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Babbling Through An NBA Season Preview, Part I: The West

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Yesterday, we discussed the horrors of my picks from this time a year ago (highlights include the Grizz in and the Lakers out of the 2008 playoffs).  So you know by now that the next several paragraphs will feature yours truly speaking authoritatively over future events about which I truly have very little idea and over which I can exercise exactly zero control.

You've been warned.  Off we go with the 2008-09 regular season projections for the Western Conference.

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15.  Oklahoma City Thunder

What's good:  This Kevin Durant fellow seems like he might be all right.  The Thunder definitely won't finish any lower in the West in their first season in Oklahoma City than the Sonics did in their last in Seattle.

What's bad: Columbia Missourian hoops reporter Bill Powell turning on the Lakers-Thunder preseason tilt last week and within seconds happily exclaiming, "Hey, Earl Watson looks just as bad in blue as he did in green!"  Russell Westbrook was a nice pick at the point, but he is likely to have his share of bumps in the road in his rookie season, and the rest of the supporting cast still just isn't very good.  There is a reason this team failed to crack the top 20 in either offensive or defensive efficiency last year, and there isn't yet much of a reason to believe that they won't do the same this year.  How the team reacts to the move to Oklahoma City is anyone's guess.

What happens: Good crowds watch bad basketball.  The pieces are collecting (Durant, Westbrook, Jeff Green), but they need time to develop, and the rest simply aren't there yet.  It's also hard to imagine all the upheaval with the franchise over the past year could be that much of a help to this group.  The Thunder and their ugly jerseys will be a key player in the lottery.

Star-divide

14.  Minnesota Timberwolves

What's good: Al Jefferson officially put the rest of the league on notice with his performance in 2007-08, in which he averaged better than 21 points and 11 boards per game.  He's only 23 and likely to keep growing as a player.  Randy Foye returns at full health after playing just 39 games a season ago.  Sebastian Telfair surprised folks with his better-than-usual-for-Bassy play at times last year.  Kevin Love enters the fold to complement Big Al in the frontcourt, and Mike Miller should provide a nice shooting touch and veteran presence.  It's quite difficult to imagine Corey Brewer making less of an impact than he did as a rookie.

What's bad: Sebastian Telfair is one of this team's positives.  For all his offensive potency, Jefferson can't (or won't?) defend a chair.  The same goes for a lot of the guys on this team (Telfair, Miller, possibly Love), which is why the Wolves finished 27th in defensive efficiency a season ago: They weren't (and aren't) very good at guarding people.  Funny how that works.  This is a very young team, and only one prospect (Jefferson) is a blue-chipper for sure.  Brewer should improve, but there is no guarantee there or on Love as an NBA player.

What happens: Teams score at will in the paint against Jefferson and Love.  The defensive efficiency remains really bad.  Corey Brewer makes a nice jump forward in his sophomore season.  The Wolves lose significantly more often than they win.

13.  Memphis Grizzlies

What's good: The young firepower on this team has a chance to be scary good before all is said and done: Mike Conley Jr., O.J. Mayo and Rudy Gay are likely to make quite a trio.  Gay has established himself as this team's best player, Mayo has the athleticism and skill set likely to make him an immediate impact guy and Conley has a year of experience under his belt.  If Marc Iavaroni can get these guys to share the ball effectively, they are going to put up plenty of points.

What's bad: The Grizzlies have four point guards on the roster and haven't really figured out what they're doing with any of them, though the guess here is that Conley will be the franchise guy going forward.  Darko Milicic underachieved badly in year one of his new three-year deal (after I pronounced that he would silence his critics).  Like most bad teams, they don't play a lot of defense.  Also, how much does Marc Gasol weigh?  Is he officially pushing three bills yet? 

What happens: They play quite a few high-scoring games and lose most of them.

12.  Sacramento Kings

What's good: The best thing about the recently discovered loss of my archives back at Taking it to the Rack is the deletion of the dumbest thing I ever wrote: A collection of silly comments about Kevin Martin with a headline that involved the word "chucker."  That guy can fill it up, as evidenced by the fact that he led his team in total points last year despite only playing in 61 games.  He did that scoring on an absurd 61.8 percent true shooting. 

Meanwhile, Beno Udrih had a bit of a break-out of his own last season at age 25, and John Salmons can play when he gets the opportunities.  Having Ron Artest's personality out of town likely won't hurt, and there is already plenty of early excitement about rookie Donte Greene from Syracuse.

What's bad: When it's all said and done, they're still surrounding Martin with the likes of Mikki Moore, Beno Udrih and John Salmons.  Compared to some of the teams we're going to deal with shortly, they just aren't that good.

What happens: They will get their share of surprise victories at ARCO Arena when Martin shoots the lights out and the rest of the pieces fall into place, but they'll have plenty of nights when they don't have a chance.  This team isn't the terrible bunch I thought it was at the beginning of the 2007-08 season, but there just isn't much room for them up ahead in a crowded conference.

If Only Their Best Player Hadn't Gotten Hurt Riding a Moped

11.  Golden State Warriors

What's good: Few stories around the NBA are more intriguing than that of Stephen Jackson's character makeover during his time in Oakland.  He has become the heart and soul of this team, and he comes off his best individual season still hunting for a contract extension.  Foul-drawing machine Corey Maggette joins the fold as a free agent, and the Dubs still have Don Nelson.  Little else in the league is quite as exhilirating to watch as Nellieball, and the Warriors will undoubtedly continue to run and light up the scoreboard this year.

What's bad: Their best player (and $66 million investment) got hurt riding a moped this summer and then got suspended for lying about it.  Monta Ellis won't play until mid-December at the earliest.  In a conference in which 50 wins was the minimum requirement for the playoffs a season ago, Ellis' prolonged absence will likely be too much to overcome.  Further, Warriors boosters (and generally speaking, I'm one of them) can talk all they want about all the deflections and weak-side steals this team gets, but at the end of the day, they still finished 23rd in defensive efficiency a season ago.  They're not good at that end of the floor.

