thibodeau didn’t believe it was the right place for him.”

This may mean he didn’t want to come, or it may mean he wanted a longer contract than the Celtics were willing to give. But, you just go for the most negative stance on every single aspect of the team.

by DannyAinge44 on Jul 9, 2007 8:16 AM EDT reply actions  

I for one don’t fear luxury land, it’s not my money. The Knicks got their in terrible fashion. If we brouth in an expensive big, it wouldn’t change this year too much (well except for Theo’s insurance money) – but it would push the next two years upwards of 80 million. Right now we are a first or second round playoff team in most people’s eyes. That’s 6 or so home playoff games. How much revenue per a home game? If a big man gets us in the finals, does that pay off? Certainly if the FSN deal comes up for renegotiation, having a ECF or Finals team makes a difference.

If the Celtics put a quality product on the floor and they will own the late winter and spring around here.

by Brendan on Jul 9, 2007 8:22 AM EDT reply actions  

To me the most important move has been made for now. I think the C’s will have 3 open roster spots (Kandi, Dwest, Allen Ray). One will probably be filled by Brandon Wallace. I don’t think there will be a major trade. I don’t think the C’s are looking long-term as far as further moves go and probably the free-agent market is the way to go. There are players there who could fulfill our needs as veteran backups and it could probably be done with short-length contracts for little money. Doc was pitching for free-agents to give a us a call when he was on during the first summer league game. The only reason we’re talking about this is because we didn’t land Oden or Durant. If we did get one of them it still would be a bit of a project before they’re ready to have an impact. So I think the dilemma of what the C’s should do is mainly in our minds and is influenced by what happened in the lottery.

by TrueGreen on Jul 9, 2007 8:27 AM EDT reply actions  

Brickowski, you’re to much, (refused).

by Little D on Jul 9, 2007 8:28 AM EDT reply actions  

The bottom line is that Thibodeau refused to come here. He’s a good coach, and if he wanted more money or a longer deal management should have coughed it up. Where is it written in stone that an assistant can’t have a longer deal than the head coach?

Whatever reason you accept for Thibodeau’s rejection of the Celtics, it shows how dysfunctional the management of the Celtics is right now.
Penny wise and pound foolish. They won’t give a few hundred thousand extra for an excellent coach but they are just dying to drop 55 million for a two-year rental of a player who doesn’t want to be here.

by Brickowski on Jul 9, 2007 8:39 AM EDT reply actions  

TrueGreen, I hope you’re wrong. IMO they do need another major acquisition. Management should have continued to build with youth, since the decision was made to get Ray Allen it’s all or nothing (for me anyways). The future is here. Are they a better team now? Of course. Are they championship material? Of course not. That’s why I believe they need KG or to a lesser extent Camby, Odom, AK47 or someone else in that upper echelon of talent.

by Little D on Jul 9, 2007 8:48 AM EDT reply actions  

But, you say he “refused to come here” when it may have just been a contract issue. Then, to call this a “a vote of no confidence in Ainge and Rivers” is just silly.

by DannyAinge44 on Jul 9, 2007 8:54 AM EDT reply actions  

[quote="brick"]Jeff’s inability to see a way forward simply underscores the fact that the Ray Allen trade was made out of desperation rather than purpose[/quote]
I agree with this. Bringing in 32 yr old 2 guard Ray Allen to pair with 30 yr old Pierce 2/3 (start of season) is a pure appeasement move unless they stock this roster with a bunch of vets who know how to play/win now. Ray Allen has a 2 to 3 year window to play at a high level. To justify getting rid of pick 5 and Delonte (mostly pick 5), we’d need to go for a championship within Allen’s short window, or else it was a pointless ruse/appeasement charade. It’s pure nonsense when they talk about Allen going strong for 6 years (when he’ll be 38). Either Ainge stocks the team with a bunch of vets, the way S.A, and Miami, and Detroit did (because that’s what’s necessary if you’re at championship level), or it will be readily apparent that this move was purely to appease Pierce and the impatient among the fan base.

