"Fixing" The Celtics

pierce needs to cut down on his turnovers and he needs to give the ball up or pass it instead of getting a rebound and trying to bring it up himself. I don’t know how many times I’ve seen him dribble the ball up the court insted of passing to the wing man or someone down court. it makes me insane. somehow, someway doc and co need to get ray allen going. lately he has really struggled. we need him to get on a roll because him scoring 8 or 9 points a game is killing us

In my opinion simply crashing the boards on every posession and taking care of the ball will clean up ALOT of problems. Rondo being out forced TA & Pierce to handle the ball more & they are career turnover machines. The combined for 10 in the last Wiz game. When RR is back, the TO’s should come back down.

Boards are the result of effort & I imagine this team was getting a little drunk on their success. Not the Big Three, but just about everyone else. They need to regroup & remember what got them wins.

That said, they’re 30 and 5 which is still pretty hard for me to believe after the last few seasons of futility…

hard to keep the ball mvoing around when the guards are being constantly trapped. By now they should be expecting this. Ideally, they should pass out and exploit the double team, but right now, guys arenet coming up to help and the man with the rock is making bad passes. Drills, Doc?

stillaceltsfan said:
  Is it supposed to be ironic that Perk is the one giving advice on this?

I’m not sure where you’re going with this, but in the Wizard’s game Perk had 7 rebounds and Heywood 4. I can’t say this for sure, but Perk guarded Heywood when he was in there and Heywood should be their best rebounder. Jamison and Butler got most of the rebounds and mostly on the weak side. Perk’s job is to guard the main rebounder and other players need to box out and rebound better. Perk has pretty well stuck to rebounding, preventing the other team’s best rebounder from getting them, playing primary and safety defense and defending the other team’s Big, to save KG the energy from doing that. Except for a few times when Perk takes too long to get off a shot he’s been doing his job. I think Jeff and Bulpett have it right. I also think other teams are figuring out the Celtics and preparing for them more than they might do for some other teams. If the C’s can get in a few practices things will get straightened out. My one concern now is that I think Ray Allen is trying to do too much WITH the ball. We need to get him back to doing what he does best. I do see Allen moving alot without the ball (Rip Hamilton-like), but we don’t seem to get the ball to him. There doesn’t seem to be much energy lately and I think the C’s have just hit that bump. Posey isn’t hitting his shots and sometimes tries to do too much. I haven’t been in this camp, but maybe we do need a good veteran backup to Rondo, but we have won ?30 games as is. So now I’m rambling and don’t know where I’m headed so maybe I should just start clearing away the snow.

TenaciousD said: …Drills, Doc?

Practice time Tenacious. There are precious few days for practice and especially drills.

Master Po, would add, more driving to the basket (if the refs will call the fouls). As to Perk getting the offensive boards, he is blocking out the other Big. If the balls don’t bounce that way the other guys need to hit the boards (but box out first). I don’t think we take an excessive amount or three’s or play to take them, but we’ve been missing them lately when they are taken, especially Ray Allen. I just think we need to get in two good practices. I also think we are spoiled by the record. Heck, the Piston’s got beat by the Knicks and I believe almost got beat by Charlotte. Oh yeah, I should be shoveling (or blowing away snow).

We’re not getting enough easy baskets.

What Po said.

They need to limit TA’s minutes to about 5 min/game….. he ruins all ball movement with his head down drive to the basket and throw up a wild shot antics.

nearing halfway into the season, it’s about time doc buckle down and work on the celtics offense. thibodeau’s already done and exceeded his part—celtics defense is top in the league.

saw the end of the last game and they were standing round the perimeter-no movement. they were hustling like crazy on defense and resting on offense.it looked like the winter blahs. it seems tony is getting bad rapped- he will never be a point guard and putting him in that position sets him up to fail. coachie doc looks like he is still at the georgetown game.

I used to be impressed when Perkins spoke out. Now, I think it’s all hot air.

The guy should worry about doing his own job—rebounding and finishing easy baskets underneath. He hasn’t particularly impressed me with either of those things this year. He got destroyed by Nazr Mohammed in Charlotte, he seems content to be the “Starter Who Sits on the Bench at the End of Games” for his entire career, and Big Baby has saved his ass from embarrassment in a number of games recently. Besides, I’m kind of tired of him puffing his chest out and hurting the team with technicals.

Shut up, Perk.

perk was going good in the wizards game and doc never played him in the 4th or if he did only for a minute or so. we needed to go big and doc went small. i haven’t always been in perk’s corner but that was one game where he was playing well and doing a lot of good things

Cousin It said:
  I used to be impressed when Perkins spoke out. Now, I think it’s all hot air.
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Shut up, Perk.

Thank You.

All talk and no action. I could care less about him saying the right thing, I want to see him do the right thing on the court. This isn’t character, this is bush league nonsense and I’m sick of it constantly coming from him. His performances do the talking and with regularity the sentiment of his words is nowhere to be found on the court.

“Allen has to move without the ball and knock down the open looks that he gets.”

This is the biggest one to me. RA is one of the best shooters the league has ever seen. The c’s (doc) are using him all wrong. There seems to be very little designed for him to get open without the ball. Think about the pacers when the whole offense was about running reggie’s defender through screens until reggie could catch and shoot. RA is better at putting the ball on the floor and either getting to the rim and finishing or dishing but the c’s don’t take advantage of him. They treat him like just another player to swing the ball to, that is not enough. 10-15 plays/game should be all about getting him open without the ball, not dumping it to him with a defender already there. plus he usually gaurds a very good scorer, run little whiny baby vince carter through some screens, make that phony work.

oh, I dont know about that dobbs. granted every time i see him bring the ball below his waist around the rim I throw up in my mouth just a little bit, but as much as I love big baby there is noticeable defense drop off when he comes in, noticeable mainly in that guys are able to (or dare to) get to the rim and finish, where they just cant with perk and KG in together.

i just hope to god he is not suggesting that big baby is operating outsidce his role, that would be trouble, not to mention stupid.

Red2, Doc usually goes with Posey at the end if the other team goes small, which the wizards did. Haywood was out and Blatch was in which is a good match for KG. There was really no one for Perk to defend. To those who are souring on Perk, just hone in and watch him on defense. He stops alot of points from being scored by good defense on his own man and changing shots of others away from the basket. As to his talking out. No one was rebounding in that game. I think Perk did his job by keeping Haywood off the boards, but he can’t be the only rebounder. I don’t think we should make judgments based on the last game. KG couldn’t hit his shots and didn’t rebound at the end as he did against NJ. I think this team is a bit tired. They can turn up the defense when needed (except for rebounding in some games), but it’s affecting their shooting. The Wizards and Charlotte were stinkers and I don’t think this will be a trend. It’s a wakeup call.

see, trugreen backs me up on the ray allen thing, elite shooters need to have an offense designed to get them open without the ball then deliver it, please, doc, please, or maybe KG or PP needs get this going