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A No-No-Yes Kind of Opening Night

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Amidst the larger events of an emotional evening at the TD Banknorth Garden, the man who is expected to bear the answers to perhaps the most crucial questions about the Celtics' ability to defend their title had one of those nights.

One of those nights.

He had the type of game that makes us shake our heads, at first in apparent frustration.  Then in rueful bewilderment.  And then simply to level out that grin spreading wide on our faces.

In his first meaningful action as the Celtics' top backup swingman, Tony Allen proved exactly what most players do on opening night: nothing.  But he sure gave us plenty to think about when we were done with the head-shaking and goofy grins.

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No-no-yes.  That's the type of basketball the 6-4 guard from Oklahoma State played on Tuesday night.  He got on the floor, and the shots immediately started going up from all angles.  He drove to the basket with abandon and didn't shy away from heaving up a couple of off-the-mark treys either.

The aggressiveness looked good, but once more, the decision-making seemed suspect.  The threes didn't need to be taken, and as always, it seemed at the outset once more as though any TA drive was a charge or turnover waiting to happen.

But along the way to driving us nuts with another night of missed opportunities and wasted athleticism, a funny thing happened.  Allen didn't do any of that. 

He managed to get it all to click.   How his first take to the basket wound up going in, I'll never know.  It certainly didn't look orthodox.  Twice in a tight game in the fourth quarter, the Tony Allen who in the past would have been hurtling out of control sliced through the paint to draw fouls on Lorenzen Wright while finishing lay-ups.  He followed those up with a beautiful swish on an 8-foot baseline jumper over LeBron James.

In just 17 minutes of play, Allen got himself to the foul line four times.  He put up nine field-goal attempts but hit four of them en route to 11 points and no turnovers.  For the most part, he played tight defense, and it didn't hurt that was finally on the receiving end of a good break when a pass that would have hit a cutting LeBron for a dunk on TA's watch was thrown out of bounds.

It was another night when we could see both potential sides of Tony Allen, but this time around, it was from the perspective of what could have gone wrong and what did go right, rather than the other way around.

Those shots aren't going to fall every night.  He isn't going to get those foul calls every time out.  Because of the fact that, to some extent, TA still simply puts his head down and goes, he is going to face his share of evenings where neither of those positive outcomes is happening, when he isn't hitting his shots or getting to the line.  On those nights, he will look awfully like the TA that frustrated so many of us over the last few years.

But last night, he showed us that it isn't impossible for him to harness the energy and the aggressiveness into hard-nosed, productive basketball.  He gave this team the type of play it desperately needs from its sixth man: an offensive spark and hard work on a big-time scorer defensively. 

For one night, he brought some question to the minds of those who have doubted him, those who believed that his head wasn't in the right place to allow him to play this crucial a role.  That he was a foul-prone, turnover machine who couldn't play this game under control.  The question is how consistent he can be in having this type of night.

I've certainly been among the skeptics at times, especially since it became apparent that Allen would be the de facto sixth man on this team.  But being happy about this beloved team of ours blows the doors off being right for the sake of being right any day of the week.

I hope Tony Allen spends every day of this season making me look like an idiot for ever wondering if he had the wherewithal to do this job in the first place.

How he will be able to balance those "old Tony" nights with what we saw last night remains to be seen, and again, because this can't be stressed enough, one opening-night performance proves nothing.

But Tony Allen sure made a nice first impression in his new role.

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Tony Allen

I was at the game last night. At one point I thought, “I’m still on the Tony Allen bandwagon, but maybe I’m not driving it anymore.” But then he hit a few shots, took it to LeBron, crossed up LeBron (unfortunately did not finish after that), and in general made some noise. And I felt better about him. But that’s essentially what the Tony Allen experience is all about. It’s bewildering.

by Jim Weeks on Oct 29, 2008 3:06 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Bewildering indeed

So I take it I wasn’t alone in simply throwing my hands up in exasperation and smiliing goofily after certain plays last night? Glad they worked out.

How did you enjoy the ceremonies?

How was the actual game atmosphere?

