10 Subjects I’m Tired Of Writing About
This has been the most exciting, entertaining, and perhaps even important offseasons I can remember in my lifetime as a Celtics diehard. That has not, however, prevented the doldrums of the offseason from deflating my balloon of giddy anticipation. Training camp is still 24 days away and there are far too many subjects that have been beaten to death with no sign of resolution until the games begin. Here are 10 subjects that I’m tired of writing about (and will do everything I can to not write about until October 1).
10. Backup Point Guard: Judging by the poll, more than 50% of you think I’m making too much of this. So here’s my last word. I think we can get by with what we have, the talent is too great to be held back by this one thing. Still, it boggles my mind that Ainge would not take that one last step and pick up someone (anyone) and at the very least have them available on the bench if they are needed. Is Troy Hudson going to put us over the top? No. Could he step in and help if Rondo got hurt. I think so. I still hope someone gets cut and we pick them up sometime in October.
9. Doc Rivers: Can he finally win now that he has real talent? Does he deserve to be the coach after his record the last few years? Is he just keeping the seat warm for Thibbodeau? Who cares? Finally the excuses are all gone. If he wins; great. If he doesn’t; he’s gone. Simple. If we are looking for a coach next offseason, coaches will line up around the block to coach this group.
8. Can we really rely on Scalabrine to be a rotation guy? Why not? It isn’t like we’re asking him to do a lot. He’s not going to need to be a scorer. He needs to defend, hustle, and provide the proverbial "intangibles" that role players provide on good teams. And if he doesn’t, all he costs us is a roster spot and $3M. I’ve never, ever understood the uproar over his contract. What free agent have we missed out on because we had Brian Scalabrine’s salary on the books? I rest my case.
7. Will Tony Allen be 100% by tipoff? No. There, now that we’ve cleared that up, what’s the more reasonable question? How about "when can we expect to see Tony Allen at his best again?" Nobody knows, but we all have to come to grip with the fact that the answer might be "never." We might have already seen the apex of Tony Allen’s career. When I saw him crumple on the floor, the first thought in my head was "that’s it, he’s done." Since then I’ve let myself become much more optimistic, but as of right now, anything we get from him is gravy. And anything we get from him before Christmas is a miracle.
6. Brandon Wallace vs. Jackie Manuel: Ok, it was fun watching Wallace in Summer League. It will be mildly entertaining to watch each of them in training camp. Still, we are talking about the last one or two spots on the team here. Unlike in prior years, guys like that aren’t going to see any time this year. Maybe, just maybe, if they stick around and practice hard and outlast the veterans, we’ll see one of them get some time next year. But this is a contending team. When was the last time an undrafted rookie played for a title contender his first year in the league? Hey, I’m all for it if they prove me wrong and turn into contributing players. Just don’t hold your breath.
5. Reggie Miller, Allan Houston, Dikembe Mutombo: None of them will be Celtics. Probably ever. They were great players in their time and it is nice to be a destination free agents want to land with, but enough already. Is anyone still upset that we "settled" for James Posey instead of Miller? Do we really need another shooter like Houston? I like Mutombo, but something tells me Pollard will be a serviceable backup to Perkins.
4. The Ref Scandal: Yes, this is a big deal. Yes, it should be addressed for the good of the game. Sure, I’m in favor of more transparency in terms of how things are run with the refs. Still, I can only dwell on this subject for so long before I get bored and annoyed. This is the kind of topic that stopped me from listening to Mike & Mike in the morning. Media guys like that love to get up on their high horse and condemn, condemn, condemn. Blah. Enough already. I’ve always believed that the refs are doing their job the best when they are completely forgotten about. Please just do your job and let me forget about you again.
3. Al Jefferson: I will miss him and I am the one that has posted not one, but two posts lamenting the loss of my favorite young player (ever?). With that said, he’s gone. He’s in Minnesota now. He’s Mark Blount’s teammate (for now). He’s yesterday’s news. Of course, the counter argument to that is that he’ll be tomorrow’s news once KG is old and creeky. So what? For the next 3 years (barring injury) Kevin Garnett will be the better all-round player. Book it. I will not lament this trade ever. Even if it doesn’t work out, you have to take that shot. You don’t put the kibosh on a trade because of something that might happen 4, 5, 6 years down the line. A lot can happen between now and 4 years from now. A Championship could happen in Boston during that time. That chance alone is worth the trade.