We’ll know well before training camp whether this was a legit move with an eye toward capturing a championship in Allen’s short window, or whether it was window dressing to appease Pierce and fool an impatient fan base. We’ll be able to tell by seeing whether Ainge has surrounded Pierce and Allen with vets or not.

by Zoots on Jul 9, 2007 8:58 AM EDT reply actions  

Yikes. How come there’s no edit option. I just said the same thing 3 times above. :P

by Zoots on Jul 9, 2007 9:01 AM EDT reply actions  

Refused is a strong word. You could also look at it this way, the Celtics refused to give an assistant coach who’s former team didn’t get out of the 1st round of the playoffs a three year deal.

But overall, I understand your belief, that this management team lacks any kind of respect from the basketball world. I tend to agree with you, they seem to be loosing more credibility everyday. I hope they prove me us wrong, I don’t want to make the payoffs, I want to contend for the championship.

by Little D on Jul 9, 2007 9:09 AM EDT reply actions  

IF, and I mean IF we go against anybody at all, it will be after small fish, which will not cost much. We already made 1 big trade and thats enough, in the minds of the owners. We might go after a 2nd tier PG. Thats all. Mark my words.

by Reyquila on Jul 9, 2007 9:33 AM EDT reply actions  

Little D, My thought is that the major player will come from within the current roster or, by luck, thru a free-agent acquisition. A trade for any of the people you mention would cost us alot of what we’ve been building till now and I’m not sure any of the players you mention, including KG, would make us immediate contenders. I think the trade for Ray Allen buys us time to search for other guys and at the same time it will help a guy like GG improve his game. (I guess deep down I’m really looking for GG to be that other guy). Even with PP, Ray Allen and Big Al we could have three all star caliper players already. Rondo could be a premier guard in this league even without a shot which I think he’ll develop. Alot of our problem is on defense and I think that is something we can work on this year. Till now it’s been the individual development of players. You can’t just put all this together at once. This is a good discussion and it shows how hard it is to build a contender quickly. Miami did it, but it was for one year. Now they’re on the way down and their money is so tied up that they have nowhere to go. I don’t want to see that happen to the C’s.

by TrueGreen on Jul 9, 2007 9:39 AM EDT reply actions  

Good article Jeff. I suggest that you and all of us “die hard” Celtic fans take a year off.
It’s just 340 days until the lottery drawing. We can only bleed so much and it has been years of suffering and misery. In 340 days, Danny’s and Doc’s fate will be sealed and we can come back with renewed vitality. Heck, maybe even WYC will have had enough and quit. Just take a long time out Jeff; step back for a year and regroup like we all should. A good time-out will help us all.

That said, I think the Celtics ought to …….! ;D

by scndtony on Jul 9, 2007 9:42 AM EDT reply actions  

Little D, I should also say that I don’t think the Ray Allen deal was an all or nothing thing. Allen just gives us a better Wally with only one additional year of contract issues. To me it’s a step in a process.

by TrueGreen on Jul 9, 2007 9:44 AM EDT reply actions  

We’re one move away, folks. And that move is adding a dance team and an HD jumbotron.

by Luke Middleton on Jul 9, 2007 10:12 AM EDT reply actions  

The could easily win 50 games by adding an HD jumbotron. When another team’s player got hot, they could just drop it on him and squish him. They wouldn’t need to play any defense at all.

by Brickowski on Jul 9, 2007 10:16 AM EDT reply actions  

TrueGreen said:
   Allen just gives us a better Wally with only one additional year of contract issues.

