Deja Vu All Over Again

This game is on Doc Rivers head…taking TA out of this game,when he was the ONLY guy playing with any heart—-just cause you have to bring in Ray Allen at a certain point,or risk hurting his feelings!

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ouch

Such Crap! the C’s are up 14 and they rest on it! Eddie House shoots way way to much, it gets irritating watching him. This is the worst loss of the year by far, it isnt even close.
The C’s shoot way to many threes at the wrong times. Ray Allen at the end of the game had an open 3 but turned it down to look for Pierce, and then winds up shooting a crap forced three. Annoying.

Max Smart hit it right on the head. This loss is squarely on Doc. There’s no way they should’ve lost that game. The Celtics beat Detroit and thought the season was over. They need to wake up before they start losing home court.

I should add that tonight was the prime example of the difference between a well coached team and a Doc coached team.
As the season goes on, teams are going to get used to the Celtics and games are going to get much closer. Coaching will matter much more, unfortunately for us.

This one hurts. We’re officially back to reality. The good news is that momentum and chemistry are no longer concerns for signing a new big guy and point guard.

Another loss courtesy of Doc Rivers.

It’s on the players. No one can make a shot for 6 mins. Garnett suppose to be the MVP. Tony Allen should have been out there but the guys who were out there have to make shots and keep the Wizards off the boards.

This loss is on the players and their complete lack of intelligence on the offensive side of the court. They left their brains at the door.

Doc could have saved the game and didn’t. Bad call by him, TA should have been left in.

The players are the ones who lost this.

To me this game is a scary vision of what our playoff experience could be. Particularly the 8 seed will play with nothing to lose and pressure us all series. This team cannot handle it, particularly when Rondo is out of the game. They also don’t have anyone that can really drive to the basket besides Pierce which makes it harder to score in crucial situations.

I think we were all a little duped by their fast start and think they might be somewhere between that team and the team we have seen for the last week. A good team but not great. Our point guard can’t shoot and doesn’t seem to play great D either. Our Center plays pretty decent defense when he’s not fouling but outside of that is possibly one of the most useless players in the NBA. And Ray Allen seems to be calcifying before our eyes. Maybe in hindsight we’d have been better with Wally and West. Granted we wouldn’t have gotten KG. Dang I’m angry right now. I reserve the right to back off all these statements if they go on a 10 game winning streak.

I’m sorry, but this loss is on Doc Rivers. I know the team didn’t execute down the stretch, but it was up to Doc to notice it and put the players in that were getting it done. Why the heck did he wait until 51 seconds left to put Tony back in.

Doc’s poor coaching rears its ugly head! It’s going to be a painful first exit playoff series if Doc doesn’t get his act together! He can’t handle a 7 game pressure packed playoff series. He’ll make all the wrong decisions in crunch time! We’ve seen it first hand in 2005. >:(

a slump, a lack of intensity, lots of missed shots, real crummy offense. ray allen missing layups. if ever there was a game that screamed we need a backup pg, this was it. caron butler outplayed pp. kg got his stats but i am not impressed. that was no mvp performance. they look tired- mentally, physically and emotionally. wash. played with playoff focus and intensity and we turn it on and off. there has been a big letdown since detroit and i don’t see a spark. doc- they need something from you besides happy talk.

Our offense is limp, perhaps we need Cialis and we can worry about the 4 hour erection later. Besides we have a Doc on the team anyway.

mmmmmmmmmmmm, this one hurt.

I think the honeymoon is officially over and we have to re-focus.

The scouting reports are out, teams have learned to play us very physically and when the game is tight at the end, anything can happen.

Up by 12 in the fourth quarter and lose? That is not what Wyc and his mates are paying for.

The marathon that is the NBA season is only just beginning to hurt.

Let’s see who really has the heart to fight through this tough period.

The turnaround started just after Jeff posted his article on “When Will This Train Slow Down?” (1/8/2008). Brilliance or Jonahed??? Either way, the article has turned out to be 100% correct, unfortunately.

Go the Green, it’s time to get back our winning grove and get this train back up to full speed ahead !!!!!!

Cheers

Aussie

They still can’t beat a high school zone. Until they do, other teams will keep playing it and their offense will stagnate. And where was was Rondo in the second half? And why was Perkins allowed to remain in the game to make mistake after mistake after mistake? And why was Tony Allen removed when it was clear that Ray Allen was having an off night defensively? And why does Rivers persist in playing Posey and Garnett at the 4-5 when he knows that combination DOESN’T WORK?