2. Injury concerns: Ok, so more than half of the team missed more than a handful of games last year. So our big 3 is on the wrong side of the big 3-0. So what? Veterans miss time. It happens. Teams deal with injuries. They happen. If someone goes down for a while, we’ll have to make do until they get back. If we lose one of the star players for a long time, we’re hosed. That goes for every single team in the NBA. That’s life.
1. Rondo Can’t Shoot: Stop the presses! Is this new news or something? Did it stop him from having a solid rookie season? Did he somehow lose his speed, quickness, vision, and defense in the offseason? So what if his teammates are better now? Doesn’t that mean his job will be easier? If you have Pierce and Allen on the wing and KG in the middle, do you really need Rondo shooting from the top of the arch? Do you even want that? Maybe Jim O’Brien would have no use for this kid, but this team will use him just fine.
Well, I feel better getting all that off my chest. Now I’ll try my best to avoid these subjects for the rest of the month. Let’s see how long I can last – I’m putting the over/under at 2 weeks – Tim Donaghy will take your bets now. All bets are off if we sign a point guard or someone drops a piano on their foot.
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Now you won’t have anything left to write about. What’s left is even more banal: Powe vs Davis; Paul Pierce Party Animal; What nickname for KG, PP and RA; Whose hanging out at HealthTrax…
I can’t wait for training camp.
by ReggieR on Sep 7, 2007 6:30 AM EDT reply actions
Agreed, all of those stories have been beaten to death, or are rinsed in pure speculation, except the Doneghy affair.
The real issue, league manipulation by over control of the refs, as it affects the outcomes of games and who this information gets to, was mentioned in only one article that I know of; by former ref Bernie Fryer.
I believe this is the crux of the whole issue and Stern is scared to death of this; hence his sharply critical, hypocritical attack on Hue Hollins and Dick Bavetta.
This is one that wont and should not go away.
There is too much at stake.
One issue I’m interested in, but know will not go anyplace is NBA officiating. I’m not interested in the scandal stuff, but in the overall quality of officiating. I’m not interested in bad calls or non calls. Mistakes happen. What concerns me is the inconsistency of making calls in a single game and over the course of the season. Is hand checking a guard a foul or not. I’m also concerned where some officials have their own agendas and are quick to call techs if a call is questioned. There are others, but to me Dick Bavetta is one of the best when it comes to using common sense. I don’t think David Stern has addressed the issue of improving officiating. I know it’s a tough job, but a hand check in the open court is not hard to see and it’s either a foul or it isn’t.
Agree 100% with JB. The officiating situation isn’t a scandal, it’s a crisis. The quality of the officiating is shameful and has gotten worse. If Stern thinks he can fix the problem with a few token changes he’s sorely mistaken.
Stu Jackson has to go. Maybe Nunn too. It’s as simple as that. Stern needs to replace these people with someone who understands officials and officiating. No more cronyism, no more favoritiesm towards the league’s “pet” players. Maybe Stern ought to stop fining people for criticizing the officials and spend a few months just listening.
And once again, the league must install a meaningful instant replay system. It’s not enough to use film to review fights and last minute shots. There needs to be a means of reversing obviously wrong calls and non-calls.
‘Maybe Jim O’Brien would have no use for this kid, but this team will use him just fine.’
Haha. That was great! I wish the media would look back at all the pretenders the C’s have had running the point this DECADE. Delk/SWilliams/JRBremmer/Banks/Greene. You’re telling me Rondo isn’t a massive upgrade in ability & talent?
There are maybe 4 All Star caliber point guards in this League. Kidd, Nash, DWilliams, CPaul. If Rondo comes up with any kind of reliable shot this year, he moves up into the company of guys like TJ Ford & KHinrich. That’s pretty good. And do you have any doubt that if Rondo plays 35-40 mpg he’ll average 8-10 assists per game with guys like Pierce, Garnett & Allen catching the ball?