What happens: Ellis' absence short-circuits them through the turn of the calendar, and even if they manage a decent run after that, it will be too little, too late.

On the Outside Looking In Come Springtime

10.  Denver Nuggets

What's good: Well, I guess it's supposed to be nice that they don't have Marcus Camby's burdensome $19 million salary (that expires in 2010 anyway!) on their payroll anymore.  Also, this group (read: Iverson, Anthony, Smith, Kleiza, Martin, Nene) have the physical talent and explosiveness to go for 200 points on any given night.

What's bad: They're probably going to need to hit that 200 mark to win most nights.  There has been plenty of talk this summer about how Marcus Camby's contributions on the defensive end were overrated, that he was a weak-side defender who could stuff the box score with boards and blocks but do little else.  Seems like a stretch.  Camby might not have been the world's greatest individual defender, but the guy's presence made a big difference in the paint for this team, and the idea that the Nugs will somehow improve at that end without him strikes me as ludicrous.  Expecting players like Anthony and Iverson to suddenly decide to pick up their defensive effort because they don't have a 'safety blanket' behind them seems like a reach with little supporting evidence.  Not buying it.

It also doesn't help that most of the folks named in the offensive firepower comment above are also established knuckleheads in this league.  It's possible to survive with one or two of those guys.  It's very difficult to do so with a team full of them.

What happens: George Karl repeatedly throws his team under the bus in press conferences and wonders why they aren't executing his instructions well enough on defense.  J.R. Smith, now getting guaranteed money, loses his focus, and a distraction-littered season ends early for the Nuggets.

9.  Los Angeles Clippers

What's good: They brought in a local product who happens to be one of the game's top point guards to complement their finally fully healthy stalwart power forward.  The 26-year-old center (Chris Kaman) is entering his prime after a breakout season in which he put up 15.7 points, 12.7 boards and 2.8 blocks per game.  The Clips snagged Marcus Camby on the cheap from cost-cutting Denver this summer.  Al Thornton's rookie year points per game by month: 6.3, 8.1, 13.2, 17.4, 15.7, 14.9.

What's bad: The stalwart power forward isn't actually in the fold anymore, having jettisoned the team for a better offer in Philly (salutations, David Falk!).   Camby and Kaman are both centers at this point, and there's no guarantee that they will mesh all that well offensively, although this team should certainly guard the interior well.  Baron Davis' ability to thrive in the running game may be neutralized by Mike Dunleavy's preference for the slowdown. 

What happens: Davis loves playing in his hometown, and this team is much better than the one that was decimated by injuries a season ago.  But as Bill Powell points out, this team had a healthy Elton Brand and Corey Maggette (to go with Sam Cassell) two years ago, and it still missed the playoffs.  It has Davis and Camby now but neither Brand nor Maggette, and the conference may be more competitive now than it was in 2006-07.  The Clips hang tough in the hunt, but the facts that they still have a lot of injury-prone vets and that their new cast members will need time to get used to playing with each other will keep this team from putting up enough victories to earn a berth.

Securing Berths

8.  Portland Trail Blazers

What's good: This has to be considered the best stable of young talent in the game at this point, right?  The 2006-07 Rookie of the Year (Brandon Roy) enters his third season and his second as a captain after another steady sophomore campaign.  The league's most heralded young big man of the last decade (Greg Oden) finally makes his professional debut.  The Blazers have a lengthy power forward who only figures to keep getting better in LaMarcus Aldridge, a rookie combo guard waiting in the wings (Jerryd Bayless) and one of the world's best international players in swingman Rudy Fernandez. 

Nate McMillan had these guys playing way over their heads last year without the big fella from Ohio State, and even if Oden isn't dominant right away, he will almost assuredly be a presence from the get-go.  The guy is going to be a force at the defensive end for as long as he can stay on the court (conditioning and fouls will be issues), and the offense will come.  Roy and Aldridge are already young veterans, and this group will play hard team basketball on a night to night basis.

What's bad: Questions remain at small forward.  Martell Webster will be out until December with a foot injury, and the team isn't sure how to address that.  There was talk of moving Fernandez to the three, using sixth man Travis Outlaw as a starter, or possibly starting draft night acquisition Nicolas Batum.  Fernandez is really a two, Outlaw is best used as instant offense off the bench, and Batum's ability is relatively unknown.  The good news here is that Webster wasn't any world-beater either, so perhaps they won't be much worse off than they would be if he were healthy.  But the position is still an issue either way.  My Blazer fan pal Acks spends most of his days envisioning a run at Danny Granger next summer.  As for now, I heard Darius Miles was available.

What happens: Oden will have his ups and downs, and like many young teams, the Blazers will run hot and cold throughout the year.  But McMillan's steady hand and the fact that this team is filled with legitimately hard-working players focused on the task at hand will help the Blazers sneak in to the playoffs.

7.  Dallas Mavericks

What's good:  Jason Kidd has had a full offseason and training camp in Dallas, and he enters the season as a fully integrated part of the system.  For all the knocks he has taken since his MVP award and ensuing playoff series against Golden State in 2007, Dirk Nowitzki is still a big-time scorer who does a bit of everything for his team.  Josh Howard hasn't (to my knowledge) engaged in any public acts of idiocy in more than a month.  Out is Avery Johnson, whose time had passed, and in is Rick Carlisle, a coach with a fairly successful track record (.571 career regular season winning percentage) in his own right.

What's bad: Kidd may be integrated, but he also enters the season as a 35-year-old.  Meanwhile, though Carlisle has a good track record, it was a bit confusing to see the removal of Avery Johnson (a move largely speculated to have come based on his nature as a control freak) followed with the hiring of a coach also known for keeping a tight rein on his players.  Carlisle promises plenty of running this year, but it's hard to forget Tom from Indy Cornrows telling me last year about "the shackles Rick Carlisle threw on fast break opportunities" while he was in Indiana.  Howard is fast becoming one of the league's loopier individuals, and the rest of the cast isn't getting any younger (Jerry Stackhouse, Jason Terry) or can only provide so much in the first place (Erick Dampier, DeSagana Diop).