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Manuel Aristides Ramirez is the greatest hitter I've ever seen.

by Steve Weinman on Oct 29, 2008 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Atmosphere

I’ve never been at a game earlier. So I ended being at my seat over 3 and a half hours. But the ceremony itself was spectacular. Paul Pierce’s speech turned into one of those awards show acceptance speeches that never seem like they’ll end. Yet I can’t knock him for being emotional. I was disappointed in how many people left early, even when it wasn’t officially sealed. Great night though. And as a Leon Powe/Tony Allen fan I was pleased.

by Jim Weeks on Oct 29, 2008 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Don't get me started on leaving early...

I’ll never understand it.

I love being at sporting events so much – it’s really difficult to comprehend the idea of ending the experience prior than is necessary. Especially a night like last night. Yikes.

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Manuel Aristides Ramirez is the greatest hitter I've ever seen.

by Steve Weinman on Oct 29, 2008 7:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Seriously, Steve...

… why are you always hating on Tony Allen? ;-)

You won’t hear me being nearly so complimentary towards the guy. I think on 75% of his hoops, “no no yes” turns into “no no dammit, Tony!” the majority of the time. I don’t think he was making good decisions out there, and the fact that some of his line drive chucks at the hoop went in isn’t going to make me into a believer.

All the negativity in this town sucks. It sucks, and it stinks, and it sucks. - Rick Pitino

by Roy_Hobbs on Oct 29, 2008 3:12 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

If the TA Rights groups end up coming after me this time around,

I won’t know what to tell them :-)

I understand what you’re saying there, Roy, and I think that sentiment is echoed through some of the rest of our comments (particularly Nick’s) as well. Part of it is I think that I simply want to believe in Tony, so if he gives us anything, there’s a temptation to take it and run. But as I alluded to in the article and you make clearer here, we’ve got a long way to go before anything is proven.

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Manuel Aristides Ramirez is the greatest hitter I've ever seen.

by Steve Weinman on Oct 29, 2008 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Inclined to agree, Roy. Still a handful of times I’m screaming “no” at the TV and if he’s my guy, I’m going to the bench.

One of those ‘and ones’ against Wright, the one after the offensive rebound, especially.

But overall, he was able to make some of the brain-dead basketball work out.

Still worried MUCH more about the lack of a quality backup 5 and a perimeter shooter to go with House.

by CoachBo on Oct 29, 2008 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It took most of the game for it to hit me

that Leon was the de facto primary backup big and that POB hadn’t been anywhere near the court. Love Leon, of course, but we’ll see what Doc does in situations in which opposing bigs are causing us more trouble with their size.

I know we’re both skeptical about POB, but I think we’ll need to see what we actually get from him (got a whole regular season for that) before we know how much of an issue it is. But definitely something to keep an eye on.

How soon until your season starts, Coach? Did you have to cancel any practices for next week’s trip to see the Celts in person?

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Manuel Aristides Ramirez is the greatest hitter I've ever seen.

by Steve Weinman on Oct 29, 2008 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Too early for a verdict, but a DNP in game one isn’t a vote of confidence. Paddy deserves a shot to actually play like he’s interested – but I’m not a whole season patient. If he’s not making progress in 20 games, get rid of him and let’s get in the market.

Actually, practice doesn’t start until the 15th, so I’m all good with the trip. Happy about that. I was pretty sure the game would occur during my season.

by CoachBo on Oct 29, 2008 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Fair enough

On the same page, as usual.

Wow, I had no idea high school season started that late in the Midwest. That’s the week we started practice when I was in high school on the East Coast, and given our later school year (Sept-June rather than Aug-May), I had thought that the sport seasons were moved up accordingly out in the Midwest. Who knew?

Have you started any open gyms or any sort of optional workouts for the team yet? How good is your conference going to be?

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Manuel Aristides Ramirez is the greatest hitter I've ever seen.

by Steve Weinman on Oct 29, 2008 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

More to come..

I think TA is going to have a fantastic season and despite the awkwardness of a couple of his drives, a healthy TA has always been proficient at drawing contact and finishing at the hoop with a nice “and one.”

TA in inevitably going to have ups and downs, but I truly believe that the 24 win/pre ACL TA is the player that Allen truly is. Having watched him star in college, it isn’t surprising to see his aggressive forays into the paint lead to positive returns.

Overall, I think if he stays healthy he’s going to have some big-time games for this team off the bench and will put himself into the race for 6th man…he’s a player that runs off of emotions and his confidence ebbs and flows with his successes and failures – the more he’s allowed to play to his strengths the more empowered he’ll feel and the better he’ll perform – doubt has always been the principle issue with TA, when he’s unsure of himself he struggles, when he’s confident he excels…TA worked his tail off on ball-handling this off-season and prepped for his role as 6th man – I am excited to see how it plays out…

by BillfromBoston on Oct 29, 2008 3:33 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

It's that last sentence that rings truest for sure
I am excited to see how it plays out.

