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Point Guard Woes

Hate to say I told you so, but...

Peter May:

This is hardly a novel idea - we've been discussing this since the summer - but what is keeping the Celtics from bringing in someone with experience to back up Rondo; in other words, a point guard? Or, failing that, why not thrust Gabe Pruitt into the mix? Isn't that why they drafted him? He may not be ready, but he at least has experience at the position. They could activate ex-Williams point guard Mike Crotty, their jack of all trades, and he'd probably be an upgrade.

Other than Garnett, Rondo may be the one guy the team can ill afford to lose because he makes so much happen out there at both ends. Watching Tony Allen or Eddie House trying to run an offense is like waiting for a turnover to happen. It's not in their DNA. It is in Rondo's. And he is a certifiable beast on defense as well as an excellent rebounder.

Kelly Dwyer:

Boston has a real point guard problem. With Rajon Rondo and Ray Allen too hurt to effectively get the ball up court, Eddie House and (to a lesser extent, thankfully) Tony Allen were left to try and initiate the offense, and they had issues even getting rid of the ball after squirming their way past the half-court line. House and Allen are not point guards, their assist ratios and turnover ratios (not assist-to-turnover ratios, that's all way in the past) aren't even good for shooting guards, and they shouldn't be forced into this position. Danny Ainge: sign Randy Livingston. Sign Ron Livingston. Sign anyone.

The Celtics kept having to start their possession with 13-14 seconds (or far less, even) on the shot clock, and sometimes didn't get the ball into the hands of one of their isolation targets (Paul Pierce or Kevin Garnett, usually, with Allen obviously pulling up lame with a pinched nerve) until six or seven seconds remained on the shot clock.

This meant ball movement, or the extra pass, was out of the question as Pierce and KG had to rise up and save the day with one (usually perimeter) shot.

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Salary Cap…… limits them in any trade….

but do you want Payton, Best, Cassell if released, Bibby if released as well??

Really who else is out there that can help??

Time for Pruitt to start stepping it up !!!

by Ancient Red on Jan 15, 2008 1:19 PM EST reply actions  

Maybe they could make a craigslist ad:
PG needed to get the ball up court effectively.

by mcpu40 on Jan 15, 2008 1:22 PM EST reply actions  

In the summer league, I saw JJ Barea tearing it up for the Dallas team. The skills he showed — dribbling, passing, good judgement — would translate to an NBA squad, especially in a backup role. Recently, he was on the verge of being sent down to Dallas’ D-league team but stayed with the big club because of an injury. The C’s should look into his availability.

by daveybrett on Jan 15, 2008 1:38 PM EST reply actions  

What’s up with Penny Hardaway or Payton or just a point guard from the D-League. Even on short money a back up point guard should be findable.

by liam on Jan 15, 2008 1:46 PM EST reply actions  

Every Celtics fan from here to Vladivostok has been saying we need a backup PG; why Danny is sitting on his hands on this is a mystery. I thought of Randy Livingston a while back. He was a New Orleans HS legend (“The next Magic”) when I was there, but multiple knee surgeries derailed his career. But he recently dropped 24 dimes in a D-League game, breaking his own prior league record of 20. He ain’t as mobile as he used to be, but he has good size, skills, years of experience, etc. I’d give him a 10-day contract once that becomes available, I think in a few days.

I’m familiar with Barea from his days at Northeastern. He’s short, but can score; sort of the proverbial 2 guard in a 1-guard’s body.

Danny’s gotta do something; this is ridiculous.

by Eeyore III on Jan 15, 2008 1:46 PM EST reply actions  

Has there ever been an NBA team that went a whole year with one point guard? (I know that Pruitt is there, but if Doc is not going to play him, then he really is not there). It is now beyond ridiculous not having a legit backup point guard on this team and I only hope Danny acts soon. Every team in the league is going to be all over either Allen or House when they are playing the point and it will not be pretty.

by vinnie on Jan 15, 2008 2:11 PM EST reply actions  

I’ve always assumed that Danny was waiting until closer to the trade deadline, to see what deals he might be able to be part of and who might be bought out. But yes, injuries may force him to act sooner.

by MattD on Jan 15, 2008 2:27 PM EST reply actions  

Danny’s being astute by not picking up crap players. The guy knows what he’s doing. You can force Cassell to be released. I doubt Dallas wants to get rid of even JJ, as I know they’re high on him even though he’s undersized. Guys like Boykins or a crappy D-leaguer would be a net negative on this team.