This team is going to be toast in the playoffs. I don’t care how many games they win in the regular season.

the kool-aid is rapidly wearing off.

Doc never called a time-out during Wizzards 16-2 run in 4th quarter. His obsession with small ball is comical. Doc needs to spend less time at Georgetown games and more time doing his job.

I really do love watching the attempted plays that Doc draws up coming out of timeouts. It really is just so much fun to watch.

They lost the Freaking GAME!! Period.

We had better hope that our ulustrious leader Doc knows how to coach because if he doesn’t figure it out soon this will soon be a .500 team very quickly.

Oh by the way have you noticed…we are the East Small Ball team. Maybe Doc wants us to be like the Suns. Why doesn’t Davis play some good minutes with KG the last itme that happended he scored 20 points.

Maybe we have stars not liking the Rookie outperfroming them..No that wouldn’t be or would it. For two games in a row Davis has 0 shots in 21 minutes. Some like coincidence?

wow, even a hurt rondo outplayed our back up PG’s

These last 2 games have made me realize just how vital rajon is to the tempo we play at, and also, ill say it again….

EARTH TO DANNY AND DOC, EITHER PLAY GABE PRUITT TO SEE WHAT HES GOT OUR GET A PG WHO CAN DRIBBLE

christ, the minute rajon goes to the bench, the other team doubles, because ray, TA, and eddie arent putting a shifty move on anyone before half court.

also, big T? come on in off the ledge. for this to be a .500 team very quickly, they’d have to lose 20 games in a row.

or, if you ment, from here to the playoffs, that would still be good for 57 wins, a good shot to be homecourt in the east.

The teams playing bad right now, but for all you people who are screaming its over….this is the nba, not football…bad stretchs are going to happen. ask detoit.

Thank you crownsy, I was about tos ay the same thing. Some certainly seem to be looking at a game before even half the season is over as the end of the Celtics and they will now play like crap for the remainder of the season. The are in a slump and need to work on getting back on track.

We go to the second round of playoffs this year. Doc gets fired. We hire Larry Brown and we have a two year window to win.

will doc admit he’s been outcoached two games in a row by eddie jordan? he did versus sam vincent when the entire team didn’t play well.

funny he seemed excited making playoff-type adjustments coming into this game. good for us this isn’t the playoffs yet. i’d take a .500 or under celtics team if it meant realizing systemic and fatal flaws.

I have been saying it all year, win or lose, that I have never seen an NBA team with only one point guard. They have got to sign someone soon to work him into the team to be ready for the playoffs. I am not, however, going to overreact to these losses and am looking forward to seeing the Blazers Wednesday night.

It’s over…..

I missed the game but let me guess:

1. Garnett cannot to save his life score from the post? Right? At best he turns to the baseline and throws up a fall away that his man lovers think he makes all the time but he makes about 40% of the time in reality.
2. We need someone other than Rondo to handle the ball when he is out.
3. Doc refuses to use Baby or Perk at the end of games with KG in.
4. Ray looks old tired hurt and yet he plays the most minutes.

was I right? I didn’t watch but I am betting I nailed it.

If the above problems are fixed we win the title. That incuded KG getting a friggin CLUE as to how to play on offense, which he is going to gte here? Aftyer not getting it whuiole playing for the unlitimate low post guru, McHale? No KG won’t get it and should we be so lucky to get there, Duncan will destroy him in the playoffs.

Pleasant surprises: PP is doing all he can almost all the time

Like Max Smart I put the primary responsibility of this loss on the coaches head. I did not understand why he took Tony Allen out. It was in large part because of his aggressive play combined with Pierce that get them a 14 point lead. If Doc wanted to bring Ray Allen back then he should have subbed him for Eddie House and not Tony Allen. I felt they Celtics were going to lose when the lead was down to five. By then it was clear that Washington had confidence and was foricng the Celtics to react to them.

However, the Celtics as a team have not been playing smart basketball for the last few games. I was at the game agains the Bobcats and was dismayed to see K.G. pick up and incredibly stupid foul a minute into the game on a night when they were going to be short-handed. Then toward the end when there was still a chance decide to try to get a foul on a three point shot by taking one step too many to draw a foul and was called for a travel. Then Tony Allen, knowing that he was starting instead because Rondo couldn’t play picked up two quick fouls on unnecessarily overaggressive play. Tonight I thought Tony played great. On the other hand Perk was making a very bad play for every couple of good ones that he made. Sports at the professional level is about mental effort as well as physical effort. I think the mental effort hasn’t been there with the same consistency as it was earlier in the season. Its not just one player; all of them have been guilty of ridiculously foolish mental lapses at the most inoppurtune times since the Detroit game.