Top Ten Things To Write About:
10. Q&A’s w/ local beat writers
9. The age gap on the team (on & off court dynamics)
8. How the new team is affecting ticket sales here and elsewhere
7. The Shamrock Foundation and what it’s doing in Boston
6. Highlights of the upcoming schedule and the fact that the winter may fly by for all us this year.
5. Where are they now – track down a few obscure Celts from the past and check in on them.
4. Ode to the Bruins – let’s face it, the Garden is going to be like night and day when it comes to Celts games & Bruin games
3. Bill Simmons – totally overated or just a little overated?
2. How long before the strength of the leauge switches back to the east?
1. Will the Celts ever own this town in the manner they did in the mid 80’s given the strength of the Pats and Sox?
by SShoreFan on Sep 7, 2007 8:07 AM EDT reply actions
or………..
just let Master Po interview all the old greats!!
by SShoreFan on Sep 7, 2007 8:09 AM EDT reply actions
I think it’s funny and ironic to write an article about things that you are tired of writing about. :)
by speedster on Sep 7, 2007 8:15 AM EDT reply actions
I am a one trick PO-ny SSorefan ;)
Writing every day is tough (like I would know) – especially now, It is something like Jeff being on the old Rocky and Bullwinkle cartoon show when Bullwinkle says “Watch me pull a rabbit outta my hat” – although I always thought of Jeff as more of a flying squirrel ;D Perhaps he rebounds like a lazy moose
Just think in about 60 days you can write about the start of the season – until then just enjoy being uncomfortably numb.
Well Jeff, if you want to write something that will help the team, you should find out the team’s itinerary for its pre-season European trip, and then publish a list of restaurants in each location that are off-limits. The last thing we need is to have the players fatten up on the pasta and start the season overweight.
Let the games begin
Red Sox are beginning to bore me, and the Pats are bursting my bubble before they begin.
This Celtics team is raw before they even have begun the season. The “UNKNOWN” with this team already has me thinking of Rondo running up and down the court on a fast break, Paul slashing to the basket, Garnett drawing down two defenders and then passing it out to Allen for the wide open shot…. Powe coming off the bench to spark the team…. Perkins manning the middle of the defense not allowing anyone to come down the lane….
There are so many positives with this team at the moment and it’s easy to do as we did with the Patriots and now I’m looking at them as boy, Harrison is out for 4 games, Seymor might not play, Moss is already driving us crazy…. so what’s next?
We really can sit here and complain about the Celtics when they haven’t even started to practice…..
All we can do is speculate and pass our time until they do….so talk about anything and everything I guess…
Would I like West on this team? Jefferson on this team? Green on this team? or do I want Garnett and Allen on this team?
The internet has not only helped our kids in learning….But it has destroyed their athletic skills…. No more do you see kids in play grounds … or kids playing pick up games on the courts…. Everything is too freak’n organized because parents don’t have time….. and kids are wasting there times around Play Stations and XBOX’s…. Talk about subjects like that if you want
Talk about how kids don’t learn the fundamentals of the games anymore…why kids don’t understand the game …….but they can run fast and jump higher…..
Sorry I went off on another tangent to what we are talking about but if we want to talk about things….talk about why Gerald Green has all the athletic ability….but no bleep’n common sense on the court…..
I’ll never understand how JB manages to fit headphones around the giant tinfoil hat he wears :P
by bullsblogger on Sep 7, 2007 9:26 AM EDT reply actions
I’m with Jeff on point 1. Rondo was very effective last year, and he couldn’t shoot a lick. He only made six threes all season and I think a couple were heaves from around half court. But check out his /- stats at 82games.com: he had the best numbers on the C’s last year BY FAR, and the C’s were actually better than their opponent when he was on the floor (as opposed to being terrible when he was off, when his replacement was usually a not-too-shabby Delonte West). I have full faith he can do it again…
I pretty much concur with the 1 through 10. I have the same feeling as when the Olympic Games began in Atlanta and Muhammad Ali carried the torch and stated, let the games begin.
I am glad that none of our players are involved in the US World/Olympic games. I think it will only help as others, Lebron, D Howard, etc spend all this time practicing and playing international games.
I really got into the Olympic basketball games when it was U.S. verse Russia way back when. It really doesn’t affect me like banner #17 would if the U.S. team wins every game by 30 or ends up with the bronze.
by docextension on Sep 7, 2007 11:10 AM EDT reply actions
For me at least, the existing Celtics team is not nearly as interesting as the one Ainge traded away. It may be more skilled and experienced, but I feel about the same affininty for this group of players as I do for the Miami Heat, a team that the Celtics are beginning more and more to resemble (except that the Heat have a real NBA coach).
It’s likely that I will spend as much time (and money) following the Wolves, Sonics and Raptors next year via NBA league pass as I will following the Celtics.
So Jeff, as far as I’m concerned you can write about whatever you like.
Jeff, while I realize that your “10” forbidden topics were not in any particular order they do represent a sizeable subtraction.