Especially watching the aggressiveness last night, it’s easy to get caught up in what a weapon this guy can be. Watching him grow, watching the highs and the lows is going to be one of the season’s most intriguing stories for this team, no matter how it plays out.

As you might imagine, I’d love to see your confidence proven right, Bill.

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Manuel Aristides Ramirez is the greatest hitter I've ever seen.

by Steve Weinman on Oct 29, 2008 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Tony Just Being Tony...

without the turn overs. I think Tony will be a major reason for our success or failure to repeat this season. He will certainly have the opportunity to step up this year.

by scndtony on Oct 29, 2008 3:36 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

How he will be able to balance those "old Tony" nights?

A complementary player is a complementary player is a complementary player. Tony must understand this and that the fact that he can dominate a game here and there by making heavily contested shots don’t change it. This situation reminds me a lot of Bonzi Wells in New Orleans last season.

by cordobes on Oct 29, 2008 3:39 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Good point, cordobes

That said, some of the onus there will fall on Doc in the message he sends to TA by who he puts on the floor with him. Interesting analogy to Wells – and that Hornets team had a couple of veterans (Jannero Pargo, anyone?) who really didn’t seem to understand that they weren’t the show. Here’s hoping TA gets past that and to the ‘complementary player’ understanding you mention.

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Manuel Aristides Ramirez is the greatest hitter I've ever seen.

by Steve Weinman on Oct 29, 2008 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

great stuff Steve

I think if Tony can focus on what he does best (defense, driving to the hoop) and minimize what he doesn’t do well (outside shooting) he can be of great value to the bench – I don’t know if I see 6th man potential, but he can be good

as usual consistency will be hard to come by, and focus is a constant concern with him, but I’m happy he’s back

by Jeff Clark on Oct 29, 2008 4:10 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Thanks, Jeff

Like you said, it’s all about playing to his strengths. I’d like to see him refine his defensive play and really limit the silly lunges and the fouls, but there is plenty to work with.

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Manuel Aristides Ramirez is the greatest hitter I've ever seen.

by Steve Weinman on Oct 29, 2008 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Something I hadn't seen before

What I liked was the agressiveness that TA showed coming in off of the bench. In the past, TA is a good player when he starts, when he doesn’t, he’s not. So, last night, even though he came off of the bench, he played more like a starter than he has in years and that was something I hadn’t seen in him before.

by JAM on Oct 29, 2008 4:20 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Interesting point

There’s been a lot of commenting it seems about how much role matters to Tony. He needs to be aware of who is out there with him. Next to Pierce and Ray, he needs to understand that he is a secondary part of the operation, whereas there were times last night with the second unit when he was with personnel that put him in a situation to take charge and try to make things happen on the floor. If his awareness improves, it will be huge for his game overall.

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Manuel Aristides Ramirez is the greatest hitter I've ever seen.

by Steve Weinman on Oct 29, 2008 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, but you wouldn't want another jump shooter.

He’s hard to watch, but it’s nice having someone on the second unit that can attack the basket from the perimeter.

Good job, Steve.

by no kidding on Oct 29, 2008 4:22 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Thanks, no kidding

Always a pleasure to hear from you. And at least it’s easier to watch when the ball goes in at the end, right?

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Manuel Aristides Ramirez is the greatest hitter I've ever seen.

by Steve Weinman on Oct 29, 2008 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Tony’s defense was excellent. On offense he’s obviously bween instructed to take it to the rack, and that’s what he did. It’s not always pretty but it puts alot more pressure on defenses than James Posey’s spot up shooting.

There are no style points in the NBA. This isn’t the And-1 tape mix tour.

by Brickowski on Oct 29, 2008 4:40 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

"There are no style points."

True, but if that’s in regard to my “unorthodox” comment, the point I intended there was that I’m not sure how many line drives you can throw at the hoop from point-blank range and expect them to go in. If he can do it consistently, I’ll buy in, but for now, seeing form that looks awkward will continue to make me nervous.

Certainly, you’ve been a bigger Tony fan than I for some time, Brick, but as I’ve made clear here, I was pleasantly surprised last night.

