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Tom Ziller has an entertaining look at the Atlantic Division over on Ballhype.com.  Here's his arguement back and forth with himself about the Celtics.  Enjoy:

Ziller #1: Teams don't get to the Finals with terrible point guards, and Rajon Rondo might be below average for a back-up point guard. Boston made a huge mistake by not going after Brevin Knight. But hey, maybe Doc Rivers can run out there for a few minutes a night. Couldn't hurt the team worse than he will from the sidelines.

Ziller #2: Two words -- Cleveland Cavaliers. Rondo can't be worse then Eric Snow. (Doc Rivers can't be worse than Eric Snow. Red Auerbach's corpse can't be worse than Eric Snow.) Boston will be fine -- Rondo has two hands and two legs, he has three all-pros around him. Derek Fisher helped win the Lakers three titles. Rondo's weakness is shooting, and he won't need to shoot at all with Pierce, Allen and Garnett. Plus, Tony Allen played great last year when he was alive. He looks alive right now, and he might start at point in November. Boston's a lock for the top half of the playoffs, and a favorite for the Finals.

Ziller #1: Yeah, Boston's a favorite over Cleveland, Detroit, Miami and Chicago... and Mike Sweetney celebrates Ramadan. In case you haven't noticed, most of the rest of the East got better over the summer. Even Cleveland -- having LeBron a year closer to his prime after he's made the NBA Finals... does that spell regression to you? Boston got better, certainly. But the 6th seed isn't worth the luxury tax for the next 17 years.

Ziller #2: Cleveland had a cakewalk through the playoffs until the ECF. There's no way that team is better than Boston, especially until they settle their point guard issue.

Ziller #1: Point guard issue?

Ziller #2: Shut up.

Ziller #1: Seriously, how is this team different from the Hakeem-Barkley-Drexler Rockets?

Ziller #2: Boston's Three are still in their primes, while Houston's were as close to 'dead men walking' as you get. And that Houston team still got to the conference finals in a stacked West.

Ziller #1: But Houston had a superior supporting cast (Mario Elie, Kevin Willis) and a coach 10 times better than Doc. Take away Elie and Rudy Tomjanovich and that team doesn't get past Seattle.

Ziller #2: Even Doc can't screw this up. The Wizards were on top of the East for a while last year, and Boston's trio is a very solid degree better than Washington's. And Washington doesn't exactly have a bunch of stars on the bench. (Apologies, Spencer Haywood.)

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Spencer Haywood certainly is owed that apology and possibly another one. The Wizards would be lucky to have Spencer Haywood’s 29 points and 13 rebounds a game … in 1973-1974.

Brendan Haywood, maybe?

by Luke Middleton on Sep 21, 2007 7:10 AM EDT reply actions  

Time will tell how it all shakes out but it’s a heck of lot better than jockeying for lottery position.

by celty86 on Sep 21, 2007 8:22 AM EDT reply actions  

How glad will I be when the season starts and we can watch games played on the court instead of imagining them in our heads? Rondo, in my mind, is going to be fantastic.

by GreenBalls on Sep 21, 2007 8:44 AM EDT reply actions  

What’s with people all over Rondo…. he is still very young…

He can’t shoot!!!! okay then two words

Dennis Johnson……….

by Ancient Red on Sep 21, 2007 9:08 AM EDT reply actions  

Funny column, but 49 wins for the Celtics? If they win only 49 games I’d be disappointed. They should be in the 50’s if they don’t lose anybody significant for an extended period.

by Real World on Sep 21, 2007 9:28 AM EDT reply actions  

Does anyone remember the mid 90’s when the Rockets won the NBA title with a rookie point guard in Sam Cassell? The only problem is he wasn’t the starting point guard that year, however he did get alot of time.Kenny Smith started the games and was a good complement to Cassell.That’s who we need, someone to complement Rondo. The Rockets weren’t the best at PG when they won it all, but at least they had a little more experience

by WBrownTrophy on Sep 21, 2007 9:50 AM EDT reply actions  

People can take their pot shots the Celts. I’m very confident once the season starts.

by docextension on Sep 21, 2007 3:15 PM EDT reply actions  

Spencer Haywood certainly is owed that apology and possibly another one. The Wizards would be lucky to have Spencer Haywood’s 29 points and 13 rebounds a game … in 1973-1974.

Brendan Haywood, maybe?

Yeah that irked me too.

I thought on a whole it was pretty bad to be honest. Just taking shots at all the teams and saying little of value. One liners.

by Who on Sep 21, 2007 4:03 PM EDT reply actions  

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