Comparing Wally to Ray is a severe injustice to Ray. Wally was the worst “pure shooter” I’ve ever seen. I’m so glad he’s gone. If I had to watch him miss another open shot I might shoot myself. I don’t think a lot of you have truly watched Ray Allen play. Not only is this guy the best pure shooter I’ve ever seen, but he adds so much more. Now we actually have a go-to guy who won’t miss clutch free throws at the end of games. How many games have we lost due to Pierce and company missing free throws in the fourth quarter? This guy is automatic. Have you noticed that the Celts rarely get blown out? They usually have a lead late in the game but lose because they can’t knock down key shots. Well now we have the man to do that – THE FINISHER – Mr. Ray Allen!

by AdCam on Jul 9, 2007 10:24 AM EDT reply actions  

DannyAinge44 said:
This may mean he didn’t want to come, or it may mean he wanted a longer contract than the Celtics were willing to give. But, you just go for the most negative stance on every single aspect of the team.
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The team won 24 games. The team is clueless, dysfunctional, and lazy defensively. The “coach” uses the least likely successful crunch-time strategy when he’s NOT tanking. Players are continually jacked around. Specific players are publicly browbeat by the “coach”. When down 30, the “coach” is yukking it up with the opponent. We extended said “coach”. We traded the highest lottery pick we could cheat for – the highest pick we’ve had in 10 years along with a true Celtic for a 32 year old SG who is coming off 2 surgeries, plays the team’s most redundant position, and addresses none of the team’s weaknesses. Instead of having a potential real contributor at the PF/center position in summer league, our newest hope and revelation is an undrafted center being plugged into the 3. The most storied franchise in sports history spent the season sitting out healthy players in a quest to cheat for draft position. So many healthy players were held out that we had to borrow a player from the D-league.

I’m with Brick.

I’m quite sure that good assistant coaches are like good free agent players.
Why would any established assistant or any free agent want to work under the coach and organization who has overseen this?

by iowa plowboy on Jul 9, 2007 10:35 AM EDT reply actions  

iowa plowboy said:
(to paraphras) a bunch of played out negative things about Doc & the overall team.

blah blah boring blah.
i believe in the team.
i like the ray allen move.
and i look forward to watching Doc coach next season.
how do you like them apples?

by mcpu40 on Jul 9, 2007 10:41 AM EDT reply actions  

Sir Rants Alot has a blockage of written words. He wants them to have meaning and yet finds none…………………….

  ………be yourself and never fear thus to be naked to the eyes of others. Yet know that men so often mask themselves that what is simple is rarely understood. The dust of truth swirls and seeks its own cracks of entry and a tree falling in the forest without ears to hear makes no sound. Yet it falls." – Master Po

One assume Danny has a crack (somewhere) and there is some dust settling around this crack as we speak………. be patient grasshopper

Peace
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by Master Po on Jul 9, 2007 11:00 AM EDT reply actions  

Let’s help you out, first of all stop with the Princess Bride analogies and put Under Siege or Die Hard on tonight and power up.

Second, Danny has followed a plan (even if the ping pong God still has it in for us) – to build through the draft and good value trades which has some good output and some not-so-good results but in either case it is not blog friendly because it requires patience. Patience is almost the opposite of the instant update blog world.
Third, I’m psyched for next year. Our own guys are a year older, Ray Allen is a class act who can shoot lights out and has more years in him I believe, Davis and Pruitt looked OK in LV game one and Wallace could be a find.
Fourth, it is getting redundant to write about Doc even though that disettles us all to one degree or another. I mean there’s only so much agida that can be generated over Doc.
Try some story lines that start “What if…” such as “What if Theo Ratliff is good to go”, “What if Rondo can’t shoot” etc

by Wildblu1 on Jul 9, 2007 11:04 AM EDT reply actions  

TrueGreen,
I think Rondo is more ready to be a key player over GG by 2 years.
This is where we will have to agree to disagree. To me, giving up the #5 and Delonte for Ray Allen is a move that says we’re going for it now, other wise, why wouldn’t you continue to develop and gather the chips? I don’t mind the trade so much but to me, you can’t go half way up the ladder, you either stay on the bottom rung or go to the top.