Perhaps you could also list 10 topics repeatedly forced on this board by dissatisfied bloggers with a horn to toot. Should you ever make such a list, let #1 be the omission of places Brick will escape to this year because the Celtics are no longer his FAVORITE team.
This doesn’t seem like an unreasonable request because a handful of my inputs have been posted and later erased; none contained libelous subjects or lewd remarks. All were of a critical nature and the HEAT IN THE KITCHEN must have been beyond tolerance or misunderstood.
by moskqq on Sep 7, 2007 12:45 PM EDT reply actions
“something tells me Pollard will be a serviceable backup to Perkins” Please note that Perk is my second favorite Celt(behind Rondo). But something about this sentence just sounds wrong.
by Cullain on Sep 7, 2007 1:25 PM EDT reply actions
You know I find watching the World Series of Poker, the Miami Dolphins, Fishing and Hunting Shows, Law and Order, my kids sporting events, and many other things very interesting. I think I am going to spend a lot of time watching those things and I’ll make sure and share all of that with everyone here on this board so that you can know other things that interest me. Oh wait…This is a Celtics Blog! Maybe I ought to restrict my other interests to other sites and only discuss the C’s here since that is all anyone on here cares to hear from me…
I’m late to the game, but I agree 100% with JB, TrueGreen and Brick about the overall quality of officiating. Stern needs to feel pressure to finally do something about a problem that is doing serious harm to pro hoops. I hope both blogs and mainstream media keep pushing this issue.
SShoreFan,
That is GREAT list. In fact, when I read #3, I instantly had a gut reaction. I understand where you’re coming from, but I also have to admit that I’ve missed Simmons’ articles while he’s been taking the summer off. For my money, he’s the most enjoyable read on ESPN, even though his writing can be a bit schticky.
From Point 6: “When was the last time an undrafted rookie played for a title contender his first year in the league?”
What about undrafted Matt Maloney starting at point for the WC Finalist 1997 Rockets?
Heck, Kelenna Azubuike started 9 games for the Warriors just last year, and got a decent amount of PT in the regular season. Granted, he was end-of-the-bench for the playoffs and the Warriors were a fluke team, but they’re a fluke team that could have made the WCF if they hadn’t wilted against the Jazz.
I found those in about 5 minutes of searching. I’d bet it’s more common than you’d think for a guy to come out of nowhere on a contender, at least as a role player.
by rjb182 on Sep 7, 2007 3:17 PM EDT reply actions
Ray Allen has as very similar Paul Pierce step back and shoot move.
by The Real Large James on Sep 7, 2007 3:35 PM EDT reply actions
Concerning the poker debate, if Mimi Rogers is playing, I’m watching. I’d love to poker. ;O
by The Real Large James on Sep 7, 2007 3:37 PM EDT reply actions
Brickowski said:
For me at least, the existing Celtics team is not nearly as interesting as the one Ainge traded away. It may be more skilled and experienced, but I feel about the same affininty for this group of players as I do for the Miami Heat, a team that the Celtics are beginning more and more to resemble (except that the Heat have a real NBA coach).
Brick, except for the Doc part did you really write this or is there an imposter amongst us. Maybe my memory is real bad, but weren’t you always criticizing (constructively) the “former” team? Now that the team has been improved you seem to want to go back in time. In a way, I actually agree with you. I enjoyed seeing the “formers” play and improve (or not). I didn’t like the record, but I loved the individuals. I don’t know if you wrote anything in the Big Al thread about missing him, but would be curious to know what you said if you did. (am too lazy to go back there). I think we’ll come to love these guys too once we get to see them play. The new guys are all good guys and we still have some young uns to root for.
I am abit burned out on Celtics news after the whole KG trade ..
by havlicekstoletheball on Sep 7, 2007 6:14 PM EDT reply actions
TrueGreen, I think trading away Big Al was a huge mistake, even for Garnett. One thought that crosses my mind is that the venture capital investors are trying to maximize the short-term value of the team in order to get some rube to buy it and cut their losses. Trading away the 22 year-old Jefferson seems inconsistent with the current owners’ statements that the are in it for the long haul.
As for the former roster, I didn’t say it was immune to criticism. I said it was more interesting. I was enjoying watching players like Jefferson and West develop, and I thought those two could have become the key elements on a championship team— but not for another 2-3 years.