The only thing I’m slightly in favor of is giving Pruitt a chance, but I do recall games where he brought it up versus scrubs in blowouts and he turned it over twice in a row. Since he’s a long term investment, giving him a chance here and there I’m OK with. Wasting $$$/assets on bad players is a trap I hope Ainge stays out of.

by cmoney on Jan 15, 2008 2:29 PM EST reply actions  

*can’t force Cassell to be released

by cmoney on Jan 15, 2008 2:30 PM EST reply actions  

I think we’re in a different position than we were in at the start of the season. If Danny had signed a veteran “backup” PG at that time, it would not have been long before that “backup” became the starter because of the pressure to win. Danny did not want to tempt Doc with that proposition. He said as much on WEEI one day when assessing the available point guards. He said that he didn’t want to bring a veteran in to be “okay” when he thought that if given the time Rondo would be more than just okay. Rondo had to earn the respect of the coaching staff and, most importantly, the big three. Now that he has done that, it’s far easier for Danny to bring one of those guys in without threatening Rondo’s development. The question is, what options does Danny really have at this point. I don’t follow the business end of things enough to know what’s allowed. But, I would wager that we could find someone better than TA to bring the ball up for the veteran minimum.

by migit on Jan 15, 2008 2:50 PM EST reply actions  

Stating the obvious: when Rondo’s out teams like Detroit initiate the press which disrupts our entire offense. When Pierce or Ray are left to initiate the offense it takes away one of the options to pass to. I really do think it’s time to try Gabe Pruitt and if he can’t do the job Danny still has time to go to a plan B. Also, Danny didn’t really say Scal could bring the ball up, did he? My calender doesn’t say April 1 yet.

by halfman/halfoyster on Jan 15, 2008 2:53 PM EST reply actions  

Actually when we had PG woes a couple of years back, Rivers said that Scal would bring the ball up at times.

by iowa plowboy on Jan 15, 2008 3:22 PM EST reply actions  

pruitt would be useful in the d league getting experience. if he is that bad as a point, ( i know he’s a combo ) what would we have lost in the last 2 games? we lost anyway and maybe pruitt learns something. in the meantime keep the feelers out danny.

by nazzbo on Jan 15, 2008 3:30 PM EST reply actions  

One day Danny is terrible (last year like…. every other day), the next day he is a genius (when we were 29-3….you know….. way back when….uhhh last week). Danny is neither a genius nor competely stupid.

What I find funny is the statement above “Danny’s being astute by not picking up crap players. The guy knows what he’s doing.” hahahahaha Oh really? I would say if he is “astute” then he suddenly got much better…….I can think of more than a few “crap players” old Danny Boy picked up these past few years. Everybody from stiff sore Googs, slow Scali, expensive Raef, and outcast Jiri were basically crap and Danny hand picked every stinkin one of them. I can think of some good ones he has picked up….most recently Posey and House.

Come on with the premature predictions……sure we could use a PG, but sometimes no move is the best move. I neither trust DA to make the right move, nor am I a 100% sure he will make a bad move. No matter who he picks up, when and if he pick anyone, we still have many things to work on right now (Like helping Doc :D ).

Only 44% of the season has passed and we have won 83% of our games. We (me included) spent last year lamenting our woes as we had plenty to lament.

Overcome problems with what you have and quit always wishing for more!!! When the time is right, the right thing will happen. In the meantime try Pruitt once or twice and see what happens…..no wait that makes sense. 8)

by Master Po on Jan 15, 2008 3:31 PM EST reply actions  

There’s no one out there worth the asking price. The best practical solution is probably to see if Pruitt can handle backup minutes.