? If we had KG or Al and Camby playing along with Ray and PP, you don’t think we could contend?

by Little D on Jul 9, 2007 11:17 AM EDT reply actions  

I think your apples have worms.

by Little D on Jul 9, 2007 11:23 AM EDT reply actions  

Perhaps Little D, perhaps.
I am not alone, however, in anticipating a succesful Celtics’ season.
Complaining, whining, and the like makes one grow old quick.

by mcpu40 on Jul 9, 2007 12:05 PM EDT reply actions  

Jeff … I love it.. A Princess Bride reference. One of my favorite movies. All is good in the world today. I will check back tomorrow. ;D ;D ;D

by Hondo on Jul 9, 2007 12:13 PM EDT reply actions  

mcpu40,
I not knocking you, I’m curious, what do you consider a successful season?

by Little D on Jul 9, 2007 12:19 PM EDT reply actions  

It is not “who”, it is “glue”. You don’t have to have the best players, you do have to have the best team. If these guys gel, they will make noise and others will not be so reticent to join the Celts. I really believe this…and I believe Danny has been doing the right thing. If the team becomes a “team” we have both the experience and youth to be a factor for the next few years at least.

by thirstyboots18 on Jul 9, 2007 12:32 PM EDT reply actions  

The more and more I read, the less and less enthused I am regarding this ownership.
I will always believe Danny is not half as bad a GM as people (national media) make him out to be.
 
www.sportsguyredux.blogspot.com

by MBurke15 on Jul 9, 2007 12:45 PM EDT reply actions  

What I’d consider a successful season, by mcpu40:

1. A healthy season, most importantly, will help yield a ‘successful season’. That is, little to no considerable missed time due to injury by Paul Pierce, Al Jefferson, Kendrick Perkins, Rajon Rondo, and Ray Allen.

2. A successful season will see Tony Allen come back to the team at 85% (at least) of the T.A. we saw prior to his silly, after-the-clock-stopped injury. That’ll help get defensive stops when needed. From what I’ve read and seen, it appears T.A. is on his way to this.

3. Role players such as Gerald Green, Scal, Gomes, even Big Baby, have the ready ability to step up and hit shots, box out, set picks.

Should the above items occur with steadfast consistency over the long haul that is an 82-game NBA season, we will watch a successful season. The team will play over .500 basketball and should be able to make the 2nd round of the playoffs.

I believe in this team…I always will.

It’s got nothing to do with ‘Kool-Aid’, hating Doc, complaining about Danny, Wyc, the dancers, etc..

It’s the Celtic tradition that I’m addicted to and will always have at the core of my being. I cannot turn on this team, ever.

I support our coach, Doc…and our GM, Danny.

I think Doc is a great mentor for the kids that are on this team…a great teacher, and I think they (for the most part) believe in him too.

And I can’t wait for 4PM today to watch the game…and for the season to start in November.

by mcpu40 on Jul 9, 2007 12:49 PM EDT reply actions  

Yeah, Ray Allen has a three year window to play at a top level which coincidentally matches up with the three years remaining on his salary. Gee, what a concept getting a player who will produce comiserate with his salary. Yet, it was a desparation move. This from a guy who thinks the Celtics should have traded Pierce for Kirelenko who is owed $60 plus million and couldn’t break double digets in points last year. Brick, if you are going to accuse the Celtics of being desparate, stop advocating for real desparation moves like any trade involving Kirelenko.

by JohnCK on Jul 9, 2007 2:14 PM EDT reply actions  

TrueGreen said that we need to work on defense in order to improve….May said that we needed Kirilenko so that we could improve our defense. He was even willing to trade Jefferson to get Kirilenko. Should this be our strategy for 2007?

One important fact should not go unnoticed. Our team is basically composed of players lacking one-on-one NBA defensive credentials. Is this tragedy so intractable that it requires us to blow-up the team (as May appears ready to do) or are their alternative options?

I backed into this question as a way of reminding everyone that European players…on average….lack NBA defensive skills. We’re talking one-on-one defensive skills. However, they have compensated for this shortcoming by developing OUTSTANDING “team” defensive systems….good enough to repeatedly beat NBA players in the Olympics!

Thus what we lack most, given the players we now have, is the coaching EXPERTISE sufficient to develop a great team defensive system. Out myoptic management appears oblivious to recognizing the value of well qualified coaches.