What happens: As unexciting a situation as we have in the West.  The Mavs have sufficient talent to get themselves back to the playoffs, but there doesn't seem to be enough here to merit expecting more than that.  Their window of possible dominance appeared to slam shut in Golden State in May 2007, and full health from Kidd should be a requirement even for a return to the playoffs.  And while we're not generally into compounding our regular season errors with foolish playoff predictions in this column, it's hard to see Dallas as currently constructed matching up with any of the West's top five teams and coming out on top in the first round.

6.  Phoenix Suns

What's good:  It never hurts to have a two-time MVP and one of the game's most explosive young bigs.  This team had reached a point where it was clearly not going to get over the hump with Mike D'Antoni's defense-free system and Steve Kerr's personnel, so credit the Suns for making a change to defense-minded Terry Porter.  This team has also started to invigorate its future prospects with the addition of  22-year-old point guard Goran Dragic from overseas and 20-year-old Stanford center Robin Lopez.

What's bad: They're still paying Shaquille O'Neal $40 million over the next two seasons.  Four of their key players are 32 (Raja Bell), 34 (Steve Nash) and 36 (O'Neal and Grant Hill) years old, and there is no telling just how well these guys adapt to their new system.  The personnel still isn't great defensively, and not running quite as much could stunt the growth of the offense at the outset, though we're confident the likes of Nash and Amare Stoudemire will ultimately adapt on that end.

What happens: They jump a few spots in defensive efficiency and fall a few spots in offensive efficiency and essentially amount to the same sort of team they were a season ago.  These guys can roll it up against the East, and their offense will still give them a chance to win every night in the West.  But the age, the decreasing usefulness of O'Neal and the fact that they just may not have the players to ever really become a top-line defensive team will prevent the Suns from hopping back into the West's upper echelon.

Cream of the Crop

5.  San Antonio Spurs

What's good: In Tim Duncan, Manu Ginobili and Tony Parker, they still have the core of a team that has won three titles this decade.  They are extremely well-coached, they don't beat themselves and they are smarter than everyone else.

What's bad: Depth and age.  This team looked too old and worn down by the time it ran into the Lakers in the Western Conference Finals in June, and it hasn't done much to address that beyond adding gunner Roger Mason Jr. from Washington.  Ginobili is 31 and has health concerns.  Bruce Bowen and Michael Finley return at ages 37 and 35 respectively.  The Western Conference may just have too much power across the board to allow this team to make it through three rounds to the finals.

What happens: Gregg Popovich continues his standard practice of preparing to be refreshed for the playoffs rather than worrying about seeding.  He'll rest his three stars as much as he can (particularly Duncan and Ginobili), and the team that cares the least about its regular season results will coast to the playoffs with ease once more.  That they will finish third in their own division just won't mean much to them.

4.  Utah Jazz

What's good: The Jazz have two of the league's best young players in Deron Williams and Carlos Boozer, and they return all the key pieces of an offense that topped the league in efficiency a season ago.  Jerry Sloan is right up there with any coach in this league.

What's bad: This team has been completely unable to defend shooting guards over the last two years.  Whether they will be able to change that remains up for debate.  Who knows when Andrei Kirilenko will regain his consistency?

What happens: So long as Williams' ankle injury doesn't linger, they cruise to the Northwest Division title.

3.  Houston Rockets

What's good: They bring back all the key pieces of what was a powerhouse defense a season ago, finishing second in all of basketball in defensive efficiency.  Shane Battier emerged as one of the league's premier perimeter defenders, and this team added another top-notch defender and 20-point scorer to go with two stars who one can only imagine are hungrier than ever for some playoff success.  In year two under Rick Adelman, this team may find the high-octane offensive stride it expected a year ago.

What's bad: That perimeter defender and 20-point scorer that they brought in (Ron Artest) is a legitimate lunatic.  Tracy McGrady and Yao Ming don't have spotless health records.  While Jeff Van Gundy may profess to love him, and he has improved in recent seasons, Rafer Alston gives the Rockets a decided disadvantage at the point against the other top teams in this conference.

What happens: Perhaps the most intriguing team in the West, the Rockets bank on a contract year filled with good behavior from Artest, and for the most part, they will get it.  The Rockets will continue to play suffocating defense, and Battier's versatility and attitude will make him one of the league's top sixth men.  Lots of regular season success for the fellows from Houston.

2.  New Orleans Hornets

What's good:  They have Chris Paul, and everybody else doesn't.  The continued production of Peja Stojakovic, the growth of David West and Tyson Chandler's monstrous weakside defense don't hurt either.  And, of course, they poached the Celtics' beloved sixth man, James Posey.

What's bad: Very little.  They finished in the top seven in offensive and defensive efficiency a year ago, and they have rid themselves of reserve chucker Jannero Pargo.  A little more production from Morris Peterson at the two wouldn't hurt, and the Hornets will need youngsters Julian Wright and Hilton Armstrong to take a step up off the bench this season.

What happens: Paul turns in a second straight MVP-caliber campaign, and if the Hornets stay healthy, they take their second consecutive Southwest Division title. 

1.  Los Angeles Lakers

What's good: They are the reigning Western Conference champions, and they have the league's reigning MVP, for starters.  Pau Gasol begins his first full season in the City of Angels, and he does so alongside one of the game's most promising young bigs in Andrew Bynum.  It may take some time for them to gel in the frontcourt, but we're talking about one of the league's most productive big men of the past few years and an athletic youngster who does a bit of everything.  These guys are good.  Really good.  The point guard tandem of Derek Fisher and Jordan Farmar provides steady play at both ends of the floor as well.