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Manuel Aristides Ramirez is the greatest hitter I've ever seen.

by Steve Weinman on Oct 29, 2008 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Celtics don't have a true 6th man this year

Depending on the flow of the game, the opponent, and foul trouble, any one of Leon, House or Tony could be the first sub off the bench. The Celts brass has said all along no one player is going to replace Posey, they are going to try to get a little bit of what he brought from a few different guys. All Tony, and Leon and Eddie, have to do, is play their role, and not try to do too much. That has sometimes been hard for TA, but if our bench as a whole, all do their jobs, it will work.

There is no de facto 6th man on this team, so the next game when Eddie has 12 and TA has 2, that won’t be an indictment on the failure of “Posey’s replacement”. What the C’s will need off the bench, will change every night, the beauty of the Celts is their TEAM play, not a collection of individual talents. When Tony is rated as to how he fits into his specific role off the bench, and not as what has become viewed as a 6th starter by many teams who utilize a 6th man, I think you will find his grade to be more than acceptable.

by KJ33 on Oct 29, 2008 4:50 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Point well made, KJ

Although I would say that there is at least a significant burden remaining on TA more because of the role as the primary backup swingman that he shares with last year’s Posey rather than the issue of where he ranks on the bench. With players in Paul and Ray who will need their rest and many top scorers at the swing spots around the league, there are certain things that won’t be able to be handled by House and Powe. But I do agree with the idea that, like with everything else on this team, bench efficacy will have to be a ‘together’ operation.

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Manuel Aristides Ramirez is the greatest hitter I've ever seen.

by Steve Weinman on Oct 29, 2008 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Tony being Tony

Why did he do that kept turning into how did he do that. Don’t know if it was luck or skill or both….but hope it lasts all season, LOL. Tony, you surely made it interesting last night.

by thirstyboots18 on Oct 29, 2008 4:58 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Great phrase
Why did he do that kept turning into how did he do that.

Well played, boots. :-)

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Manuel Aristides Ramirez is the greatest hitter I've ever seen.

by Steve Weinman on Oct 29, 2008 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Reyquila

Afternoon, Steve; Have you forgotten, unless you werent around, when 2 yaers ago TA was our poor man’s Gilebrt Arenas, driving to the basket at will and a scoring machine, when PP was out and TA became our first scoring option? He had taken it to another level, scoring wise until he had that ill advised knee injury. He had the tools and he was using the scoring ones in an almost effortless fashion. I saw that and he was an almost unstoppable scoring machine. So it should not surprise anybody that he may be on his way back to what he was before. He must have lingering fears that anytime he can land on the floor the wrong way and it will be over for him. No way he can just not have that fear.
Eventually, I hope he regains all his confidence and be the player he was once. It will be a pity if he reinjures his knee because he is our most fearless driver to the basket. PP has slowed down a little going to the basket and Rondo is in the learning stages of it. We have no other regular player that can do that. thast why we dont get to the foul line as we should. so only playing time is the best medicine to get TA back to what he was before his bad injury. Im pretty confident he will get there. And once he gets there, he can fill the other Allen’s shoes, cause that other Allens is surely and steadily losing his legs. Ray may have another good year if given the speace to launch his treis, but its looking harder for him as time goes by to get that spacing.. Take care, Steve.

by Reyquila on Oct 29, 2008 5:16 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Rey, I agree that he showed some flashes during that stretch in 06-07

But I think it’s also worth remembering that we’re talking about an approximately month-long stretch in a four-year career. The idea that Tony can attack the basket hard and score in bunches doesn’t surprise me, and I would agree that we saw him at his best from December ‘06 through January ’07 prior to the injury. But we haven’t seen him consistently play mentally sound basketball, and we’ve never really figured out how much of his explosiveness had been recovered since the surgery. No doubt last night looked like a step in the right direction.

Looking forward to seeing if TA can keep his head about him on the floor this year. If he can, I’ll be thrilled to see it, and I’ll sing his praises to no end.

Always great to hear from you, Rey.

-sw

Manuel Aristides Ramirez is the greatest hitter I've ever seen.

by Steve Weinman on Oct 29, 2008 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The problem I have with Tony is his lack of an outside shot. We have plenty of players that can drive to the hoop (Pierce, Ray, Walker, Rondo, Giddens), what we lack is an outside threat to spread the floor.