We have coaching vacancies and thus far have only mentioned “retreads” for possible hire. Management apparently understands that there is no need to hire two (mediocre) coaches because one such coach can be as ineffective as two such coaches.

Until management places a higher emphasis on securing the best possible coaches this organization will continue to flounder regardless of the quality of players we add to our roster.

by moskqq on Jul 9, 2007 2:15 PM EDT reply actions  

mcpu40 said
It’s the Celtic tradition that I’m addicted to and will always have at the core of my being. I cannot turn on this team, ever.
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40, my rant was boring but factual. There is literally nothing in your latest post that isn’t delusional. Under this coach, this team, previously solid defensively, is nonexistent defensively. As for entry 3, it is nearly impossible for Rondo and whoever the 2-guard is to consistently box out 7-footers because under Doc’s defense they usually find themselves under the basket when the shot goes up while Perk and Jeff are stumbling chasing perimeter shooters. Hitting shots isn’t the problem. Most role players on this team can do that.

We could debate the “mentor” part. But what has Doc taught the kids? Gerald made bonehead plays and couldn’t defend year one….Gerald made the same bonehead plays and couldn’t defend year two. Perk didn’t improve defensively and Big Al didn’t improve markedly until Coach Ray came on board. The only players good defensively came on board that way. But they can’t be good defensively in a full-time blitzing defense….nobody can. We just traded the most complete role player we had for someone who won’t be ready for training camp.

Did you believe that sitting out healthy players to cheat for lottery position is in the Celtic tradition?

I’ve been a fan for 40 years. There is nothing resembling any Celtic tradition.

Wow.

by iowa plowboy on Jul 9, 2007 2:15 PM EDT reply actions  

Amen iowa plowboy. Hall of Fame post!

by scndtony on Jul 9, 2007 2:23 PM EDT reply actions  

IOWA:

I totally respect you’re opinion.
I’ve been watching since 1981…
…not quite the 40 years you’ve got into this team.

But, it isn’t worth arguing over.
I’ll never convice you…you’ll never convince me.
To answer your question, NO.
I do not believe that sitting out healthy players to cheat for lottery position is in the Celtic tradition…that is the sad state of the NBA.
The Celtics are not the only team doing that.
You know it, and I know it…

To have a hope for a future, sometimes that is necessary.
Whether or not they actually ‘tanked’ will never be ‘proven’.
Doc won’t admit it, Danny won’t…but we all ‘know’ what happened.

It resulted in the #5 pick (RAY ALLEN).
I’m not alone in being excited to watch RAY ALLEN in Celtic Green.

I do not agree with you that Perk didn’t improve.
He had many solid games last season.

The team is young.
And I watch them on the edge of my seat happy with an eye towards the future and hope…

How do you watch it?

They do make some bone-headed mistakes.
But I feel they’d make these mistakes under any coach.

I see improvements

by mcpu40 on Jul 9, 2007 2:45 PM EDT reply actions  

Frustrated and Castrated Celtic Fan…that’s the only way to describe me at the present time…..

Doc isn’t the answer right now for this team…He served his purpose as far as nurturing the young ones to grow up….but it’s now time to have someone “COACH” this team in learning the fundamentals of the game… how to move with out the ball… how to box up properly… how to switch off …. How to think offense when playing defense and defense when playing offense….trying to teach this team in being two steps ahead…..god if only they could follow one step for one step…. I know I’m getting ahead of myself… but the reality is that we don’t have the correct players or coach on this team….

As much as I want to agree with you mcpu40, as I am a Kool-Aid drinker myself when it comes to this team…the realist must step in as well…

It will take more than KG to help this team win…..This team lacks a “TRUE LEADER”, someone to put his heart and soul on the court game in and game out…please don’t put Paul Pierce in this category….Tim Duncan is the true professional when it comes to playing the game and acting upon it….