What's bad: What exactly is going to happen with Lamar Odom?  How much of having his role bounce around can his psyche take?  Will Vladimir Radmanovic ever guard anyone?

What happens: Like them or not, this Lakers team is really good.  If fully healthy, Bynum proves the hype legitimate, Kobe runs around doing Kobe things, and the Lakers prove themselves the class of the West once more.

So there you have it.  We've made our (assuredly misguided) picks for the Western Conference.  Now it's your turn to join the prognostication misery parade.  Feel free to let us know why we're wrong and to give us your break down of the Western Conference in the comments below.  The Eastern Conference preview comes tomorrow, but until then, in the words of immortal NFL pool commissioner Paul Farash...

...later.

 

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Welcome to the SBNation.

by DakotaWiz on Oct 26, 2008 3:37 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Thanks, DakotaWiz

Really like the platform here so far, and I’m looking forward to exploring all of what SB has to offer.

-sw

"Because Dick Stockton has improved, he has now reached the level of being an out-and-out moron." - Howard Weinman

by Steve Weinman on Oct 26, 2008 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Marc Gasol

“Also, how much does Marc Gasol weigh? Is he officially pushing three bills yet?”

Appearance wise he’s one of the most randomly entertaining guys in the NBA. I can’t imagine he’ll have anything close to a noticeable impact.

Nice work on the preview.

Green Bandwagon: Repeat in '09 or bust. Are you on the bandwagon?

by Jim Weeks on Oct 26, 2008 4:07 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Thanks, Jim
Appearance wise he’s one of the most randomly entertaining guys in the NBA

Couldn’t agree more. That guy took up half my TV screen during the Olympics.

-sw

"Because Dick Stockton has improved, he has now reached the level of being an out-and-out moron." - Howard Weinman

by Steve Weinman on Oct 26, 2008 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It’s Kevin Durant who can’t defend a chair.

The T-Wolves will make the playoffs or come very, very close.

Denver will implode and Dallas is an injury to Kidd or Nowitzki away from the lottery. I wouldn’t be surprised to see Phoenix in the lottery either. That team is poorly constructed.

Portland should be in the top 5, and the best team in the West is NO, not LA.

by Brickowski on Oct 26, 2008 4:22 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm excited about Portland's prospects, too...

……but what makes them better right now than SA, Houston, Utah, NO or LAL?

I’m not seeing it quite yet.

-sw

"Because Dick Stockton has improved, he has now reached the level of being an out-and-out moron." - Howard Weinman

by Steve Weinman on Oct 26, 2008 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Portland and Minnesota

I’m also cautiously optimistic about the Trailblazers. They will be exciting and good, but will hit some bumps in the road. Meanwhile, I just don’t see it with the Timberwolves. They give off a bit of a Boston circa 2007 vibe, which is not a good thing. I can’t see them defending anyone in the post.

Green Bandwagon: Repeat in '09 or bust. Are you on the bandwagon?

by Jim Weeks on Oct 26, 2008 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Couldn't agree more about Minnesota, Jim

Interior defense is going to be a nightmare.

-sw

"Because Dick Stockton has improved, he has now reached the level of being an out-and-out moron." - Howard Weinman

by Steve Weinman on Oct 26, 2008 7:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good reading

I’ll just express my disagreements:

15. Their jerseys are not that bad.

14. Interior defense: Love should be an improvement over Gomes, just give him some time to catch up the NBA game. Jefferson’s badness and the tandem lack of height will still leave them in a very bad situation. Brewer is showing improvement, and he can strength their perimeter defense and protect the bigs. Still a very bad situation overall in defensive terms, though. But a funny team to watch and I going to predict they’ll end the year in the 9-12 range.

13. One year ago I was predicting Gasol would never be a NBA player. Well, I wasn’t merely because the question would never cross my mind. But yeah, his amusing goofy look will be his biggest contribution this season.

12. Martin is a baller. I’m curious to see how much Spencer Hawes improves, if anything at all (but keeping my expectations low).

11. Unforgivable you didn’t make a reference to Azubuike, Steve. I’m predicting him to win the MIP award. However, they’ll still miss the playoffs.

10. I was reading stuff from work and the stream was having some cracks, but did you call these guys “psychos” or my ears fouled me? I ask for no reason, found the strong wording amusing and funny. Anyway, I’m going on record (just for the sake of making a bold prediction) saying they acquire Tinsley, make the playoffs and pass the 1st round; allowing the msm to choose inventive titles for articles like “When bad boys are the best boys”. Although you are probably right, except that Nene is indeed a superior defender compared to Camby. But I’m bookmarking this page, just in case.

9. Nothing to disagree here, just curious to see if Dunleavy allows the team to run.

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7. I think Carlisle will show he’s more adaptive than the conventional wisdom says he is and this team will have one of the best offenses in the league.

6 to 1, agreed.

by cordobes on Oct 26, 2008 8:47 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

always love hearing from you, cordobes...

Easiest I think just to go numerically as you did…

15 – Issue of stylistic choice, I think :-D Glad somebody likes ’em.

14 – Looks like you’re not alone on Minny. As you can see from Brick’s comments (and I got a couple of emails to this effect as well), looks like there is a lot of love for the Wolves. I really hope you’re right about Brewer – he would have been high on my list if the Celts had kept that five pick in 2007 (glad things worked out as they did, ya know?), and I really liked him coming out of Florida. Still, I think the defensive issues will plague that team in a big way.

13 – Rather than putting on sunscreen the next time I go out during the summer, I’ll have to just see if I can bring Marc Gasol with me (I kid, I kid).

12 – I share your curiosity about Hawes. What do you think is reasonable for him this year?

11 – Guilty as charged. Should have mentioned Kelenna for sure. Thanks for calling me on that one.

10 – Yes, you did hear me correctly with the word choice on the Nugs. As I’m sure you’re aware by now, I’m really not the biggest fan of the knucklehead-dominant teams. Glad you enjoyed the reference, and I’m really just honored to hear that you took the time to listen to the interview. Hope you enjoyed it.