I think that we have a problem with a lineup of Rondo and Tony at guard, and I don´t think that we´ll see this pairing too often. So it´s either Rondo/Ray, Rondo/House or House/Tony and Tony/Ray, and I don´t like Tony or House at PG. This makes us predictable, and probably forces us to play the three amigos more than we`d want, and has other various side effects (Tony`s/House` lack of a good handle, for example).

Additionally, color me unimpressed with yesterday`s offensive performance. He was lucky that two of his shots went in, and I want to see him doing this on a regular basis before I call him a legit 6th man.

I wish him (us) all the best, though…

by Casperian on Oct 29, 2008 6:01 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Not buying into TA just yet!

As always, Steve, well written article and as always sometimes we agree and sometimes we don’t. I agree Tony showed both the best and the worst of Tony Allen last night but i don’t agree with the optimism that you seem to display.

The Tony I saw in the first half was bad. His defense against Gibson and West wasn’t good and his shot selection was forced and/or horrible. In the second half he got a coiuple of extremely difficult to make, line drive bricks to drop and suddenly his confidence returned and his defense improved immensely.

The guy hit 4 shots and three of them were line drive, how the hell did that go in, lucky to drop shots. If he misses that first shot in the second half we could easily be talking about what a horrid night Tony Allen had.

I was glad he provided a spark in that second half but what I want from Tony is consistency on both sides of the ball. Not everyone will have their shots dropping every night but I don’t want missed shots effecting his defense, which after all these years, still happens. I believe last night is what we will always see from Allen. No consistency, sometimes poor decision making, sometimes bad handle, sometimes turnover machine sometimes letting bad luck effect his whole game. That’s what he is and that’s why I didn’t want him back.

by nickagneta on Oct 29, 2008 6:12 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Thanks, Nick

for a great counterpoint to what I wrote (and a good complement to Roy’s comments in particular). Definitely a valid second perspective from which to view last night’s performance. Again, I’ll admit as much as anybody getting caught up in opening night and wanting to take anything that went well and make the most I could out of it. But as I alluded to a bit more softly in the column, if it’s going to be the line drive fling attempt with regularity, how well can we expect Tony to shoot on those? And how do we react if he goes 0-for-3 on those instead of 3-for-3? You’ve hit the nail on the head in that regard.

Let’s just hope he keeps finding a way to get the results to work for us…

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Manuel Aristides Ramirez is the greatest hitter I've ever seen.

by Steve Weinman on Oct 29, 2008 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Don't get me wrong...

now that he is here for a while I really, really want to be 100% wrong about Tony and where his game will head. I do, I really do. But paraphrasing a famous coach that also coaches in Boston, Tony is what he is and I don’t think that will change. It hasn’t in the entire time he has been here.

The main responsibility for how he plays will rest ultimately with him but Doc will have a large say in how well he does this year. Tony is the opitomy of a guy that has to have confidence to succeed. Tony needs minutes and long stretches and confidence he won’t be pulled right away to produce. If he has a bad spell and Doc benches him for a while he could lose Tony for a long time. Doc might just have to suffer through Tony’s ups and downs, no matter how self inflicted they are due to poor decision making, to maximize Tony’s contributions to this team.

Let’s hope this assessment is wrong but I won’t be one of the guys lauding praise his way until I see some consistency with production.

BTW, go rewatch the first half and focus on Tony’s defense. It wasn’t good. Now in the second half he was very good. Strange considering that he played West so much in practice and that Gibson isn’t what one would call lightening fast to the point of giving Tony problems and compound that with the fact that if there was a guy on the Cavs who might have his way with Tony it would be LeBron, the guy Tony guarded primarily in the second half.

by nickagneta on Oct 29, 2008 9:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Quick addendum...

I do think he was better defensively than you gave him credit for though.

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Manuel Aristides Ramirez is the greatest hitter I've ever seen.

by Steve Weinman on Oct 29, 2008 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

tony is no posey, won’t replace him, but does a lot of things. he brought the ball up often when he was in and got the offense started. his defense was admirable and he was up and down with his o but he put some life into the second team. would have liked to have seen the ball go more to ray, but he contributed to the win and it was a big win.

by nazzbo on Oct 29, 2008 6:25 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

hey! a nazzbo sighting...

been without ya too much, good fella. Hope all is going well on your end and that we can get the Monta Wagon cranked up again come December.