Our group of kids is well, just that kids, who have not tasted what it takes to win, how to out think your opponent, and beat him when he is down. I’ve coached and preached to many kids that you need to raise the level of your game where you know that you can’t reach at times….they need to give every ounce of their body and leave it on the court….

But there also comes a time where coaching has to take place…and I don’t mean babysitting …..These kids have to go through repetition practice after practice about what to do in certain situations, how to defend…. You can teach defense….if one is willing to learn and execute…. I’ve had players who for all intents and purposes not defend because they lacked the foot speed or just didn’t have it in them… there are other ways around playing team defense and one on one defense….

I love this team as much as everyone in here…but at the same time….the frustration lies within the young kids and how they react to what is being taught to them… if they tune Doc out…then forget it; we’ll be in the lottery again…

As much as I was against the Allen trade… I realize that he might just bring something to the table and I’m hoping Gerald, Rondo, or Tony can learn something….

by Ancient Red on Jul 9, 2007 2:52 PM EDT reply actions  

Will the scowlers be happy with a .500 season next year and a 2nd round playoff appearance?

Would the ‘anti-tankers-this-team-cheated’ scowlers be complaining had they ‘won’ the 1st pick in the draft?

I doubt it on both counts.

This team is on the rise, yet people continue to complain.

I just don’t get the sad, upset posts on this board.
For heaven’s sake people, it’s July!

The team is on in 8 minutes.
Oden kind of got schooled by Powe the other night.

They’re a fun group to watch.

Yet 80-90% of posts here complain.

by mcpu40 on Jul 9, 2007 2:52 PM EDT reply actions  

As far as what a successful season is…from the mouth of Tiger Woods (I don’t think anyone can dispute that he is a great champion)…putting yourself in a position to take it all. From there, no one can make any guarantees.

by thirstyboots18 on Jul 9, 2007 3:22 PM EDT reply actions  

Iowa Plowboy,

You just saved me about 10 minutes of typing by articulating my sentiments exactly. Thank you!

mcpu40,

It’s all a matter of perspective. What you see as scowling or whining, I see as rational assessment and a realistic outlook.

TrueGreen,

While I agree with a lot of what you’re saying, I don’t think the “Gerald Green being that player” part as feasible. Even if he began to show signs of “getting it” this year and becoming a smart player, where would he find the PT. This is a team with a 2 (Allen) and a 3 (Pierce) who will need/demand about 40 minutes a game each (if healthy). So where does GG get the minutes to make an impact? At the 4? The only way I see him playing a lot is if one of the Max Contract Twins (PP and RA) goes down with an injury.

by Cousin It on Jul 9, 2007 3:45 PM EDT reply actions  

The 2007/2008 Celtics have the potential to be the 2006/2007 Golden State team.

Yeah, yeah…I know…we don’t have Don as a coach…we have dumb old Doc…I’ll save all those Doc Haters a post.

But they can surprise everyone.

by mcpu40 on Jul 9, 2007 3:51 PM EDT reply actions  

danny really needed durant or oden and he didn’t get them. somewhere along the line you need to be lucky. danny has made some nice second round picks and got lucky with jefferson but other than that he hasn’t been lucky.Most of his trades have been for overpaid, injured players who haven’t panned out. ray Allen will be the next bust. I would have much rather seen them toss a bunch of money at chauncey billups that trade your future for ray allen. I am really disheartened as a celtic fan right now. at least with the young guys and the high picks ( 7 last year, 5 this year) there was some hope but danny managed to turn all of that into crap. don’t be fooled by the fools gold. yeah we’ll look better next year with ray allen and maybe we win 10 more games but we still don’t play a lick of defense and we still aren’t big enough. is rajon rondo really ready to run this team? everyone is excited because we found an undrafted guy who can play defense. what does that tell you? we could have had corey brewer for crying out loud. I am disgusted with AInge’s most recent moves. IN 2 years we will be back to ground zero trying toi build a team around al jefferson

by Red2 on Jul 9, 2007 4:26 PM EDT reply actions  

Red2,

Yes, every GM needs a bolt of luck now and again, but he has to be smart, too. GMs need to make good (if unspectacular) trades and signings that all add up to a coherent whole. Judging by your post, I think you’d agree that Ainge was hoping too much for the luck to strike and hasn’t made enough smart decisions.