Wahz here is a nice link for you:

http://www.nba.com/celtics/stats/hotzone.html?interval=20000&teamname=celtics&playerame=kevin_garnett&season_value=22007&mysplit=&dochart=1

Looks to me KG is doing just fine.

Pierce is doing all he can? Since the Pistons game? I think everyone needs to step upmore and tha includes PP as of late.

Raise your hand if you think Ray Allen is on the decline – something, by the way, that happens quite often to shooting guards of his age bracket. He no longer seems capable of finishing at the rim and that jump shot hasn’t been so reliable most of the season. Perhaps it’s time to consider bringing him off the bench and getting Tony Allen into the lineup.

The Celtics are basicallp playing 3 on 5 with the starters on the floor. Nobody guards Perkins and Rondo is just not that much of a threat, especially when defenders lay off him.

Perkins is probably the worst starting center in the league. At least he should be able to box out and rebound, but even that’s seems beyond his meager skill set.

More trouble coming Wednesday against a very good Blazers team that just croaked the Nets tonight. Yes, the C’s still have the league’s best record but teams apparently are figuring out how to play against them.

Dude? Your own link shows KG is making only 45-46 of his baseline jumpers that he takes out of the post. Does that account for timing of said jumpers? The fact that he waits to be doubled? Can you NOT see how flawed his game is and that he could fix it? Did you click on the zones? Geez.
You WILL see. Hey how has he done against Okafar?

KG isn’t key domino but he will be in the playoffs when you see him take a pass, have a 6’5" guy on him and then he will wait and wait and wait and wait and wait and wait and wait for the double team and then pass to Ray who will….miss at the buzzer

in case this is getting missed in the translation: KG NEEDS TO GO THE HOOP “NOW” WHEN HE IS IN A MISMATCH and not wait for the double. He NEVER does this and when he never wins a title that will be the reason why. Any chance KG reads this?? GO TO THE HOOP for goddsake!!!

I agree man its crazy! 8)

Where were those ‘flaws’ when they were winning. 55% shooting, huge flaw.

They lose a few games lets pile all the blame on one player. I think that is ridiculous. The whole team needs to get better right now they are not playing well as a whole. I just think some are overreacting the team is 30-6. Don’t think it is any one player it is the whole team at the moment.

The sky is falling! The SKY is falling! :-\

Step away from the ledge boys. A little mid-season slump (of 2 whole losses) is bound to happen.

Doc’s biggest problem has always been not finding ways to play to guys’ strengths.

We have two bona fide low post players – Paul and Baby. Both need to get on the block more, because KG has always been a face-up, high-post player and he’s not changing. Doc also needs to mix it up by going to the pick-and-roll more between Ray and KG or Ray and Baby. If Ray is slowing down, and he appears to be, a pick can get him some room or create a mismatch. I’ve never understood why Doc doesn’t use the pick-and-roll more.

Kendrick Perkins …

29 minutes …

3 rebounds …

Thanks for the pep talk about everyone remembering their roles, big guy.

Sorry to obsess about Perk’s general crappiness, but name 3 worse starting centers. Please. Go for it. Wait—I’ll help you by sorting through the bottom feeders …

Oberto? Maybe. I wouldn’t necessarily agree, but the argument could be made.

Milicic? I’d say this one is a wash. A statistical dead heat. Milicic blocks more shots and doesn’t commit stupid technicals every other game, but he does have a strange negative energy on the court.

Dampier? I’d take him over Perk right now, hands down.

Even Blount had 27 points on 13-16 tonight. Please, don’t take that as me saying I want Blount back. I hate the creep. But if you’re comparing two centers who don’t rebound, it helps if one of them can at least put the ball in the hoop.

I think Rondo’s injury has shown Rondo is a pretty good PG who helps this team when healthy. Perk, on the other hand, is the weak link in the starting 5. A bad center who doesn’t do nearly enough to help the team and can’t be trusted on the court at the ends of games, especially close games. 55% from the line!

He needs to step up, big time. Or the next time he gets on his soap box and rants about people remembering their roles, he should only mention one name—his own.

By the way, how would you like it if one of your co-workers, let’s say a guy who regularly underproduced, periodically talked about “some people” needing to do their jobs better? Why doesn’t he talk to his teammates face to face instead of through the press? And why doesn’t he name names? Ball-less wonder. Big zero.