Agreed on all your comments about TA.

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Manuel Aristides Ramirez is the greatest hitter I've ever seen.

by Steve Weinman on Oct 29, 2008 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

will someone please...

teach steve how to write a lead. you should say what you’re going to talk about for the rest of the article in the first sentence. this makes the reader want to keep reading. cut the vague language. look at how they do it in the newspaper – that’ll help.

by kitcarruthers on Oct 29, 2008 7:03 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Thanks, kit

The constructive criticism is much appreciated. I certainly take my share of circuitous word routes at times…good to know the beginnings of my work haven’t been working for you. I’ll keep it in mind.

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Manuel Aristides Ramirez is the greatest hitter I've ever seen.

by Steve Weinman on Oct 29, 2008 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Considering the circumstances...

of all the emotions last night with the raising of banner 18 I think everyone including Tony Allen should get a free pass last night in evaluating their performance. Yes PP played very well but not everyone handles an emotional night like that the same way. TA might have forced some shots but he might have been instructed to be very aggressive when Wally was guarding him. I remember both Powe and TA were very aggressive when Wally no world defense was guarding them. I for one will take the good with the bad as I want him to draw fouls on the opponents and make defenders really have to work with the second unit. Lastly no turnovers in 17 minutes has to be encouraging and keep in mind those 17 minutes mirrors about what he averaged last year. So maybe he can turn the corner and learn to be more effective in short stints rather needing extended playing time to be effective. However again it’s 1 game on opening night and I’d like to give him about a 20 game sample to see what we really have going with him.

by JBcat on Oct 29, 2008 9:30 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Ah, JBcat, I fear you may not be thrilled with tomorrow's Babble,

in which we highlight both the invigorating and the agitating from Tuesday’s performance. But your points about Tony are fair (and I’d like to think I gave him the benefit of the doubt for last night’s performance throughout this piece), and I’m looking forward to seeing what we get from him through the rest of the season. Next test comes up Friday night versus the Bulls…we’ll see if he’s asked to guard Ben Gordon at all, a rare instance of a high-scoring swingman over whom TA has a size advantage…

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Manuel Aristides Ramirez is the greatest hitter I've ever seen.

by Steve Weinman on Oct 29, 2008 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Love your writing

Steve,
I am an avid reader of the blog and I have thoroughly enjoyed reading your write-ups (particularly during the playoffs). I feel guilty for not having acknowledged.
After every game, you provide articulation and closure for my thoughts unlike any other writer. I am sure many of your readers feel this way.
You may not dangle a carrot in the first sentence, but you provide a hearty, fulfilling carrot soup that only gets better as we read on. Please keep it coming!

by ubuntu on Oct 29, 2008 9:55 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Thank you, ubuntu

I really appreciate the kind words, and I’m thrilled to hear that you enjoy my work as much as you do. No worries at all about having not written in earlier, although your comments are always welcome. Thanks again.

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Manuel Aristides Ramirez is the greatest hitter I've ever seen.

by Steve Weinman on Oct 29, 2008 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Funny thing...

It’s quite funny that everyone is micro-analyzing TA, who had a decent game last night, but very few are commenting on Eddie House, who was horrible just because he has become a fan favorite. House should be under a microscope just as TA is… even more so.

TA was once again last night forced to play some PG, when the plan was to have him play strictly SG and some SF, because House reverted to his old self. One that doesn’t distribute the ball well and has trouble bringing the ball up. During preseason House seemed much better bringing the ball up, but I thought he wasn’t distributing the ball well… so this game was a continuation. Better shooting would’ve made it all better though (as always).

I love both guys, but I find it quite curious that there’s all this crap about TA going around and no one (well few people) is talking about how crappy House played.

by BudweiserCeltic on Oct 29, 2008 10:07 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I am absolutely, unabashedly

guilty as charged.

Very interesting analysis, Budweiser. House is a fan favorite, and I’ll admit that I love him as much as anyone and tend to be too gentle in judging his free-shooting ways. I didn’t think he was horrific bringing the ball up last night though the one turnover against the double-team looked ugly, but certainly, the shooting touch wasn’t there. As far as the shots he was taking, though, I have no problem. For the most part, they were open looks from the outside, and unlike TA, this is a guy who has made a career as a gunner from there. Some nights, he’ll miss (just like a lot of the Cavs shooters did with open looks), but I thought that when he was on the floor, the Celts did a good job of getting him makeable shots that he simply didn’t make. Also committed one terrible and-one foul underneath.