We’ll have to keep this page on record as you said – so that when they roll into homecourt advantage in the first round, I can douse you in TPs. If there is anything to be learned from Saturday’s post, it’s that picking against me is usually the way to go.

9 – I really hope he does. Camby is used to it from Denver, and Baron really thrives in that sort of environment.

Looking forward to your thoughts on the East tomorrow…

-sw

by Steve Weinman on Oct 26, 2008 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Spencer

Finishing the season as the starter. Season averages: 12/8/2 blk/ 3 ast. in 26 mpg, .52 FG%, overall poor defense.

by cordobes on Oct 27, 2008 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don’t think Jefferson is that bad defensively, and neither is Love. Plus, Jason Collins is a experienced and defensive-minded backup. And the Wolves will score alot of points. As Foye goes, so go the Wolves, and it looks as though he’s ready to lead.

So why is Portland #8 and LA #1? Whos is better, Oden or Bynum? I’ll take Oden all day. Who is better, Lamarcus Aldridge or Gasol? Gasol is a very skilled player, but as we saw in last year’s championship series, he’s soft. Aldridge is much better defensively and on the glass, a better leaper and much quicker up the floor. Brandon Roy vs Kobe I’ll give to the Lakers, but Brandon Roy is an up and coming star. Lastly, Portland has a FAR superior bench. The Lakers have no one as good as Przybilla, Outlaw and Fernandez, who may have been the best player in Europe last year.

NewOrleans is also better than the Lakers. Ranking the Lakers No. 1 is simply to fall victim to the media hype, the same media that overwhelmingly picked the Lakers to clobber the Celtics last year.

I predict the Lakers don’t even win the WC finals. IMHO New Orleans, Portland and Houston are all better than the Lakers, and San Antonio will be just as good when they get Ginobili back.

by Brickowski on Oct 26, 2008 9:25 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I disagree big-time about Jefferson

His lateral movement defensively is terrible, he doesn’t close out well on his man from midrange, and he constantly fails to get position inside. The numbers aren’t encouraging either: Despite the fact that Jefferson played on a putrid Minnesota team that wasn’t very good with or without him on the floor, the Wolves were an astounding 12.1 points per 100 possessions better defensivelywithout him on the floor than with him. That Jefferson allowed 56.3 percent eFG to opposing centers isn’t much to write home about either.

As for the Portland-LA debate, while I like the Blazers, too, I think you are vastly overrating them with regard to the Lakers. If Oden is what he is heralded to be, he should turn out better than Bynum in the long term. But right now he is a guy without a game of NBA experience who has had some issues with fouls and conditioning in his exhibition experiences thus far, and for all the talk of Bynum’s injury issues, Oden just missed a year and has a history of getting hurt. At best, that’s a wash for Oden right now, and I’m not sure it’s that good. Again, I think we could see a meteoric rise from Portland in the years to come, but that jump won’t be completed this season, and Oden’s developmental speed is a big part of that.

By what metric is LaMarcus Aldridge a better rebounder than Pau Gasol? Gasol’s per game, per-minute and rebound rate figures are all better than Aldridge’s. Gasol is also a significantly better scoring force. While Aldridge has the length and defensive prowess to really become a big deal in this league before too long, I’m definitely taking Gasol at this point.

Sounds like you’re being real generous in “giving” the two-guard match-up to the Lakers. I like Roy as much as anyone, but comparing him to Kobe Bryant just isn’t fair. There’s a reason Bryant is the reigning MVP of this league and one of the top two or three individual players on the planet. Roy is a nice player, but he is no Kobe.

I do think the Portland bench will be very good this year, but the Lakers have some depth of their own as well, as they bring Jordan Farmar, Sasha Vujacic (like him or not, he was highly efficient last year) and currently Lamar Odom off the bench.

Ranking the Lakers No. 1 is simply to fall victim to the media hype, the same media that overwhelmingly picked the Lakers to clobber the Celtics last year.

If I fell victim to anything, it would be having watched this team play when it was busy winning 57 games a year ago and rolling off a 12-3 record in the Western Conference playoff bracket, and that was without Bynum for the last half the season (and I’m an unabashed believer in the hype about him). I’ve said nothing about the Lakers and the Celtics, and you’ll note from my comments then through now that I’ve been a consistent believer that the C’s are better. The idea that because I think they’re still a very good team I’m suddenly “victim to the same media hype that picked them over the Celtics” is silly.

I’ve made clear in this post that this is a very difficult conference, and so you’ll excuse me if I’m not exactly blown away by the idea of you picking ‘the field’ over the Lakers for the conference title.

All that said, I appreciate the comment and the discussion.

-sw

by Steve Weinman on Oct 26, 2008 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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1. Glad to hear Mike Conley has a year of experience under his built. Figured I’d get the first punch out there in case you ever do this to my new blog.

2. The thing under your comments makes your dad look like a mean guy. That’s not nice.

3. The new design is sweet. Good on you guys.

4. Hopefully Roy Hobbs is still dropping and bopping.

by mvnclipper on Oct 26, 2008 9:30 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Steve, you can’t look at defensive statistics— or any statistics for that matter— in a vacuum.

Minnesota’s starting pg last year was Sebastian Telfair and Marko Jaric got the majority of the minutes at sg, which means that opposing guards got into the paint at will. No post defender is going to look good defending one on two. Foye is a major upgrade defensively, and so is Corey Brewer. Let’s see how Jefferson does with better perimeter defenders.

by Brickowski on Oct 26, 2008 10:43 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm not claiming the guy was in an ideal situation,

but from what I could tell when I watched him as well (which is why I tried to provide both statistical and anecdotal evidence, because I agree with you about defensive statistics), he just doesn’t move all that well or have much awareness.

Further, the fact that they were so much better without Jefferson on the floor is a damning figure because it’s still the same roster of guys on the floor, only with or without Jefferson on the floor.