I’m not sure why folks like moskqq feel compelled to attack me personally because I don’t spout the party line. Moskqq, do you work for the Celtics’ marketing or PR department, or perhaps for Bain Capital? If you are right and this team is ready to win 55-60 games and rip through the playoffs, with Doc Rivers winning his second coach of the year, just think how much fun you’ll have saying “I told you so” and gloating about how much smarter you are than I.
As for the backup point guard situation, Ainge obviously hasn’t seen anyone worthwhile to acquire and based on the names thrown around he’s probably right. I’d argue that rather than do something now (as you say anything at all), it makes a lot more sense to wait and see what he has or doesn’t have for that role and whether someone he values becomes available if needed.
I think Danny’s perspective and analysis of ball handling responsibilities is not wildly wishful thinking, though maybe he’s a little optimistic. But more importantly, Ainge doesn’t have to show his hand or lock himself in, and can be patient. A significant injury to Rondo would change things, and if it turns out they have been too optimistic they can respond.
He’ll certainly watch to see if someone they like becomes available during training camp or the first months of the season and do something if needed. They should be fine. I don’t think Ainge will jeopardize the team’s chances if a need for a backup point guard becomes apparent. Have some faith that they know what they’re doing. He deserves it.
As for Tony Allen, they seem to be operating as if they won’t have him for a while. Again as we say about so many things, there are no guarantees, but barring unforeseen setbacks or re-injury, the chances are very slim that we’ve seen the best of him, given the state of medical/rehab science today and his age. But getting him back to 100% this season is equally unlikely. A more likely scenario is that he recovers enough to contribute and continue his NBA development at some point in the second half (or last two months) of the season and playoffs and returns to 100% or very, very close to it in 2008-2009. But I agree that it’s tiring to talk about.
I suspect Jim O’Brien would have loved Rondo (and may secretly love him now from afar). But that and all your other concerns I agree are a bit tired and deserve a bit of a rest until there are any new developments. The Red Sox and Pats hold the stage for the next few weeks, and then an European Celtics training camp and preseason will begin to give us an idea of how well/fast things are coming together. Now that’s a nice perk for the writers that will cover the team there.
by SteveZ from Edgemont on Sep 7, 2007 6:40 PM EDT reply actions
Brick, Before the trade I too was against trading Big Al for KG straight up. I think Al is probably one of the best, if not the best, low post offensive player in the game (I know it’s based on a short history) and I loved to watch him get better minute by minute. I always thought of KG as a big playing small and as not wanting to take the big shot. I also didn’t see him as a “tough” rebounder, one who gets under the basket and pushes people around. I thought Al was a “tough” rebounder. With all that said I didn’t see much of KG and since the trade I guess I’ve been educated. I now think that when the opportunity to make this deal came it had to be done. As to the owners being in it for the long haul, financially, who knows. I know the plan to build thru the draft and develop players changed. But plans aren’t and shouldn’t be written in stone. They need to change as the situation changes. As much as I hate to loose Al I think the C’s definitely did the right thing at the right time. At this time of the year I’m usually real itchy to get going, but I’m a bit ambivalent about this team today. I’m sure that will change big time when we get to see and know the new guys better. I think the quality of play will definitely improve and I think this is the first time we will really see Doc as a Coach (not teacher) and it would now be fair to judge him. For disclosure purposes I’m a Doc fan and thought the knocks on him (by anyone) were unfair (for want of a better word).
I think Rondo will do very well. He has good point guard instincts, has quickness, and his great defensively. However eventually he’s going to get posted up and in a tight game in the 4th quarter his shot (and free throw shooting) will be a liability. Saras or GP would be nice in those situations.
by greendoc on Sep 7, 2007 7:10 PM EDT reply actions
Something you can never get tired of writing or hearing about are the Celtic greats of the past. A nice article on Satch Sanders, a man who epitomizes what the C’s are about in this link:
http://www.nba.com/news/thomassanderslife_070907.html
Ehhh, who wants to go through 2-3 more years of development? Life’s too short. I like Big Al, Delonte, and Gomes…but I highly doubt they’ll be cornerstones of championship teams. Al will be very good for a number of years, but will he be “great” and able to carry a team on his back? I guess that remains to be seen, but my money’s on “no”.
JB, nice lid (if you’re still into the 70’s disco scene). Looks like skin cancer took out part of your nose, maybe should have put it on a little sooner.