That said, you’re right: We haven’t called as much attention to that since last night’s game, and I wouldn’t be shocked if your reasoning behind it was fairly accurate, though I’m not sure I agree that he should be under ‘more’ of a microscope than TA was. Job well done keeping us honest on that one.

-sw

Manuel Aristides Ramirez is the greatest hitter I've ever seen.

by Steve Weinman on Oct 29, 2008 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

...

Just trying to keep discussions and perspectives honest :p

Anyways, Eddie only had that one turnover, but it was very evident that he was having trouble bringing the ball down. Heck during a stretch, with House on the floor, it was TA bringing the ball down… so even if House didn’t cause turnovers, the damage was already done by having TA playing out of position once again, something that they have said to want to avoid.

But even with his free-shooting ways, just as TA was problem in the second quarter for doing his thing and stopping the ball movement, Eddie was just as guilty.

Powe is very guilty of this too… once he touches the ball he rarely passes it. But I’m fine with it, just as I’m fine with how TA is aggressive because both get fouled a ton. But with that said, our wings need to move the ball better. They did this in the second half. Funny thing is that during the 2nd quarter, Ray was the only one moving the ball, when he should’ve been more selfish. But as I mentioned in the forums, the whole system was broken down… no one was thinking about teamwork, so I can’t put too much stock on it being a problem for TA as it was a problem with the whole unit. At least he didn’t turn the ball over (and he played quite a few minutes as a PG).

by BudweiserCeltic on Oct 29, 2008 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Reyquila

My take on Eddie is that if and when we use him as a pg, he is not going to be the shooter he can be when he only has to look and find a spot from where he can shoot it. As a pg his mind has to be first, to distribute the ball and then look for his shot as his second option. He wont score much when he has this role. I cannot be the only one that thinks this way so Doc, will use him either as a scorer or as a pg depending on match-ups and the guys he plays with. When he need his scoring, I suppose he will play with another PG and just look to get hois shot from where he is comfortable. Comfortable? well, havent seen a spot on the floor in which he wasnt comfortable shooting the ball. lolol . I just dont think he can be at his best shooting the ball when he is the PG. Too much to ask from him.

With respect to TA, I hope he is never told to guard a 3 point smart player at end of game cause he will foul him. I dont think he is smart enough to avoid being conned into fouling his man. That said, He is still traying to get back to that form he showed 2 yaers ago. Maybe he will, maybe he wont. I agree some shots that went in last night went in by the grace of God. Im not blind, I know he made some lucky shots. What I like about him is that apparently he is no longer scared of his bionic leg and is making huge strides in returning to attack the basket with abandon. That is his forte. I dont agree that we have such a big number of players that easily drive to the basket. I thee Ray Allen has lost a step or 2 in that phase of his game. Besides, Im sure he is taking a little more care of himself by avoiding hard contact. At his age, injuries just take a little more time to recover from. He better be doing this.

by Reyquila on Oct 29, 2008 10:27 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

By next season Tony will have a higher scoring average than Ray Allen.

by footey on Oct 30, 2008 9:26 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

TA

Don’t make any assumptions about TA from opening night. Forget about the past. TA’s main problem now is that he goes too fast. Doc has been working with him on slowing things down so as to let his mind catch up with his body. He did this well in pre-season. On opening nite I’m sure the emotions got to him early on as it did to many of the C’s. Doc reminded him to slow down and TA’s performance improved. As TA lets this become habit he will be better and consistent and a big part of this team. We’ll know when Tony’s reached this point when Doc stops talking to him.

by TrueGreen on Oct 30, 2008 9:43 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

The problem I have with Tony is his lack of an outside shot. We have plenty of players that can drive to the hoop (Pierce, Ray, Walker, Rondo, Giddens), what we lack is an outside threat to spread the floor.

Actually, if you say that Ray, Walker, or Giddens can drive, then you can easily say that Tony Allen can shoot. His shot compares exactly to Ray’s driving: unspectacular but serviceable.

Don’t expect TA to shoot in the mid-.400s from the three, but I don’t think people give him enough credit for his mid-range shot.

by kozlodoev on Oct 30, 2008 1:03 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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