Sorry—I know I won’t mean half of this tomorrow. Just feel really let down by him right now because I’ve actually defended him to friends here in L.A. who always say, “The Celtics CANNOT win a championship with Kendrick Perkins in the middle.” Well, I’m finding it impossible to argue against them now.

let’s not go nuts

the celtics won’t be “toast” in the playoffs. If it was as easy as playing a high school zone d on them they would have been beaten at least a FEW more times. Someone would have shut them down at the right time here or there when they weren’t on their game. Right? I mean, other than Detroit (obviously) and maybe Orlando (bad matchup-no answer for dwight howard), what team is good enough to beat them – let alone dominate them – in a series? New Jersey? Cleveland? Toronto?

Anyway, the fact that they lost on their home court against a team that they thought they should have put away in their last game, that probably ranks this game as the biggest disappointment of the season so far, even ahead of that first loss to Detroit. The nice thing is it’s still not that big a deal. The team has finally hit a slump. Oh NO!! You mean they might not win 70 freakin games??? The HORROR!! give me a break. I did some research. Apparently there have been not just one but SEVERAL teams who have won it all having compiled such mediocre win totals as 66, 62, even such pitiful tallies as 58, and – this is not a typo – 52!!!

One thing
Go to Pierce down the strech, he is what works

Where has he been then the last few games?

Hmm, you notice how plays break down without Rondo on the court? I really hope he’s back at full strength soon & Ainge is looking for a capable backup. TA & House are decent in 2-3 minute stretches, but no more.

yea, i also love how about 50% of the people here had nothing to say during the uncanny streak of 30-4 to start the season, now that they can actualy bitch, ou of the wood work they come.

The only thing Rick petino was right about is that boston hates to be happy.

Biggest thing in this game is once again, We are a diffrent team with rajon in. and all of you who say he’s not a threat, the wizards looked terrable on defense when rajon was in, and he couldn’t even run. Once Ray Ray or TA or House takes over at the point though, they look like A Allstar defense.

You do the math on what changed.

Get a back up PG who can dribble and bring the ball up danny, or better yet, PLAY GABE PRUITT who had that job in collage, but who is apperntly buried 5th on the PG depth chart, behind 2 pure shooting guards.

lemonadesky said:
  Raise your hand if you think Ray Allen is on the decline – something, by the way, that happens quite often to shooting guards of his age bracket. He no longer seems capable of finishing at the rim and that jump shot hasn’t been so reliable most of the season. Perhaps it’s time to consider bringing him off the bench and getting Tony Allen into the lineup.

I don’t think so at all. There is nothing different in physical attributes this year versus last year when he put up 26/5/5.

He is struggling though and it’s because how he’s been used. Doc has tried changing a few little things over the past few weeks but he needs to start thinking bigger. Ray Allen needs to be more involved offensively not less.

wahz said:
  in case this is getting missed in the translation: KG NEEDS TO GO THE HOOP “NOW” WHEN HE IS IN A MISMATCH and not wait for the double. He NEVER does this and when he never wins a title that will be the reason why. Any chance KG reads this?? GO TO THE HOOP for goddsake!!!

There’s a lot of flaws in KG’s offensive game. I haven’t decided how important they’ll be just yet but they certainly limit him and leave his impact well below a player of Tim Duncan’s stature.

KG cost us at least a dozen points last night by passing up makeable shots and dumping the ball down to Perk and expecting him to do something with the ball. Wiz defense was scrambling all over the place and he repeatedly had good looks from 13-16 feet that he didn’t take. We should have been up double digits in the third quarter.

This isn’t even talking about your points Wahz, and your’s are valid. His refusal to make a move before the double team hurts him and the team. His refusal to take the ball to the rim forces us to be over-reliant on Pierce and it reduces his ability to be a consistent option offensively at the end of games.

There is no reason in the world why KG should be pushed out of the post by Antawn Jamison. He’s stronger and bigger than Antawn. That’s just a lack of effort. KG repeatedly makes a lack of effort fighting for post position. People like to claim it’s his size …. but why doesn’t he get position on guys like Jamison or Rashard Lewis repeatedly? Not just twice or three times but constantly all game long. This isn’t even a game if KG took Jamison into that post. This is why he struggles in the post – lack of effort.

I like KG’s turnaround. It’s about as good a shot as you’re going to get out of the halfcourt when team’s D you up. He needs to take that shot more. Not the best shot in the world but it is a good shot and it’s one he’ll actually take so that’s a plus in my book.

agree with the point about doc’s usage of ray. early in the season, he used him as a back up slasher to pierce, now hes strictly a jumpshooter