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A Chill Pill for the Kingmakers and Naysayers Alike

Very nice, balanced article by Mike Martin at Full Court Press:

After two years of wandering in the NBA desert, the Ray Allen and Kevin Garnett trades were the basketball version of a tropical oasis for the Celtics. I would have expected the thirsty fans to pause for refreshment, maybe a change of clothes (a #5 jersey, perhaps) before doing anything else. Instead everyone from fans to bloggers to sportswriters seemed to jump right into the Budweiser Hot Seat, anxious to give their snap assessment of the team's ceiling and thus the value of the bold moves by Danny Ainge and Celtics ownership.

Now that would be all well and good in the natural order of things, except that it's August. No games to play. No defense to solidify. No chemistry to develop. From where I've been sitting, it's all seemed a little premature. The funny thing was, even when someone like the usually estimable Bob Ryan tried to point this out, he went way too far in the other direction, demanding Hall of Famers and All-Stars in complementary roles before he would give this team his blessing.

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They need an NBA head coach before they get mine.

by iowa plowboy on Aug 28, 2007 5:30 PM EDT reply actions  

it would be nice if some here would curtail the speculation & projections on ppg & mpg…

nobody will step on the floor or put on a uniform for at least another month …
yet we have rondo getting 36mpg and the starting 5 going for 82ppg…

by lefty12 on Aug 28, 2007 5:43 PM EDT reply actions  

It’s always easy to be a pessimist, masquerading as a ‘realist’. The financial and sports worlds are filled with these guys, all spouting off gloom and doom. After all, if things go well (the market goes up, or the local team wins big) nobody bothers to remember their dire predictions. But if things go south, there they are, pounding their chests with their I-told-you-so’s. It’s tiresome.

by no kidding on Aug 28, 2007 5:55 PM EDT reply actions  

Mr. Martin’s been reading the blogs.

by The Real Large James on Aug 28, 2007 6:15 PM EDT reply actions  

How much chemistry did the Cleveland Caviliers have? Their second best player in the playoffs was a rookie second round pick point guard. Look at the Cavs roster last year and compare to the current Celts.

We are maybe the 6th best team in the NBA, but guess what- the other top 5 all play in the West. What does that spell, NBA Eastern Final Champions- all things considered.

Deal with it naysayers.

I grant you we could have a catastophic injury, we can get in a funk like the Mavs did verse the Warriors, etc.

As we sit here in the last few days before Labor Day, we are the favorites to make the NBA finals next year. I’m not predicting #17 hanging from the raftors next year; but I am saying it is time to recognize that we are the one and only that should be representing the East in the finals with all due respect to the Cavs, Heat, Pistons, Bulls and Raptors.

by docextension on Aug 28, 2007 9:53 PM EDT reply actions  

I’m a little insulted by a blog post that preaches patience and perspective when, quite frankly, blogs are all about an immediate and often instinctive reaction to the news of the day. I mean, jeezo pete, weren’t blogs a reaction to the sluggish daily newspaper? There are posts made throughout the day, and then tons of comments to those posts, and then, suddenly, we’re supposed to show patience and perspective?
It’s like traffic. The government rigs the roads to create horrifically congested traffic and then doles out tickets when people speed, change lanes recklessly or do the California roll through a stop sign.
Damn skippy it’s August, and this is when we make ridiculous predictions. What else are we going to do? Certainly not read an NBA blog, in the dead of summer.
Don’t bite the hand that reads you, boy.
LOL.

by Big_Easy on Aug 28, 2007 11:11 PM EDT reply actions  

Let me get this straight, No Kidding: If I’m down on this trade, and state my reasons why, and then the Celtics don’t win a title with this group AND wind up with no quality draft picks to help replace these aging veterans, I DON’T have the right to say “I told you so” because it’s so easy to be pessimistic?
Seems like reverse logic to me.
By the way, some of those folks who “spout” happen to be a lot more informed in their opinions than most people in this room, including me.
That’s why I say lay off Peter May. He may be grumpy, but he’s been right more than he’s been wrong about the Ainge Era.

by Big_Easy on Aug 28, 2007 11:16 PM EDT reply actions  

Jeez, more of this ‘’stop being negative’’ stuff? Different people have different opinions. Sure, it gets a little tiresome when some Droopy Dog posters are critical of every single move, but rah-rah cheeriness can be just as annoying. It’s a matter of perspective, and thankfully, there are tons of different perspectives offered every day on this blog.

Besides, if you disagree with other posters’ cynicism, take comfort in the knowledge that you are right and he is wrong. ;)

by Cousin It on Aug 29, 2007 12:14 AM EDT reply actions  

Oops, meant to say ‘’they are wrong.’’

by Cousin It on Aug 29, 2007 12:16 AM EDT reply actions  

By the way, has anyone heard Ainge say, ’’We’re done. This is our team going into training camp?’’

I’m just curious. I know it might mean nothing, but I haven’t seen him make any pronouncements about how happy he is with the team AS IS. Makes me wonder if he isn’t working angles and exploring options for one more substantive signing (and subsequent waiving).