-sw

by Steve Weinman on Oct 26, 2008 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Wolves were 6-2 in the preseason and held their opponents 96 ppg while scoring 102.

That’s not a good defensive performance when compared to teams like Boston or San Antonio (both of which held opponents to around 90-91 ppg), but it was quite respectable within their division.

Denver gave up 107 ppg, OK City 106 ppg and Utah 99 ppg. Only Portland did slightly better defensively than the Wolves.

IMHO the preseason is fairly irrelevant with veteran teams, but it can show quite a bit about a young team. This year it showed that the Wolves are improving defensively.

by Brickowski on Oct 27, 2008 12:17 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm not much for getting crazy about the preseason either, but

out of curiosity, why is it that you use points per game stats rather than defensive efficiency? I’m a lot more interested in knowing how these teams are doing on a possession-by-possession basis and evaluating them in a way that counts for pace. The Jazz played the tenth fastest pace in the league a year ago, and Denver played the league’s fastest pace. I don’t know how fast those teams are playing this year or what pace Minnesota is playing at, but my point is that the points per game statistics can be a bit misleading. At this point, efficiency is of far greater significance to me.

-sw

by Steve Weinman on Oct 27, 2008 12:34 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’m old fashioned. I look at won-lost records and the differential between points scored and points surrendered.

by Brickowski on Oct 27, 2008 12:47 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

won-lost records, i'll buy

and even margin of victory. But if all we’re going to look at is the defensive side (rather than margin, as you provided for me with your last comment), then I’m all for using points per possession statistics. If you’re simply going to compare the points teams allow, choosing between per game and per possession doesn’t seem to be so much an issue of old-fashioned and newfangled as much as it’s a question of accuracy and what provides the fullest picture of how effective a team is defensively. And near as I can tell, that’s going to be the latter.

-sw

by Steve Weinman on Oct 27, 2008 1:01 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wins and losses don’t lie. All other stats are derivative and can be misleading.

Jefferson will never be an all-NBA defender. But he rebounds at both ends and he’s a decent weak-side shot blocker. Because he lacks lateral mobility, he’s a better defender at the center position than at pf.

But look at the Wolves as a whole. Foye is vastly superior to Telfair, and Corey Brewer is an excellent defender. Brewer reminds me of a young Don Chaney. Minnesota is a much-improved team and will do far better than you have predicted.

by Brickowski on Oct 27, 2008 1:12 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

i assuredly don't disagree with the premise of your post

I do think Minnesota will be better and more watchable than they were last season. But they also won 22 games last season. Just because they’re better doesn’t mean they are going to start leap-frogging teams left and right. The Kings won 16 more games than they did last year; are the Wolves going to make up that difference? If not, who else will they pass?

-sw

by Steve Weinman on Oct 27, 2008 1:37 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The teams in the West without playoff chances

The bottom two in the West are going to be Memphis and Oklahoma City.

Dependent on Salmons production and the contributions of their two young bigs, Sacramento are either a candidate to join to the cellar or win 35 games.

Right now I have Minnesota third worst in the West – because I think Salmons will come good, and GSW have an interesting team – but the Wolves could easily leapfrog both of those squads. I don’t see the Wolves making a playoff push though. Oh and by third worst I do not mean comparable to Memphis/OKC, Minnesota are far superior and are on the heels of the next two. There’s a big gap between the bottom two and the next tier in the West.

Wolves – Al Jefferson one of the most dominant low post scorers and rebounders in the league. Then three 40% three point shooters who can score 14-15+ppg in Foye, McCants and Mike Miller. Then the perimeter defense of Corey Brewer. Plus the all round talents of Kevin Love, who’s passing/shooting/screens/intelligence is going to be a perfect fit offensively to unleash the other Wolves players, then add in his rebounding. Then you start looking at the rest of their bench with Gomes, Telfair and Carney on the perimeter and some limited big men backups, Collins is decent though. Offensively that’s a playoff squad. Defensively they have big issues but they’d have to be unbelievably bad to finish in the cellar next to OKC and behind Memphis.

On the bright side of the Wolves preseason I thought their defense was much improved on last season. Their D spurred a few comebacks (both Bulls games for example). Jury is still out on how consistent it’ll be over 82 games … which is why I’m giving the benefit of the doubt to GSW/Sacramento … but Minnesota could end up passing both of those teams out.

by Who on Oct 27, 2008 1:53 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Western Teams with playoff chances

I think the 8th seed comes down to three teams – Dallas, Denver, and the Los Angeles Clippers.

  • I don’t expect the Nuggets to miss a beat this season, the only way their season spirals is through injuries, not the loss of Marcus Camby. I consider Denver having the second best shot of these three teams, so they’re 9th.
  • I think the Clippers have the worst shot of these three teams so they’re my 10th placed team. My primary concerns are about the amount of offensive help Baron Davis receives and their defense on the wings. Al Thornton and Eric Gordon will need to put up very impressive seasons for the Clippers to steal the 8th seed.
  • Dallas are my favourite and pick for the final spot out West. Carlisle is a superb coach who’ll bleed every last morsel of talent out of his players. They’ve been impressive in preseason and clearly Carlisle has brought the fun back to Dallas, and unleashed Kidd to his full effect. I now consider Dallas a good bit ahead of the two trailing teams.

There’s a very important principle to remember in the West – The West is loaded but nearly all of their teams are significantly flawed, which makes them overly vulnerable to certain squads and hurts their playoff chances hugely despite the overwhelming talent on their roster. If you can’t beat the teams ahead of you, you can’t win.