A player like Duhon or Barrea would likely cost Tony Allen. Not worth it. Maybe the answer is someone like Will Solomon or Pepe Sanchez from Euroleague, but only if one of them has an NBA buyout clause.

by Brickowski on Jan 15, 2008 3:33 PM EST reply actions  

Doc won’t put Pruitt in until there are so many injures that he has no choice. It’s called the Gomes Principle.

by Bidder225 on Jan 15, 2008 3:51 PM EST reply actions  

And Brickowski …. to follow up what you said on another story line…… you said “We are going to get blown out tomorrow by the Trailblazers”

How in the world can you say that? IF IF IF you already know that specific outcome then why bother even watching the game??? Are you watching the Celtic games this season (despite last years promise to root for another team)? If yes, then I assume you are still a Celtic fan?? but yet you watch games that you apparently already know the outcome? Sounds boring to me. In theory, you are watching games that you already know the results/outcome, and it’s an outcome you won’t like because your team loses, but yet you watch? Quit cutting the pills in half!!!…take the whole dose amigo.

If you are not watching the games, then how would you know what we need as a team? or how we will perform going forward (i.e. get blown out tomorrow)? I love your insight on this site, but come on dude…… you are losing credibility with me quickly this season. We win 83% of the time thus far, and yet you already know we are getting “blown out” tomorrow night……please bro just stop with that.

We may get blown out tomorrow, but I make no presumptions to already know that. I am not living in a green hazy fantasy world that says we can easily march to Banner #17, or even make it deep into the playoffs, but can you at least wait to sink our good ship lollypop with you negatve predictions until at least we are taking on serious water????? Man….come on

by Master Po on Jan 15, 2008 4:03 PM EST reply actions  

I think we can do fine by playing Pruitt more, and letting Tony Allen get more action. I don’t feel that our drop off the last few games is explained away by Rondo’s injury. I feel that alot of our offense was predicated on unrealistically high shooting percentage from the 3 point range, and we simply are not making those shots at the same clip. We need to rely more on slashing and drawing fouls, and Tony Allen is among the best at doing that. Don’t know why he continues to be the cause; I think he is part of the cure.

by footey on Jan 15, 2008 4:15 PM EST reply actions  

Brevin Knight would have been great. We could have lived with him spending a third of the season on the sideline, heck it’s what Danny decided to do with Pollard.

by Who on Jan 15, 2008 4:23 PM EST reply actions  

TA at the wing may be part of the cure. At PG, he’s part of the problem. I agree that Pruitt should get some PG burn. Let’s see what we have.

by Eeyore III on Jan 15, 2008 4:24 PM EST reply actions  

I agree about the crystal ball “blowout” prediction. Just silly and stupid.

by Cousin It on Jan 15, 2008 4:33 PM EST reply actions  

Well Master Po and Cousin It, alot of people make predictions around here. I made mine. If the Celtics play anything like they’ve been playing, they will be blown out by an excellent young Portland team that has won 18 out of its last 20 games. While the Celtics were losing to the Wizards, Portland was blowing out the Nets in the Meadowlands by 26.

This prediction doesn’t require a crystal ball, only objectivity.

by Brickowski on Jan 15, 2008 4:54 PM EST reply actions  

Objectivity? Predictions are objective? That sounds like subjective thinking :D :D :D Wow!

Earlier this year when I interviewed the great Bill Russell for this site, I asked Mr Russell if he had any predictions on the upcoming season for the Celtics. He said: “I never never do that….make predictions….that’s why they play the games”

Good enough for me.

Peace :D

by Master Po on Jan 15, 2008 5:05 PM EST reply actions  

Hey Po, isn’t it about time for the promised follow-up interview with the great #6? Or are you waiting till the all-star break? I thought the first installment was terrific, and boy, am I jealous!

by Eeyore III on Jan 15, 2008 5:15 PM EST reply actions  

Po,

I never said Ainge is like the paragon of astuteness, he’s just being astute in this current PG market.