There have been so many big moves in the past couple months that I’m afraid I’ll have withdrawal symptoms if there isn’t at least another medium move made by the middle of September.

by Cousin It on Aug 29, 2007 12:21 AM EDT reply actions  

Big Easy, I made my comment hours ago (yesterday), and hadn’t checked back. So let me address your comment now.

I’ve nothing against anyone for simply expressing what others consider to be a negative opinion (about the Celtics or anything else). I myself was against trading for Ray Allen and Kevin Garnett, and said so repeatedly before the deals were made.

No, what I was writing about were the pessimistic types who seek to make a name for themselves merely by being contrarians. I don’t doubt, at times, they may be better informed then others. I simply doubt their motivation. Their positions are routinely taken with a view of separating themselves from the pack, regardless of which way the others are moving. They love I-told-you-so’s, and to rain on the parades of others. And yet one seldom seees them admitting to having been wrong about positions they took. It’s an easy gig, but a tiresome one.

by no kidding on Aug 29, 2007 7:34 AM EDT reply actions  

To me this a forum of ideas. Last year there was a vast majority thinking we were playoff bound and on our way to something like 45W. I posted this last year that there was just no way we were a winning franchise of 45W or playoff bound.

Now we can blame the injuries, the coach, etc, etc, but regardless, even if healthy we were probably going to win only 38 games or so. And remember going into the season last year Big Al did not become Big Al as we know him today.

I wasn’t a naysayer for the sake of being a naysayer last year, I was just telling it like it was going to be. Obviously the season went from fair at best to a joke with tanking, etc and 24W.

I now look at this team with KG/Pierce/Ray Allen/ Allen #2/ Posey/ Rondo/Perk. I also see how weak the East truly is and yet there are people on this board that say we haven’t won anything, it is only August. That kind of comment is just being negative for the sake of being negative. The fact is, this team is poised to pounch on the East this season. Maybe it is the years of this francish in the muck and mire that has jaded some.

I’m not fool enough to say this team couldn’t come up lame with injuries or this team couldn’t be somehow upset by an Orlando Magic or similar club. I do think though there are comments on this site where people are trying to be negative just for the sake of being negative.

The bench is a concern but people had the daggers out for Danny before he even had a chance to address it. As I said back when KG deal finally went down, give Danny some time. So now we have Posey and by most basketball minds a very good pick up, but for some it is now where is the back up pg. As the naysayers were saying, it is still August, give it some time.

I saw the Cavs with little but Lebron and a 2nd round rookie point that got hot in the playoffs represent the East. I saw the Pistons play no help defense on Lebron. I saw Rasheed Wallace hang out on the court and not in the huddle on timeouts because he is more of a jerk than a teammate. Then people posting, Celtics will have chemistry issue problems.

IMO, any intelligent basketball fan cannot legitamately say that the Boston Celtics are not a serious candidate to be in the NBA finals. Just because you might have hated trading Big Al, does not mean one should suspend all reality.

by docextension on Aug 29, 2007 10:13 AM EDT reply actions  

Well, some people learn from experience, and others don’t. I have no idea how good this team will be. It’s an almost entirely new roster.

After I’ve seen them play some games, I’ll form an opinion. Until then, I think calling them “serious candidates for the NBA finals” is a little premature, don’t you think?

There have been plenty of NBA teams that have had a bunch of “big name” players that fell flat on their faces. The 1976 Knicks had four HOF starters AND a HOF coach and only managed to win 38 games. Their chemistry sucked after the arrival of Spencer Haywood, and guys like Bradley and Frazier were getting older.

There are far too many other examples even to cite here.

by Brickowski on Aug 29, 2007 12:10 PM EDT reply actions  

Because we play in the east, dang right I call us serious candidates for the NBA finals. You can’t seriously think this team is so flawed compared the Cavs roster.

Don’t take my word for it, look at every serious NBA preseason prediction. Most have us either playing for or winning the Eastern division and this is pre- Posey. If I’m premature thinking we are NBA finalist contenders, then you know better than 85% of the NBA analists.

Didn’t Willis Reed, possibly the Knicks best player let alone its heart retire in 74’? Didn’t Dave DeBusschere one of the best rebounders during his time also retire in 74’? Wasn’t Dollar Bill Bradley at the end of his career? They added Spencer Hayward, but still he, Monroe, Frazier and an old Bradley doesn’t compare to KG/Pierce/Ray Allen. You bich about the Celts bench look what the Knicks had in 76’ Neil Walk, John Gianelli, Hawthorne Wingo, Larry Fogle, Ken Mayfield, Gene Short, please….

Maybe that Knick team was capable of 44 wins but no way were they NBA contenders like we are.

by docextension on Aug 29, 2007 11:19 PM EDT reply actions  

what a pointles article

by Fire Doc Rivers on Aug 29, 2007 11:34 PM EDT reply actions  

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