So let’s start with the two teams that need a near perfect path to the NBA Finals in order to be a true contender

  • Phoenix Suns – can’t defend the screen and roll which is only Utah, New Orleans, San Antonio, Portland and LA. San Antonio ran high screen and rolls over and over and over again until they killed Phoenix, so can the rest of the West. Their top trio of players (Nash, Amare, Shaq) are all incomplete defensive players and can be taken advantage of, which puts a huge amount of pressure on their supporting cast. Also their offense has taken a significant step back following the Shaq acquisition, and I also worry about the lack of perimeter shooting off the bench. Then you have an unknown factor in Terry Porter. More so than any other team in the West, the Suns playoff chances are dependent on the playoff draw, they need a high seed to have any hope.
  • Utah – Their two big men are mediocre defenders. Neither is a good help defender, neither defends well away from the hoop , and they can struggle against long athletic post players. This in itself isn’t the reason why Utah lose, Utah could work around this but they’d need an elite perimeter defense to do so. Deron Williams is a good defender at the point so he makes this possible. The problem is Brewer and Kirilenko, neither player is a stopper or an elite perimeter defender. Both are good candidates as the second best wing defender, so one can stay, but the other has to leave. Until Utah either changes their perimeter D or their bigs they cannot win in the West. As Steve pointed out they also struggle hugely against top wings. Too much to overcome.

I love Utah, for my money they have the most beautiful offense in the league. It pains me to see such a talented team have little-to-no chance at making noise in the playoffs. They’ll be out by the second round. The only way they get past that is if they get a very lucky draw come playoff time.

If Utah were in the East they’d be the second best team in the conference, and in terms of the Celtics they’d scare the hell out of me … but they’re in the West and they matchup poorly with several teams in the West – especially the Lakers.

Then comes the spoiler

  • San Antonio cannot win the title this year. They do not have the supporting cast to get this done. Still, they have an excellent team and will play the role of a playoff spoiler capable of knocking out all teams below them and possibly a few above them. They just won’t be able to keep it up for four rounds.

Now we move onto team’s with healthy chances of winning the conference

  • New Orleans are my fourth place squad. My problems with New Orleans are (1) Offensively they’re too reliant on Chris Paul. Teams can force them to play 2-on-5 come playoff time and that’s a near impossible task for the Hornets (2) The lack of a perimeter stopper. Players like Kobe Bryant, Manu Ginobili and Brandon Roy and have ripped apart this team. They need a stopper, they have one (Julian Wright) but he won’t play enough to swing the series. They didn’t need a defender like James Posey, they need an out and out stopper. (3) Lack of big men depth ….. Overall the Hornets are a better squad than last year but I do not think they’ve improved enough to join the frontrunners out West.

I think the Hornets struggle against LA, Utah, San Antonio and possibly Houston+Portland.

The Wild Card

  • Portland – remember at the start when I told you nearly every squad in the West is overly dependent on playoff matchups to have a shot in the playoffs? There’s only three who aren’t and Portland are one of them, that’s why they’re third.

I expect Portland to finish 7th or 8th seed wise but that will not do them justice, come playoff time this team will be an incredibly difficult out. They can play with anyone and can beat anyone in the West. Scary squad.

The one concern I have with this squad is perimeter defense. They need a stopper on the wings alongside Brandon Roy. Martell Webster looks their best bet but he got injured during their first preseason game, so we won’t know what their defense is truly capable of until he returns. Rudy and Outlaw have to improve defensively if they want to start on this team. Portland can’t win the West if Martell isn’t able to seal up their perimeter D. That’s my one major concern.

The Class of the West

  • My second seed is the Houston Rockets and I may be underselling them. If I were a Lakers fan I’d be scared senseless over this Rockets squad. Everything that Boston does well that bothered LA in the Finals … Houston does that too. They have the excellent team defense. They have Shane Battier who has defended Kobe Bryant superbly over the years. Then they have Ron Artest to throw at him. Houston have three legit 20+ppg scorers in Yao, McGrady and Arttest. Artest is an elite physical small forward who can destroy LA at the three spot. Houston were the best rebounding team in the NBA prior to Yao’s injury last season and they’ll be thereabouts again next year.

There’s only one team in the West that truly scares me in terms of how Houston match up with them and that’s the Utah Jazz. Utah’s perimeter bigs (Okur and Boozer’s ability to step out to 20 feet) make them a very difficult matchup for Yao Ming. Then add the point guard disparity and how well Deron Williams has played against them. Houston can beat Utah but it would be one heck of a battle for them.

I’ve had Houston second in the West since the Artest addition but over the last few weeks I’ve found myself wondering if I’m docking them because of the injury concerns rather than their talent … and I haven’t fully decided yet, but I leaning towards the answer being yes I have and the Rockets are better than I’m giving them credit for being. The Rockets could very well be the beat team in the East.

  • The Los Angeles Lakers are my frontrunner for the West. I expect them to blast their way through the regular season en route to 65+ wins. Andrew Bynum is a huge addition and the Lakers two seven footers will give several teams in the West fits. Kobe Bryant is still the best player in the conference and the Lakers have an excellent supporting cast. Their bench is much improved from last season with Lamar Odom moving to the bench, plus the addition of Powell and the comeback attempt of Chris Mihm (who looked really good in preseason).

They are going to be incredibly difficult to beat in the playoffs. There’s only two teams in the West where I don’t think LA have a huge advantage and that’s Houston and Portland.

by Who on Oct 27, 2008 2:40 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Great reviews, who

I share your opinion about Utah, my favourite team to watch the past couple of years. It’s a shame that a team who is so far ahead of anyone else in the screening technology and has so many talented players can’t improve the defense just a bit enough to be a serious contender.

by cordobes on Oct 27, 2008 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Here’s how I rank the teams in the West:

15. Oklahoma City Thunder. Just plain awful.

14. Denver Nuggets. No defense whatsoever. No offense in the paint.

13. Sacramento Kings. So the success of their season depends on a resurgent John Salmons? Oh dear.

12. Memphis Grizzlies. They might be a little better. Depends on how their young guards develop.

11. Golden State Warriors. No Baron Davis, no Monta Ellis, no playoffs.

10. Los Angeles Clippers. B-Diddy and Thornton are both ballhogs. Camby will help.

9. Minnesota Timberwolves. They’re going to score alot of points and they can defend just well enough. Kevin Love is the real deal. They will be in the playoff hunt.