As for Portland, I like them a lot, but they’re also running pretty hot. They’re 2 wins ahead of their pythagorean win/loss. They’ve only got a 1.8 point differential. Still, I’m a little scared of playing them if the Cs still come out flat on intensity and Ray Allen continues his funk.

by cmoney on Jan 15, 2008 5:17 PM EST reply actions  

Bibby will not be bought out, guarantee Kings want value for that voluminous contract, too bad though, I think if he was bought out (somewhere over the rainbow) he’d go to the C’s. Eddie House is his brother in law, their kids are cousins keep it in the family…

by Hillcrestwildcat on Jan 15, 2008 6:36 PM EST reply actions  

Oh yeah that was for Ancient Red ;D

by Hillcrestwildcat on Jan 15, 2008 6:37 PM EST reply actions  

Rondo is a “beast” on defense??

by celticsmaniac on Jan 15, 2008 7:43 PM EST reply actions  

My cat had a litter of kittens that could defend the pick and roll better than Rondo. At least Delonte West tried to cover when there was a mismatch. Rondo just stands there with his thumb in his mouth.

by Brickowski on Jan 15, 2008 8:36 PM EST reply actions  

We need help at the point guard spot is an understatement. while we want one to bring the ball up the court and start the offense we also must make sure he can play some defense as well. I am not sure of the lot being mentioned can do both. I too would gafavor giving Pruit some burns but i wonder why that has not happen already. I trust Doc knows best.

by Freeease1 on Jan 15, 2008 8:54 PM EST reply actions  

Everyone in the world seems to know this, including Ainge & Doc. My guess is that they haven’t found someone that will fit the bill.

Incidently, Portland is a pretty bad road team playing against the C’s with something to prove. I don’t envy the Trailblazer’s one trip to Boston.

by LuckyNumber07 on Jan 15, 2008 9:49 PM EST reply actions  

The Celtics could use help at point guard. That’s not even a question. They’ve needed help since the start of the season. Rondo is a nice player, but he should be splitting minutes with a veteran, not playing 75-80% of the game. I’d look into bringing Keith McLeod back from Europe. He did a pretty good job for the Jazz last year when called upon. Trades are pretty much out of the question unless Ainge wants to cough up a #1 pick for a retread. Other teams can see what the C’s need and won’t be eager to help unless Danny is willing to overpay.

And another thing … isn’t it apparent that Ray Allen should be coming off the bench? Either he’s hurt or his skills are in decline. Plus, Tony Allen plays better as a starter than a reserve.

by lemonadesky on Jan 16, 2008 12:13 AM EST reply actions  

lemonadesky, I am thinking the same way concerning Ray A. I think his committment to defence is takeing its toll on him. The effort is there and its taking his legs out cause he is hustleing to play good D. Start T.A. and the defence will be great and he will begin to really get comfortable again slashing and picking up fouls on the other team. When he needs a blow, bring in Ray A. and let him be the man for a few minites while the starters rest. If they don’t do that at least run several plays in the first for Ray to get good looks and find some rhythm. Go Celtic! 8) ;)

by Bidder225 on Jan 16, 2008 12:56 AM EST reply actions  

good points about ray a, but last game there was at least 2 times that ray ran around 2 picks and before he got there, rondo passed the ball to pierce on the other side where the guys who were picked could easily pick up pierce. that kind of play doesn’t help ray. or pierce.

by nazzbo on Jan 16, 2008 8:38 AM EST reply actions  

I don’t think we need another PG until we vet Pruitt. The chemistry is still so good on this team. It wasn’t just PG play in that Wash game Monday. It was lack of intensity by Pierce and KG, lack of mins for a hustle guy like BBD AND poor PG play.

by Wildblu1 on Jan 16, 2008 10:51 AM EST reply actions  

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