Just kidding, way to break it up a little.
by docextension on Sep 7, 2007 8:37 PM EDT reply actions
… and with 6 mintues left in the game, Boston up by 16, Doc once again pulls his starters out as the Celtics are on their way to another laugher…
by docextension on Sep 7, 2007 8:40 PM EDT reply actions
Another point – of course Celtics ownership and investors want to maximize the short term value of the team. They’re business people, they want to make money. What makes Grousbeck & Co. different is they are fans of the team as well. They signed off on the Allen and Garnett deals because they thought it would make them more money AND allow the Cs to contend for a championship in the next 3-4 years. What’s wrong with that? This isn’t the Gaston regime.
This team’s long term future may not be totally present on the existent roster, but the prestige of the organization has returned and when it comes time to acquire additional players to take the mantel from the current vets I don’t think the team will have trouble doing so…
The Celtics were able to continue to re-invent themselves for decades before death and mismanagement derailed a 30 year dynasty…Now that the Celtics have a good reputation again it will be far easier to sign marquee free agents to the club…
…and the team still has Ainge drafting…even if the first round picks are later in the draft, Ainge is the best at finding value…couple that with the remaining crop of youth-Perk/Powe/Wallace/Allen/Rondo/Davis/Pruitt-and there’s still a number of intriguing prospects to watch: Rondo and Allen have all star potential and Wallace/Davis may be able to develop into very good players as well…Perk and Powe should at least become rotation caliber players and I think both could be starters on teams with star power at the wings and back court…things aren’t terrible in terms of the team’s future and everything should get better going forward…
bravo bill. Nice to see someone can comment without a discernable edge to their words.
by havlicekstoletheball on Sep 7, 2007 9:10 PM EDT reply actions
Will Boston sell out every game this year?
Unless we get another Center in Oct/Nov I could see Powe and Davis playing the 5 and the 4 because of injury, foul trouble along with Perk and KG needing rest. They will control the boards offensively and defensively. There have been many players undersized have done this before and I think they will surprise the league this year.
Well, BillfromBoston, I’m sure the party line is reassuring to the masses. Ainge, the drafting wizard, will recreate his magic and stock the team with talent to carry on after the “big three” fade into the sunset.
I’m sure those Patriots fans from New Hampshire are lining up at the Celtics’ ticket window as we speak.
Brickowski, you are hands down in my book the first subject that any half-way reasonable fan on this blog is tired of reading and writing about. That makes eleven in all Jeff, but I think Brickowski just may belong at the top of the list. You amaze with your virtually unbroken run of negative, complaining comments. I enjoyed the youth movement and was staunchly against them trading Jefferson, Gomes or Green. But I was not complaining about everything the team and management did back then before the Garnett trade, as you were. And you are still complaining about what is irrevocably done. Beyond that about everything that has happened since the KG trade seems to make sense and the entire karma of the franchise has turned around 180 degrees. That alone, will likely more than payback for what they lost in the trade.
They certainly got player talent and leadership value for what they surrendered. They have given themselves the best chance to convert the break they had in getting Paul Pierce and the player he has turned into, into a championship. How Pierce has performed and developed with very little help around him has been impressive. And now we get to see what he can do when it’s not just him. I think we will be rewarded with something special.
Yet you continue your negative unsubstantiated rant. You do not have to remind us that you are on record against all that the Celtics have done. Please chill, take your lousy karma somewhere else, and follow some other teams, because your only interest that you seem to have in following the Celtics is to watch them fail so you can prove to us your basketball smarts. You’re more than tiring and full of yourself. And then if as is possible, things go horribly wrong for the Celtics, come back in 2 or3 years and tell us I told you so. Until then, as you threaten, please go away. Oh is it ever tiring.
by SteveZ from Edgemont on Sep 8, 2007 12:19 AM EDT reply actions
Perhaps some of you folks aren’t quite as confident in your rosy predictions, that’s why you find my comments (which haven’t been that negative, really) so threatening.
They would have been better off trading Pierce for Kirilenko, replacing Rivers with someone like David Blatt and building around Jefferson and West. I’m entitled to that opinion, and time will tell whether or not it is correct.
Nice article in today’s Daily Links on the game between Russia and Greece in the European championships.