8. Phoenix Suns. The long decline begins. I can’t think of two players less suited to playing together than Shaquille O’Neal and Steve Nash. Amare Stoudemire is exiting offensively but foul prone.

7. Dallas Mavericks. I wouldn’t be surprised if they miss the playoffs. Rick Carlisle tends to wear out his welcomes, just as the Little General did.

6. Utah Jazz. Well coached but their bench is too short. And what’s with Kirilenko these days?

5. Houston Rockets. Outstanding frontcourt, weak at the pg position. Opposing centers consistently beat Yao up the floor. Also McGrady can’t seem to stay healthy, and Artest is an accident waiting to happen.

4. Los Angeles Lakers. Overrated. Bynum isn’t that good, and even with Odom as the 6th man the bench is weak, particularly defensively.

3. San Antonio Spurs. They will hit their stride when Ginobili returns. Still the best defensive team in the WC.

2. Portland Trail Blazers. Yes, Oden is THAT good. And wait untill you see Rudy Fernandez, who may have been the best player in Europe last year. Nate McMillan is an excellent coach.

1. New Orleans Hornets Their only weakness was a short bench, and they’ve fixed that with Posey and Mike James. If CP3 stays healthy they will win the West.

by Brickowski on Oct 27, 2008 6:25 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Rudy Fernandez

The best player in Europe? Come on Brick, no ACB club would pick him ahead of Splitter or Ilyasova, to name young guys. I like Rudy, he’s a great scorer, a gifted and versatile offensive player, and has been improving every season so far, but he’s still a defensive liability. Aíto hided him in that 1-3-1 zone, but those gimmick don’t work in the NBA. He’s a great gambler, but teams will target him, like they tried to do in Europe. Also, when Rubio physically imploded last season, he didn’t manage to lead the team, their decline was evident. A propos, it causes me some concern that Rudy is always so much better when paired with great floor generals like Rubio and Calderon. When he doesn’t have one of those steady minds playing alongside him, his game becomes too erratic, almost confused. And Roy isn’t that kind of player, neither are Blake or Rodriguez. I think he’s going to be a great scoring punch off the bench, but not much of a factor.

by cordobes on Oct 27, 2008 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Roy isn't that kind of player?

Gotta disagree with that statement. Roy isn’t a PG, but he is a great floor general. Rudy’s a high-risk, high reward kind of player. He’ll have some spectacular games, and some games where his gambling style doesn’t pay off. It’s a risk I’m willing to take.

by hellsfrozenover on Oct 27, 2008 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Denver's defense

was the 10th best in the league last season. I wouldn’t expect such a decline this year.

by cordobes on Oct 27, 2008 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

John Salmons

To explain why I think Salmons is such a big factor, and also why he’s such a large variable (in other words undependable)

Here’s Salmon’s splits from last season as a starter and as a reserve

  • Starter – 41 games played – 38mpg, 17.5ppg, 5.4rpg, 3.5apg, 50% FG%, 39 % from three
  • Bench player – 40 games played – 24mpg, 7.4ppg, 3.2rpg, 1.6apg, 43% FG%, 21 % from three

Salmons is also by far the team’s best individual defender. Their perimeter D is liable to fall off the map (and their interior D won’t bail them out) if Salmons doesn’t perform well.

Which John Salmons shows up will have a massive effect on Sacramento’s season.

Sacramento have impressed me as a collective, rather than their individuals, they play together well and last season got more out of their talent than I expected. Near the end of preseason (when Brad Miller played) they looked a solid side. The biggest problem for them in preseason was their big men, interior defense and rebounding … so after Salmons the next biggest issues are Hawes/Thompson since Miller/Moore are known entities.

by Who on Oct 27, 2008 7:35 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Geez..

That’s an impressive split.

by cordobes on Oct 27, 2008 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not sold on Randy Foye

I thought he was overrated coming out of the draft, and he’s been too injured to prove me wrong. I don’t think he’s going to imporve that team that much. I do believe they’ll be better than last year, but i would give the credit to one year of playing together under that system. And Bassy actually played fairly well last year, remember, he’s a kid who was overhyped in high school and jumped to the NBA, even though he was under 6 ft tall. Kid really does have skills, i think it was more of a confidence issue with him before. I think in a few years, he still has teh potential to be a pretty good starting pg.

by Celtic Justice on Oct 27, 2008 9:49 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Denver’s defense was adequate last year because Camby is a great defender. Without Camby they will be terrible, as they demonstrated in the preseason.

As for Randy Foye, he’s light years ahead of Telfair defensively.

We’ll see about Rudy Fernandez. too. He’ll probably be paired with Sergio Rodriguez, and someone please tell me which NBA team has a better second unit backcourt.

by Brickowski on Oct 27, 2008 12:12 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I don't think anybody here is claiming that Fernandez can't play

There’s plenty of excitement about his coming to the Association, and justly so. All cordobes did was intimate that it may be a bit hyperbolic to assert him as Europe’s best player. I don’t think that’s necessarily any rip on Fernandez if he isn’t the top of the top of the top on his continent.

-sw

by Steve Weinman on Oct 27, 2008 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Exactly

Like I said, he’s a very good offensive player, every season he comes back stronger and better, his game translates well to the NBA (unlike that of better Euroball players, like Siskauskas and Papaloukas), and he certainly was a, I don’t know, top-10 player in Europe last season. However, I think his (superb) game in the Olympics finals and his flashy plays in pre-season games are causing some over-hype.

A Rodriguez-Fernandez backcourt is going to provide some great highlight reels and, if things are going their way, enough scoring (and defensive havoc) in limited minutes to win a game against almost every team. On the other hand, some nights they will also provide lots of ill-advised passes and shot attempts and easy penetrations to the opponents .

by cordobes on Oct 27, 2008 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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