by Cousin It on Jul 9, 2007 4:58 PM EDT reply actions  

Little D said:
  TrueGreen,
I think Rondo is more ready to be a key player over GG by 2 years.
This is where we will have to agree to disagree. To me, giving up the #5 and Delonte for Ray Allen is a move that says we’re going for it now, other wise, why wouldn’t you continue to develop and gather the chips? I don’t mind the trade so much but to me, you can’t go half way up the ladder, you either stay on the bottom rung or go to the top.

? If we had KG or Al and Camby playing along with Ray and PP, you don’t think we could contend?

I agree with you that Rondo is ahead, way ahead, of GG. Deep down I don’t think GG will make it, but I’m pulling for him. As to the trade I love DWest, but I don’t see him getting much better. His value should have been his outside shooting and he just doesn’t seem to be able to make the shot. Moving DWest gives us a chance to start over with another promising young player. As to Ray Allen vs the #5 pick, Ray Allen is a much better player today. Jeff Green would be another guy we’d have to teach and wait for. I don’t think we’ve lost any future in doing this deal. In fact, it might help because we need to have better players on the floor with guys like GG in order for them to get better. I don’t think the Ray Allen deal is one that says we’re going for it all now, but I think it’s step forward and we need to take that step. As to Al, there’s no way I want him gone. I’m not a KG fan and trading Al for KG would be giving up the future. As to Camby, he just doesn’t seem to have the heart even if he did have a great year last year. Bottom line to me is we have a better team now than before the draft, we haven’t mortgaged our future, we have some good young players and we still have room to make more moves to improve the team.

by TrueGreen on Jul 9, 2007 5:01 PM EDT reply actions  

At some point in time one must recognize that basketball is ultimately a TEAM sport. The team should be better than the component parts but only if they function as a well-oiled machine. TrueGreen, it’s not just the players, we need someone to steer the ship and unless we upgrade our coaching, we’re all going to spend another disappointing year watching junior-high school basketball.

by moskqq on Jul 9, 2007 5:39 PM EDT reply actions  

We haven’t mortgaged our future but we’ve given away Yi and last years #7 Roy or Rudy Gay, (I preferred Gay), wouldn’t you like to have those chips now?

by Little D on Jul 9, 2007 7:26 PM EDT reply actions  

In fact, it might help because we need to have better players on the floor with guys like GG in order for them to get better.

This is an important point that’s lost. I think the Bulls, for example, might have suffered from this for a few years.

Great post overall, TG.

by Surferdad on Jul 9, 2007 7:27 PM EDT reply actions  

Go ahead, trade Big Al and others for KG, make the 2-3 yr run, then lets wait another 20 years to try to compete again.

I would never have done what Danny has done the past 2 drafts but because we as fans have no control over that, to me it is obvious a win now with Allen/Pierce plus possibly the best player in the game with KG. We are a 44 W team right now. Get Gasol and we still possibly don’t make the finals. Go after the one and only KG.

Go ahead, get me a banner maybe two then let’s rebuild from the ashes.

by docextension on Jul 9, 2007 10:13 PM EDT reply actions  

Congrats, Danny, for taking five years to get right back to where you started. I believe the C’s are a playoff team; but with a cap of maybe winning one round. That means no lottery picks(except for Minnesota’s in 2010) and no cap space until Pierce and Allen are gone. Looks like you’ve built the exact same team that you blew up when you got the job – one good enough to win a round or two in the playoffs, but nothing else. You should have had the guts to stay with the rebuilding program you started. Now we will be mired in mediocrity for another 10 years. I always defended you to others who criticized; but now I feel betrayed. If Al is smart, he’ll bolt as soon as he can.

by TimBird on Jul 10, 2007 6:49 AM EDT reply actions  

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