BillfromBoston said:
This team’s long term future may not be totally present on the existent roster, but the prestige of the organization has returned and when it comes time to acquire additional players to take the mantel from the current vets I don’t think the team will have trouble doing so…The Celtics were able to continue to re-invent themselves for decades before death and mismanagement derailed a 30 year dynasty…Now that the Celtics have a good reputation again it will be far easier to sign marquee free agents to the club…
http://blogs.metrowestdailynews.com/celtics/
?p=492
I think you need to read this article where The Cooz explains how hard it will be to rebuild and why when these 3 guys retire or lose it. Regardless of what DA has done or can do in the future, it ain’t easy and we should respect the great job DA has done since he took over.
Yes, a team built around Perkins, Jefferson, Kirilenko, Corey Brewer (taken with pick #5) and Rondo, with David Blatt coaching. The bench would have been Delonte West, Tony Allen, Ryan Gomes, Glenn Davis (who they could have drafted with #32), Szczerbiak and Ratliff.
They would have no player older than 26 in their first nine, plus two exiring contracts to use as trade bait at the deadline this year (Ratliff) and next year (Szczerbiak).
Yep, we’ll never know you good that group would have been, but maybe we can guess after we see how the Wolves do this year and how West does with the Sonics.
SteveZ from Edgemont, I think your last post about Brick was over the top. I too have been against the general negativism on this blog and I note that Brick is usually coming from the negative side. But those are his opinions which he has the full right to state. I also think that Brick is one of the knowledgeable posters on this blog when it comes to basketball. Besides, if you don’t like what he says just don’t read his posts.
Brickowski said:
Perhaps some of you folks aren’t quite as confident in your rosy predictions, that’s why you find my comments (which haven’t been that negative, really) so threatening.They would have been better off trading Pierce for Kirilenko, replacing Rivers with someone like David Blatt and building around Jefferson and West. I’m entitled to that opinion, and time will tell whether or not it is correct.
For example I totally disagree with this statement, but it’s Brick’s opinion. It’s a reasonable thought. I just disagree, but that’s it. No reason to come down hard on him.
Brick – You can’t compare how the Sonics will do to your hypothetical plan because Corey Brewer doesn’t make up for them having Durant. He is a much better talent than Brewer and we didn’t have a shot at him. Maybe the Wolves comparison is possibly accurate.
I do wish however that you’d stop discussing what if’s before the season even starts. It’s hard to have good feelings towards an exciting season when someone keeps whizzing in our Cheerios.
You’re an attorney (supposedly). How about this. We all concede for the record that you don’t like any plan they have done or could have done. You didn’t like the team as it stood. You didn’t like the trades they made. You didn’t like the draft. Anything they might have tried you would have done something else. Let’s watch what happens with the moves they made and if it doesn’t work by the end of year 2 then you can post a 10 thousand word essay on why we were all stupid and you were right all along. (Even though you really can never prove your way would have worked either) We will all bow down and admit that you are the smartest man to ever watch a basketball game.
By the way, there is no way I trade the team we have now for the team you have listed above. I doubt any GM out there would either…
Saying people shouldn’t read the posts of they don’t like what that person is saying is kind of a bad thought. #1, when about 1 in 5 posts are from Brick, and 2 more of those 5 responding to him, that makes it kind of hard. Burying your head in the sand is not the way to make this a post we can all enjoy.
Truegreen…Brick is condesending and only meant to demean fellow posters…the guys on a ego trip…btw when was the last time a fellow poster told you what to do or say????..LOL…it’s game on with Brick,we don’t appreciate him as a fellow poster and in this fantasy world we got here we’re gonna let him know…
EJPLAYA, I said how West does with the Sonics, not how well the Sonics do (with Durant rather than Brewer). Go back and read my post.
So if you are going to criticize my stattements, attack what I said, not your misstatement of what I said.
I’m not negative, I’m skeptical. I’ve said all along, let’s wait and see how the Allen and Garnett deals turn out. If my alleged pessimism is goundless, then so is the giddy optimism that seems to have infected certain posters. No one really knows how well this team will do at this point. Let’s leave it at that. If you want to anoint Ainge as the savior, you can annoint him in May or June of next year—if it’s warranted.
For the first time in many a many year, I am one of the giddy, kool aid slurping, all green, obvoxious, overly positive and then some Celtic fan and I will continue to be until proven wrong.
Look up ahead, it’s a bird, it’s a plane, no it’s banner #17.
by docextension on Sep 8, 2007 11:58 AM EDT reply actions
Brick – Re-read your post a few before mine. You are stating that the team listed is preferrable to you. You don’t single out West. Twisting that around doesn’t make you right.
Secondly, you and a couple people that view life the same as you are the only one’s who would call you skeptical over negative. You ARE negative. There are a lot of debatable things, but that sure isn’t one of them.
For someone who claims we should wait to judge this team, you surely slam everything they have done in about every post of yours. It is funny how you either refuse to, or actually don’t realize this. The rest of us sure do.
Follow your own advice and stop bashing them at every chance until May or June. Use that knowledge to come back from the Dark Side!
I do agree with the anti-Brickowski posters. He will be one of those fathers who emphasizes his son’s strike outs instead of his hits, his turnovers instead of his baskets, his slowness instead of his effort. I’ve seen Brickowskis on the sidelines for years? But if I can tolerate them there, I can tolerate them on a blog. He’s a good personal reminder of what not to become so my vote is to keep him posting.
As for Brickowski, from my standpoint I feel anything but threatened by his comments. Tired is more accurate. I’m not into rosy predictions. It’s excitement that the team has possibilities and maybe big possibilities that I enjoy.
TrueGreen, you’re right, I was over a little over the top. Brickowski is more adept and knowledgeable than many who write consistently negative comments. He has a right to state those opinions. That said he often expresses dismissive negativity rather than skepticism.
To follow up on some of his negative gems:
Brickowski said,
[They would have been better off trading Pierce for Kirilenko, replacing Rivers with someone like David Blatt and building around Jefferson and West…
Yes, a team built around Perkins, Jefferson, Kirilenko, Corey Brewer (taken with pick #5) and Rondo, with David Blatt coaching. The bench would have been Delonte West, Tony Allen, Ryan Gomes, Glenn Davis (who they could have drafted with #32), Szczerbiak and Ratliff.]
I think this Kirilenko scenario is way overly optimistic and probably years from a true contender and likely needs a big, and I mean big, acquisition. It’s a truly leaderless team. And while I liked growing with the youth, a winning team has to have leaders, reliable go-to guys and a balance of experience and youth. His fantasy team has none of those. I think he very much undervalues Pierce, and while I liked Delonte West a lot, I think Brickowski overvalues him.
Next from Brick
[One thought that crosses my mind is that the venture capital investors are trying to maximize the short-term value of the team in order to get some rube to buy it and cut their losses. Trading away the 22 year-old Jefferson seems inconsistent with the current owners’ statements that the are in it for the long haul.]
His venture into ownership’s motivation is something from Chicken Little â€" we’ve been infiltrated by capitalist moles that want to cut and run with a quick profit and who don’t care about the team as much as Brickowski does. Nothing this ownership has done supports that.
and another
[…but I feel about the same affinity for this group of players as I do for the Miami Heat, a team that the Celtics are beginning more and more to resemble (except that the Heat have a real NBA coach).
It’s likely that I will spend as much time (and money) following the Wolves, Sonics and Raptors next year via NBA league pass as I will following the Celtics.]
There’s no reason to lack affinity for this team. It wasn’t bought. There was no huge free agent acquisition(s). They’ve maneuvered, taken some risks and made tradeoffs. Ainge was given little to work with and he’s now created something. It’s still entirely untested. We shall see how it plays out and I’m excited about it while Brick is not. And that does get back to my point that Brick sounds like he’d be happier if in failing, the Celtics prove his point.
Finally,
as he projects what’s in it for another poster he’s really telling us what’s in it for him.
[If you are right and this team is ready to win 55-60 games and rip through the playoffs, with Doc Rivers winning his second coach of the year, just think how much fun you’ll have saying “I told you so” and gloating about how much smarter you are than I.]
by SteveZ from Edgemont on Sep 8, 2007 3:44 PM EDT reply actions
Motown said:
I cannot respond because Truegreen will be mad at me
Sounds like you’re afraid of me (yeah,right!). I’m bossed around by my dog and cats, that’s how scary I can be. I only get mad at refs that call a lousy game and a person holding high office (which I probably shouldn’t say). I think we’re all getting a bit crazy waiting for the show to start. I’m a DA supporter to the hilt, but I think it’s his fault that we’re in this condition. He goes on vacation while we scare and fight each other. We need a good trade.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=rtDNTt5p3F8&mode=related&
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This is from the “recent forum topics”, “The Black Hole”.
This is how the game should be played. Notice at the end the pass made by Bird to McHale, so simple, yet so great.


































